OK - here's the question:
A train name that was used by Amtrak was also used on a heavyweight Seaboard Air Line train several decades earlier. Name the SAL train and endpoints.
ZephyrOverland Texas Zepher Between 1941 (start of WWII) and February 1964 the NYC consolidated named passenger trains out of New York City from 21 to 9. Seven of the 9 remaining in 1964 trains were in the original 21. Name the two that were not. The Chicagoan and the World's Fair Special.
Texas Zepher Between 1941 (start of WWII) and February 1964 the NYC consolidated named passenger trains out of New York City from 21 to 9. Seven of the 9 remaining in 1964 trains were in the original 21. Name the two that were not.
Between 1941 (start of WWII) and February 1964 the NYC consolidated named passenger trains out of New York City from 21 to 9. Seven of the 9 remaining in 1964 trains were in the original 21. Name the two that were not.
The Chicagoan and the World's Fair Special.
Those would be the two!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------New York NYC 1941
No. Time Train 43 2:00 Express to Chicago 9 4:45 Local to Buffalo (oops I said they were all named trains)51 9:00 Empire State Express to Cleveland 5 9:30 Mohawk to Chicago39 12:30 North Shore to Chicago via Detroit41 2:30 Knickerbocker to St. Louis15 4:15 Ohio State Limited to Cincinnati37 4:20 Advance Commodore to Chicago67 4:30 Commodore to Chicago 3 5:30 Pacemaker to Chicago25 6:00 20th Century Limited to Chicago17 6:05 Wolverine Chicago via Detroit19 6:40 Lake Shore to Chicago47 7:00 Detroiter to Detroit11 8:00 Southwestern to Cleveland21 8:05 Lake Erie to Cleveland29 9:00 Niagra to Chicago via Detroit35 10:40 Fast Mail to Buffalo59 11:30 Iroquois to Chicago63 11:50 Genesee to Buffalo
---------------------------------------------------------------------------New York City - 1964
95 6:40 Express to Buffalo51 8:45 Empire State Express to Cleveland39 12:00 World's Fair Special to Chicago via Detroit15 3:00 Ohio State Limited to Cincinnati25 6:00 20th Century Limited to Chicago17 6:15 Wolverine to Chicago via Detroit57 7:00 Cleveland Limited to Cleveland35 10:30 Iroquois to Chicago59 11:15 Chicagoan to Chicago ------------------------------------------------------
Your turn.
ZephyrOverland passengerfan Your Question Zephyr Overland I think you meant Texas Zepher.
passengerfan Your Question Zephyr Overland
Your Question Zephyr Overland
I think you meant Texas Zepher.
Al - in - Stockton
You got it right. Many people miss the 1950 Glacier series cars or simply overlook them. These additional Glacier cars made it possible for the Western Star to operate via Great Falls, MT. The Western Star was the actual workhorse of the GN before it was combined with the Fast Mail. It was the train that carried off-line sleepers during the summer months to and from Glacier National Park. They often carried SP sleepers from both Portland and Seattle to Glacier Park where the cars were used as the hotel space while there. From Chicago the Western Star carried eastern roads sleepers to Glacier National Park. Often the Western Star in summer months ran twenty cars. It must have really been something for the counter car and a 36 seat dining car to cope with. I believe that the Western Star dining cars were later increased to 40 seat cars. I have seen the Western Star travel in sections when it was combined with the Fast Mail at Christmas times. I read somewhere once where the Western Star was called the fastest freight in America. That was after it received SDP40s for power. Later the SDP40s and SDP45s could be found on either the Empire Builder or Western Star. I liked the Western Star yet probably rode the Builder three or four times as much. Summer in the 1950's found both trains operating full. Over on the NP the Mainstreeter never came close to the Western Star in passenger loads or as classy a train. One experience on the Mainstreeter was enough for me. The North Coast Limited was a class act and enjoyed it especially the way they placed the domes in the consist with a flat top car separating them. Once had the Navy travel office at Pier 91 in Seattle book my trip from Seattle to Chicago and they booked space on the North Coast Limited. From Chicago I rode the old North Shore to Great Lakes Naval base. I was there less than a month and was transferred once again to Boston Naval Shipyard. Had the opportunity to take the NYC New England States to Boston from Chicago.
passengerfanMy question is name the GN lightweight streamlined Glacier series sleeping cars?
Then there was new equipment delivered in 1950 for the Western Star. These were needed for a 6th set of trains needed for the new slower schedule. These sleepers were in addition to the ones handed down from the Empire Builder when they outfitted the Mid-Century Builder:
#1181 Kintla Glacier #1182 Agassiz Glacier #1183 Hudson Glacier #1184 Chaney Glacier #1185 Paradise Glacier #1186 Pumpelly Glacier #1187 Tahoma Glacier #1188 Two Ocean Glaicer
I have no idea what happened to #1180 and how it ended up being a different floor plan ("Pass" series) very confusing.
Deggesty passengerfanThe UP brought a through Chicago - Seattle sleeping car from the City of Portland north from Portland as well as four SP sleeping cars from the Cascade. Once in Seattle the four SP sleeping cars were moved from Union Station to King St. Station under the Fourth Ave viaduct where they taken to the GN / NP coach yard for departure the next day on the NP pool train to Portland and the connection with that days southbound SP Cascade. Tickets were interchangeable from any of the three RRs that operated the pool trains. Al, the Seattle-Chicago car had to go back to Portland on the NP day train, along with the Seattle-San Francisco cars, since UP 458 came into Portland about nine in the evening. So this car also had to be moved to the GN/NP coach yard. In 1950, the GN said that its train (459 & 460) had a diner, and the NP said that its day train, (407 & 408) had a restaurant car. All of the day trains had parlor cars then. Johnny
passengerfanThe UP brought a through Chicago - Seattle sleeping car from the City of Portland north from Portland as well as four SP sleeping cars from the Cascade. Once in Seattle the four SP sleeping cars were moved from Union Station to King St. Station under the Fourth Ave viaduct where they taken to the GN / NP coach yard for departure the next day on the NP pool train to Portland and the connection with that days southbound SP Cascade. Tickets were interchangeable from any of the three RRs that operated the pool trains.
Al, the Seattle-Chicago car had to go back to Portland on the NP day train, along with the Seattle-San Francisco cars, since UP 458 came into Portland about nine in the evening. So this car also had to be moved to the GN/NP coach yard.
In 1950, the GN said that its train (459 & 460) had a diner, and the NP said that its day train, (407 & 408) had a restaurant car. All of the day trains had parlor cars then.
Johnny
My question is name the GN lightweight streamlined Glacier series sleeping cars?
Al in Stockton
Texas Zepher The UP purchased the equipment for the pool, but it was a pool service. All three would have operated the equipment. I never thought about it before but I wonder if that included the locomotive....
The UP purchased the equipment for the pool, but it was a pool service. All three would have operated the equipment. I never thought about it before but I wonder if that included the locomotive....
Will have a question ready in a couple of hours. Have to get a couple of clients taxes done first.
Before we leave the Train of Tomorrow, I believe its eventual assignment, where I rode it, was in Seattle - Portland pool service. Which railroad actually operated it? NP. UP, or GN?
Al, yes the Monon, 278 miles Chicago Dearborn to French Lick Springs Hotel, May 26, 1947. Return trip the next day. Your turn.
I believe it traveled on the MONON from Chicago to French Lick and back.
Or was it the NYO&W?
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The Baltimore and Ohio according to my somewhat dim memory.
Where on what railroad did the Train of Tomorrow go on its inaugural run?
Mike
If he doesn't have pics, then they don't exist!
wanswheel Mark, good luck at your new address: 77 Sunset Strip Johnny, is this the route? UP - West Yellowstone to Kansas City Wabash - Kansas City to St. Louis L&N - St. Louis to Nashville NC&SL - Nashville to Atlanta C of G - Atlanta to Albany ACL - Albany to Jacksonville Mike
Mark, good luck at your new address: 77 Sunset Strip
Johnny, is this the route?
UP - West Yellowstone to Kansas City
Wabash - Kansas City to St. Louis
L&N - St. Louis to Nashville
NC&SL - Nashville to Atlanta
C of G - Atlanta to Albany
ACL - Albany to Jacksonville
You, of of course now have the obligation to ask us a question.
As an aside, are you following the discussion of "Gasoline Powered Loco" in General Discussion in the Trains Magazine Forum?
AWP290 No need to toss a coin, Johnny was first in with the answer, no question about it. According to an AAR booklet dated 1948, both the Flyer and the Limited ran through to Miami via the route mentioned. (C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC) The Flagler, by this time (1948) ran via C&EI/NC&StL/L&N/ACL/FEC. Go to it, Johnny! Bob
No need to toss a coin, Johnny was first in with the answer, no question about it.
According to an AAR booklet dated 1948, both the Flyer and the Limited ran through to Miami via the route mentioned. (C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC)
The Flagler, by this time (1948) ran via C&EI/NC&StL/L&N/ACL/FEC.
Go to it, Johnny!
Bob
New question: In the summer of 1925, the Pullman company operated a sleeper line between West Yellowstone, Mont., and Jacksonville, Fla. This service apparently did not ring a bell with the traveling public, since it was for one summer season only. Unless you have the actual information (I don't), don't bother about train names or the times of day. Tell us what railroads handled the car, and where it was switched from one road to another.
The Dixie Flagler is the train I had in mind and Johnny's 100% correct about its route. Bob, I thought the Dixie Flyer/Dixie Ltd ran only to Jacksonville and not on to Miami over the FEC. I believe they did however carry through sleepers to both west coast points and Miami that ran in connecting trains of the ACL and FEC south of Jacksonville. If you're correct about either running over the FEC to Miami then you and Johnny will have to toss a coin (or cut cards or arm wrestle) to see who gets to ask the next question.
Mark
The Dixie Flyer/Dixie Limited ran over six roads until 1952, when they were rerouted via ACL (former AB&C) out of Atlanta. Until that time the routing was C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC.
And Johnny, I thought of the Dixie Flagler on the AB&C, too, but felt that the 1950's portion of Mark's question. We're on the same lines, anyway.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
The only one with six that I could think of was the Dixie Flagler, before the AB&C was folded into the ACL.
C&EI: Chicago-Evansville
L&N: Evansville-Nashville
NC&StL: Nashville-Atlanta
AB&C: Atlanta-Waycross
ACL: Waycross-Jacksonville
FEC: Jacksonville-Miami
AWP290 The most roads in one route that I can come up with are six. Am I even in the ball park? (And this one is supposed to be easier than the previous question?) Bob
The most roads in one route that I can come up with are six.
Am I even in the ball park?
(And this one is supposed to be easier than the previous question?)
Bob,
You're not only in the ball park but you're close to scoring a run. The train I had in mind ran over six roads. Just name the train, the different roads over which it ran and the end point cities/towns of each roads segment of the route.
Of course there's a possibility someone else knows of a route involving more railroads that I've overlooked
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