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RE:COFFEE POT #5 May 1, 2011 for all to take a drink and chat. 6+ years and going. Plenty of fresh coffee and sweet ice tea to drink. Plenty of GRITS for the Yanks.

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Posted by ChiefEagles on Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:34 AM

Happy Birthday John, CakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCakeCake   3 candles X 30 = 90  hope I got the age right. Whistling

Partly cloudy.  Smokey and smelly.  Fire down east is still raging and winds blowing from the coast are causing code orange days.  Remember the one two years ago.  Burned for a month.  Peat is hard to put out.

A couple of meeting in town and that is it. 

Have a good one. 

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:59 AM

Good Mornin' Ya'll From Cool and Overcast Taxachussetts,

We may get a few moments of sun today and tomorrow, but the temps will not top the 60's in the next few days and the rain is scheduled to return.  Since April 1 we have had precipitation half of the days!

Last night the wifey and I were discussing a MA employment law case study.  The case involved an employee caught red handed, stealing from the MA-based company, not once but twice.  Apparently in the first incident the company showed the employee mercy, reprimanded him, and then gave him a second chance.  He subsequently got caught stealing yet a second time and was immediately fired for cause.  Unemployment benefits were denied by the company.  The former employee then filed suit to acquire unemployment benefits.  The MA courts ruled that the company had to pay the serial thief's unemployment benefits because of precedence.  That is correct.  Since the company decided to take their lumps for the first incident yet show mercy and cut the guy a break, they were required by the courts to pay his unemployment benefits.  What is wrong with that picture?  Reward the thefts and pay the guy to stay home?  Behind California, Taxachusetts has the most prohibitive and expensive employment costs in the nation......and the POLS can't understand why businesses are pulling out of our state.  Fidelity Investmens, a long time MA company, pulled out of Taxachusetts recently to set up shop in adjoining states, and taking with them a few thousand jobs.     

Chuck......you need to suck down all of the leftover brewskies from your birthday celebration.  Otherwise, they will get skunky.  Waste is a sin.  If you need help, LAZ and I and the rest of us will drop by and lend you a helping hand and keep you without sin. Beer Smile, Wink & Grin 

Hudson John.....  BeerCakeHappy B-DayDrinks  I think we should all raise our glasses to toast you at 10PM Eastern time.  Glad to hear that a strike and possible violence was averted at your company.  Regarding your son being awarded the Renaissance Award for "making a difference in the lives of others," that speaks volumes of his character and his future leadership abilities.  You and your wife must be so proud of him, and of yourselves. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

SJ.......my family members always ask me why I order root beer floats every time we go out for ice cream.  I never tire of them.  BURP!  What is your favorite brands of root beer and banilla?  

Buckeye.......folks who buy homes in areas susceptible to flooding?  My experience has been that people spend far too little time researching what arguably is the largest single purchase of their lives.  When/if they checked on homeowners insurance before the purchase, paid attention to the required home inspection observations, or read the purchase and sale contract disclosure statements which by law require a disclosure of flood damage, they would or should have known not to have bought there in the first place.  The property and casualty carrier would have pointed out the previous flooding out.  Chatting with their prospective neighbors prior to purchase would have been a good idea too.  While I have compassion for those who become sad victims of a catastrophic and unforeseen natural disaster, I also question why conversely we bail out other folks' for their poor decisions, those who decide to live in harms way anyway.  We all wind up paying with a significant level of wasted state and Federal tax dollars and jacked insurance premiums.  For what?  By the way, Happy B-Day.

RaySP.......if I were you, I'd take your Doc's offer and slide in and get the knee cartilage procedure done sooner rather than later.  Angel for the wife of your friend.  Given her age and the downside risks of surgery, I agree with the pharmaceutical approach.

Dennis.......the wife and I have been doing some research reading and skipped over the Nikon D90, preferring the D3100 with the 18-55MM VR Vibratiion Reduction lens and the package that provides the optional 55-200MM VR zoom.  Problem is, you have me wondering if the D3100 likewise requires manual focus adjustments when set to video.  My objective is a single camera that does it all for the long haul......since I am the only family member who shows up ready to preserve the Kodak moments. 

Don't know why the rest of my clan bother to buy cameras in the first place. Bang Head  Time after time I hear the same panic:  "OMG, I forgot my camera!  I forgot to charge it!  I forgot to download the pictures taken during the past 12 months and have no memory left.  Jack, did you remember to bring your camera?"  That is followed a day or two later with:  "Where are the photos?  Did you photoshop them?  Can you email them directly to the following 12 folks.  Can you then have the following print #s made up at Walmart for these other 6 people?  Can you get this done by tomorrow?"  Bang Head Bang Head Bang Head

MikeC.......your Lucas is a fine son who helps you out with these necessary projects while not destroying your landscape and the tools in the process.  I can remember the days not so long ago when you were sweating whether he would get into the college of his choice.  Thumbs UpThumbs Up

AF Ray........there is altogether too much grousing coming out of you and DemayJoe about the Yankees.  First place is first place, and the wrong team is in it.  Sad

DougM........the White Sox and the Cubs both won last night, and your Bulls are still in the hunt. Thumbs Up   

Rich.......we are still waiting for some MOPAR project photos from you.  Big Smile  Sorry to hear you and your princess could not be together for her birthday. Sad

LAZ.....17 more days of school?  We would have thought you graduated a few decades back. Whistling

Basketball season is over for the Boston Celtics.  Sad

Gotta run.  Later, gang.

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Posted by wrmcclellan on Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:56 AM

Morning all!

Got a great rain yesterday - nearly 1.5 inches. We needed it. Cooler today and front tonight will cool things a bit more for the weekend (low 80's and maybe 50's in the am). Like Brutus I have to get the lawn mowed.

Happy B-Day  John! (Hudson)! Happy B-Day Cake Happy B-Day

Buckeye - I warned you about the Cherrios and asked about your plumber!

I think I am going to add "Happy Birthday Buckeye" permanently in my posts signature Laugh.

Have a great day all!

 

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Posted by SPMan on Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:00 AM

Good morning all,

Happy birthday Hudson Happy B-Day

Jack,  I am leaning towards what you suggest.  I think it would be better sooner than later because it might get worse while the doctor is gone.  Have to figure out some details too like how to take a shower during recovery.  The doctor mentioned something about a shower seat but my shower is in the tub so I don't know how that will work.  I have seen pictures on the net of chairs you can put in the tub.  Just have to get one the right size.  Also it would be better now for my son to help out at home because he will be going away on vacation next month.

Dennis, thank you for the reminder about the blood work.  I will call the doctor's office as soon as they open this morning.  I'm not crazy about the hospital where this will be done but since it will be done as an outpatient I won't have to stay there.  The doctor said they have better equipment for him than the one near me.

Well, got to get cracking, while I can.

Later,

Ray

 

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Posted by sir james I on Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:21 PM

Happy Birthday John..Cake

Rootbeer?. Lately I have been buying A & W, a very good local one is Faygo. Hires & Dads were old favorites. Banilla? I've never met a banilla I didn't like....S.J.

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Posted by traindood on Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:59 PM

Afternoon fellas and gals:    Really swell here today, dry and warm here in the bubble of trendy Sparta.  Hey S P man, my two cents; get a second opinion.  This doc seems too anxious, sounds like a used car salesman. "Well, if you don't get it soon............      Hey Ray; I read where you said  "We" only got two hits with runners on base.  Wow! I didn't know you were on the roster. Can I get an autograph?     Smile, Wink & Grin     later.  

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Posted by LawsonFarmsRR on Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:50 PM

Happy B-Day John!

A number of us are over 70, still working, and enjoying it. Us farmers are just now hitting our stride. Our average age nation wide is 67!

Question - Why did I have to sigh in to post this??

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Posted by dwiemer on Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:15 PM

Good evening.  Happy Birthday John.  Congratulations and many more for you sir.  Jack, not sure about the D3100 video capabilities.  Check B & H photo's web site for the specs.  I do know that Nikon has gotten more advanced with the newer cameras.  Regarding the photographer side of things, yeah, that happens to me too.  Most times, I tell them I will burn a disk and they can do with it as they please.  I have also taken shots at events where the "professionals" had taken photos and they could not produce them...they used mine.

Hope y'all have a great night.
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Posted by fifedog on Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:21 PM

Hudson ---> Happy B-DayCake

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Posted by rtraincollector on Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:35 PM

Happy B-Day john hudson Happy B-Day

Pat my boss in VA. when I left was still farming when he was 95 so you have a bit to catch up.

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Posted by sir james I on Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:41 PM

83 today

A fresh supply of banilla is waiting for the thingy riders so come this way...S.j.

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Posted by MichRR714 on Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:38 PM

Happy Birthday Hudson Cake

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:44 PM

John,

            Happy B-Day

As for root beer, I am an IBC guy, but Faygo is a close second.  The parts from Jeff were in the mailbox this morning, so I spent the afternoon worling on the 624.  I got the chasis together after wrestling with the power truck thanks to Lionel boxing the motor in between the frame and lamp bracket.  It runs well now.  I'll update the thread tomorrow with more info and pics.

I called about a Probe that's been sitting behind a local shop for some time.  It turns out that the owner had the shop do an ATX rebuild, then stuck the shop with the car and bill.  It is a 93 base with the 2.0 four cylinder and 4EAT transaxle (ugh) and they want $2500 to cover their investment.  I am going to avoid it. 

 

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Posted by Brutus on Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:16 PM

Chief - compat mode didn't stick. Just had to turn it back on?

John Hudson 685 - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!  CakeHappy B-Day

Jack and Dennis - we hardly ever get prints made of our pictures.  They are backed up on multiple computers and a storage drive.  We do get some prints, usually when we are sharing them.

Laz - Laugh 

I like IBC rootbeer, DAD's, and A&W too.  I used to have some syrup that would make rootbeer with added sugar and yeast in a pitcher in the fridge.  It was really good, too.  Wonder if you can get that stuff any more?

TARDIS is ready so let's hit it guys! 

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Posted by ChiefEagles on Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:55 PM

Good night.  Brutus, mine still working [both].  Will send you an email.  I see Sir. J is trying to improve his image. Whistling BTW: gang, it is shipped.  Sleep tight.

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Posted by cheapclassics on Friday, May 13, 2011 4:56 AM

Good morning all,

Rain sometime today in SE Indiana.  Speaking of Lucas, he is officially engaged to his GF now.  They are planning to get married sometime in summer 2012 (hope it is not a soccer night lol).  Not much else going on.  Practice for 500 starts tomorrow.  Regular fare on dining car. TBIL anytime.  I hope everyone has  a good day.

Keep on training,

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Posted by Hudson#685 on Friday, May 13, 2011 5:41 AM

Good Morning,

Thanks for the Birthday Wishes. It was a long day for me yesterday. We have a problem tensioner that is needed for a pull this morning so it had to go. Got out real late and an early start today.

Mike congrats on your son's engagement.

Building in flood zones: that is one thing that I can not figure out. If it never flooded there before is one thing, but to build where it floods and then keep rebuildng, I just can't see it.

Thoughts and Prayers for all in need.

Have a great day,

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Posted by laz 57 on Friday, May 13, 2011 6:12 AM

Hi GUYZ,

  16 dayz o school left.  Played  GOLF for the first time this year and really stunk up the course.  But thats ok just spring trainning.  I chipped in a few times from the fringe and drained a few long putts other then that pretty pour.

CHUCK & BUCKEYE, TGIF!!!!!

Cuttin grass tonite I hope?

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Posted by Blueberryhill RR on Friday, May 13, 2011 6:15 AM

Good Morning from Blueberryhill....

It is a sunny 72 degrees. Going up to 84 today with a slight chance of rain.

Today is a busy day. I have a project to work on and the usual chores. Will be busy until the afternoon nap.

I think the Indians are in a slump. I hope they pull out of it soon.

Buckeye & LAZ.....  TGIF

Dining car has rolled in from "Points West". I will be having Cheerios for breakfast.

Y'all have a great Friday.

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Posted by Banks on Friday, May 13, 2011 7:00 AM

Hello all,

TGIF!!!!!

Belated  Happy B-Day to Blueberryhill and Hudson.

Cheapclassics Congrats on the pending nuptials.  Thumbs Up

SP RAY,   I'd say go for it. A couple years ago I ignored my Doc's advice to have surgery on a ligament issue. After months of injections and therapy with little improvement I relented and had the surgery. Two weeks later it was good as new.  Bang Head

CNW. How goes the Veteran's interview?

Five days in a row with no rain. First for that in a long time. Son got a good start on his plowing this week. Also finally got a handle on the lawn mowing. It is still a bit ragged because I cut it long to reduce the mess. Cut it again in a couple of days. Rain is predicted however for the weekend.

I've got the company's box for tonight's Altoona Curve game. Hope the rain holds off.

Best get back to paying the SS fund.

 

Prayers for those in need.

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Friday, May 13, 2011 7:08 AM

Good Mornin' Ya'll From Sunny Taxachusetts,

Looks like after today when it will hit the mid 60s we can expect overcast skies, rain, and similar high temperatures for the next 7 days.  One of the neighboring towns has announced an outdoor watering ban already even though it has been a wet Spring....not a bad idea since a significant amount of pure, treated water good enough for drinking winds up on lawns.  Few people have private wells because getting to the ground water is not as easy as it sounds with the prevailing ledge rock formations that run underground.......many house foundations and roads (with sewer, water, and electric running beneath them) have to be blased out.  And why most of the electric and phone lines are up on poles here in New England.   Garden needs, car washing, and such are ok but must be done with hose in hand.  The use of lawn sprinklers and lawn irrigation systems are limited by the ban in this town.  Outlawed outright in others which have yet to announce anything.  Too bad about a third of our treated drinking water which originates in reservoirs is known to be lost in the ground due to an ancient leaking infrastructure. 

Regarding root beer.......remember when the A&W root beer stands were in existence and selling fresh root beer without preservatives and with minimal carbonation?  Now that was and is my all time favorite root beer.

Chief......it is a lucky thing SJ was there to bail your out of jail and had the presence of mind to bring you a change of clothes.  Orange does not become you.  Whistling

RaySP.......Traindood has a good point.  A second opinion is always wise, but with an MRI revealing damage and with your track record of serious, reoccuring knee pain, I don't think you want to be trying to use pharmaceuticals to keep you walking over the short run or be facing the inevitable over the long haul.

MikeC.......congratulations on your son's engagement.  Does this mean you won't be able to use him as indentured slave labor around your homestead after the Summer of 2012?  Better get that "to do" list up and running with your boy. Wink

Brutus.....I have a 2 terrabyte external disc drive to back up everything on my home desktop, including many years of family digital photos (about 7,000 of them).  The reason for getting prints of pictures?  Relatives without a pc!  My wife's folks, for example, have steadfastly refused to get a pc (or take my used ones) or a cell phone  (or my used ones).  Won't accept gifts of a paid internet connect or a paid cell contract either.  So I am constantly sending them prints direct from WalMart.  In the meantime, I have taken a lot of "keeper" family photos that family members want to blow up and have framed.

JimmyT......you are wise.  Another automobile, nearly 19 model years old, will be nothing but another tedious project and money pit.  Unless the 93 is better than the 97, skip it.  Resurrect your chase of the 96 and the fun that goes with it.  Whistling  Your late model Mustang idea has merit as it can be your reliable daily driver.

RT.......sounds like the ceiling layout is really coming along!!!!

Dennis.....thanks for your take on the Nikon cameras.  I do need to learn more about the shortcomings before pulling the trigger.  I realize buying a single camera to do both video and still pictures will come with compromises and risks.  But "grab one camera and go" is appealing to me.  I always get years and years out of my cameras.  One sad note:  Nikon's newer cameras no longer support the older lenses I have from the very early 1970s, and I have quite a few of them.  The FTN and F2 bodies don't fetch much in the "used" marketplace either.

Pat.......remember, "old" is defined as "twenty years older than you are."  That would make you middle aged.  Smile, Wink & Grin

HudsonJohn......sounds like life's responsibilities (work) derailed your birthday celebration or at least tempered it.  Regarding floods.  My FIL and I "discussed" this topic yesterday----folks who knowingly build and/or buy in places known to be prone to flooding, get wiped out, then need to be bailed out with tax and insurance dollars.  We solved nothing.  But I maintain there is a big difference between those folks who knowingly put themselves in harms way and those who through no fault of their own get hit with an "act of God."  He then countered with:  "Then no one should be allowed to choose to live near the ocean, in hurricane-prone areas, in tornado-prone ones, or in areas around larger cities that lie near a river.  He thinks we should be doing more listening to the Army Corps of engineers whose experts aptly point out that dams and levees to control Mother Nature's delivery of water can cause as many disasters as they prevent.  I agree.

Angel  Prayers for those who need them.  Later, gang.

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Posted by wrmcclellan on Friday, May 13, 2011 7:40 AM

Good Morning all!

Sunny and cool here - 70's today. 80's by weekend. Some rain predicted early next week.

Busy day today with conference calls all morning and into early afternoon. Global business is for the birds.

Starting summer planning. Normal family vacation + 25th anniversary trip this year.

TGIF!

Have a great day all!

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Posted by ChiefEagles on Friday, May 13, 2011 8:13 AM

cheapclassics

Good morning all,

Rain sometime today in SE Indiana.  Speaking of Lucas, he is officially engaged to his GF now.  They are planning to get married sometime in summer 2012 (hope it is not a soccer night lol).  Mike C. from Indiana

Congrats.  I know he is a true American and loves BASEBALL and not that un-American game. Whistling

Morning.  Cloudy and still smokey.

Getting ready to go to a lunch meeting [serving nothing but a sandwich and chips Sad].  Busy Sat. with several "visits" to things happening in Town.

Have a good weekend.  All you workers deserve it as my SS check came on time.

Later. 

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Posted by sir james I on Friday, May 13, 2011 8:45 AM

Happy Friday the 13th

Yep I bailed him out. If he had any real friends they would have been in jail with him. Haircut done, gonna enjoy this day in the 80s cause after today, back to the 60s we go..S.J.

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Posted by cnw1995 on Friday, May 13, 2011 9:01 AM

Aloha. A strange morning so far. My boss called and asked me to try to track down one of our more, um experienced professors. She wanted me to see if he was wandering anywhere on campus. OK then. Hope he's OK.

A third day in a row of sun and heat. But it's supposed to be 40s-50s next week. Go figure.  Finally succumbed to many blandishments yesterday and put in an insurance claim on our house roof - it was the shingles in the yard after the last hailstorm that did it. Let's see if they reject it.

Here's a good story on my stupidness. The bride reported the TV in our bedroom - a perfectly good 26 year old RCA - wasn't working well this week. (I seldom watch it). So I popped it on and sure enough the picture looks all jangly. OK, I thought, it's finally dead. I tried to talk her out of replacing it. But no joy. I had put some $ aside. Let's go get another one I thought. A long time later, I've wrestled this new thing together  - power it up and it has the same jangly picture. So I start laughing at myself - the old TV was fine, the cable box needed work and I never checked it. After fixing that, I was too tired to box up and return the new TV. So the bride's happy, and I have to start saving $ again. LOL. 

John, belated good wishes for many happy returns of the day Happy B-Day  I hope my boy graduates from high school next year (hope he finishes this year. Sigh. We're working on it).

Jack, how do you kill weeds and not the grass?  Whatever Scotts stuff I put down seemed to kill off a particularly obnoxious type of weed with spiky leaves I always have to dig up so the kids don't step on them. My neighbor used some spray and now has a spotted yard. BTW, our town still has an A&W root beer - and ice cream - stand.

Ray, good luck on the surgery. Sounds needed. Praying for your friend's recovery.

Buckeye, how do these folks keep getting flood insurance if they keep living in a flood plain?

Pat, that average age seems so 'experienced'.  Glad so many of this generation are represented here. Not quite there yet myself.

MIke C, congrats on Lucas' engagement!

Banks, my teen's teacher clarified the veteran interview assignment - he wanted it in-person so I took yours and RT's advice and called the local VFW and set up a visit this weekend.

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Posted by SPMan on Friday, May 13, 2011 10:18 AM

Jack, Banks, Doug and all my friends on the Forum,  I made the decision to have the knee surgery yesterday after they told me they could do it today (Friday).  It was a whirl wind day yesterday getting everything done  for pre op.  I had to go to two doctor's offices plus a medical supply place to order things I will need when I come home tonight.  I have to be at the hospital at 11::00AM this morning PST.  The surgery will start about 3:00PM PST.  If everything goes well they will send me home tonight.  I took one last look at my layout in the garage this morning.  I won't be able to duck under portions of the layout for some time I suspect.  I am seriously considering making some changes on the layout to make it eaiseir to navigate later this year.  I will report back as soon as I can.

Thanks for your support,

Ray

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Posted by laz 57 on Friday, May 13, 2011 10:27 AM

GOOD LUCK RAY with the surgery.  Prayers for your full recovery.

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Posted by Hudson#685 on Friday, May 13, 2011 11:32 AM

Lunch Time,

SPMan, Ray, good luck with the surgery. My daughter had it done 3 times and she is only going on 27. High School sports got her.

RI Jack. We think alike on the subject of living in a flood prone area. I see a lot of it with my job. An act of God is one thing, but to buy or build in a flood prone area is beyond my comprehension. Before we bought our property, I check the flood zones and saw that our property was out of it.

My son's prom is tonight. Too bad another late night here. My wife will take the pictures.

Back to work.

Thoughts and prayers for all in need.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 13, 2011 11:35 AM

Ray,

         Continued Angel

Jack,

            I could care less about the age or mileage, but I just don't have that kind of money right now.  My main concern is that the hatch isn't rusted out.  Considering what it cost to get the 4EAT rebuilt, the price is right where it should be to cover the cost.  I paid that much to get the one in my 97 rebuilt at 174,550.  I'd just rather get a GT with a five speed when I get the money.  As for that 96, I've seen the car around, but haven't seen the owner lately.Sad   

 

I just got the 624-622 wrapped up.  I am very happy with the way it turned out, and even more so now that it is finally done.  The thread has been updated.  I also picked up a 313 Bascule Bridge last night.  It has been at the top of my want list for the past 13 years, and I found what looks to be a decent one at at decent price...I hope.

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Friday, May 13, 2011 11:37 AM

cnw1995

........Jack, how do you kill weeds and not the grass?  Whatever Scotts stuff I put down seemed to kill off a particularly obnoxious type of weed with spiky leaves I always have to dig up so the kids don't step on them. My neighbor used some spray and now has a spotted yard.

DougM.......You can use any of the lawn-safe, weed eradication products out there without so much as losing a blade of grass.  I usually use the Scotts Turfbuilder Plus 2 for the expanses, a combination fertilizer and lawn weed killer.   I use the Ortho Weed B-Gon in the single shot, spray bottle for the ones I missed.  

These products are not cheap, but they thoroughly wipe out the weeds really well in a single application when used as instructed.  Once, and you are 98% done for the season.  Both products are dog and child safe when used as instructed as well.  BUT......they must be used exactly per the instructions on the bag or the bottle to work well and as intended.  The most important instructions on either product is the way you apply it and the timing.

It is best to use these products right now, before the dandelions go to seed. 

The STBP2 must be applied to a wet lawn (early AM dew will suffice) so that the weed killing pellets stick to the weed leaves.  The weed leaves then ingest the weed killing agent.  The weed actually outgrows the root, like a super fertilizer for weeds, and they curl up and die.  The bag says the pellets clinging to the weed leaves must remain undisturbed for at least 24 hours to allow for complete ingestion and to be most effective killing the weeds.  That means no dogs or kids or adults romping on the treated lawn, knocking the pellets off the weed leaves.  Equally important, the instructions emphasize no rain or lawn watering.  After 24 to 48 hours, you can then water (rinse) the stuff into the lawn and can just resume normal yard activities.  And you will see the weeds dying within 48 hours.  Absolutely no weed pulling necessary!!!!!!!!  Comes in bags small enough to treat 5,000 sq. ft.or as large as 15,000 sq.ft.  Whatever I have left over, I usually seal the bag well to keep the moisture out and avoid clumping and then use it up on the next fertilizer application or wait and use it in the Fall.  STBPP2 does not kill or prevent crabgrass.    

Ortho Weed B-Gon, a liquid,  is equally effective killing just the weeds but has no fertilizer in it, just weed killer.  Comes in "spot weed" pint and quart squirt bottles.  Also in a half gallon one with a garden hose conection for use over large areas like an entire lawn, with each half gallon treating about 5,000 square feet of lawn.  Should be applied to a dry lawn (or weeds) with no rain in the forecast for 24-48 hours for the same reason stated above, complete ingestion.  Then you can water it in and resume normal yard activities.  The variation I just used also contains a crabgrass control ingredient.  Have never used this one before and don't know yet how effective it is preventing crabgrass.

Regarding obnoxious weeds like the fire thistle you mentioned, ones that are a painful hazzard to adults, kids, and dogs alike..... I get an infestation of these every year because I border wetlands.  These suckers pop up, grow, and propagate fast and furiously.  They don't seem to die out in the Fall and reseed themselves like all of the other broad leaf weeds.  I use the spot OWBG on these, but it usually takes two applications (squirts) to knock them down and keep them gonzo.  For these, I look for them every time I mow and nail the suckers in their infancy.

Your neighbor has dead spots in his lawn because he used the wrong product to kill his lawn weeds.  It wasn't a lawn-safe, weed killing product he used.  What he used was a product you use to kill anything and everything green or growing you want to wipe out.  "Roundup" and "Next Day" are two such a products.  Right on the bottle in big bold letters it says "Weed And Grass Killer."  These products work great if you use them correctly on unwanted growing stuff, growing around or up through patios, cracks in the driveway and sidewalks, or in between landscaping bricks.  They usually come in single squirt bottles.  And they come in two formulas, both of which start working almost within a couple of hours.  One formula is long lasting that will prevent anything growing in that treated spot for up to three full months. 

A word of extreme caution using these types of scorched earth, kill everything products.  They can be very unforegiving.  They kill any and all plant life they come into contact with, like lawn, flowers, hedges, shrubbery, and evergreens. 

My neighbor (ironically also named Frank Smile, Wink & Grin)  used one of these kill everything products to spot weed in his beautiful, newly-planted lawn and wound up with a Dalmation looking, brown polkadot lawn for that entire season.  His landscaper who had installed the lawn had a heart attack when he saw what the guy had done to his creation.  Worse, his wife needled him mercilessly for failing to know what he bought and for his failure to read the instructions of what the product was and what it would do.  

Another neighbor was likewise a little careless using it, too close to his decorative evergreens and some of his wife's flowers out in front of his house.  Apparently there was a breeze that day, and the wind took some of the chemical mist and deposited it where he didn't intend for it to go.  He wound up with 1 ft x 1 ft. brown dead holes (permanent) in his evergreens.  His wife likewise teased the grits out of him.

Hope this stuff helps you.

Jack

IF IT WON'T COME LOOSE BY TAPPING ON IT, DON'T TRY TO FORCE IT. USE A BIGGER HAMMER.

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