I'll take a SWAG at the question. Was it the Dixieana?
Mark
With all due respect to FlyingCrow, its time to get this thread back on track.
The question is:
When the three all-Coach Chicago-Miami streamliners were first publicly announced, what was the initial train name applied to the Henry M. Flagler consist which eventually became the Dixie Flagler?
FlyingCrow, where are you?????
my revuew of the thread says its your turn, Flying Criw
That was La Quinta
I have no idea....everything seems to have wandered off into the sunset.
RI got a single 4-4-2 for the Golden Rocket in 1948.
Who's up for the question on this thread?
Most of the Imperial cars were of the prewar 4-4-2 configuration without enclosed toilets in the bedrooms. Santa Fe got the Regals with enclosed toilets in all rooms. As far as I can see, PRRs ACF-built cars (Imperials) the Regals and a few SP cars were allof the postwar 4-4-2s. PRR and SP had both prewar and postwar configurations, with three postwar SP cars assigned to the Cascade in through service to Seattle.
Yes, Ed, you are right. I found the answer to your question on page 64 of Kalmbach's 100 Greatest Train Movies--the car was Imperial State, but the car itself was not used for the interior views but a well-built (except that the wall bent a little when the door was closed) plywood set was used. I marveled at the possibility of a man's being shut up inside an upper when it was raised to the ceiling. How did Eva Marie Saint obtain the porter's wrench so she could move the berth? (I, on one trip by Greyhound, did use the baggage compartment wrench to open and close a baggage compartment so I did not have to carry my suitcase on board--but I knew the driver and he knew me, and he did not object when I picked the wrench up from its pocket.)
Johnny
Johnny:
If my memory serves my correctly, was't one of the "Imperial" cars shown in "North by Northwest" when Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint? What happened to that Pullman/NYC Car?
Ed Burns
Ed, you have them all pegged, now. Don't let the Imperial crown weigh too heavily on your head.
I find it interesting that the original NYC, PRR, and Overland 4-4-2 cars were all Imperial cars--and the Santa Fe went for Regal cars once it got away from the Indian names. Perhaps it was felt that these were best names for these exclusive all-private room cars. The new River ACL series was, perhaps, even more exclusive, without a bedroom in the cars.
I rather appreciate David P. Morgan's regretting the renaming of NYC's Imperial Chariot; after it was sold to the IC, it was renamed Greenville, to fit in with the other IC 4-4-2's, which bore names starting with either the letter G or the letter H (and the only way it went.through Greenville was for the Panama to be detoured).
The x NYC cars were "Imperial" at one time. Here are the cars from beginning to end
By the way, my closest friend has the name plate from Hackensack River...one of the 1950 ACF cars as well as the door plate from Manatee River, one of these cars.
I love Wayner's book "Car Names, Numbers, and Consists"!
The ten ACF cars in the "River" series were 14 roomettes and 2 drawing rooms.
The six "new" "River" series cars had 4 compartments, 2 drawing room, and 4 double bedrooms.
If I understand your question, the six x-NYC cars were in the "Bridge" series.
Back to you,
NP Eddie Wayner's "Car Names, Numbers, and Consists" lists them in the "River" series (both 1950 and 1962 cars) and all had 4 compartments, 2 drawing rooms, and 4 double bedrooms. These were the NYC cars. The six ACL cars were named in the "Bird" series and had 7 double bedrooms and 2 drawing rooms. Ed Burns "NP EDDIE"
Wayner's "Car Names, Numbers, and Consists" lists them in the "River" series (both 1950 and 1962 cars) and all had 4 compartments, 2 drawing rooms, and 4 double bedrooms. These were the NYC cars.
The six ACL cars were named in the "Bird" series and had 7 double bedrooms and 2 drawing rooms.
"NP EDDIE"
For an addition to your crown for giving us all the requested information, what was the original series name of the NYC cars?
In 1950, ACF built ten sleepers for Florida service on the ACL--six for the ACL, two for the PRR, and one each for the RF&P and the FEC; I know of no others built with the same configuration. In 1961, the six ACL cars were rebuilt with a new configuration and given new names. In 1962, the ACL obtained six cars from the NYC--had them rebuilt, and given the same names as those ACL cars of the 1950 order.
What was the configuration of each set of cars as built and as rebuilt; what was the series of names (disregard the FEC name) of the 1950 order?
daveklepper Is that where Amtrak got the name for its Chicago - Carbondale trains?
Is that where Amtrak got the name for its Chicago - Carbondale trains?
Yes. The two Chi-Carbondale regional trains are the Saluki, named for the Southern Illinois Univ sports teams, and the Illini, named for the Fighting Illini of the Univ of Illinois.
More on southern Illinois, aka "Egypt". There is also a town of Karnak and SIU's sports teams are known as the Salukis (Egyptian hunting dog similar to a greyhound).
Mark, I thought everybody knew that Southern Illinois is known as "Little Egypt." Consider the names Thebes and Cairo. The area, especially from Cairo north is flat and subject to flooding (and perhaps good for growing crops because of the flooding). Even a nephew of my wife's first husband knew of the lowland around Cairo, and mentioned it in a book he wrote about a trip from Washington to Albuquerque in the late 19th century (I remonstrated him for having the heroine go through Cairo, for it is a great distance removed from the direct route she would hav followed).
I'll try to come up with a new question soon.
BINGO! That's the one Johnny. Sometime in the late 30's or early 40's service to Evansville and Cairo was discontinued and the train's route was shortened to Harrisburg - Chicago. Before you ask the next question let's see if you know the origin of the train's name, The Egyptian.
This sounds like the Big Four's Egyptian, which ran to Cairo, and handled an Indianapolis-Evansville sleeper in the late thirties-early forties.
ZephyrOverland Could this train be the C&EI Egyptian Zipper?
Could this train be the C&EI Egyptian Zipper?
You're getting warm but it wasn't a C&EI train.
KCSfan KCSfan Based on the name of the train and one of its original end point destinations one might think it ran to a foreign country and passengers would be able to catch glimpses of a major river in that country. Referring back to this hint, the river is the world's longest and crocodiles live in it. Mark
KCSfan Based on the name of the train and one of its original end point destinations one might think it ran to a foreign country and passengers would be able to catch glimpses of a major river in that country.
Based on the name of the train and one of its original end point destinations one might think it ran to a foreign country and passengers would be able to catch glimpses of a major river in that country.
Referring back to this hint, the river is the world's longest and crocodiles live in it.
Somewhere in the midwest, probably Wisconsin, there is a location called Rheinland. and some railroad may have run a train called the Rheinlander.
I am pretty sure this is wrong but I try anyway.( I gotta get an OG one of these days)
The Inter American to Laredo.
Thx IGN
Mark, your hint to Dave points me to the Chicago & Eastern Illinois, which ran an overnight train (9&10)--for which I can find no name--between Chicago and Evansville with a sleeper for Evansville and a sleeper for Terre Haute. The Silent Knight, a Chicago-St. Louis train, carried a sleeper for Thebes, but this line did not parallel the border between Chicago and Indiana, and it was entirely within Illinois.
Beats me.
Dave, you've been trying hard to answer this question so I think you deserve another hint. The entire route of this train roughly paralleled the border between two mid-American states with a portion of it in one state and the remainder in the other one.
Long before the WWII era of "The Day Express" and possibly after "The State of Maine" had been inaugurated from GCT-NYCity to Portland and Bangor Main, and also to Concord, NH, might there have been a through GCT-Worcester, Massachusetts train named "The Thames," or "The Thames River" which is the river still paralled by the line, now owned by Providence and Worcester (or possibly owned by the States of Connecticut and Massachusetts and leased to P&W) from between Groton and New Londond towards Worcester, and also the river running through London. Worcester is named after an English city of the same name. The train at one time might have continiiued north to Portland, ME or Bangor, as well as having a section to Concord, and on the south end it may had cars dropped southbound and addded northbound at New Haven to and from Washington via a Hell Gate Bridge route train. Just a guess. After several post-WWII years of no passenger service, it was revived by a daily RDC by Bucky Dumain, just Worcester - New London, then removed by McGinnis.
None of the trains mentioned so far is correct. Based on the name of the train and one of its original end point destinations one might think it ran to a foreign country and passengers would be able to catch glimpses of a major river in that country.
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