Well, I know I've said it before, but the sheer economic realities are going to force those in charge of states and cities with lockdowns to swallow hard, assume the risk, and lift the lockdowns and other restictions.
Not a situation that anyone likes, but while it's easy to make a decision when you've got a good choice and a bad choice, it's not so easy when all you've got is a bad choice and a worse choice.
From Associated Press (excerpts):
New York Ckity, New Zealand:
After three months of suffering the nation's most devastating and deadly virus crisis, followed by protests, unrest and a curfew, just lifted, New York City is trying to turn a page as a limited range of industries reopen today.
One New Yorker in a health-related job told AP, “I don’t know if it’s ever going to be like it was."
Construction, manufacturing, wholesalers and previously “nonessential” retailers can resume work, with restrictions. Shops can reopen for delivery and pickup, though they can’t yet have customers browsing inside.
New Zealand: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she's confident the country has halted the spread of the coronavirus after the last known infected person in the country recovered. It has been 17 days since the last new case was reported in New Zealand. Today also marked the first time since late February that there have been no active cases
Unfortunately this work on a vacine may be futile. Even if it is successful the developement is on a strain that is not what is infecting much of the USA. Los Alomos labs have discoverthat there is a mutation of the spikes that may make any developed vacine ineffective for this strain. Right now the work is published on the peer review site that someone here will have to locate.
What is worse . Probably no immunity if a person has had the milder version . That is much like the flu which mutates every year.
BTW this poster hopes these findings are not correct.
Excerpted from The Times of Israel:
LONDON — British pharma giant AstraZeneca is “on track” to begin rolling out up to two billion doses of a coronavirus vaccine in September if ongoing trials prove successful, its chief executive said on Friday. The company is partnering with Oxford University, which has pioneered the vaccine, and is already manufacturing doses before seeking final regulatory approval once testing concludes in the coming months.
“So far we’re still on track… we are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now, and we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results,” AstraZeneca chief executive Pascal Soriot told BBC radio. “Our present assumption is that we will have the data by the end of the summer, by August, so in September we should know whether we have an effective vaccine or not.”
The firm announced this week it had struck agreements with the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), Gavi the Vaccine Alliance, and the Serum Institute of India to double production capacity of the COVID-19 vaccine to two billion doses.
The partnership with the Indian institute — one of the world’s largest vaccine manufacturers — will help supply it to a large number of low- and middle-income countries.
AstraZeneca has established separate supply chains for the vaccine in Europe, the United States, India and is also looking at setting up production in China, Soriot said.
He added AstraZeneca, which is undertaking the work on a non-profit basis, could lose money if trials prove disappointing. But he said the company was sharing the financial risk with organisations such as CEPI. “We’re manufacturing indeed at risk — and that’s the only way to have the vaccine ready to go if it works,” he added.
Oxford University began initial trials of its COVID-19 vaccine with hundreds of volunteers in April, and is now expanding them to 10,000 participants. It said last month they were “progressing very well.”
Researchers announced this week they will also start tests in mid-June in Brazil, the first country outside Britain to take part in the study, as the South American country’s virus infection rate spirals while the UK’s falls.
Convicted One Flintlock76 . The only answer is come down on them like a ton of bricks through the court system if and when they do I believe that Gerald overlooks the possibility that it might be a badge-wielding gnome making the home delivery?
Flintlock76 . The only answer is come down on them like a ton of bricks through the court system if and when they do
I believe that Gerald overlooks the possibility that it might be a badge-wielding gnome making the home delivery?
Good point C-O! It could very well be a BATF agent looking forward to a chat with Mr. Pajamas.
They do live for that stuff, don't ya know.
Flintlock76. The only answer is come down on them like a ton of bricks through the court system if and when they do
GERALD L MCFARLANE JRWhether it was through legal means or not is a different story, but there are ways around it, and ways to do it without being caught...including delivery to your doorstep.
Just sayin'. If one wants to break the law and risk doing time, over anything, there's very little anyone can do to stop it. The only answer is come down on them like a ton of bricks through the court system if and when they do.
BaltACDWhat we are witnessing all across America has been caused by a lack of Vetting, Training and Supervision
We agree on something!
Convicted OneI've got a belt buckle that offers unique benefits.
I think I get your "point." Aside from that I don't want to know nuthin'!
Flintlock76 Just a slight correction to your correction Gerald. First, is this what you're talking about? http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cell-phone-pistol-alert/ If so, I stand corrected, I wasn't aware of this. However, YOU, or me, or anyone else can't order them on-line unless you're a Federally licensed gun dealer. One can't order ANY gun on-line without Federal Firearms License, dealer variety, unless it's an antique, a replica of same (depending on state and local laws) or one listed as a "Curio or Relic" by the BATF, again depending on local laws. As far as guns are concerned local laws always take precedence over Federal if they're the stricter of the two. In addition to which, the seller needs a "hard copy" of your FFL on file before he can send you the firearm. So don't worry, the basement-dwelling gnome in pajamas who spends his days glued to the 'Net can't just order one because he wants one. Aside from that, no problem with your post.
Just a slight correction to your correction Gerald.
First, is this what you're talking about?
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cell-phone-pistol-alert/
If so, I stand corrected, I wasn't aware of this.
However, YOU, or me, or anyone else can't order them on-line unless you're a Federally licensed gun dealer. One can't order ANY gun on-line without Federal Firearms License, dealer variety, unless it's an antique, a replica of same (depending on state and local laws) or one listed as a "Curio or Relic" by the BATF, again depending on local laws. As far as guns are concerned local laws always take precedence over Federal if they're the stricter of the two.
In addition to which, the seller needs a "hard copy" of your FFL on file before he can send you the firearm.
So don't worry, the basement-dwelling gnome in pajamas who spends his days glued to the 'Net can't just order one because he wants one.
Aside from that, no problem with your post.
Never, ever say someone can't order something over the 'Net just because he wants one...there are always ways that your basement-dwelling gnome in pajama's could order one. Whether it was through legal means or not is a different story, but there are ways around it, and ways to do it without being caught...including delivery to your doorstep.
daveklepper Apparently, moves to re-open an economy seem to reverse the downward infection rate, but the lesson seems to be not to panic but take particular steps to control the spike in the specific locations and institutions where it occurs. At least that is the message I get, and I wonder if others agree.
Apparently, moves to re-open an economy seem to reverse the downward infection rate, but the lesson seems to be not to panic but take particular steps to control the spike in the specific locations and institutions where it occurs. At least that is the message I get, and I wonder if others agree.
Regarding the state of the pandemic and its trends, I don't get any clear message at all. The only message I get is this is not over yet, and if it seems to be ending, there will surely be another unsolvable problem ready to replace it.
Flintlock76So don't worry, the basement-dwelling gnome in pajamas who spends his days glued to the 'Net can't just order one because he wants one.
I've got a belt buckle that offers unique benefits.
What we are witnessing all across America has been caused by a lack of Vetting, Training and Supervision among the Police forces of the USA.
Vetting, Training, Supervision does not only apply to Amtrak - it applies to every form of human undertaking where the actions of a single individual have the power to affect many - directly or indirectly.
We are seeing policing organizations that say their job is to 'Protect and Serve' acting as if their mission is to 'Dominate and Destroy'. There is little wonder why the nation is in termoil over the death of George Floyd.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Regarding Palwatch, only one source, and I agree there are others. One can read what PLO, PA, and Hamas leaders say and do without necessaraily agreeing with the prescriptions of what to do about it. My own ideas are reserved for personal correspondance.
I have no problem with the previous two postings and agree that further discussions on the ethnic, religious, and political issues are not appropriate for this thread. And I think Charlie agrees as well.
Overmod.......I don't see why I or anyone else here have to stand for political discussions of precisely the kind that the TOS forbids for precisely the reasons now being demonstrated. They certainly have no further place in this particular thread going forward ...
Amen!!!
daveklepper do you best to learn what PLO, PA, and Hamas leaders teach their students and people in general. One possible source may be Palwatch.
I'll be very, very charitable here and say that when Itamar Marcus provides an investigative-journalism site describing all the issues with Israeli attitudes toward Palestinians I will start to believe that anything on Palwatch is better than self-serving propaganda. (Of course even propaganda can be of value in 'becoming aware' of issues and circumstances deserving further research, but objectivity and truth regarding anything large numbers of Palestinians might actually believe... or experience... certainly won't be derivable from such a source.)
While I certainly enjoy reading about Israeli railroading, and personally about Israeli responses to coronavirus, I don't see why I or anyone else here have to stand for political discussions of precisely the kind that the TOS forbids for precisely the reasons now being demonstrated. They certainly have no further place in this particular thread going forward ... whether provoked or otherwise, whether trolled or not. And I'm not saying that out of any pretense to be the 'forum police', either: we can and should be adult enough to self-regulate around what this forum is designed to facilitate and avoid what it isn't.
Dave K: I'll drop it if you will refrain from labeling the opinions RE today's Israel of myself and many others as falsehoods. You are entitled to have your opinion.
54light15 So- I can't order a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38 for $19.95?
So- I can't order a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38 for $19.95?
Nope, not since the 60's!
PS: Would you even want one? I wouldn't! Maybe a straight M1891 Mannlicher-Carcano like my grandfather carried in the First World War, but not the 91/38 variant.
OK folks this thread is out of control again, can we get it back on the Trains topic. I try to come here for relaxation. I actually do want to know more about railroading in the Middle Eastern countries as we do not get enough via regular news outlets on that.
I save this discussion for the CONFLICT OF NATIONS internet game (heh-heh) where it belongs. Look me up sometime there my screen name is JAN_FONDA. Usually the guy with the B-2 Stealth Bomber Wings and Gerald Ford Class Aircraft Carriers.......that everyone pleads for mercy from.
I answered you by copying what you wrote. Please check again. Admittadly, I simply wished to point out the specific sentence and did not copy it completely, just the first part.
Your first attack on me on this particiular thread was at the bottom of page seven regarding the China issue. You were supported in your falsehood by a another poster on page 8, but a third poster defended my point of view.
I did not respond to your falsehood until page 15 or 16, and then you attacked me for using data obtained by Gatestone which you labeled as a far-right anti-Islam organization because Georgetown University labels Gatestone as such. This is what started the continuing argument, and can we just leave it that: You agree with Georgetown U. and share their view of the conflict, and I do not agree with their point of view and believe it promotes terrorism. Georgetown maintains generally that Israelis are colonialists and the Arab Muslims thus have a prior right to the land. I do not expect you and those that support you and Georgetown to adopt my point of view, and hope we can drop the matter entirely, with you not expecting me to adopt Georgetown's point of view and yours. And I mean entirely.
Flintlock76 daveklepper The policeman thought the cellphone was a gun and that his li.fe waS IN DAnger They haven't been imported to this country since their configuration makes them automatically illegal, but there have been handguns made overseas disguised as cell phones for quite a while now. American law enforcement personnel have been warned about them for years, just in case some come in "under the radar."
daveklepper
The policeman thought the cellphone was a gun and that his li.fe waS IN DAnger
They haven't been imported to this country since their configuration makes them automatically illegal, but there have been handguns made overseas disguised as cell phones for quite a while now. American law enforcement personnel have been warned about them for years, just in case some come in "under the radar."
I'd like to make a correction to your statement, not all cell phone guns are illegal in the U.S., you can buy them online. They're just like pen guns and if they're illegal it's on a state by state basis, not nationally.
daveklepper I don't always agree with Bibi or what Israel does.. I defend myself. This website vis not intended to be the Forum for the Semitic family quarrel;. So why do YOU, not me, comntinuallky bring it up? Quoting you: "Then stop making posts preternding everyrthing Bibi and Israel does.....", ifv Again. stop accusing me and I won't have to upset ypu or Convicted by my replies. I don't base my replies on the Holocaust. I base them on the what PLO, PA. and Hamas leaders teach and tell their people to promote a holocaust now. The religion of the Mufti.
I don't always agree with Bibi or what Israel does.. I defend myself. This website vis not intended to be the Forum for the Semitic family quarrel;. So why do YOU, not me, comntinuallky bring it up?
Quoting you:
"Then stop making posts preternding everyrthing Bibi and Israel does.....", ifv
Again. stop accusing me and I won't have to upset ypu or Convicted by my replies.
I don't base my replies on the Holocaust. I base them on the what PLO, PA. and Hamas leaders teach and tell their people to promote a holocaust now. The religion of the Mufti.
Stop making false quotes of what I posted. If you are incapable of accurately cutting and pasting, then don't.
Discussing possible future railroad connections is a different matter entirely. That I may have initiated.
And I do try to answer sll accusations thoroughly, which often does take space.
Another false accusation. Go and review all my posts on this subject, and you will find that every one is a response to an accusation. Granted, I sometimes leave something out in a response and then return usually within a few minutes or the hour to add an additional comment. But I never ever initiated a discussion of this matter on any thread on this website, and you can check and see for yourself.
daveklepperThis website vis not intended to be the Forum for the Semitic family quarrel;. So why do YOU, not me, comntinuallky bring it up?
It seems that it is you who is continually bringing up Israel in these threads.
"Then stop making posts preternding everyrthing Bibi and Israel do....", ifv
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