Perhaps inject some Lysol, "what do you have to lose"?
blue streak 1 Here we aare just about 120 miles from the worse infection rate per population in the USA. What happens in Albany ga in the next three weeks is going to be very interesting. If it is bad we know that our governor has just commited political suicide. As well as any of his supporters ? EDIT" We need to hope that this covid-19 event will wake up the political establishment to the need to rebuild the CDC and FDA. Also the restocking and expansion of the needed medical equipment including PSE . That will only partially help our medical personel to meet the possible effects of a bio weapon attack on the world. What is changing the spread of the infection metric the most is the finding of earlier victims than the original patient 1 in Washington state. Probably will require some exumations
Here we aare just about 120 miles from the worse infection rate per population in the USA. What happens in Albany ga in the next three weeks is going to be very interesting. If it is bad we know that our governor has just commited political suicide. As well as any of his supporters ?
EDIT" We need to hope that this covid-19 event will wake up the political establishment to the need to rebuild the CDC and FDA. Also the restocking and expansion of the needed medical equipment including PSE . That will only partially help our medical personel to meet the possible effects of a bio weapon attack on the world.
What is changing the spread of the infection metric the most is the finding of earlier victims than the original patient 1 in Washington state. Probably will require some exumations
+1. Well said! My memory of Albany is from 35 years ago. Any clue as to why such a high infection rate?
54light15So Balt, are you a stable genius too? Do you like covfefe on your hamburders?
I don't claim to be a genius, stable or otherwise. Like bacon, lettuce, tomato & grilled onions on my 5 Guys burgers and prefer ice tea as my drink of preference.
I just pull s*** out my ass!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
So Balt, are you a stable genius too? Do you like covfefe on your hamburders?
Euclid BaltACD Euclid Some news has come to light which boggles my mind. We have long been hearing about the possibility of the virus originating from the P4 biological lab in Wuhan. But the original explanation was that it originated from bats sold at the wet market. Now that origin seems to be dismissed because it is said that the wet market has never sold bats, and the overall conclusion now is that the wet market is not the source of the virus. So the focus is now on the lab as being the source of the virus. All along, the lab has been referred to in oblique and faraway terms as though we don’t know much about it. But now comes the story that the U.S. was there funding the lab to some extent and working in it with the Chinese on coronavirus from bats. We were there along with an international consortium of scientists, and were experimenting with coronavirus from bats. This astounding news is at least a couple weeks old and probably was available right from the start. Yet I have not heard a peep about it until yesterday. This news is stunning and it raises a lot questions since we must know a lot about that lab and the chances of the virus originating there. Since we are getting into 'science fiction' or 'fictional science' why not throw Fort Detrick and their research into chemical and biological warfare into the mix. I wouldn't discount the Russian chemical and biological warfare units either. There is nothing science fiction about if you care to read the news. We help fund that P4 Lab in Wuhan. Trump made the news a couple days ago by pulling our funding from the lab. Just because you have not heard about it does not mean it is just a conspriacy theory.
BaltACD Euclid Some news has come to light which boggles my mind. We have long been hearing about the possibility of the virus originating from the P4 biological lab in Wuhan. But the original explanation was that it originated from bats sold at the wet market. Now that origin seems to be dismissed because it is said that the wet market has never sold bats, and the overall conclusion now is that the wet market is not the source of the virus. So the focus is now on the lab as being the source of the virus. All along, the lab has been referred to in oblique and faraway terms as though we don’t know much about it. But now comes the story that the U.S. was there funding the lab to some extent and working in it with the Chinese on coronavirus from bats. We were there along with an international consortium of scientists, and were experimenting with coronavirus from bats. This astounding news is at least a couple weeks old and probably was available right from the start. Yet I have not heard a peep about it until yesterday. This news is stunning and it raises a lot questions since we must know a lot about that lab and the chances of the virus originating there. Since we are getting into 'science fiction' or 'fictional science' why not throw Fort Detrick and their research into chemical and biological warfare into the mix. I wouldn't discount the Russian chemical and biological warfare units either.
Euclid Some news has come to light which boggles my mind. We have long been hearing about the possibility of the virus originating from the P4 biological lab in Wuhan. But the original explanation was that it originated from bats sold at the wet market. Now that origin seems to be dismissed because it is said that the wet market has never sold bats, and the overall conclusion now is that the wet market is not the source of the virus. So the focus is now on the lab as being the source of the virus. All along, the lab has been referred to in oblique and faraway terms as though we don’t know much about it. But now comes the story that the U.S. was there funding the lab to some extent and working in it with the Chinese on coronavirus from bats. We were there along with an international consortium of scientists, and were experimenting with coronavirus from bats. This astounding news is at least a couple weeks old and probably was available right from the start. Yet I have not heard a peep about it until yesterday. This news is stunning and it raises a lot questions since we must know a lot about that lab and the chances of the virus originating there.
All along, the lab has been referred to in oblique and faraway terms as though we don’t know much about it. But now comes the story that the U.S. was there funding the lab to some extent and working in it with the Chinese on coronavirus from bats. We were there along with an international consortium of scientists, and were experimenting with coronavirus from bats.
This astounding news is at least a couple weeks old and probably was available right from the start. Yet I have not heard a peep about it until yesterday. This news is stunning and it raises a lot questions since we must know a lot about that lab and the chances of the virus originating there.
Since we are getting into 'science fiction' or 'fictional science' why not throw Fort Detrick and their research into chemical and biological warfare into the mix. I wouldn't discount the Russian chemical and biological warfare units either.
There is nothing science fiction about if you care to read the news. We help fund that P4 Lab in Wuhan. Trump made the news a couple days ago by pulling our funding from the lab. Just because you have not heard about it does not mean it is just a conspriacy theory.
I get my conspiracy theories the same place the President does - the flatulance that exits my body. Both theories have the same foundation in facts.
charlie hebdoHere's another utterly idiotic idea. Stupid is as stupid does
Stupid is as stupid does
It does have to be said that there is something of a parallel in some of the hematoporphyrin approaches for, say, hemangioma treatment; if you've ever held your thumb over a flashlight you'll be surprised at how well some wavelengths penetrate tissue...
Of course our First Virologist/Epidemiologist had to brainstorm about mass quantities of UV ... something that even a little reflection for someone of his complexion would have shown up as more a burning question than a technical answer...
Did he actually progress to injections of chemical disinfectant? I didn't have the heart to read past the 'do you want to know more' fadeout.
From Jewishwebsite.com:
Israel’s coronavirus death toll currently stands at 191, the country’s Health Ministry reported on Thursday, with 14,592 confirmed cases of infection since the start of the pandemic.
There are currently 136 COVID-19 patients in critical condition (a three-person drop since Wednesday), of which 107 on ventilators (compared to 113 on Wednesday), according to the ministry. At least 112 patients are in moderate condition, while 8,819 have mild symptoms.
As of Thursday morning, 5,334 Israelis have recovered from the virus, with the recovery rate having exceeded the infection rate for the eighth day in a row.
Just because Trump and Faux News clowns like Hannity have been pushing this story, along with hydroxychlroquine, doesn't make it factual.
Factions? You mean scientists Vs hucksters?
Here's another utterly idiotic idea.
EuclidSome news has come to light which boggles my mind. We have long been hearing about the possibility of the virus originating from the P4 biological lab in Wuhan. But the original explanation was that it originated from bats sold at the wet market. Now that origin seems to be dismissed because it is said that the wet market has never sold bats, and the overall conclusion now is that the wet market is not the source of the virus. So the focus is now on the lab as being the source of the virus. All along, the lab has been referred to in oblique and faraway terms as though we don’t know much about it. But now comes the story that the U.S. was there funding the lab to some extent and working in it with the Chinese on coronavirus from bats. We were there along with an international consortium of scientists, and were experimenting with coronavirus from bats. This astounding news is at least a couple weeks old and probably was available right from the start. Yet I have not heard a peep about it until yesterday. This news is stunning and it raises a lot questions since we must know a lot about that lab and the chances of the virus originating there.
Some news has come to light which boggles my mind. We have long been hearing about the possibility of the virus originating from the P4 biological lab in Wuhan. But the original explanation was that it originated from bats sold at the wet market. Now that origin seems to be dismissed because it is said that the wet market has never sold bats, and the overall conclusion now is that the wet market is not the source of the virus. So the focus is now on the lab as being the source of the virus.
And, to paint a full picture, what if your employer has been a skeptic from day one, has felt that the shelter-in-place and isolation guidelines have been a farce, so he's been out there making contact, shaking hands, and sharing meals with goodness knows how many different people AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO....but now you are being compelled to come back and work under the same roof with this person? How is that "free to choose"? Sounds more like Russian roulette with someone else pulling the trigger.
Euclidbut the most interesting part is that the SIP faction has a connected self-interest in the non-SIP faction's personal activity because that activity might spread infection that comes to land on members of the SIP faction.
Another aspect.....so long as the shelter in place requirement is official policy, then jobs are protected.
If I feel I am at risk, and prefer to shelter, but the state is opening up and my employer wants me back at work...I face a particularly thorny decision.
This is like no one knows how thin the ice might be, so the prisoners are being marched out in front of the advancing column at gun point.
Euclid I am waiting to see what happens with Georgia. What is unique in this is that lifting the lockdowns does not require the non-riskers to return to work and take risk. They are free to stay home. But they cannot tolerate the riskers going back to work because that could threaten the safety of the non-riskers. So the non-riskers see their constitutional rights as including the right to force the riskers to give up their right to return to work.
I am waiting to see what happens with Georgia. What is unique in this is that lifting the lockdowns does not require the non-riskers to return to work and take risk. They are free to stay home. But they cannot tolerate the riskers going back to work because that could threaten the safety of the non-riskers. So the non-riskers see their constitutional rights as including the right to force the riskers to give up their right to return to work.
I agree, it will be worth watching. Govenor that the Cheeto helped get elected heard him pitch the thought that the economy needs to be helped by removing the SIP restrictions and decided that his followers would be happy so he did. Yesterday, the Cheeto pulled the rug out from under him by saying that would be a dumb idea and too soon. I feel for the medical professionals who will bear the brunt of the burden of caring for the cases that result from the increase in cases.
EuclidOur conflict with China and the conflict between Trump supporters and Democrats may get violent about the same time, and that is likely to be about the time of the election. These two different conflicts are independent, spontaneous reactions to the virus pandemic.
The china crap is just a distraction of how ill-prepared this country is, esp. concerning health care matters. Why else do you think so many politicians want people to go back to work?
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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I think we are heading for a conflict with China. At the same time, we have Trump supporters and the Democrats heading for conflict. I think the course of these two conflicts will have them both arrive at about the same time. The conflict with China is the huge issue of whether China may have intended to cause harm. Trump is hovering on the verge of that conclusion. Peter Navarro is no doubt egging him on. That would be a monstrous charge. We would be outraged. We would make demands for reparations and give China ultimatums. Tensions would go sky high, and something would cause a spark.
The conflict with Democrats versus Trump and his supporters is the feeling that the two sides are pitted against each other not only in basic political ideology, but also correspondingly pitted against each other in how they view risk taking with the virus. For the most part, the democrats are the non-risk takers, and the Trump people are the risk takers. It also divides among young and old because the old are at greater risk, so they don't want to take any risk.
And the risks taken by one side can endanger the other faction, which are the non-risk takers. Risk takers want to go back to work. Non-risk takers say the risk takers are risking lives for capitalism. The non-risk takers now have the legal right to demand that the risk takers do not go to work. So it is as if Democrats suddenly have a legal right to force Trump supporters to obey the Democrats. That is exactly what this feels like. The virus is serving as the catalyst to propel these two factions head-on into each other. The virus has raised the stakes of the basic political disagreement, and so now they must physically fight each other.
Our conflict with China and the conflict between Trump supporters and Democrats may get violent about the same time, and that is likely to be about the time of the election. These two different conflicts are independent, spontaneous reactions to the virus pandemic.
Euclid BaltACD The reality of this entire situation - there is still more we DON"T KNOW about Covid-19 than what we do know. We don't know if immunity is a lasting condition.We don't have a scientifficly proven successful treatment.We don't have a vaccine.We don't fully understand what is happening to those who contract and are debilitated by the virus versus those that are walking around in a asymptomatic condition. We also don't know whether the lockdowns and distancing/sanitizing are slowing the spread.
BaltACD The reality of this entire situation - there is still more we DON"T KNOW about Covid-19 than what we do know. We don't know if immunity is a lasting condition.We don't have a scientifficly proven successful treatment.We don't have a vaccine.We don't fully understand what is happening to those who contract and are debilitated by the virus versus those that are walking around in a asymptomatic condition.
The reality of this entire situation - there is still more we DON"T KNOW about Covid-19 than what we do know.
We don't know if immunity is a lasting condition.We don't have a scientifficly proven successful treatment.We don't have a vaccine.We don't fully understand what is happening to those who contract and are debilitated by the virus versus those that are walking around in a asymptomatic condition.
We also don't know whether the lockdowns and distancing/sanitizing are slowing the spread.
Why don't you be the guinea pig? Your group can be called the "Business Trumps Death" group.
EuclidWe also don't know whether the lockdowns and distancing/sanitizing are slowing the spread.
Well, Georgia gets to be the nation's guinea pig.
Convicted One Conspiracy theory is a fascinating arena. Just because a group of people works towards it's common best interest, does not prove a conspiracy. But a lack of proof does not prove that no conspiracy was in place either. Personally, I find myself most likely to give groups or individuals who I see as highly intelligent credit for possibly having a second agenda. So in a way, it's complimentary.
Conspiracy theory is a fascinating arena.
Just because a group of people works towards it's common best interest, does not prove a conspiracy. But a lack of proof does not prove that no conspiracy was in place either.
Personally, I find myself most likely to give groups or individuals who I see as highly intelligent credit for possibly having a second agenda. So in a way, it's complimentary.
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From Dave's link above:
"He [Larry Kudlow] said the White House is also considering asking Congress to provide liability protection for employers in case their workers or customers fall sick."
I saw that coming. That ought to be good for another $2-trillion of public funding. But of course it will be great stimulus (not). We need all the ways possible to spend money now to fix the economy. Everybody knows what a task it will be to find ways to spend money. We will dump it out of airplanes to re-seed the economy with prosperity.
URL for the whole story:
Trump shifts from raising alarms to reopening; Poll shows few Americans support easing restrictions
The Trump administration has embraced a tectonic shift in its message about the coronavirus after weeks of raising alarms about the dangers of exposure to the virus in their effort to persuade Americans to stay at home.
President Donald Trump is now aiming for a swift nationwide reopening, and with that comes the challenge of convincing an unnerved population it will be safe to resume their normal lives, reports Zeke Miller.
AP-NORC Poll: A survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds Americans remain overwhelmingly in favor of stay-at-home orders and other efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus. A majority say it won’t be safe to lift such restrictions anytime soon.
Convicted One BaltACD The problem is where are they leading - normal or the cemetary. Seems the two extremes are determined to control the narrative, on one side you've got the people pushing to reopen everything, just so they can chase the almighty dollar. They are convinced that shelter in place is a farce and an unfair imposition on their inner "harvey hustlebuck" On the other extreme, you have the overtly cautious, who are willing to stay the course, prioritize saving everylast life that is possible, who feel that reopening the economy is suicide.
BaltACD The problem is where are they leading - normal or the cemetary.
Seems the two extremes are determined to control the narrative, on one side you've got the people pushing to reopen everything, just so they can chase the almighty dollar. They are convinced that shelter in place is a farce and an unfair imposition on their inner "harvey hustlebuck"
On the other extreme, you have the overtly cautious, who are willing to stay the course, prioritize saving everylast life that is possible, who feel that reopening the economy is suicide.
These two factions are on opposite sides of the debate, but the most interesting part is that the SIP faction has a connected self-interest in the non-SIP faction's personal activity because that activity might spread infection that comes to land on members of the SIP faction. So, the non-SIP faction is not allowed to do as they want and say their business is their business. This collision of interests is likely to lead to violence between the two factions.
Also, the stress will be far greater between the SIP faction and the Governor of Georgia.
Convicted OneHopefully there will be checks and balances in place if things turn for the worse. I look forward to the outcome. Georgia can be the canary in the coal mine.
Georgia can be the canary in the coal mine.
Kemp's political affiliation no longer believes in checks and balances or science for that matter.
My prediction? Atlanta will boil over with new cases, and the talking heads will blame the democratic mayor.
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