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Elliot's Trackside Diner..DECEMBER, 2013!!!

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Posted by JeremyB on Friday, December 27, 2013 6:02 PM

Good to see you Dennis,

I had plans of a huge home layout also and then started to do what your doing, thinking of the associated headaches. I have a small 2X10 switching layout and for me I enjoy it alot. I would love a big layout and the guys that can build them are insprational but for me I enjoy a small layout.

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Posted by rdgk1se3019 on Friday, December 27, 2013 7:10 PM

Hey all,

Happy X-mas, merry new year......and all the rest of that stuff.......

A question.......when you sign off of this new "updated" site do any of you get a "error 404 not found" thingy?........because I do.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, December 27, 2013 7:21 PM

rdgk1se3019
A question.......when you sign off of this new "updated" site do any of you get a "error 404 not found" thingy?........because I do.

Every time! There's two ways you can log out. #1 Clear your cookies/history. You can log out then. #2 Go to the Classic Toy Trains forum. They still have the old software. You can log out there.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, December 27, 2013 8:17 PM

Good evening .....

Looks like people had a good Christmas, and I'm glad for that. We have returned from Alabama, and had some good visits there. Stayed too long to stop in Tennessee on the way back to see family there, and that means we will made a trip to Nashville a few days later. .... The Ohio family is driving here as I type and will arrive later this evening. ... So I'll continue being busy with family. 

Oh, oh .... Watch out for Vinnie. Another controversial topic was discussed in the Diner. Tsk, tsk..... Actually, I have no idea why there is controversy about one of the guys on Duck Dynasty (while not on the show) explainig his understanding of Scripture in spite of his chosing to use words that are not viewed as acceptable by some. ... I only saw the TV show one time out of curiosity, and my opinion is we should have more shows with Christian values as portrayed in this TV show. Too many other TV shows condone sinful behavior in my opinion. ... That said, I will prefer working on the layout over watching the show. 

I did receive a small gift for my HO layout for Christmas, and I will show you what it is when I have time. 

Prayers continue for JohnBoy. 

Happy Model Railroading 

 

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, December 27, 2013 10:05 PM

I'd be surprised if anyone picked up on something about my computer related photo I posted earlier today. It would take someone who knows the history of the Apple IIe computer to spot it and even they would have to be looking sharp. It a 1982 mother board. In about the middle of the photo there's a very legible number. Look above that number at the dark green area and you'll see a barely legible lighter green number with a letter after it. That letter is an 'A'. It's an early 'Revision A' motherboard. These 'A' boards nearly killed the IIe before it got started. At the time of the introduction of the IIe and into the first months of it's production, the 'revision A' board was factory equipment in all the IIe's. The graphics modes were identical and limited to those used by the Apple II+ before it. Maybe comparable to a modern model loco produced with a motor that was used in 1970? The logic board was not compatible with the ROM firmware update that came out later and most of the newer expansion cards didn't work with this board. This would be akin to building a color TV that shows only black and white and doesn't support the new technology. Apple changed out many of these boards with a 'Revision B' motherboard at no charge. This one was never changed. It's my mothers old IIe. I made some adaptations to it so it could use some of the later expansion cards with little or no trouble. My old IIe that I got back in 82-83 (the black one I have at home) also had a 'Revision A' motherboard but it was changed out with a 'Revision B' board later. The computer in my room here at my fathers place that I'm using to write 'Native Fury' is an 'Enhanced' IIe (or //e) that came out in 1985 and didn't have anything to do with the 'Revision A' fiasco. It came from a school up north and needed work so I rebuilt it with parts I bought on Ebay.

Time for me to call it a night. See y'all later.





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Posted by galaxy on Saturday, December 28, 2013 3:26 AM

morning coffee in the diner...

GOOD SATURDAY MORNING!

Today is Saturday,

December 28th, 2013!

It's the 362nd day of the year 2013, and there are only 3 more days left!

 

Scot Free:

Meaning: Without incurring payment; or escaping without punishment.

Origin:

Dred Scott was a black slave born in Virginia, USA in 1799. In several celebrated court cases, right up to the USA Supreme Court in 1857, he attempted to gain his freedom. These cases all failed but Scott was later made a free man by his so-called owners, the Blow family. Knowing this, we might feel that we don't need to look further for the origin of 'scott free'. Many people, especially in the USA, are convinced that the phrase originated with the story of Dred Scott.

The etymology of this phrase shows the danger of trying to prove a case on circumstantial evidence alone. In fact, the phrase isn't 'scott free', it is 'scot free' and it has nothing to do with Mr. Scott.

Given the reputation of Scotsmen as being careful with their money we might look to Scotland for the origin of 'scot free'. Wrong again, but at least we are in the right part of the world now. 'Skat' is a Scandinavian word for tax or payment and the word migrated to Britain and mutated into 'scot' as the name of a redistributive taxation, levied as early the 10th century as a form of municipal poor relief.

'Scot' as a term for tax has been used since then in various forms - Church scot, Rome scot, Soul scot and so on. Whatever the tax, the phrase 'getting off scot free' simply refers to not paying one's taxes.

Scot freeNo one likes paying tax and people have been getting off scot free since at least the 11th century. The first reference in print to 'scot free' is in the Writ of Edward the Confessor. We don't have a precise date for the writ but Edward died in 1066, which is a long time before Dred Scott.

The use of the figurative version of the phrase, that is, one where no actual scot tax was paid but in which someone escapes custody, began in the 16th century, as in this example from John Maplet's natural history Green Forest, 1567:

"Daniell scaped scotchfree by Gods prouidence."

'Scotchfree' was a variant based on a mishearing. An example of the currently used form, that is, 'scot free', comes a few years later, in Robert Greene's The Historie of Dorastus and Fawnia, 1588:

These and the like considerations something daunted Pandosto his courage, so that hee was content rather to put up a manifest injurie with peace, then hunt after revenge, dishonor and losse; determining since Egistus had escaped scot-free.

 

        MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!

Special thoughts and prayers for those in need, including Johnboy-out, Jeremy and others who need our healing energies directed towards them.

 

Geeked

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Posted by galaxy on Saturday, December 28, 2013 3:31 AM

Sir Madog

Good Evening GAng!

I finally got around doing some MRRing today! Nothing really fancy, but I started to w*rk on that cardboard mock-up for the lil´ critter I have been pesting you folks with the last couple of weeks. It is far from being finished - there is quite some more detail to be added, but this is a sneak preview of what it looks lie after about 8 hours of blood, sweat and tears:

... and herecompared to that On30 critter:

G scale is quite big, isn´t it?

Make it a great day!

 

 
Ulrich: That is a great cardboard mock-up. Now if you only had a G guage motor truck to put under it, you could run it 'round the track!
Love the straw for exhaust pipe! It'll melt in the heat of the exhaust, too bad! {LOL}
 
Have fun with it....
Geeked

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:02 AM

Good Morning Folks!

A wet day, temperatures are at 6°C - exactly what we call "Schietwedder"!

I went to alittle hardware shop that had survived so many years, successfully fighting the fierce competition of the many DIY nstores around us, only to find it has closed for good. It was one of those places where you could buy a single washer for My 2 Cents. It´s a pity it is gone. Where do I buy 1mm brass rod now, without being charged a fortune for postage?

Angry

Galaxy - it´s just a mock-up to verify the dimensions. Of, course I want it to look good, afterall I have invested a considerable amount of time and money (about 50 cents) into it. I could use that streetcar drive I have to power it. It´s intended to be Gn15, meaning 15" gauge in G scale, that equates to HO gauge for the track.

Will be off to my friend´s place this afternoon to add some more details to the critter, i.e. the lamps ( 6 mm aluminum tubing), air intake box (4 mm aluminum tube and a 3 mm piece of plasic, turnedon a lathe). Should he have some brass 1 mm brass rods he can spare, I´ll be able to add the hand rails.

Make it a great day!

P.S. The candle for Johnboy remains lit!

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:52 AM

galaxy

Scot Free:

Meaning: Without incurring payment; or escaping without punishmenti 

Galaxy:  I enjoy your "Good Morning" posts.  I learn something new every day.  Thank you.

Richard

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:54 AM

Good morning. It's 42° with 80% humidity and light rain. The high will be 55° and feel like 58°.
 with

This morning I did some work with the SDFloppy ][. I now have sixteen 5.25" diskettes copied to an SD card starting with the DOS 3.3 System Master. I then used the System Master to initialize directories 1 thru F so they now have the DOS image. The computer can be cold booted and start with DOS 3.3 from any directory on the card with the exception of 7 and A. Directory 7 is CP/m and will start and run under the Z80 coprocessor. Directory A is ProDOS and will start and run in that language under the G65SC02 processor on my //e or under the 6502 processor on either of my older IIe's. I no longer have to have a system diskette in one of the disk drives. The system will boot and run normally from the 0 (zero) directory of the SDFloppy ][. This morning I played an entire game of Starfleet1 solely from the SDFloppy ][ with only a blank data diskette in the drive at slot 6, drive 1. If I had this thing connected to slot 6 I wouldn't even need that! It felt good not having to change diskettes every time the program needed something from the other diskette. All I had to do was press a button to change directories. Something else that's nice is that I can copy directly from the SD card to a floppy diskette and the copy will have all the DOS support of the original and run just like the original. From what I can gather from the SD card that was supplied with the unit the programming that runs it was likely done on a Bulgarian Pravetz computer, their version of an Apple IIc clone. Whoever designed the SDFloppy unit is either a genius or one of the luckiest sad sack programmers around. I set up the SD card in MS-DOS then put it in the SDFloppy unit and my ancient Apple computer can write to and read from the card like it's an Apple hard drive. That's impressive! No, that's brilliant! That trumps my claim to fame of getting an Apple computer to communicate back to back and share programs without a modem with a Panasonic IBM XT clone back in 1985.

One of these days I'll get back home and I'll be able to talk about model railroad projects again. I can't do any of that down here without getting griped at about it. The sooner I can get back home the better.





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Posted by TMarsh on Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:36 AM

 

Good Morning!!!

 

 

 

Coffee and some of those sticky caramel roll things please. Thank you.
 
I've been coming in on Chrome since the big change due to me not being able to log in under IE. Today I decided to try IE again and behold here I am. We'll see if the log out issue plagues me as well later. 

 

 

 

Sunny, with a high near 53. Tomorrow is 19 and Monday is 14. No wonder people are sick.

 

 

 

V8 Dennis- Well, I assume you were referring to my recounting of what a “friend” of mine said. Let’s just say I was quoting what someone said about the retaliation to what Phil Robertson said in that magazine and how the most outspoken and demanding people on freedom of speech and tolerance of views, are usually the most restrictive and least tolerant of what others say or do if it contradicts what they think or feel. Due to what he was talking about when he made the statement, I hesitate to explain any more because it probably would dip a bit far into religious stuff and maybe a bit much for the moderators to  accept as just a passing comment.

 

 

 

As I re-read my post Dennis was referring to, I think I’ll just delete his comment because, well, because someone may stop in and feel…Confused Uncomfortable …, with it.

 

 

 

Jeff- Though I do admit much of what you say about computers just kinda flitters around in my head looking for something I can understand before it flies out, I still like hearing about what you’re doing.

 

 

 

Not sure what will happen today, but with the weather as warm as it is supposed to be I should do something outside. Notice I said should.  WhistlingLaugh  

 

Ya’ll have a good day, ya hear!!!!
 
P.S. Garry-  Pardon me if thingssound a bit jumbled and out of whack making little sense. It's been a week since I've had Chinese food and I think I'm getting weak.WinkLaugh

 

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I'm a small town boy. A product of two people from even smaller towns. I don’t talk on topic….. I just talk. Laugh

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Posted by TMarsh on Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:48 AM

  Well, I see they got the spacing issue resolved.Indifferent

Glad to see you're home and doin fine as can be expected Inch. Now, as long as the young'uns can stay out of Pawpaw's lap....Crying

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:02 AM

Mornin' everyone!

Zoe, I'll hqave a short stack of buttermilk pancakes, NYS Maple Syrup, bacon, and some dark roast coffee in my FGLK Mug please.

Today is supposed to be "Partly" here in the Finger Lakes.  Partly what, they haven't said.  Right now it is dark gray and gloomy outside with the temp around 41°F.  Would be nice if the big yellow thing would show up as I could sure use some kWh from the roof....  Only made about 60 kWh so far in December.  December is the lowest month of the year, but I was hoping to get about 100 kWh.  Aint gonna happen I guess.

I have a couple of errands to run today, and then I will be getting my laundry done and spend some quality time with the Layout.  May get the last side of the Blacksmith's shop done by the end of the day.

I had a long post all set to put up last night when I moved the mouse and it disappeared....  Hope this one goes through OK.  This new version of the site is the worst they have ever done.  I still hate the mouseover pull down that blocks my being able to refresh the page witout moving the pointer about 6 inches on my screen! total PITA!

Catch you all later!

73

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:38 PM

Good Evening!

Janie, I am hungry, so I´ll go for a Barry-sized burger with all the works and a cold Beer, please.

The visit to my friend´s place was quite successful. He still had 1.5 mm brass rod in his never enhding stock of bits and pieces, of which I was able to borrow a few iches. The cardboard loco now sports handrails, lamp casing, door handles and and an air intake with cap. I also gave it a coat of white primer to get rid of that cardboard look. There is not much left to do, just "print" the windows and loos and glue them to the body. I will do that tomorrow.

The paint is still not completely dry, so here is just another sneak preview:

The picture is pretty bad - I will make better ones once the mock-up is finished.

Ray - I am looking forward to seeing new pictures of your blacksmith´s shop. I could never do something like it. MY eyes are getting breally bad these days - I need new glasses, but there is no way I can afford them. My vision is pretty bad, so a pair of glasses runs into about$ 1,000 - just for the glasses, without the frame.

Well, sofa time is coming up - CU tomorrow!

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Posted by crhostler61 on Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:23 PM

Hello to all from northern Nevada

Turned out to be a nice sunny day with a cloudless blue sky. Still 28 degrees though. Hot coffee is always a good deal. Winding down my 5 day holiday weekend and relutantly getting set to return to work tomorrow afternoon. Didn't get done nearly what I had hoped on the railroad in these 5 days...still dragging. Between my employer beating me and still going rounds with a respiratory crud...just might try to get New Years day off as a vacation day. I'll have to find out what vac time I have when I get to anti-heaven (Uh...work) tomorrow afternoon.

Have a good one all

Mark H

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Posted by galaxy on Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:32 PM

Welcome Mark H/crhostler61!

We don't use four-letter words here in the diner! W*rk and Sn*w are two of them!

We don't use them for obvious reasons and you pointed out some!

MOH {My Other Half} has New Years off, but only day all week for 2 j*bs...

I am "retired"...but I have more things to do and more W*rk now that I "have nothing to do"!

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY! YOU CAN DO IT!

Geeked

 

 

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Posted by JeremyB on Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:42 PM

Hi Guys,

How is everyone today? warmed up a bit today and even calling for some rain tomorrow before we go back to a deep freeze.

Built two freight car kits that I picked up at the hobby shop yesterday, also have four more coming for me this week from a shop I buy from, just didnt feel like the 2 hour drive to get them. They might be here by Tuesday if not should be here on Thursday.

Has anybody heard from Ken lately? He hasnt been on since the summer has he? Well Im going to go watch the hockey game and flip through some model railroader.

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Posted by kbkchooch on Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:27 PM

Good evening guys

Not much goin on here today, kinda takin it easy after yesterdays running. Seems SWMBO got a whole bunch of gift cards for Christmas, so it was off to the after Christmas sales yesterday! Guess who drove and carried packages???

But we had fun. Today I fixed,,,,actually more like resurected a Mantua 0-4-0 from the ashes.  New boiler coming soon, but the chassis was stripped, degreased, repainted, and all the electrical was redone. Still ran bad, till I found a bad connection where the brush holder fits to the top of the motor, fixed that now it runs great! Spent the rest of the day teasing the younger cat with an indoor helicopter SWMBO gave me. Between battery rechargings I got out an R/C Challenger RT and chased her around the basement with it!

Ulrich. Cardboard mock up?? I am impressed! Love to see it in styrene with a power truck under it!

Well, the recharger light just went off on the chopper,,,,here kitty kitty!!Wink

Karl

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:49 PM

Well this afternoon I hooked the SDFloppy ][ to the drive 1 position on the slot 6 drive card. Why didn't I do that before? Now when I turn the computer on here's no annoying drive chatter. Just a beep then it boots from the SD card in the SDFloppy unit. I've copied much of my software to three SD cards and I've printed lists of what's on all three. Earlier this evening I played an entire game of Starfleet1 and never once did I have to even have to touch a diskette. I only had to press a button to switch from side 1 of the game to side 2 and vice versa. The game went quite well and I did win but I didn't get enough percentage points to be promoted. I'm still a Vice-Admiral. I gave Lode-Runner a try. It can be controlled via the keyboard but it would be so much easier with a joystick. Maybe someday I'll get one. There are other games I'd like to get when/if I can. Skyfox, Batman, Zaxxon, Defender, Deep Space, Zork Beyond (already have 1,2,and 3. Don't care for zero), ZorkQuest, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Flight Simulator II.

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:48 PM

Evenin' folks,

Janie, just a refill on my decaf please.

I actually got to get stuff done down in the train room today!!!  YES!  I finished glueing together the iupper door for the Blacksmiths shop, painted the door and the window for that wall.  After the paint dried I weathered it with a darker gray (Dry Brush).  Made the window panes for the door in another wall (Testors plastic glue and window maker), glued the door and the window in place on that wall.  All I have left on the walls is to glue the last two items in the last wall.  Then I can start to glue the walls into the Octagon they will make.  Photos by tomorrow night (I hope).  I also put down some ties on the roadbed I put in place earlier this week.  Since I ran out of ties, I made a couple hundred more and stained about half of them with the dark "Creosote" stain I use.  I hope January and February will give me some quality time to get a lot of items done down there.  Oh, I also got 5 loads of wash done!  It's been piling up for a couple weeks I guess...

Karl

I bet this little kittie could take the Helicopter down with one good jump from about 15 feet away...

He was checking out the candles when my sister lit them yesterday:

Couple of my favorite two little girls.  Granddaughter #1 in a toy that opens up and closes down my sister got for them from the Metropliton Museum in NYC:

Granddaughter #2 looking out from the same toy after it closed down...  The toy will stay open, but if dropped it completely closes down into a ball.  They can make it any size they choose and do all sorts of neat things with it.  They were both fascinated with it.

"Peace on Earth to Those of Good Will"

73

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:02 PM

Earlier this evening I got tired of having to hold the SDFloppy unit pinned down while I changed out the SD card in it. So I took the little rubber feet off it, applied a 1/8" diameter spot of Go2Glue to the bottom and stuck it down on top of a dead disk drive that's helping hold the flat screen video monitor up. Now I can change the SD card one handed as it can't slide around. Eventually that dead drive will be moved out of there and replaced with a Lobo Drive that I have (a second one). That drive too is dead but I'm rebuilding it and it will run all the different types Apple software I have just as the good Lobo Drive I have does. When that dead drive is moved I need to be able to get the SDFloppy unit off it and that's where the Go2Glue comes in. It stays flexible and can be easily removed.

Time for me to call it a night. See y'all tomorrow.





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Posted by galaxy on Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:30 PM

jeffrey-wimberly

Earlier this evening I got tired of having to hold the SDFloppy unit pinned down while I changed out the SD card in it. So I took the little rubber feet off it, applied a 1/8" diameter spot of Go2Glue to the bottom and stuck it down on top of a dead disk drive that's helping hold the flat screen video monitor up. Now I can change the SD card one handed as it can't slide around. Eventually that dead drive will be moved out of there and replaced with a Lobo Drive that I have (a second one). That drive too is dead but I'm rebuilding it and it will run all the different types Apple software I have just as the good Lobo Drive I have does. When that dead drive is moved I need to be able to get the SDFloppy unit off it and that's where the Go2Glue comes in. It stays flexible and can be easily removed.

One word, Jeffrey:

V-E-L-C-R-O!

Does wonders at holding things in place but alows them to be removed/moved!

Geeked

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:22 AM

galaxy
One word, Jeffrey: V-E-L-C-R-O! Does wonders at holding things in place but alows them to be removed/moved!

Good suggestion but I already tried it. It was rather disappointing.Crying The ancient floppy drive has a somewhat rough 'textured' surface and the Velcros adhesive didn't like itIck!. Over the course of a few hours it would release but continue to 'look' like it was still stuck in place. When I tried removing the SD card the SDFloppy unit, Velcro and all easily lifted off the disk drives surfaceSuper Angry. I'll check the Go2Glue tomorrow and see if it's faring any better. If it turns loose that could really louse up my day!Dead

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Posted by galaxy on Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:23 AM

morning coffee in the diner...

GOOD SUNDAY MORNING!

Today is Sunday,

December 29th, 2013!

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO!

Special thoughts and prayers for those in need, and for world peace.

Are you 'barking up the wrong tree'? or maybe 'beating around the bush'?

Meaning:'barking up the worng tree:

Making a mistake or a false assumption in something you are trying to achieve 

 

the allusion is to hunting dogs barking at the bottom of trees where they mistakenly think their quarry is hiding.

The earliest known printed citation is in James Kirke Paulding's Westward Ho!, 1832:

"Here he made a note in his book, and I begun to smoke him for one of those fellows that drive a sort of a trade of making books about old Kentuck and the western country: so I thought I'd set him barking up the wrong tree a little, and I told him some stories that were enough to set the Mississippi a-fire; but he put them all down in his book."

The phrase must have caught on in the USA quickly after Hall's book. It appeared in several American newspapers throughout the 1830s; for example, this piece from the Gettysburg newspaper The Adams Sentinel, March 1834:

"Gineral you are barkin' up the wrong tree this time, for I jest see that rackoon jump to the next tree, and afore this he is a mile off in the woods.

 

'beating around the bush':

Meaning:  To prevaricate and avoid coming to the point.

Origin:

 

The figurative meaning of the odd phrase 'beat around the bush' or, as it is usually expressed in the UK, 'beat about the bush', evolved from the earlier literal meaning. In bird hunts some of the participants roused the birds by beating the bushes and enabling others, to use a much later phrase, to 'cut to the chase' and catch the quarry in nets. So 'beating about the bush' was the preamble to the main event, which was the capturing of the birds. Of course, grouse hunting and other forms of hunt still use beaters today.

 

The phrase is old and first appears in the mediaeval poem Generydes - A Romance in Seven-line Stanzas, circa 1440:

 

Butt as it hath be sayde full long agoo,
Some bete the bussh and some the byrdes take.

 

The poem is anonymous and exists only as a single handwritten manuscript in the library of Trinity College, Cambridge, the early printed versions all having disappeared. Even at that early date the author's implication was clearly that 'beting the bussh' was considered a poor substitute for getting on with it and 'taking the byydes'. If it really was said 'full long agoo' in the 15th century then the English 'beat about the bush' must be one of the oldest non-biblical phrases in the language. The earliest version I can find that adds 'about' to 'beat the bush' is in George Gascoigne's Works, 1572:

 

He bet about the bush, whyles other caught the birds.

As far as the relative global popularity of the two versions of the phrase goes, the US version is becoming the standard. According to this graph of instances of the two phrases in print that are recorded in Google's databases, 'beat around the bush' overtook 'beat about the bush' around (or about, if you prefer) 1980. 

Geeked

 

 

 

 

 

-G .

Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.

 HO and N Scale.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 29, 2013 5:31 AM

Lunchtime in Germany!

Flo, steak sandwich and an RBF, please!

It´s a gray day again, but at least it´s dry. We will be visiting Petra´s aunt this afternoon, just to bring her a few late Christmas gifts and try to cheer her up a little. Life is not really treating her kindly.

I decided to "color" the cardboard mock-up and started with black paint for the frame. I will buy some yellow paint for the body tomorrow, which will shoot the cost of the critter up to an incredible 1 $...

Here is a quick update:

CU later, folks and make it a great day!

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:00 AM

Good morning everybody. .... I hope you are having a good Christmas and New Year season. .... We're still busy with family visits. Now Son and DIL are here from Cincinnati with 2 granddaughters. Granddaughters will stay for a wekk, and Son and DIL will be back in OH to work this week.... We'll take the girls with us to see family in Nashville, TN during the week.

Velcro.?  ... I've used a few time on the model railroad. 

Ray .... I like the family photos of grand daughters and cat. 

Ulrich .... Your critter project looks like a lot of fun. 

Karl .... Your old 0-4-0 sounds like a fun project, too. 

Prayers continue for JohnBoy and others in need. 

 

 

GARRY

HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:58 AM

Good morning. It's 45° with 78% humidity. The high will 62° and feel like 67°.


Checked the hold of the Go2Glue I used yesterday to stick the SDFloppy ][ unit in place and it's holding very well. Why was that a concern? Yesterday I tried some thin Velcro. It's adhesive held to the SDFloppy just fine. However the stuff didn't like the somewhat textured surface of the ancient disk drive I stuck it on. Didn't matter how much I cleaned it or with what. The result was the same. It would slowly lose adhesion until it was just sitting there held by nothing more than gravity. When I touched it or tried removing the SD card the unit just came up Velcro and all. Oh well I wanted a flush fit anyway so off came the Velcro. I put just a small drop of the Go2Glue on the surface and pressed the unit down on it and it's still stuck there now. Works for me. I wonder how little of the Go2Glue would be needed to keep a diesel loco shell in place yet let it be easily removed. It doesn't stick your fingers together the way super glue does and it can be rubbed off if you rub hard enough. I've used it to make 'window glass' in a couple of old Zamac diesel bodies. I can tell you that it sticks to the Zamac VERY well. Putting it on is easy. Getting it off is another matter entirely!





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Dr. Frankendiesel aka Scott Running Bear
Space Mouse for president!
15 year veteran fire fighter
Collector of Apple //e's
Running Bear Enterprises
History Channel Club life member.
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Posted by TMarsh on Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:12 AM
Good Morning!!!
 
 
Coffee and the Sunday breakfast buffet please. Thanks.
 
Gonna get cold.
 
WHOA!!!! What was that? A giant gnat??!! Oh, Karl’s helicopter.
 
Welp, didn’t get anything done yesterday but go to town with Brenda to check out Christmas decoration salesBang Head. Bought nothing to do with that. However, a sampling of the life of Todd did appear so sit back and enjoy a cup of joe or whatever and take a listen.Coffee
 
While at Wally Wart, as we were making or way across the store from the Christmas decorations to the canned tomato aisle, we did decide to get a WiFi Blue Ray player for the TV downstairs. We’re contemplating, seriously, dropping the Cinemax pay movie channel and do the Netflix thing. The TV upstairs is one of them Smart TV’s (though it does absolutely nothing to raise the intelligence of most of the programming), but the one downstairs is not so that requires a new Blue Ray/WiFi player and, since the current one doesn’t play Blue Ray anyway, seems like the thing to do. It was also $10 cheaper than the contraption to just add to the TV to make it “Smarty WiFi”. Good idea right? Yup, thought so too. So good in fact, I’m gonna have to go back and buy another one. Why you ask? Well I’ll tell you. (here’s where the Life of Todd comes in)They also had a couple movies in the $5 bin worth getting so we did. Came home and started to watch one when….the player started popping the screen would jerk, then a few minutes later pop again and the screen would stop and start and then after the third or fourth time the screen just went blank and the “no signal” thing showed up with the sound of the movie. (deep inhale followed by a long drawn out exhale and a sip of coffee). Blue Ray player quits. So, installed the new one and all was better. Brenda became confused/concerned over what had happened and how this was going to affect DVD viewing and the state of the Universe as a whole, especially since she was going to watch Godzilla movies all day today, but became unconfused/unconcerned when I said I’ll get another one for downstairs. She wanted to know when, I said as soon as I get over our $102 can of diced tomatoes and tomato sauce. Because that’s what we went to Wally World for in the first place. She said “see? That’s why I like to go with you. If it’d been just you, all you would have got was the tomato stuff and we wouldn’t have had a DVD player up here.” How can you argue with that.

 

Ya’ll have a good day, ya hear!!!!
 
EDIT: It seems the paragraph seperation when copied from Word, works well under IE, but not when using Chrome. as I am today.

Todd  

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Posted by howmus on Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:38 AM

Mornin' everyone!

Zoe, I'll have the Breakfast Buffet, but you can keep my FGLK Mug filled with Seneca Lake Organic Dark Roast coffee please!

Dark, gray, gloomy, and icky outside this morning.....  I guess the sun isn't supposed to shine at all until next year!  Last December I made about 85 kWh of electricity.  This year I will be lucky to top 70 kWh.  Last May I made over 700 kWh.  Seasons make a big difference around here!

About to go hide down in the train room and see what can be accomplished.  Only other big thing for today is the family is celebrating Uncle Ben's Birthday a couple weeks late.  He is my DIL's Brother.

Hey Todd, it was that $5 movie that did it you know.  Preprogramed to do that so you would run out and buy a new Blue xray thingie... 

Later!

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by galaxy on Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:21 PM

Hi

Well, had a scary low  blood sugar episode a little while ago just after MOH left for w*rk. fell to about 20-25 by the feel of it. Barely could I funcition, but I had to boost it before I passed out. I have glucose tablets for that {big giant sweet-tart-type thingies} but only had 2 adn i was about to pass out, so I grabbed cookies {the Danish Xmas kind} and some christams candy. It is the Worng way to boost low sugar, but in a pinch when one is about to pass out it works. and fast.

I get all shakey, sweaty, very weak, my brain goes to a "cotton ball feel" and I am lucky t o move or get sugar boost on my own. I was lucky thins time. MOH would have freaked if been here, especailly wiht only 2 glucose tabs.

So my typing may nto be so great as still recivering a hour later. Now have a gut ache form so much junk. but feeling better wish my meter still worked. DOn;t really ned one anymroe as i know about what my sugar level is by the feel.

Not fun sometimes being Hypoglycemic.

I'fd better go lie dwon now.

Geeked

-G .

Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.

 HO and N Scale.

After long and careful thought, they have convinced me. I have come to the conclusion that they are right. The aliens did it.

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