After that toughie about the Georgia RR's Pullmans I'll change the pace and throw out one that should be pretty easy.
In the 1940's and '50's the route of what through passenger train took it over more different railroads than any other. Do not count trackage rights or terminal railroads such as the TRRA; just the roads for which a passenger travelling the entire route would have a ticket coupon.
Also name all the railroads that handled this train and the cities/towns which it ran between on each road.
Mark
Maybe we ought to cut this one loose and move on to another question. Apparently I got a tad too esoteric on this one. The cars I'm looking for are Aiken, Augusta, Penelope, and Gertrude. The former two providing service in the earlier years and the latter pair replacing them. Only the afternoon trains provided this service which was ended in 1927.
Mark, you were apparently only seconds behind me in providing the answer to the CGW question, so would you like to field the next one?
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
Texas Zepher AWP290 it offered Pullman-operated food service in Pullman parlor-broiler-buffet cars. Well, I've found several references to parlor-broiler-buffet cars but none seem to have any possible relation with the Georgia Railroad. I can find a few references to the Georgia Railroad but it is all coach equipment.
AWP290 it offered Pullman-operated food service in Pullman parlor-broiler-buffet cars.
Alastair (renamed Rumson in 1929) and Angeline (18 seats-Buffet-Lounge) were built for the Royal Blue in 1916. Also built in 1916, for NH general service were four 18 seat-Lounge cars, named Charles River, Charter Oak, Fall River, and Fox Point.
The June, 1930, Guide, shows a Pullman parlor car on the afternoon trains from Atlanta and from Augusta; in the Twenties there may well have been parlor service on the morning trains from both cities as well--which would have have required the use of four cars.
I have no other ideas.
Johnny
Thanks, Mark, for your concern, but my only problem with the floods in Atlanta was that of inconvenience. A great many roads were flooded, washed out, or both making getting around metro-Atlanta an obstacle course. Also, US 78 (the Stone Mountain Freeway) was completely blocked by a mud slide! This is the only time I've ever heard of this happening anywhere in Georgia!
Oh, yeah - the NS main line was completely washed out between Atlanta and Birmingham/Chattanooga.
Now, back to our program....
While the Georgia Railroad never operated any full dining car service, in the 1920's it offered Pullman-operated food service in Pullman parlor-broiler-buffet cars. There were two sets of cars (four total) that provided this service. Name any one of them. (I know this is an obscure question - aren't they all? - but I also know of two different sources where the info is available.)
AWP290 If I recall correctly these cars had a special side door for the admission of stretcher patients en route to the Mayo Clinic, it being impossible to get stretchers around the sharp turns in a Pullman aisle. (A lesson re-learned in WWII with hospital cars converted from standard Pullmans.) Don't know which of the accommodations had this door. Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
If I recall correctly these cars had a special side door for the admission of stretcher patients en route to the Mayo Clinic, it being impossible to get stretchers around the sharp turns in a Pullman aisle. (A lesson re-learned in WWII with hospital cars converted from standard Pullmans.) Don't know which of the accommodations had this door.
Yes, Mark, Bob is right, in essence. Now, I find it interesting that even though the cars were supposedly built in 1929, the June, 1930, issue of the Guide does not list this arrangement of accomodations in the equipment of the Rochester-Minnesota Special. It is listed in the February, 1950 issue, complete with a description of the exterior two doors that are opposite the interior doors to Bedrooms C and D (B&C, and D&E, could be sold en suite.). Thus a stretcher could be taken directly into C and D, provided, of course, that you had a platform or a lift beside the exterior doors.
Also of interest is the drawing of the floor plan, and the photograph of "Ephraim McDowell," both of which show a third exterior side door at the end of the section section of the car. Apparently it was there to permit bringing a stretcher in so it could be carried into the drawing room, but I have seen no mention of this door at all.
Joseph Lister was the pioneer in the use of antiseptics (we all know of a product named for him). Ephraim McDowell also emphasized extreme cleanliness, especially in surgical procedures. He performed the first ovariotomy--without anesthesia--successfully (look him up in Wikipedia; not mentioned in the Wikipedia article is the patient's way of keeping her mind off what Dr. McDowell was doing--she sang hymns throughout the whole procedure).
So, Bob, you have the honor of proposing a question.
Good job Bob. You beat me to it with what I think is the correct answer. I hope you weren't affected by the recent floods in the Atlanta area.
Rochester, MN....Mayo Clinic....then: tongue depresser? Stethescope? R----l thermometer?
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KCSfan Johnny, you take the next question. I've had quite a few lately and the Larks were definitely the harder pair to identify. Mark
Johnny, you take the next question. I've had quite a few lately and the Larks were definitely the harder pair to identify.
Here is one that I have thought of from time to time, but not when I had the opportunity to pose.
In 1929, Pullman built two cars to be used on the CNW’s Rochester Special (in later years, it was called the Rochester-Minnesota Special), which provided overnight service between Chicago and Rochester, Minn.
These cars, "Joseph Lister" and "Ephraim McDowell," were unique not only in their floor plan (8 sections, drawing room, and 4 double bedrooms), but also in an external feature.
What was this external feature? (hint–for what was Rochester, Minnesota, noted for many years?)
daveklepperNever knew about the Texas Larks. What years did they run?
Never knew about the Texas Larks. What years did they run?
The San Antonio-Dallas Lark existed in the late 1920's. It was cut back to a San Antonio-Hearne run in 1932 and was gone shortly afterwards.
In the late 1920's, the Louisville and Nashville also operated a Lark between Ocean Springs and New Orleans.
DeggestyThe SP had two sets of birds that were operated in both Texas and California. Not only did the Owls fly in both states, the Larks flew in both states. The California trains Larks ran, of course, between Los Angeles and San Francisco/Oakland, and the Texas trains Larks ran betweenm Dallas and San Antonio. Johnny
The SP had two sets of birds that were operated in both Texas and California. Not only did the Owls fly in both states, the Larks flew in both states. The California trains Larks ran, of course, between Los Angeles and San Francisco/Oakland, and the Texas trains Larks ran betweenm Dallas and San Antonio.
Yep, it was the Owl and the Lark. Mark got one and you got the other one. Do you two want to toss a coin to see who will ask the next question?
ZephyrOverlandI wasn't looking for this train - you're right - one name was applied to two pairs of trains but as you mention they all met to swap cars. The name I'm looking for was applied to two trains that did not share any stations.
wanswheel Border Limited #303/304 Houston-Corpus Christi (and Brownsville) Border Limited #313/314 San Antonio-Brownsville (and Corpus Christi) Or something like that. It seems all 4 trains met to swap cars in the middle of the night.
Border Limited #303/304 Houston-Corpus Christi (and Brownsville)
Border Limited #313/314 San Antonio-Brownsville (and Corpus Christi)
Or something like that. It seems all 4 trains met to swap cars in the middle of the night.
I wasn't looking for this train - you're right - one name was applied to two pairs of trains but as you mention they all met to swap cars. The name I'm looking for was applied to two trains that did not share any stations.
I'll give this another day - I'll be away from the internet for the next few days.
daveklepperThe SP did , of course, use the name Daylight for the Shasta Daylight, the Coast Daylight, and the San Joaquin Daylight, but possibly that isn't what you meant. Oakland - Portland, SF-LA, and Oakland - LA.
The SP did , of course, use the name Daylight for the Shasta Daylight, the Coast Daylight, and the San Joaquin Daylight, but possibly that isn't what you meant. Oakland - Portland, SF-LA, and Oakland - LA.
I'm not looking for a fleet name. This name in question was used on two different routes on the SP.
Myron,
I'll have to leave it to someone else to come up with the other two SP trains of the same name that you have in mind. For the life of me I can't think of any other than the two Owls.
In the 1950's the NYC ran trains on 10 or so different routes that all carried the name, "Beeliner", in their timetables. But this was a generic name for the Central's RDC runs and doesn't meet what I believe was the intent of your question.
KCSfan That would be the two Owl's operated by the SP. One ran between Los Angeles and San Francisco and the other between Dallas and Houston. Mark
That would be the two Owl's operated by the SP. One ran between Los Angeles and San Francisco and the other between Dallas and Houston.
Mark,
I was looking for two names that were used on the SP on two different routes each. You got the first train name. I think my question wasn't clear enough.
Myron
CSSHEGEWISCHWe have a winner. Zephyr Overland, have a slice of deep-dish pizza at Geno's East and you get to ask the next question.
We have a winner. Zephyr Overland, have a slice of deep-dish pizza at Geno's East and you get to ask the next question.
Paul, if you don't mind, I'll have a stuffed pizza at Girodano's instead. :-)
As for the question:
Name two trains, the operating railroad and destinations, whose names were used on two different routes at the same time. The trains were operated by one railroad.
Wells Street Station
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CSSHEGEWISCHNew question: C&NW moved to its current Chicago station at Madison & Canal in 1911. Where was the location of its previous Chicago terminal?
New question: C&NW moved to its current Chicago station at Madison & Canal in 1911. Where was the location of its previous Chicago terminal?
The site of the previous C&NW terminal is now occupied by the Merchandise Mart, on Wells Street and the Chicago River.
Note on the Electroliners. Their floors were approximately 42 inches above rail, the same as normal Chicago elevated cars and othe North Shore (and CA&E) equipment. They had to meet the platforms on the "L". They had traps like other North Shore and regular railroad equipment. Regular railroad equpent is about 50". But correct me if I am in error, since I am working from memory..
henry6Which railroad is most like wanswheel?
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