If it's ethical to go back to the red psgr cars query, may considering the Interurban Electric Ry (SP's East Bay transbay-ferry feeder) and , too, a railroad whose cars modelers buy Floquil "Tuscan Red" for psgr cars.
And, 20 years ago the White Pass and Yukon's fleet , looked like about 30 or more cars, were a very red maroon. The Skagway area was magic in 1991.
*** my finger and I bleed blood type SP. The latest question; no idea except to some way-back memory says PC&F built the Coast Daylight consists. But I recall a combine was the first car.
Al, it's always good to see a classic thread starter.
http://content.lib.utah.edu/u?/USHS_Class,13109 Vista-Dome monument
http://content.lib.utah.edu/u?/USHS_Class,13110 Plaque
http://content.lib.utah.edu/u?/USHS_Class,13111 Cyrus R. Osborn (1897-1968)
Mike
Just got over some health problems and maybe will have more time for this forum once again even though tax season is here.
My question is Amtrak purchased six Pacific Car & Foundry Baggage cars from SP and numbered them second 1000 - 1006. They were on the property at the same time as the former CB&Q 1000 - 1006 were on the property. My question is what year were they purchased ?
passengerfan The first railroad to own a Vista dome car was the CB&Q rebuilt from a flat top coach in 1945 at the CB&Q Aurora shops. The car was originally named Silver Alchemy and became the SILVER DOME. A second viista dome was rebuilt in 1947 from a flat top coach by the same shop from a car named Silver castle in this case they did not change the name. Between the first and only two Vista domes built in the CB&Q Aurora shops Budd delivered ten to the CB&Q to equip the post war Twin Zephyrs that train becoming the first advertized as the Vista-Dome Twin Zephyrs.
The first railroad to own a Vista dome car was the CB&Q rebuilt from a flat top coach in 1945 at the CB&Q Aurora shops. The car was originally named Silver Alchemy and became the SILVER DOME. A second viista dome was rebuilt in 1947 from a flat top coach by the same shop from a car named Silver castle in this case they did not change the name. Between the first and only two Vista domes built in the CB&Q Aurora shops Budd delivered ten to the CB&Q to equip the post war Twin Zephyrs that train becoming the first advertized as the Vista-Dome Twin Zephyrs.
You've nailed it Passengerfan. Haven't heard from you in a while and since tax time is uon us again I hope you're not too busy yet to ask the next question.
Cyrus Osborn of GM's EMD is generally credited for the vista-dome concept which he got the idea for while riding through the Rockies in the cab of an EMD locomotive. He gave his sketches of such a car to the Burlington and they picked up the ball and ran with it.
Mark
CB&Q had several caboose type cars in the 1920s with twin cupolas that were used for passengers as they traveled through the Canadian Rockies.
I've some questions and comments concerning Dave's red cars question before posting the next one.
1. Having ridden and seen their trains many times, I feel foolish for overlookiing the GM&O.
2. It's been 45 years since I rode the NY subways but I thought the 8th Ave. line had red cars and was an IND line. Am I mistaken about this?
3. I don't know if the Chicago-Detroit PRR/WAB Red Bird ran during the time period of Dave's question. In any event weren't the WAB cars assigned to this train painted red or is my memorf faulty about this too?
On to a new question. The first vista-dome car was introduced in what year and by what railroad? Who was the builder of this car and what inspired its construction?
Forgot to mention, the INS R-1 - R-7 (1931-1941) cars were never really black. They were a very dark green ,seldom washed, and looked and photographed black. Then, many were repained into the dark brown of BMT cars during the time when they were assigned to Coney lsland or Broaedway Eat New York.
First, KCSFan is clearly the winner with nine firsts according to my count.
Yes there were "B-Division" red cars, not just IRT. These were some of the arch-roof SMEEE cars that came aftern the monitor roof R-10's, but they ran mostly on the BMT lines when they were painted a dark red, not the bright red of the IRT xcars. Anyway, I counted the New York system as one.
Missing so far are the obvious Long Island Rail Road and the Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio.
Tek ti away KCS
What red cars of the IND?
The only red cars I remember (and there were a fair number of them!) were on the IRT lines (1-2-3 and 4-5-6 in Manhattan) and on the 7 line crosstown.
The riveted-body R cars on the IND stayed black to the end (roughly around 1975, before the 'red' era); at least, I never saw one in normal passenger service that wasn't black. Can't think of anything else on IND that would have been red... what am I missing?
OK. Yes, and Philadlephia and Western before it was merged into Red Arrow. and riding the Lehigh Valley's red cars to Willksbarre one could ride the Laural Line, Lackawanna and Wyoming Valley to Scranton. Chicago Surface Lines would count also. And there are more. But now I should talley up who got the most first and get back to you.
LVT used red on all local Allentown cars and the Easton Limited lightweights, and a few remaining heavyweights on the Liberty Bell route. The Liberty Bell lightweights and most heavyweights were cream with red trim.
daveklepper How about Red Arrow's two connections, one later merged into its system, and one connection leading to a steam road connection with red cars to another electric line with red cars, part of its RofW used today with a red electric car. After that someone or I will total up the score.
How about Red Arrow's two connections, one later merged into its system, and one connection leading to a steam road connection with red cars to another electric line with red cars, part of its RofW used today with a red electric car.
After that someone or I will total up the score.
I believe the Lehigh Valley Transit is one of those you are still looking for.
KCSfan is thinking of North Shore's Silverliners, about one-third of North Shore's fleet was in these colors:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1366894
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1366893
daveklepper And some of the others not yet mentioned were partically or wholly electric. including the Red Devils.
And some of the others not yet mentioned were partically or wholly electric. including the Red Devils.
I had completely forgotten about the C&LE. The North Shore (CNS&M) had a number of cars with red upper and silver lower carbodies. Many street railways like the Chicago Surface Lines had red streetcars. There were so many of these that I doubt we should begin to try to name them all.
The New York Red Birds and R16's and others, you bet! Still more to come. Yes, Maine Central did have some of its own red passenger cars. And some of the others not yet mentioned were partically or wholly electric. including the Red Devils.
I don't know if the Maine Central had any red cars of its own but those of the B&M often ran in MEC trains. I believe the Wabash had some red cars which ran in Chicago - Detroit trains.
Would the red cars of the New York City IND subway line count?
There are a lot more. B&M should hint at another. Yes, Red Arrow does dount, and should hint at two others, pardon me, three others (but one not a direct connection, although the connection betwen them was mentioned already as having red coaches and also had red diesels). The SP Daylihgts don't count, because red was not in any way the primary color, ditto just red letterboards on stainless equipment. But Pacific Electric, sure.
I will admit to not having a good knowledge of Rock Islands passenger cars. When I posted this morn I was looking at a picture of a Rock Island E 6 on the cover of Classic Trains.
Of course I could have been blinded by the "Rockets Red Glare".
Thx IGN
Does the "vermlion" red of the Golden State cars count as a Rock Island red?
Also, does the red in Southern Pacific's red-orange-black "Daylight" color scheme count?
I presume that the red letterboards on many stainless cars does not constitute a "substantial amount".
Rock Island did have some red bi-levels in suburban service prior to the RTA takeover. Another road to add to the list is Chicago Aurora & Elgin.
KCSfan I don't recall the Rock Island having red passenger cars. The ones I remember seeing were the stainless steel streamlined ones and Pullman green heavyweights. I"ll add the following additional roads: Canadian Pacific - Soo - Pacific Electric and Texas Electric (red and cream). Mark
I don't recall the Rock Island having red passenger cars. The ones I remember seeing were the stainless steel streamlined ones and Pullman green heavyweights.
I"ll add the following additional roads: Canadian Pacific - Soo - Pacific Electric and Texas Electric (red and cream).
Oops, right after posting the above I realized that I had forgotten to include the Boston & Maine.
Ok I will start with the easy and obvious: Norfolk & Western, Lehigh Valley,Rock Island, Western Maryland(?).
On the minor side (don't know if it counts) Philadelphia's "Red Arrow"
I was going to thru in the Disneyland RR, for laughs. That opened after 1950 after 1950.
Thx Ign
Quick easy one: Era WWII-1950: Name all North American railroads with substantial amounts of RED passenger equipment. Lilke the PRR (Pennsylvania)
daveklepper My guess would be the Havana Special.
My guess would be the Havana Special.
It was the Havana Special. In the last summer of operations before the Labor Day hurricane hit, it was the only Miami-Key West train, operating as an accommodation run between those two points. North of Miami, the train still operated on a "limited" schedule to/from New York Originally, the Havana Special left Miami about 2 in the morning to get to Key West in time for the morning boat connection to Havana. But when it became the only Miami-Key West train, its schedule was modified to leave Miami around 7am, with a late morning arrival in Key West. The northbound train left Key West late in the afternoon for an approximately 9 p.m. arrival in Miami, then operating overnight to Jacksonville.
Dave, you have the next question.
What was the name of the last passenger train that operated out of Key West before the FEC Key West extension was shut down and eventually abandoned because of the 1935 Labor Day hurricane?
Next question anyone?
ZephyrOverlandMark, we await your question.
Both Dave and I have asked so many questions lately so I'll defer to someoone else who hasn't had as many opportunities. Anyone who has a question ready jump in and post it.
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