Charlie, all I can say is that you must actually hate me to continue to accuse me of things that clearly I am not doing. As for your enlightened views, please do study the history that your friends don't teach. There was the Mufti, he greatly distorted a tolerant religion, and what is going on in Sweden is not Israeli propaganda, neither is the burning of churches in Islamic countries, and if you and J-Street, and the parallel organizations, whose mailings I do get and read at least weekly, wish to live in a dream-world where such horrors don't exist, i cannot help you. You obviously hate the very people who wish to help you.
charlie hebdoThis forum is full of rightists and likely bigots who naturally refuse to pay heed to history, science or even rhetoric. It's pointless to attempt to point out their fallacies.
And there it is.
I've been waiting for that.
York1 John
EuclidIt is only an assumption that the lockdowns are having any effect on the propigation, and not a proven scientive fact.
And it is only assumption that the lockdowns are not having any effect on the propogation, and not a proven scientific fact.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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The experts and the evidence disagree with your article, interviewing a contrarian. It is obvious that rightists and neo-fascists want to distract the public from the incompetence of Trump and Boris Johnson in the UK.
This forum is full of rightists and likely bigots who naturally refuse to pay heed to history, science or even rhetoric. It's pointless to attempt to point out their fallacies.
Meanwhile Klepper continues to use this as a blog for the current Israeli government, ignoring more enlightened views from Jewish people in Israel and in the USA and Canada.
New research is indicating that the lockdown is having no effect on the propagation or the flattening of the curve. It may mean that there was no reason to shut down the economy.
It is only an assumption that the lockdowns are having any effect on the propigation, and not a proven scientive fact.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/17/theres-no-direct-evidence-that-the-lockdowns-are-working/
States' rights:
charlie hebdoDecent Americans know not to use the term.
Andrew Cuomo: "I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..."
But "Context, context!!"
Charlie,whethere I want a particular monument to remain or be removed does not necessarily mean I am a Nazi, Fascist, or Communist, or a bleiver in ignoring history on the other hand. Not being a graduate of the U. of Va. I do not know what I would have felt about the statue removal. Certzain former Communist countries pulled down statues at the time of the Thaw. Were they wrong? Of course not! And it was Jefferson Davis, not Lee. Must go back and make the correction, but:
Lee Circle, New Orleans
charlie hebdoContext, context!!
Is that the same context you were using several weeks ago when you said the current occupant called the virus a hoax?
charlie hebdo York1 charlie hebdo Historically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about. Wow! I didn't realize Governor Cuomo of New York was secretly invoking a racist phrase. From January, 2019: "I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..." https://www.facebook.com/KFDMNews/videos/625247571245202/ Context, context!!
York1 charlie hebdo Historically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about. Wow! I didn't realize Governor Cuomo of New York was secretly invoking a racist phrase. From January, 2019: "I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..." https://www.facebook.com/KFDMNews/videos/625247571245202/
charlie hebdo Historically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about.
Wow! I didn't realize Governor Cuomo of New York was secretly invoking a racist phrase. From January, 2019:
"I have no doubt that this Supreme Court, which was packed by this president, and was passed by his political litmus test, will do everything they can to strike down gun laws. Now, they’re going to have to trample states’ rights to do that..."
https://www.facebook.com/KFDMNews/videos/625247571245202/
Context, context!!
But of course it was ok for you to take me out on context........
Sheldon
charlie hebdoHistorically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about.
ATLANTIC CENTRALThe government big enough to give you everything you need, is strong enough to take everything you have.
10 word answers.
charlie hebdo Sheldon: Words are important. People are judged by the language they use, fair or not. Monuments: I wonder if you think statues of Nazi and Soviet leaders should have remained?
Sheldon: Words are important. People are judged by the language they use, fair or not.
Monuments: I wonder if you think statues of Nazi and Soviet leaders should have remained?
I'm not suggesting that Confederate statues should still be in front of the court house or the state house. But I believe they belong at places like Gettysburg, Antietam, Fredricksburg.....
As for those other countries, I don't live there, it's not my call.
You and your political group associate the term with oppression, those who hold my view associate it with freedom, for all people.
The government big enough to give you everything you need, is strong enough to take everything you have.
EuclidThe term States’ Rights is widely used to suggest a diffusion of rights away from an all-powerful central government. In my opinion, that principle is offensive to liberals who oppose such diffusion. So they cloak the term in the implication of it being racist in order to make the idea of power diffusion toxic for discussion. It amounts to using a charge of racism as a weapon to oppose other ideas.
The 10th and 14th amendments have been used against each other several times. Plessy v. Ferguson, for example. So there have been historical incidents that do have a racial component.
It isn't just "liberals" as you so simply put it.
Euclid The term States’ Rights is widely used to suggest a diffusion of rights away from an all-powerful central government. In my opinion, that principle is offensive to liberals who oppose such diffusion. So they cloak the term in the implication of it being racist in order to make the idea of power diffusion toxic for discussion. It amounts to using a charge of racism as a weapon to oppose other ideas.
The term States’ Rights is widely used to suggest a diffusion of rights away from an all-powerful central government. In my opinion, that principle is offensive to liberals who oppose such diffusion. So they cloak the term in the implication of it being racist in order to make the idea of power diffusion toxic for discussion. It amounts to using a charge of racism as a weapon to oppose other ideas.
There you have it.
Nonsense. The term was used by confederates and segregationists throughout our history.
ATLANTIC CENTRALAs for Dave's comments related to the removal of Confederate monuments, people who forget, hide or rewrite history are doomed to repeat it in some fashion.
Some of the first participation trophies.
As for Dave's comments related to the removal of Confederate monuments, people who forget, hide or rewrite history are doomed to repeat it in some fashion.
In my first post that started this, I eluded to desent that turned out badly, I was refering to the War between the States. And while I believe slavery to be the most reprehensible of human behavior, the north was by no means "innocent" in that conflict.
To erase the exsistance of the Confederacy, or Nazi Germany is to deny the truth of their wrongs.
Off to work now....
ATLANTIC CENTRALFirst, I did not bring up the term, I simply agreed with the concept in regard to the question of the state governors vs the president regarding the current crisis.
Seems like people are only for state's rights when those rights agree with them politically. You don't hear the normal "state's rights" chants from the usual crowds in my state lately. Probably because the Governor has the wrong letter following his name.
charlie hebdo Sheldon: If you are ignorant of the nasty historical context of the term "states'rights" trying looking it up, although you are old enough to recall the 1960s. Perhaps you will say it does not apply to you. Fine. But don't try to weasel out by playing the liberal card. Decent Americans know not to use the term. And David K: there was nothing I said about your views that was erroneous.
Sheldon: If you are ignorant of the nasty historical context of the term "states'rights" trying looking it up, although you are old enough to recall the 1960s. Perhaps you will say it does not apply to you. Fine. But don't try to weasel out by playing the liberal card. Decent Americans know not to use the term. And David K: there was nothing I said about your views that was erroneous.
First, I did not bring up the term, I simply agreed with the concept in regard to the question of the state governors vs the president regarding the current crisis.
Secondly, you are welcome to walk on egg shells and be "politically correct" by worring about every distorted meaning others read into things.
I don't have the time or the temperament for that non sense.
Beyond my varied personal cultural background, my four mixed race grandchildren would laugh at you and call you stupid if you called me a racest, so would the other six "mostly white" grandchildren.
The racists are the ones who keep bring up the subject of race, no matter their color or politics.
Any man who judges by the group is a pea wit.
I will be judged as I deserve, not as my father deserved.
Charlie: Did not you accuse me of being a right-winger and bringing up China's hiding the truth about Coronavirus to divert attention from Trump's delay in recognizing the Coronavaris threat? You know perfectly well now that I woiuld never ever do something like that.
Sheldon has a point. For example, while Nazis showed up at the Charlottesvile horror story, there also were decent people who felt simply that Jefferson Davis was a decent human being and did not wish to destroy human history, This did not make them segregationist or people who thought the Confederacy should have triumped. When I look at your friends at J-Street, I don't see basically evil people. I am too aware of the deep and long-lasting history of a Jewish "Enlightenment" philosophy that says most of the evils of the world are from nationalism, includling anti-Semtism and racial prejudice, and that Jews should be in the forefront of eshiwing natinalism, and Zionism is of course a form of nationalism unltss it is converted into a state for all peoples and not primarily for Jews.
You wish Sheldon to face the segrefationist use of States' Rights in the 1960s. I can ask you to face the well-documented, if occasionally wrong on a few specific people, history of the North American Reform Movement's anti-Zionism with consequent failure to do anything really effective to prevent the Holocaust. But that does not stop me from listening to what J-Street has to say and to support them when I think they are right, like supporting the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.
Stop labeling people with adjectives and deal with ideas. You will get far moire respect from other readers.
States rights concerning Coronavirus is not the same as States Rights regarding segregation.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL charlie hebdo We tried a loose confederation initially, where each state was supreme. It didn't work. That's why the USA is a federal nation according to the Constitution. Historically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about. I take considerable offense to your assumptions, considering you know nothing of my race, my cultural background, or the ethnicity of my family. I am a firm supporter of the Constitution and all its Amendments, including the 2nd and the 10th, as well as those you mentioned. The articles of confederation were woefully inadiquite. The Constitution is a well written, easy to understand document. What I take offense to is those who want to read into it things not said, and clearly not intended based on the other writings of the authors, and the back and forth process of its creation. My parents firmly instilled in me the idea that people should be judged by the content of their character. And Adam Smith suggested that a society could not properly function without a core set of common values. I do believe in those two ideas. The idea of states rights is about the simple fact that in a land this vast, and this diverse in culture, geography, and background, "onesize" does not fit all on every issue. On some issues it is imperative that one size fit all, on other issues, not so much. And, the other foundation of states rights is that power is better distributed than concentrated. You accuse me of something with no facts, just your own assumed bias, but of course that is what liberals do when they feel threatened, conduct personal attacks with no basis. My great, great grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee Princess, and there are people of many colors both before me and after me in my family. You sir are one trying to use that for divisiveness. Sheldon PS - I will be working tomorrow, so don't expect to hear much from me.
charlie hebdo We tried a loose confederation initially, where each state was supreme. It didn't work. That's why the USA is a federal nation according to the Constitution. Historically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about.
We tried a loose confederation initially, where each state was supreme. It didn't work. That's why the USA is a federal nation according to the Constitution.
Historically, "State's Rights" is the euphemism for the traitorous confederate states to ignore the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments as well as the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Act to maintain racist policies. So when people invoke that phrase, we all know what that is about.
I take considerable offense to your assumptions, considering you know nothing of my race, my cultural background, or the ethnicity of my family.
I am a firm supporter of the Constitution and all its Amendments, including the 2nd and the 10th, as well as those you mentioned. The articles of confederation were woefully inadiquite.
The Constitution is a well written, easy to understand document. What I take offense to is those who want to read into it things not said, and clearly not intended based on the other writings of the authors, and the back and forth process of its creation.
My parents firmly instilled in me the idea that people should be judged by the content of their character.
And Adam Smith suggested that a society could not properly function without a core set of common values.
I do believe in those two ideas.
The idea of states rights is about the simple fact that in a land this vast, and this diverse in culture, geography, and background, "onesize" does not fit all on every issue.
On some issues it is imperative that one size fit all, on other issues, not so much.
And, the other foundation of states rights is that power is better distributed than concentrated.
You accuse me of something with no facts, just your own assumed bias, but of course that is what liberals do when they feel threatened, conduct personal attacks with no basis.
My great, great grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee Princess, and there are people of many colors both before me and after me in my family.
You sir are one trying to use that for divisiveness.
PS - I will be working tomorrow, so don't expect to hear much from me.
Sheldon,
I agree with your points. Regarding what I highlighted in red from Charlie Hebdo: He says, "We know what that is about." Who is "We" ? It sounds like he is willing to accuse you of invoking what he refers to as a euphemism of racist code language that he assumes indicates your own beliefs along such lines. In my opinion, the accusation alone made by Mr. Hebdo is racisim on his part.
From Wikapedia, modified to what I believe is the local dialect and my usual photo correction or enhancement
Also from jpost.com website:
Charlie, Sheldon has a good point. Did you not make assumptions and even one accusation aganst me that you know now were wrong? Become better able to listen to people you think you always disagree with. You might find they support you in the things that are most important to you.
As brief as possible, from the jpost.com website, latest figures from Israel:
13,654 Israelis have been confirmed as infected with the coronavirus as of Monday morning, 150 people in serious condition, and a total of 3,872 patients have recovered to date.
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