My ride was in the summer of 1955, If you check the public timetables of that time, you will see the Tidewater is shown as a Portsmouth - Jacksonville train, with through cars to Atlanta and possibly Birmingham, also possibly to Miami. In that same timetable, both the Sunland and the Palmland were shown as Washington - Jacksonville trains, with the day train continuing to Miami as well. I know that because a few years later, I rode overnight on it between Jacksonville and Miami. But it is easy for me to confuse the Palmland and the Sunland. I do remember both used only lightweight equpment during periods of light travel such as most of the summer, but modernized heavyweight equpment during the winter when the lightweight equipment was required for the "Silver" trains. I don't know how far south 17 and 18 ran in 1955. The cars may have been switched at Noralina, at Raleigh, or at Hamlet. I thought it was Hamlet, because I don't remember any switching of cars between Southern Pines and Portsmouth. But again, I can assure you that the train was indeed called the Tidewater in 1955 in the public timetable.
Between Fort Bragg and my family home in New York, I split my trips between the Seabord from Southern Pines and the ACL from Fayetteville. Coach travel was quieter and more comfortable on the Seabord, expecially if one did not have a reservation and had to use the Palmland or Sunland, but getting the Silver Meteor to stop at Southern Pines was not always possible in the winter. The Silver Star would stop, and so would the Silver Comet. But on the ACL I could hope to meet John Masters, an ACL dining car steward whom I had met when 15 years old, and often did so. The West Coast Champion would stop in Fayetteville in the winter, both Champions in the summer, and so would the northbound Florida Special in the winter, extra fare and all-PUllman, however. (Rode it once.) These were also trains I used in my acoustical consulting career 1957 - Amtrak, with projects in Miami, Manatee, Palm Beach, Lakeland, Orlando, Winter Park, Florence, Wilson, Wilmington, Columbia, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, and Richmond. Possilbly others, and there were others reached by the Southern - New Orleans, Atlanta, Greensboro, Charlottesville, Greensburg, Black Mountain, giving me the chance to ride the Crescent and the Piedmont. Also the Gulf Coast Limited, including a project in Talahassee.
I had no trouble going to New York and back by rail on a weekend pass! And trains generally ran on-time in those days.
CSSHEGEWISCH narig01: A guess: Clearing is a double track hump? Thx IGN Right part of the yard, but not the answer.
narig01: A guess: Clearing is a double track hump? Thx IGN
A guess: Clearing is a double track hump?
Thx IGN
Right part of the yard, but not the answer.
The next thing I can think of is the location of the tower.
Rgds IGN
daveklepper YOu may be correct about my confusing the Sunland and the Palmland, but the only train to and from Portsmouth when I rode it was definitely called the Tidewater, and it was shown in the public timetable as a through train to Jacksonville, even if it was actually in the consist of another train south of Noralina. So the cars to Atlanta were switched twice, once at Noralina and once at Hamlet, or did they get switched to the Silver Comet at Noralina?
YOu may be correct about my confusing the Sunland and the Palmland, but the only train to and from Portsmouth when I rode it was definitely called the Tidewater, and it was shown in the public timetable as a through train to Jacksonville, even if it was actually in the consist of another train south of Noralina. So the cars to Atlanta were switched twice, once at Noralina and once at Hamlet, or did they get switched to the Silver Comet at Noralina?
As to switching points, in December of 1965, 17 & 18 ran between Portsmouth and Raleigh, and the cars were switched there. My timetable for that age is buried in a box upstaiers; I rode the Portsmouth-Jacksonville sleeper from Raleigh to Savannah just after Christmas.
If you look at any SAL timetable published since the New York-Florida Limited was renamed the Palmland, you will see that this was a day train across the Carolinas and Georgia.
Johnny
daveklepper I recall 17 and 18 as called the Tidewater when I rode it in 1955. I don't recall any other Seaboard passsenger train in and out of Portsmouth at the time. But we agree it was 17 and 18 that are the answer to the question. I could be mistaken, and I don't have the timetables I used at the time. The train may only have run separately north of Noralina, but the passenger timetable showed it as a through train to Jacksonville, with probably the same station times as the Palmland. Someone should find a 1950-1956 era Seaboard pasenger timetable and answer the question. I probably slept through the switching at Noralina in both directions!
I recall 17 and 18 as called the Tidewater when I rode it in 1955. I don't recall any other Seaboard passsenger train in and out of Portsmouth at the time. But we agree it was 17 and 18 that are the answer to the question. I could be mistaken, and I don't have the timetables I used at the time. The train may only have run separately north of Noralina, but the passenger timetable showed it as a through train to Jacksonville, with probably the same station times as the Palmland. Someone should find a 1950-1956 era Seaboard pasenger timetable and answer the question. I probably slept through the switching at Noralina in both directions!
No to either of the responses by henry6.
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Natural hump?
narig01 A guess: Clearing is a double track hump? Thx IGN
daveklepper The train probably was the Tidewater, which carried through cars, both coaches and sleepers from Portsmouth to Florida and to Altanta and Birmingham. Northbound, I road it in coach overnight from Southern Pines to Portsmouth, and returned that evening leaving Portsmouth about 4:30 PM and getting back to Southern Pines around 11pm. I imagine that the through cars were swtiched at Hamlet to the Silver Comet to Birmingham, and to the Palmland to Jacksonville or perhaps the Silver Star to MIami and St. Pete. It was all lightweight equipment except for head-end cars when I rode it, but I understand modernized heavyweight and American Flyers showed up during periods of heavy passenger traffic when the consists of the three Silver streamlines were expanded. I was a 2nd Lt. at Fort Bragg responsible for a mobile radio and TV station and needed an FFC 1st Class operators lisence and needed to take the FCC exam in Norfolk. Passed the exam. Would have disgraced MIT if I had not. Summer 1955.
The train probably was the Tidewater, which carried through cars, both coaches and sleepers from Portsmouth to Florida and to Altanta and Birmingham. Northbound, I road it in coach overnight from Southern Pines to Portsmouth, and returned that evening leaving Portsmouth about 4:30 PM and getting back to Southern Pines around 11pm. I imagine that the through cars were swtiched at Hamlet to the Silver Comet to Birmingham, and to the Palmland to Jacksonville or perhaps the Silver Star to MIami and St. Pete. It was all lightweight equipment except for head-end cars when I rode it, but I understand modernized heavyweight and American Flyers showed up during periods of heavy passenger traffic when the consists of the three Silver streamlines were expanded. I was a 2nd Lt. at Fort Bragg responsible for a mobile radio and TV station and needed an FFC 1st Class operators lisence and needed to take the FCC exam in Norfolk. Passed the exam. Would have disgraced MIT if I had not. Summer 1955.
My apologies for the delay. This question should be relatively easy. Clearing Yard has been in existence in its current layout for about 100 years. What feature distinguishes it from all other hump yards in North America?
My Uncle served as a Porter on the Seaboard Airline and usually worked a Train between Portsmouth and Raleigh.although he later transferred to the Palmland. ....not sure which Train he rode between Portsmouth and Raleigh but it arrived southbound daily into Norlina in the early evening. My Aunt would drive my sister and I to meet him so that she could give him his lunch during the short stop at the Depot. I regularly rode the Palmland between my grandmothers and my home in New York. I have always loved that particular Train. I still love Trains and now model big G-trains in my backyard.
next question please!
Ok, CSS wins with 2 answers....the complete correct answers are:
#1. Establishment for spiritous beverages. BAR Bangor & Aroostock
#2 Rembrandt , Monet and DaVinci practiced this. ART American Refrigerator Transit
#3 Possible New Jersey inhabitant nickname. SAL Seaboard Air Line
#4 Ouch! I stubbed it! TOE Texas Oklahoma & Eastern
#5 A somewhat embarrassing observation. Ok...2 roads IC UP you know those!!!
hmmm......no other tries. OK.....the last question is two railroads. There's your hint
Well.... so far we have 3 out of 5 correct. If no other guesses by Sunday night, I'll pick the winner; answer the rest; and move on.
FlyingCrow Ok, more fun with reporting marks then. The RR or RR related name(s) please #1. Establishment for spiritous beverages. #2 Rembrandt , Monet and DaVinci practiced this. #3 Possible New Jersey inhabitant nickname. #4 Ouch! I stubbed it! #5 A somewhat embarrassing observation. Have FUN!!! # 2 ART American Refridgerated Transit (?) Thx IGN
Ok, more fun with reporting marks then. The RR or RR related name(s) please
#1. Establishment for spiritous beverages.
#2 Rembrandt , Monet and DaVinci practiced this.
#3 Possible New Jersey inhabitant nickname.
#4 Ouch! I stubbed it!
#5 A somewhat embarrassing observation.
Have FUN!!!
# 2 ART American Refridgerated Transit (?)
Reporting Mark answers:
1. BAR - Bangor & Aroostook
4. TOE - Texas, Oklahoma & Eastern
The San Diegans operated as all-stramlined trains under AT&SF with all stainless steel lightweight equipment and Alco PA;s of F unnits.
Do the San Diegans count as streamliners?
Stephen Karlson, DeKalb, Illinois
Good to hear from you Buck and you're right again with the WAG and TAG.
Mark
Yeah, Buck apparently slipped on a bar of soap, conked his head and got amnesia...sorry to all...I forgot it was my turn!
The answer to this question of course is the WAG and TAG
Wellsville, Addison & Galeton...The Sole Leather Line
Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia ... The Tag Route.
While waiting for Buck Dean's next question I'll throw out a quickie just to generate some activity on this thread. In the mid 1950's and for some years afterward there were two railroads whose reporting marks spelled words that rhymed with one another. What were these two roads and what slogan was used by each?
The only other significant stretch of dual-gauge trackage was in Salida until the Monarch branch was standard-gauged. And possibly downtown Los Angeles where the Pacific Eectric and Los Angeles Railways shared a common wire on three-rail in-street trackage. Otherwise just yard tracks, like Port Au Basque Newfoundland, where CN had some standard gauge tracks to receive the MDT refers and CN box cars off the car ferry before transfer to Newfy narrow-gauge trucks. Also, I am not sure when the interurbans out of Denver were abandoned, and one involved dual-gauge tracks I think both in Denver and in Golden. I think Collorado Southern's isolated line to Leadville, connecting onlyi with the D&RGW, had already been standard gauged.
I rode Alamosa-Durango three times each way. Also notable was the onlyi dual-gauge wye in Antonito. Such a wye involves one switch that does not involve switching tracks, merely changing from a center rail off one side to a center rail of the other with a short stretch of four rails, each center rail ending in a regulr switch point.
FlyingCrow Alamosa - Antonito D&RGW
Alamosa - Antonito
D&RGW
Right on Buck. The next question is yours.
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