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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, April 18, 2020 1:12 PM

Miningman, sorry for the confusion.  My complaint agout Canadian statistics was not the date but the lack of recovered statistics. and I would thoroughly enjoy the "other" Finnish URL if posted in Classic Trains or Steam and Preservation here.  But I am looking for notices of cured and for likely short-time-framework research success stories.  Thanks in any case.

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, April 18, 2020 1:03 PM

Edited good newes frem the www.jpost.com

The number of coronavirus cases in Israel showed additional signs of beginning to level on Friday morning. The Health Ministry confirmed on Saturday evening that 13,265 people have been diagnosed with the virus.
So far, 159 people have died of SARS-CoV-2 in Israel and 3,247 have recovered.
Of the country’s 164 serious patients, 113 are on ventilators – an 8.6% drop from the day before, in line with the flattening of the curve. The number of patients in serious condition dropped by 8.3%.   The number of active cases rose from 9,764 on Wednesday morning to 9,827 on Thursday morning, it then decreased to 9,803 on Thursday evening and to 9,740 on Friday morning. The number of new cases per day also dropped on Wednesday with 455 new cases compared to 460 on Tuesday and then dropped n Thursday to 257.
The Health Ministry tested 11,908 people for the novel coronavirus on Thursday - the most in any one day so far. On Friday, 9,950 were tested.  As of Friday morning, 97 new cases had been confirmed, but that number will by the evrening. 
Israeli leaders agreed on opening the economy by Sunday, accepting the principals for an exit strategy by the National Security Council given the4 Prime M inister on Thursday. The government will gradually open a limited number of businesses, which will be subject to the rules and restrictions that the Health and Finance ministries will determine by Saturday night, and will permit exercise and sports up to 500 meters from home and re-opening small-scale special education programs. 
Jerusalem continues to have the highest number of cases in Israel at 2,524, with 276 out of every 100,000 residents infected with the virus. The Health Ministry has also conducted the most tests in the capital: 24,769 so far.  The second highest number of cases (2,258) is in Bnei Brak, where 10,719 people have been tested and 1,156 out of every 100,000 are infected – more than four times as many per capita as Jerusalem. In terms of per-capita infections disregarding recoveries and deaths, Bnei Brak is leading, while Jerusalem is 15th on the list. All other Israeli cities have less than 1,000 cases.
 
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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, April 18, 2020 12:19 PM

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Whenever I watch "City on the Edge of Forever", I love watching Edith Keeler and Kirk walk past Floyd's Barbershop from the Andy Griffith show.  You can also see the Mayberry court house in that Trek episode.

 

Like this?:

 StarTrek set in Mayberry

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, April 18, 2020 11:35 AM

Whenever I watch "City on the Edge of Forever", I love watching Edith Keeler and Kirk walk past Floyd's Barbershop from the Andy Griffith show.  You can also see the Mayberry court house in that Trek episode.

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Posted by 54light15 on Saturday, April 18, 2020 11:13 AM

You know what makes the original Star Trek so good? It was the interplay between the characters and not a lot of reliance on special effects. You could care about these people. I loved how Spock used to irritate McCoy -"I hope you're not going to say it's fascinating, Spock!"  "Uhh, well it is interesting." I love "City on the Edge of Forever" - it really had something to say. I have a book by Harlan Ellison all about making that one show with the original script. Fascinating stuff.

But my favourite episode is where they land on a planet that's like 1920s Chicago. Scotty says to the gangster, "He was wearing concrete galoshes."  The gangster says, "You mean cee-ment overshoes?" Scotty looks befuddled and says, "Aye." 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:53 AM

York, you reminded me of some other "Star Trek" trivia.

Leonard Nimoy's makeup as Mr. Spock was supposed to have a slight yellowish-greenish cast to it, considering Mr. Spock had green blood, but with the color TV technology of the time you didn't see it.  If you watch the old episodes now with the current Hi-Def color it is noticeable.

Same with the "command" branch shirts that Captain Kirk and Mr. Sulu wore.  Those were a pale green in color, but in a color freak-out they came across as a gold color.  Now you can see the pale green.  

And you are right, the attention to detail in the first-year of the series was incredible.  Every penny spent showed on the screen.

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:41 AM

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I concur, "City On The Edge Of Forever" was the best episode.  Second best?  In my opinion "Balance Of Terror," with Mark Lenard as the Romulan captain.  

 

That's interesting.  I've always reversed those as my two favorite episodes, with "Balance" on top.

In the mid 1970s, before I was married, I attended Star Trek conventions in New Orleans.  They showed full-length movie film episodes of TOS on the big screen.  Everyone was amazed at the details that we had never seen on the small TV sets of the time.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, April 18, 2020 2:10 AM

If only the Romulans could fire weapons when they were cloaked eh!

Then the show would be called 'Romula'.

Like in the Westerns and Cop shows and all that... the bad guys have terrible aim and still do. 

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, April 17, 2020 9:13 PM

Glad you enjoyed the classic "Trek" boys!

I'll tell you, I enjoyed the "Next Generation" shows with Patrick Stewart (I'd have killed  to have had a command presence like he did!) but I never had the urge to watch them over and over again like I did (and do) the original series.  The first series was magic, there's no other way to put it.

I definately preferred the origina Klingons with their "Biker gang, Mongols in space"  look.   Mind you, any self-respecting biker gang rides Harleys!  No rice-burners!  

I concur, "City On The Edge Of Forever" was the best episode.  Second best?  In my opinion "Balance Of Terror," with Mark Lenard as the Romulan captain.  

"Let's get the hell out of here."  Came out of nowhere and hit like a hammer!  Brilliant!  

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, April 17, 2020 8:19 PM

Fun Tribble video. Back when the Klingons looked like a biker gang that rode Hondas and Yamaha's. 

Years later Worf when asked tried to explain that a certain group of Klingons looked like us ..all he said was " Yes, its true ...it's something we would rather not talk about"

One of the more famous and widely known and beloved episodes.

Spock states " Quadrotriticale is a wheat developed in Saskatchewan, Canada in the 20th Century" to which Checkov blurts out " NO! Everyone knows it's a Russian in-wention" 

My favourite orginal Star Trek episode was 'City on the Edge of Forever' introducing a very young Joan Collins and written by Harlan Ellison.

At the end Kirk says " let's get the hell out of here". 

Pretty cheeky for the 60's primetime. 

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, April 17, 2020 7:44 PM

Wayne- Here in Canada we get a lot of new from over 'ome and Captain Tom has been noteworthy for a couple of days. A lot of my friends are Brit ex-pats and there's been a bit of discussion about him on Zoom lately. But, what a guy! And that Tribble video-that was brilliant! Not taking anything away from Patrick Stewart, but I sure miss the original Star Trek. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, April 17, 2020 6:51 PM

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

You can select data county by county.  In addition to Covid-19 stats there are also stats on total population, racial make-up, hospital stats concerning beds and ICU beds.  Enlightning.

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by Convicted One on Friday, April 17, 2020 5:39 PM

Miningman
So here's the deal. I will not going forward respond to any of Dave's comments or post anything on any of his Threads , in exchange I expect the same.

As long as I am still welcome in your threads, then I have no problem with that.  Star

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, April 17, 2020 4:51 PM

How about some good news for a change?

HOW cool is this?  And let me tell you, if all the Brits in the CBI Theater were as tough as this old gent the Japanese never had a chance!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/good-news/99-year-old-british-wwii-vet-raises-dollar22-million-for-health-workers/ar-BB12Mm5e?ocid=spartandhp  

One more thing.  Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Fnmnktcgk  

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, April 17, 2020 4:51 PM

Convicted One -- Thanks.

Got my dander up when Dave told me to "do better". 

He's the one who could do better to send links. Said he would, then proved he is not a man of his word. 

I don't care but there is nothing old or wrong about my links. The Quadrotriticale ones are older, they are in jest, to lighten the mood.

So here's the deal. I will not going forward respond to any of Dave's comments or post anything on any of his Threads , in exchange I expect the same.

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Posted by Convicted One on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:53 PM

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Miningman, one URL led to an entirely different subject, one gave me the page not available, one led me to admit I don't know Finnish, the Finnish one in English did not mention the recovered number. and all the Canadian/Saskatchawan material that I could read was more than three weeks old.  Can you do better?   David K.  --   You sir are entirely delusional.  Every link opens just fine. Just checked. 

Miningman, every link you provided opened just fine for me, but in David's defense he has mentioned on past ocassion that he is "bandwidth constrained" at his current location.

Not sure if he is the victim of a slow connection, or  some form of state sponsored censorship...wouldn't surprise me if the latter was the case, but in any event his claims of an aborted load might be quite truthful.

I've experienced failure to load before myself when trying to connect through overloaded wifi networks, I think such prublems are magnified when a particular link takes you through multiple "hops" to the target.

I appreciated your thoughtfulness in providing links to your source materials, rather than bulk pasting in entirety here as some others do.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:50 PM

See if some of the 'recovered' statistics (for Finland and other Scandinavian countries) as you want to see them are in here:

https://www.statista.com/study/71530/coronavirus-covid-19-in-the-nordics/

Said to be updated through April 15th.  Suspect it will be periodically reviewed and updated, perhaps weekly.

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Posted by Euclid on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:43 PM

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, April 17, 2020 1:04 PM

Miningman, one URL led to an entirely different subject, one gave me the page not available, one led me to admit I don't know Finnish, the Finnish one in English did not mention the recovered number. and all the Canadian/Saskatchawan material that I could read was more than three weeks old.  Can you do better?

 

David K.  --   You sir are entirely delusional. 

Every link opens just fine. Just checked. 

The Covid reports are Apr 16 and Apr 17 ,from Saskatchewan and Canada, and autonatically updated.

The research reports are Mar 25, 26 .. news articles 

Blow it out your ear. 

 

 

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Posted by Convicted One on Friday, April 17, 2020 11:46 AM

This just in, The current total influenza related deathcount in Indiana for the 2019-2020 flu season is 121 people per the report just issued today

When  earlier viewing the graph produced by the Indianapolis TV station, I was curious why the cut-off date for statistics used in their average  only went as far back as 2016.

A footnote  under the "Influenza-Associated Mortality" chart  from the above linked report explains that the reporting criteria was changed in December 2015

Appears that the criteria for including common flu related deaths in the official count was more restrictive prior to 2016, than in the years since...so earlier  numbers would be commensurately reduced. Pulling down the average

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, April 17, 2020 10:39 AM

York1
I used Google translate.  The Finnish "Ukko-Pekka" translates into English as "Ukko-Pekka". Hope that helps!

That's what happens when you use Google Mistranslate instead of, say, Wikipedia.

Ukko-Pekka is a nickname referring to a Finnish politician named Pehr Evind Svinhufvud; it means something like 'honorable grandpa' (and was the closest Pehr would come to Finnicizing his name).  Since he was President of Finland from 1931 to 1937 there is little surprise how the sobriquet was appended to locomotives.

(Of course it may not be surprising he chose not to Finnicize his name, which would translate to something like 'pigheaded'.  But still it's better than if his name had been Skjuthuvud, right?

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Posted by York1 on Friday, April 17, 2020 10:06 AM

54light15
I wonder what Ukko-Pekka means? 

 

I used Google translate.  The Finnish "Ukko-Pekka" translates into English as "Ukko-Pekka".

Hope that helps!

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, April 17, 2020 10:00 AM

Firelock- Those are some fine locomotives in Finland- I sure like that Ukko-Pekka Pacific. I wonder what Ukko-Pekka means? 

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Posted by Convicted One on Friday, April 17, 2020 9:58 AM

Miningman
22 Million Americans have lost their jobs in the past 4 weeks. Widely reported across all media. 

That extra $600/week they will be getting in unemployment benefits  ought to give them some comfort?

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, April 17, 2020 7:12 AM

And here is something involving wheel transportatation from that web that hopefullly is short enough to avoid complaints:

OVATO, Italy (AP) — There are no fans lining the road. No teammates providing support. And there is no race to win.

Professional cyclist Davide Martinelli has achieved a moral victory, though, by using his bike to help deliver medicine to elderly residents and others in need during the coronavirus pandemic.

The service is of great use in Lodetto, Martinelli’s hometown in the hard-hit Lombardy region of northern Italy. The village has neither a pharmacy nor a supermarket.

Martinelli makes a daily trip to Rovato, the next town over, to pick up supplies.

“I’ve got a bike and two legs in pretty good form, so riding 10 kilometers (6 miles) a day is no big deal,” Martinelli said in an interview this week. “I wanted to help the people who always support me during the season. It’s time to give back to them.”

Martinelli joined up with a Facebook group called “Lodetto Solidale” (Supporting Lodetto) where those in need can place their requests online, by phone or message.

Martinelli receives his orders each night and maps out a route for the following day.

“I go to the pharmacy and when I arrive outside I put on gloves and a mask,” he said. “If I go for three or four people, there’s less risk of contagion.”

With a population of 1,500, everyone in Lodetto knows who Martinelli is. Or rather, they know who Martinelli’s father is.

That’s because Giuseppe Martinelli is one of the most successful team directors in cycling, having guided the likes of Marco Pantani and Vincenzo Nibali to Tour de France victories and a handful of riders to Giro d’Italia wins.

The elder Martinelli said that what his son is doing now is “a step above a victory for one of my athletes, because it’s gratifying to him and to us because he’s part of our family.”

Davide Martinelli is also part of Giuseppe Martinelli’s Astana team — the squad that Lance Armstrong rode for in 2009 when he came out of retirement.

Still, Giuseppe Martinelli said he had nothing to do with his son’s initiative besides offering fatherly advice: “I just said, ‘Be careful. Be safe. Don’t touch anyone. Use a mask and gloves when you enter the pharmacy.’”

At 26, Davide Martinelli likely still has his best racing years ahead of him. So far in his career, he has won only two stages in minor races — both in 2016. This initiative has brought him more recognition than anything else he’s done on his bike.

While professional athletes were at first allowed out to train during the nationwide lockdown in Italy, the government ordered them to remain home, too, after the Tokyo Olympics were postponed to 2021.

“But don’t think for an instant that there’s some sort of training strategy behind all of this,” Giuseppe Martinelli said of his son’s initiative. “Eight out of 10 times he goes out with normal running shoes and his mountain bike. ... So we’re talking about 30-40 minutes twice a day and sometimes only once per day.”

That’s hardly even a warmup for pro cyclists, who often ride more than five hours per day.

“I won’t deny that having the chance to be out in the fresh air helps me relax,” Davide Martinelli said. “Sure, there’s a risk of contagion when I enter the pharmacy, but you can’t dwell on that. When you decide to do something you’ve got to do it without over-thinking it.”

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Dampf reported from Rome. Brian Hendrie in Rovato also contributed to this story.

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, April 17, 2020 5:01 AM

I just got the Associated Press morning transmission on my Yahoo mail box.  I've scanned it and will now return to read in detail.  I recommend it highly.

You can sign up at:

The Associated Press <morningwire@apnews.com

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:07 AM

And you did your posting of URLs while I was asleep, honestly.  So in checking what was written while I was asleep I missed your post.  Please, any news from Saskatchawan since 25 March?

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:03 AM

Miningman, one URL led to an entirely different subject, one gave me the page not available, one led me to admit I don't know Finnish, the Finnish one in English did not mention the recovered number. and all the Canadian/Saskatchawan material that I could read was more than three weeks old.  Can you do better?

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:02 AM

Baloney! You were posting all morning on this very thread. 

The Classic Posting was at the same identical time you were posting on the Quiz. 

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, April 17, 2020 1:32 AM

Different time zone!

Condensed from Reuters and Jerusalem Post. 17 April
Basel-Swiss drug-maker Roche aims by early-May to provide blood tests to identify those recovered who have antibodies possibly providing immunity and thus able to resume work and/or contact with the public, the test available to countries that accept European CE regulatory standards. It is also seeking U.S. Food and Drug Administration emergency authorization for its use in the United States. By June production should expand to "high double-digit millions" per month, said Thomas Schinecker, Roche's diagnostics head.
 
Others planning to provide such tests include which U.S.-based Abbott Laboratories and Becton Dickinson, and Co, Italy's DiaSorin and others.
 
Thomas Schinecker, Roche's diagnostics head said: Thomas Schinecker, Roche's diagnostics head said:  "This is the working assumption: If you test and find people that have developed these antibodies, then at least for a certain period of time they will have gained immunity. We worked day and night on this, over weekends, to make sure we can help as many patients as possible. We put our best scientists on this. What we see is that the way we've designed the assay, it's extremely specific."  Roche's test will run on more than 40,000 of its cobas e testing machines installed worldwide that are  routinely used for Roche’s existing nose-swab PCR tests  The new test identifies immunoglobulin M (IgM) and immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies. IgG antibodies remain longer in the body, suggesting possible immunity.
 
Finland, Germany, Britain and other countries have antibody testing plans. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention plans to use them to study community-wide transmission.
"What you can't say, and that's this idea that's going around, is that if I have the antibodies, then I know if I'm immune or not," said Patrick Mathys, the Swiss health ministry's crisis management head. That will take more research.
The URL is:  https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Coronavirus-Swiss-drugmaker-to-join-race for-antibody-tests-624941

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