Texas Zepher passengerfanI too am thinking of a train guess the name?Is it the train of a class 1 railroad or railroads? As opposed to a short line/regional/industrial/tourist.
passengerfanI too am thinking of a train guess the name?
1. Yes
Al - in - Stockton
Texas Zepher ZephyrOverland Was it the California Limited?Yes (9) The California Limited (train #3 & #4) was the backbone of the Santa Fe transcontinental service in the pre-streamline era. It was the first train to have services that would eventually become the hallmark of 1st class services (Fred Harvey on board dining, barber, laundry, bathing, smoking parlor, air conditioning, etc.). Running from 1892 until 1954 it was the longest lived named train on the road. Relegated to a second class train with the advent of the Chief in 1926. --------------------------------------------------- In my opinion the key question was #6. Once it was a single railroad deal, it was just a matter of guessing Santa Fe trains. Had I been a little more active this afternoon that would have worked even better, but I had a boy scout meeting I had to attend. I also intentionally asked a fairly easy question to see if the format would work. Since passenger train fan asked the most number of yes questions, and since he is the one who asked question #6, I give the honor of asking the next question to him.
ZephyrOverland Was it the California Limited?
The California Limited (train #3 & #4) was the backbone of the Santa Fe transcontinental service in the pre-streamline era. It was the first train to have services that would eventually become the hallmark of 1st class services (Fred Harvey on board dining, barber, laundry, bathing, smoking parlor, air conditioning, etc.). Running from 1892 until 1954 it was the longest lived named train on the road. Relegated to a second class train with the advent of the Chief in 1926.
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In my opinion the key question was #6. Once it was a single railroad deal, it was just a matter of guessing Santa Fe trains.
Had I been a little more active this afternoon that would have worked even better, but I had a boy scout meeting I had to attend. I also intentionally asked a fairly easy question to see if the format would work.
Since passenger train fan asked the most number of yes questions, and since he is the one who asked question #6, I give the honor of asking the next question to him.
Super C or Fast Mail?
passengerfanLets see if it only travled over one RR between Chicago and LA it has to be the Santa Fe and since it is not a streamlined train are we talking about the Santa Fe Deluxe?
KCSfanWas it the Santa Fe's Grand Canyon?
How about the first Super Chief?
If not the Grand Canyon or the California Ltd. was it the Scout?
Mark
Was it the California Limited?
Lets see if it only travled over one RR between Chicago and LA it has to be the Santa Fe and since it is not a streamlined train are we talking about the Santa Fe Deluxe?
Was it the Santa Fe's Grand Canyon?
passengerfanDid it operate over more than one RR between Chicago and California?
KCSfanWas it a streamlined train?
Did it operate over more than one RR between Chicago and California?
Was it a streamlined train?
al-in-chgoWas its other terminal in Chicago?
passengerfanWas it a WP train?
Was its other terminal in Chicago?
Texas Zepher passengerfanWas one of its terminals in California?Yes (2)
passengerfanWas one of its terminals in California?
Was it a WP train?
Was one of its terminals in California?
That is actually two questions - but the answer is Yes. The theme of the thread dictates the pre-Amtrak part.
Was it a pre-Amtrak western train?
DeggestypassengerfanI guess we are waiting for the next question forget who's turn it isTexas Zepher gave us four names at 11:06 pm on 10-19. I am not sure you should count the IC's painting the borrowed dome cars since they were all returned to the NP (and then repainted in the NP colors, at the IC's expense), but you did name the IC as painting the cars it bought from the MP. The greatest number named by anyone else was 2.
passengerfanI guess we are waiting for the next question forget who's turn it is
Texas Zepher - in first post NP, SP, MP, GN, IC Then guessed NYC so that is -1, then SP&S, CN, Alaska and wondered if modern roads NYS&W, Conrail, NS, and BN executive counted.
CSSHEGEWISCH - PRR, KCS
AWP209 - L&N
Zephyr Overland - UP, N&W
But then I pointed out that many of us have all asked lots of questions and wondered if AWP209 would like to. Seeing no response in a couple days, to keep it active, I wonder if we can try something a little different. This is normally meant for just two people, but lets see how it works....
20 questions. I am thinking of a train, what train is it?
Al, Texas Zepher gave us four names at 11:06 pm on 10-19. I am not sure you should count the IC's painting the borrowed dome cars since they were all returned to the NP (and then repainted in the NP colors, at the IC's expense), but you did name the IC as painting the cars it bought from the MP. The greatest number named by anyone else was 2.
Johnny
Deggesty passengerfan The UP also had some articulated dining/Kitchen dorm cars prewar assigned to the Challengers later assigned postwar to the City of LA when that train first went daily. I don't remeber the numbers but it seems to me they were numbered in the 5100s. These operated on three trucks. Al - in - Stockton You're right, Al. I jsut checked on these, and there were five of these articulated pairs--and one number was assigned to each pair, starting with 5100. edit--add: They were built by Pullman. Johnny
passengerfan The UP also had some articulated dining/Kitchen dorm cars prewar assigned to the Challengers later assigned postwar to the City of LA when that train first went daily. I don't remeber the numbers but it seems to me they were numbered in the 5100s. These operated on three trucks. Al - in - Stockton
The UP also had some articulated dining/Kitchen dorm cars prewar assigned to the Challengers later assigned postwar to the City of LA when that train first went daily. I don't remeber the numbers but it seems to me they were numbered in the 5100s. These operated on three trucks.
edit--add: They were built by Pullman.
DeggestydaveklepperI belive the PRR had two postwar twin-unit (three trucks, two car bodies or just a separate kitchen car, my memory falls short on telling me which) diners that saw sevice on the Broadway and other trains as well, both built by Budd and painted Tuscan red. Dave, do you (or anyone else) have a picture of one of these twin units? Robert Wayner does not indicate that they were articulated. They were numbered (6 pairs of dining room car and kitchen-dormitory car) 4610-4611, 4614-4615, 4616-4617, 4618-4619, 4620-4621, and 4622-4623. So far as I remember, the SP was the only road that had articulated dining room-kitchen cars, all of which were built by Pullman. The 1940 Daylight had a coffee shop-kitchen-dining room set; the 1941 Morning Daylight also had three-unit sets--and the 1941 Lark had a dormitory kitchen-dining room-tavern lounge set. I saw one of the sets in Houston in October of 1971. Johnny
daveklepperI belive the PRR had two postwar twin-unit (three trucks, two car bodies or just a separate kitchen car, my memory falls short on telling me which) diners that saw sevice on the Broadway and other trains as well, both built by Budd and painted Tuscan red.
Dave, do you (or anyone else) have a picture of one of these twin units? Robert Wayner does not indicate that they were articulated. They were numbered (6 pairs of dining room car and kitchen-dormitory car) 4610-4611, 4614-4615, 4616-4617, 4618-4619, 4620-4621, and 4622-4623. So far as I remember, the SP was the only road that had articulated dining room-kitchen cars, all of which were built by Pullman. The 1940 Daylight had a coffee shop-kitchen-dining room set; the 1941 Morning Daylight also had three-unit sets--and the 1941 Lark had a dormitory kitchen-dining room-tavern lounge set. I saw one of the sets in Houston in October of 1971.
Those PRR cars were not articulated. I rode them on Amtrak's Broadway Limited in the summer of 1972 and saw another pair that was located at the Illinois Railway Museum for a short time.
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