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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, September 4, 2009 3:17 AM

Franklin D. Roosevelt traveled to Warm Springs, Georgia more than forty times from 1924 to 1945. What railroad was he likely to have taken to the depot there?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:43 AM

The North Shore Line was "The Road Of Service" beginning with the Insull era.  Wanswheel, enjoy a Bacardi and Coke and you get to ask the next question.

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 6:26 PM
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Posted by AWP290 on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 6:15 PM

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 2:04 PM

Still no hits.

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Posted by Great Western on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 1:33 PM

 A reference source, which I have here, mentions Aberdeen and Rockfish as the Route of Personal Service. 

 

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:37 PM

 How about the Akron, Canton and Youngstown Railway?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:05 PM

ZephyrOverland

 Gulf, Mobile and Northern?

No

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:51 AM

 Gulf, Mobile and Northern?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:14 AM

KCSfan

After just a bit of research I found that the ITC indeed did bill itself as "The Road of Service" in the 1940-50's. The slogan "The Road of Personalized Services" was adopted in the 1960's.

Mark

Not the road I had in mind.  Another road used this slogan even earlier.

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 7:24 AM

After just a bit of research I found that the ITC indeed did bill itself as "The Road of Service" in the 1940-50's. The slogan "The Road of Personalized Services" was adopted in the 1960's.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 6:51 AM

KCSfan

The Illinois Terminal used the slogan "The Road of Personal (or was it Personalized) Service". Not quite the slogan you asked about so you may have another road in mind.

Mark

Not quite, but you're close.

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 4:51 AM

The Illinois Terminal used the slogan "The Road of Personal (or was it Personalized) Service". Not quite the slogan you asked about so you may have another road in mind.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 2:47 AM

New York Ontario and Western?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:19 PM

As long as we're on slogans, which railroad billed itself as "The Road Of Service"?

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Posted by KCSfan on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:09 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

"A Mill to the Mile" was the slogan of Piedmont & Northern, a former interurban which dieselized with an all-Alco roster and was eventually absorbed by SCL.

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Yes it was the P&N. You get to light up your cigar and ask the next question.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:24 AM

"A Mill to the Mile" was the slogan of Piedmont & Northern, a former interurban which dieselized with an all-Alco roster and was eventually absorbed by SCL.

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Posted by KCSfan on Monday, August 31, 2009 8:02 PM

Not the P&S or the P&LE. Keep guessing Henry.

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Posted by henry6 on Monday, August 31, 2009 7:33 PM

1) Pittsburgh and Shawmutt?

2) Pittsburgh and Lake Erie?

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Posted by KCSfan on Monday, August 31, 2009 4:10 PM

"A Mill to the Mile" was the advertising slogan of what small Class I railroad which had two divisions that were physically separated by a gap of 53 miles? Its application to build a connection between the two divisions was denied by the ICC in 1932.

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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:09 AM

Mark you got them all. Your turn.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:24 AM

Whoever, objected to the Houserland didn't note that it (along witht he State of Maine) was my contribution and the Houserland was not the Monon Train but that of the Indiana Railroad interuruban.

 

The miane point, hwoever, is that the CB&Q-DRG&W-WP transcontinenental route did not seem to have a secondary through transcontinental train in memory .  There was the Exposition Flyer and then the Californina Zephyr.  I suppose one could peace together a case of the Zepheret, the Scenic Limited or Prospector, and whatever Burlingon had other than the two Zephyrs, probably an unnamed train Denver - Chicago, but if anyone knows if there was ever a through secondary trian, I would be most interested.

 

 

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Posted by KCSfan on Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:15 AM

Argonaut (Sunset Route)

Imperial (Golden State Route)

Grand Canyon (Santa Fe)

Pony Express & Gold Coast (Overland Route)

Columbian (Milw Rd)

Western Star (GN)

Mainstreeter (NP)

Dominion (CP)

Continental Ltd (CN)

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:31 AM

Next question. Circa 1955 name the secondary transcontinental trains on all western routes including the two Canadian Roads west of Chicago?

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Friday, August 28, 2009 7:04 PM

Deggesty

ZephyrOverland did name a Northwestern Ironwood-Chicago train, the Wisconsin Lake Special, which may have been entirely distinct from the Wisconsin Lakes Special that you named.

 

From my research, the Wisconsin Lake Special  and Wisconsin Lakes Special were different C&NW trains.  The former ran only in the summer of 1932, whereas the latter ran from the late 1930's on.  This is a constant challenge in researching passenger train names - once you get away from the deluxe trains we all know and love, passenger train nomenclature becomes less solid. 

Another example of this was the Overland Route's Transcon of 1946.  This train was referred as the Transcon, The Transcontinental or Transcontinental Limited depending on the source of the information, the name varying from railroad timetables to contemporary newspaper ads or stories.

This issue of variations on a train name is especially prevalent from the beginning of the industry to the 1920's, when the railroads realized that a train name can be used as a marketing tool.

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, August 28, 2009 3:15 PM

Mark, I am sorry to hear of your loss. I trust that you and your family have been comforted through this time.

ZephyrOverland did name a Northwestern Ironwood-Chicago train, the Wisconsin Lake Special, which may have been entirely distinct from the Wisconsin Lakes Special that you named.

As to state nicknames, the number of trains bearing such did not materially affect the total of named trains, nor did those that may have been named primarily for a city.

The total is now 142. If anybody would like to see my spreadsheet, I can E-mail it to you.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, August 28, 2009 1:44 PM

I've been up in Illinois this past week attending a family funeral hence my lack of contributions to the list of trains with state names.

Three trains that weren't mentioned were:

The Wisconsin Lakes Spcl. - CNW - Chicago to Oshkosh (Friday only summertime train)

Ill-Mo (or was it Illmo) Ltd. - Illinois Terminal - Peoria to St. Louis

Illini - IC - Chicago to Carbondale 

If you're going to include the Bay State, Empire State Exp and Hooiser (there may at one itme have been a Hoosierland but the post WW2 Monon train was simply the Hoosier), then some other trains with state nicknames should be added. I can think of three off the top om my head; The PRR's Keystone (PA) , the RI/SP Golden State Ltd (CA) and the Badger (WI) which was either a Milw Rd or CNW train, I don't remember which.

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Posted by henry6 on Friday, August 28, 2009 7:18 AM

Deggesty

It's almost twenty-four hours since I spoke of one more day--and only three more were added.

Eliminating duplications, I tally the following new trains:

CSSHegewisch     16

ZephyrOverland    39

passengerfan         60

wanswheel            14

henry6                    7

I counted 122 duplications.

The Southern had an Atlanta to New York train, the New Yorker; the sleepers were added to the Southerner in Washington, and the Pennsy took the combined train north.

The Seaboard had a New York-Florida Limited to both coasts; it had the standard handling between New York City and Richmond.

I did not know that the Pennsy ever handled the Florida Sunbeam into Cincinnati; indeed, I did not know that the Southern and Pennsy had any interchange there; I knew only of Sou/NYC interchange there.

Obviously, Al - in - Stockton found more than anyone else, so he gets the box of cigars and a second boxful is to be distributed among the rest of you.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, August 28, 2009 3:19 AM

Dropped to save space?

 

Again, the Colorado Eagle was a DRG&W train and not just an MP train.  It did handle local passengers Pueblo-Colorado Springs-Denver

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 PM

It's almost twenty-four hours since I spoke of one more day--and only three more were added.

Eliminating duplications, I tally the following new trains:

CSSHegewisch     16

ZephyrOverland    39

passengerfan         60

wanswheel            14

henry6                    7

I counted 122 duplications.

The Southern had an Atlanta to New York train, the New Yorker; the sleepers were added to the Southerner in Washington, and the Pennsy took the combined train north.

The Seaboard had a New York-Florida Limited to both coasts; it had the standard handling between New York City and Richmond.

I did not know that the Pennsy ever handled the Florida Sunbeam into Cincinnati; indeed, I did not know that the Southern and Pennsy had any interchange there; I knew only of Sou/NYC interchange there.

Obviously, Al - in - Stockton found more than anyone else, so he gets the box of cigars and a second boxful is to be distributed among the rest of you.

 

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