Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

[KCSfan]

KCSfan

Consisting of the names of three states, the name of this railroad was almost as long as was the railroad itself. What railroad was this, what were its endpoints and what was the reason for its construction?

Today's hint -

General Headquarters of this short line were located hundreds of miles away from the railroad itself in what for a time was the tallest building in the world. 

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

ZO, without your hint I never gotten the answer. I had google searched everything I could think of but was unable to find a single newspaper announcement of the three new trains. I suspect the Dixie Flagler name had not yet been selected in October 1940 when the trains were first announced. Unlike the City of Miami and Southwind which were clearly IC and PRR trains, I never associated the DF with any one of the six roads (C&EI, L&N, NC&StL, AB&C, ACL and FEC) over which it ran. This causes me to wonder if any one, or a combination of, these railroads participated in the selection of its name. On to a new question -

Historically, the Dixie Route trains were managed by the C&EI-L&N-NC&StL, but I believe the C&EI took over more of the responsibilities over time.  But the consist that the Dixie Flagler initially utilized was owned by the FEC.  I don't know the history on how the Flagler was named but I suspect it may have been a compromise.

Myron

[KCSfan]

ZO, without your hint I never gotten the answer. I had google searched everything I could think of but was unable to find a single newspaper announcement of the three new trains. I suspect the Dixie Flagler name had not yet been selected in October 1940 when the trains were first announced. Unlike the City of Miami and Southwind which were clearly IC and PRR trains, I never associated the DF with any one of the six roads (C&EI, L&N, NC&StL, AB&C, ACL and FEC) over which it ran. This causes me to wonder if any one, or a combination of, these railroads participated in the selection of its name. On to a new question -

Consisting of the names of three states, the name of this railroad was almost as long as was the railroad itself. What railroad was this, what were its endpoints and what was the reason for its construction?

Mark  

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Dixie Streamliner

Mark

Mark, you got it.  The Dixie Route was publicly calling its new train the Dixie Streamliner when announcements were being made in the press in October 1940 of the new coordinated all coach Chicago-Miami service beginning in December 1940.  By early December 1940 newspaper articles were now calling the train the Dixie Flagler.  When I first came across this I thought this was in error but several newspapers, including the New York Times, Chicago Tribune and Pittsburgh Press reported the same name.  Were they serious about calling this train the Dixie Streamliner or was the name a placeholder until they settled on another name I don't know.  The following link refers to the Pittsburgh Press story about the new trains and mentioning the Dixie Streamliner. 

Mark, the next question is yours.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9E0bAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XUwEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6303%2C5088247

[KCSfan]

Dixie Streamliner

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

rcdrye

I can't find anything to support this idea but I'm going with Dixie Champion.

Nope....Ill give this one more day before I reveal the answer.

Hint:  The second word in  Dixie ________ describes the type of train the consist was.

[rcdrye]

I can't find anything to support this idea but I'm going with Dixie Champion.

[ZephyrOverland]

I believe the previous post is part of the other quiz thread.  The Florida train question is still open on this thread.

[narig01]

Dave on reflection you have answered the question. Not as completely as I had intended. What happened in the panhandle was numerous stations had been built without any segregated facilities. And without any signage to indicate where everyones place was. I was looking at an article and one of the letters that the Texas Railroad Commission received complained of 17 whites, 34 colored, and 7 mexicanas all mixed together in a waiting room with only 20 seats. Santa Fe's response was that their must have been some unusual circumstance as the station (Stanton, Tx?) normally did not have that many passengers. It was also noted in the article that even Amarillo did not have segregated facilities. Perhaps someone else can answer this but what about El Paso? Whilst El Paso did not have a large population of blacks before WWII they did have a large number of hispanics. I had not seen this station til the 70's.
Dave your question.

Thx IGN
PS. I think I got this to the right place this time.

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Or maybe the Dixie Florida or Dixie Floridian.

Mark

Nope...

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Florida Dixie

Mark

Nope...

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

I am pretty sure the train was named the Dixie Flagler when it made its inaugural run in December 1940. So the name you're looking for was probably used in press releases announcing the three new Chi-Florida streamliners prior to the DF name being selected.

Mark

Mark, you are correct in that when the train made its first run in December 1940, the train was called the Dixie Flagler.  And you are correct in that the name I'm looking for was used in announcing the new all-coach service in October 1940.  The press releases mentioned the City of Miami, South Wind, and the train name I'm looking for. 

Do the magic that is Google.......

[KCSfan]

I am pretty sure the train was named the Dixie Flagler when it made its inaugural run in December 1940. So the name you're looking for was probably used in press releases announcing the three new Chi-Florida streamliners prior to the DF name being selected.

Mark

[KCSfan]

Or maybe the Dixie Florida or Dixie Floridian.

Mark

[KCSfan]

Florida Dixie

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

daveklepper

Well, maybe intially they did not use the Flagler name, but Dixie Limited, Dixie Special, Dixie Express, Dixie Flyer?

That's right, they did not use the Flagler name initially, but it was a Dixie train.

[daveklepper]

Well, maybe intially they did not use the Flagler name, but Dixie Limited, Dixie Special, Dixie Express, Dixie Flyer?

[ZephyrOverland]

I believe Narig01's posting refers to the other quiz thread.....

Another hint to the current question on this thread is that the name I'm looking for is a variant of names used on this route....

[narig01]

Dave on reflection you have answered the question. Not as completely as I had intended.
What happened in the panhandle was numerous stations had been built without any segregated facilities. And without any signage to indicate where everyones place was. I was looking at an article and one of the letters that the Texas Railroad Commission received complained of 17 whites, 34 colored, and 7 mexicanas all mixed together in a waiting room with only 20 seats. Santa Fe's response was that their must have been some unusual circumstance as the station (Stanton, Tx?) normally did not have that many passengers. It was also noted in the article that even Amarillo did not have segregated facilities.
Perhaps someone else can answer this but what about El Paso? Whilst El Paso did not have a large population of blacks before WWII they did have a large number of hispanics. I had not seen this station til the 70's.

Dave your question.

Thx IGN

[ZephyrOverland]

Deggesty

DZ, Robert Wayner does not give the name applied to the equipment that was renamed Henry M. Flagler 12/3/39, even though he states that the equipment was delivered in November of 1939. Could it have been named the Jacksonville Champion? From the description given in the FEC section of Car Names Numbers and Consists, the Champion service began 12/1/39, so the equipment under consideration could have been operated for two or more days under the earlier name.

Johnny, the time period were are talking about is when the Henry M. Flagler consist eventually became the Dixie Flagler in December 1940.  The name I'm looking for was never actually used with this consist when it began operation on the Chicago-Miami route.  This name was published in several newspapers in October 1940, but by early December 1940, the Dixie Flagler name was being used.

[Deggesty]

DZ, Robert Wayner does not give the name applied to the equipment that was renamed Henry M. Flagler 12/3/39, even though he states that the equipment was delivered in November of 1939. Could it have been named the Jacksonville Champion? From the description given in the FEC section of Car Names Numbers and Consists, the Champion service began 12/1/39, so the equipment under consideration could have been operated for two or more days under the earlier name.

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Did it possibly continue to be named the Henry M. Flagler just as it had been when the trainset previously ran between Jacksonville and Miami on the FEC?

Mark

Mark, the Henry M. Flagler name was not mentioned as the new Dixie Route all-coach train.  The news reports that came out in October 1940 mentioned the South Wind, City of Miami and the name I'm looking for.

[KCSfan]

Did it possibly continue to be named the Henry M. Flagler just as it had been when the trainset previously ran between Jacksonville and Miami on the FEC?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

daveklepper

Sunnland Flagler?

Nope....

[daveklepper]

Sunnland Flagler?

[ZephyrOverland]

rcdrye

Dixieana ?

Nope....Mark mentioned the Dixiana earlier.

This name was mentioned in several newspapers around the country, so I don't think it was an issue of the name being published in error.

[ZephyrOverland]

daveklepper

Florida Flagler?

nope...

[rcdrye]

Dixieana ?

[daveklepper]

Florida Flagler?

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

I'll take a SWAG at the question. Was it the Dixieana?

Mark

Nope....The train under discussion was publicly named this way for about a month until the Dixie Flagler name was used.