wanswheel ZephyrOverland, you're 200% right. Add only the Washingtonian, indirectly named for George, because my grandfather drove it on the CV in the steam era.
ZephyrOverland, you're 200% right. Add only the Washingtonian, indirectly named for George, because my grandfather drove it on the CV in the steam era.
I was considering the Washingtonian but I decided not to include it because the train was named after the city (which is named after the president) and the fact that the northbound run was named the Montrealer, again after the city.
I guess it's my turn to ask a question....
Name at least four North American passenger trains that used a specific clock time in their name. An example would be "8:35 Limited" (not a real name). I'm not looking for any names with "morning", "afternoon", "evening" or "night" designations, and to keep this small, I'm also not looking for any "midnight" designations, even though technically "midnight" is a specific time (I'm aware of about 30 train names with "midnight" in their name.)
SP Noon Daylight
SP Sunset Limited
NH Sundown
B&M Minuteman, every minute counts
NYC Paul Revere, a midnight specialist
CN Ocean Limited, would you believe clock time at low tide?
I can't think of a single one, unless the 400 in all the Chicago & Northwestern trains means 4:00. I would guess every commuter train out there is considered named by its clock time. "I'm tak'n the 9:15".
Texas Zepher I can't think of a single one, unless the 400 in all the Chicago & Northwestern trains means 4:00. I would guess every commuter train out there is considered named by its clock time. "I'm tak'n the 9:15".
Texas Z,
I too can't think of a single one either. The origin of the 400 name came from the schedule of the original Twin Cities 400 which ran the 400 miles between Chicago and Minneapolis in 400 minutes. The route was actually 409 miles and the scheduled time was IIRC 6 hrs 50 mins (410 mins). Close enough on both counts to justify the 400 name.
Mark
KCSfan Texas Zepher I can't think of a single one, unless the 400 in all the Chicago & Northwestern trains means 4:00. I would guess every commuter train out there is considered named by its clock time. "I'm tak'n the 9:15". Texas Z, I too can't think of a single one either. The origin of the 400 name came from the schedule of the original Twin Cities 400 which ran the 400 miles between Chicago and Minneapolis in 400 minutes. The route was actually 409 miles and the scheduled time was IIRC 6 hrs 50 mins (410 mins). Close enough on both counts to justify the 400 name. Mark
I can't think of any train name which had an actual time in it; I'm only a would-be connoisseur.
Johnny
wanswheel SP Noon Daylight SP Sunset Limited NH Sundown B&M Minuteman, every minute counts NYC Paul Revere, a midnight specialist CN Ocean Limited, would you believe clock time at low tide?
The Noon Daylight
The other names....nope.
Remember, an actual time should be included in the name, not time of day......
Good thing there's only 720 clock times on either side of noon.
The New York Times, Jan. 9, 1943: The Reading's Seven O'Clocker from Philadelphia has been discontinued after some twenty years of special service.
wanswheel Good thing there's only 720 clock times on either side of noon. The New York Times, Jan. 9, 1943: The Reading's Seven O'Clocker from Philadelphia has been discontinued after some twenty years of special service.
That's another one.
The Seven O'Clocker was a Philadelphia-Jersey City train via the Reading and the Central Railroad of New Jersey.
At least two more to go. A clue - one of them is from north of the border.
Since it's gotten pretty quiet here I'll give another 24 hours for submissions. At that time I'll give the rest of the answers.
Wabash unspecial, just the Midnight, Chicago to St. Louis
Ten O' Clock Limited, B & A Springfield Line, Boston to New York
wanswheel Wabash unspecial, just the Midnight, Chicago to St. Louis Ten O' Clock Limited, B & A Springfield Line, Boston to New York
Remember, I wasn't going to include Midnight trains because there were so many.
As for the Ten O' Clock Limited, that's a new one on me. What years did this train run? Was it also named the same on the New Haven from Springfield to New York?
I think the Ten O' Clock Limited is like many long-ago trains that left big city stations at the top of the hour, in that the train's name seems more apt to have been applied informally by the ridership than officially by the railroad. Nevertheless its name was rendered in capital letters in an old book that was not about trains, with a slivver of data, Boston & Albany train to New York via the Springfield Line.
wanswheel I think the Ten O' Clock Limited is like many long-ago trains that left big city stations at the top of the hour, in that the train's name seems more apt to have been applied informally by the ridership than officially by the railroad. Nevertheless its name was rendered in capital letters in an old book that was not about trains, with a slivver of data, Boston & Albany train to New York via the Springfield Line.
The names that I have been looking for were "official" in that they were listed in the Official Guide or railroad timetables. I've seen instances where unofficial or incorrect names were attributed to trains in photographs or articles but again, I'm looking for names that were designated by the railroad. So I won't include this name with the answers I'm looking for.
At this point, in order to move this thread along, here are the answers that I was looking for of North American Passenger Trains that had an actual clock time in their name:
- Noon Daylight - Southern Pacific - Los Angeles- San Francisco
- Seven O' Clocker - Reading/Central Railroad of New Jersey - Philadelphia-Jersey City
- 11 O' Clock Katy - Katy - San Antonio-St. Louis
- Eleven-Fifty Nine - Canadian Pacific - Monteal-Hamilton
- Noon Flyer - Michigan Central/Grand Rapids and Indiana - Chicago-Grand Rapids
- Noon Accomodation - New York and Washington Air Line - Jersey City-Washington
Wanswheel, why don't you take it from here and ask the next question, since you got two of them.
The Noon Flyer? okay
http://books.google.com/books?id=AnAoAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA78&img=1&pgis=1&dq=%22Michigan+Central%22+%22Noon+Flyer%22&sig=ACfU3U0hdJVxmTK8bs33phShsb6qw_55Dg
Noon Acc. left Jersey City at 12:40 says book Royal Blue Line
http://books.google.com/books?id=1xFtQGUUaxYC&pg=PA21&dq=Air+Line+Railway
What trains had Strata Domes?
wanswheelWhat trains had Strata Domes?
So the easy part of this question is that these ran in the B&O trains: Columbian, Capitol Limited, and National Limited.
The harder part is that later these were used on Amtrak trains. I have no idea or references that would tell me which. Also I believe at least one of these cars escaped from the B&O to service on the D&RGW running on the Royal Gorge, and possibly the Yampa Valley Flyer.
I also have one reference that calls a dome car on a Missouri Pacific a strata-dome, but I doubt it. I believe it is a mistake by the author. I believe it is a regular height dome.
Finally, one might consider the one-off "Train of Tomorrow" dome coaches to be strata-domes whether they technically were or not I do not know.
Texas Zepher wanswheelWhat trains had Strata Domes?Eewh, that is harder than it sounds at first. I believe a Strata-Dome was a Pullman Standard dome with a lower than normal profile for the dome so that the cars could fit through low clearances on the B&O out of Washington D.C. As such a distinguising characteristic is the angled supports for the windows in the dome. A PS normal height dome car has just normal rectangular windows (Santa Fe's Pleasure Dome), while the angled supports on a strata-dome make the windows have rhombohedral glass panes. So the easy part of this question is that these ran in the B&O trains: Columbian, Capitol Limited, and National Limited. The harder part is that later these were used on Amtrak trains. I have no idea or references that would tell me which. Also I believe at least one of these cars escaped from the B&O to service on the D&RGW running on the Royal Gorge, and possibly the Yampa Valley Flyer. I also have one reference that calls a dome car on a Missouri Pacific a strata-dome, but I doubt it. I believe it is a mistake by the author. I believe it is a regular height dome. Finally, one might consider the one-off "Train of Tomorrow" dome coaches to be strata-domes whether they technically were or not I do not know.
Texas Zepher, yes Columbian and Cap. I'm not sure National Limited.
In any case, one more classic B&O train.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-dome.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-highdome-r.jpg
http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28694/0255.jpg
http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28692/0257.jpg
http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28691/0258.jpg
wanswheel Texas Zepher, yes Columbian and Cap. I'm not sure National Limited. In any case, one more classic B&O train. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-dome.jpg http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-highdome-r.jpg http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28694/0255.jpg http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28692/0257.jpghttp://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28691/0258.jpg
The Shenandoah carried the third Strata Dome sleeper--west on odd dates (except the 31st) & east on even dates.
Texas Zepher So the easy part of this question is that these ran in the B&O trains: Columbian, Capitol Limited, and National Limited.
I think the Shenandoah had strata-dome service as well.
ZephyrOverland Texas Zepher So the easy part of this question is that these ran in the B&O trains: Columbian, Capitol Limited, and National Limited. I think the Shenandoah also had strata-dome service as well.
I think the Shenandoah also had strata-dome service as well.
These links contain 99% of everything I know about Strata Domes
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=44541
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=45638
And from 1963, a ride with my father on the westbound Capitol Limited. What sticks is the dome had a clunky look, like a '49 Ford 2-piece windshield, compared to curved wrap-around on the Vista Dome.
Texas Zepher, speaking of Train of Tomorrow, it's your turn to Astra next question.
The Wabash Pullman Standard dome parlor,along with a Budd dome coach, eneded up on the Southern.I rode the dome parlor on the Southern Crescent in 1978.
wanswheelTexas Zepher, speaking of Train of Tomorrow, it's your turn to Astra next question.
Texas Zepher wanswheelTexas Zepher, speaking of Train of Tomorrow, it's your turn to Astra next question.Astra Q - Today many children build their Thomas the Tank train tracks with a turnout right there in the main line. "What real Railroad had a turntable built on the mainline track?"
Rio Grande Southern
Rio Grande Southern photos by William Henry Jackson
http://photoswest.org/photos/00301626/00301713.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/00301126/00301142.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/20104001/20104097.jpg
Silverton turntable
http://www.narrowgauge.org/images/tkcok/m0009.jpg
KCSfanRio Grande Southern
wanswheelRio Grande Southern photos by William Henry Jackson...Silverton turntable
P.S. I'll take either the real name of the railroad or its nick name.
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