Bad train pictures

[doghouse]

I have a question and, more that likely, its been asked before. Plus, I was too lazy to search this thread to see if was asked before so here it goes. How and where did the term "fallen flag" arise and how did it become associated with railroads that have been absorbed into others.

[doghouse]

I have a question and, more that likely, its been asked before. Plus, I was too lazy to search this thread to see if was asked before so here it goes. How and where did the term "fallen flag" arise and how did it become associated with railroads that have been absorbed into others.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

QUOTE: Originally posted by doghouse

I have a question and, more that likely, its been asked before. Plus, I was too lazy to search this thread to see if was asked before so here it goes. How and where did the term "fallen flag" arise and how did it become associated with railroads that have been absorbed into others.

The term "fallen flag" was coined by the editorial staff of TRAINS as part of a delightful series of articles which ran around 1980. The articles were a series of photos with capsule descriptions of various Class I railroads which had been merged into other carriers or abandoned. It is probably a play off of Wabash's old flag herald, which passed out of existence into N&W on October 15, 1964.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

QUOTE: Originally posted by doghouse

I have a question and, more that likely, its been asked before. Plus, I was too lazy to search this thread to see if was asked before so here it goes. How and where did the term "fallen flag" arise and how did it become associated with railroads that have been absorbed into others.

The term "fallen flag" was coined by the editorial staff of TRAINS as part of a delightful series of articles which ran around 1980. The articles were a series of photos with capsule descriptions of various Class I railroads which had been merged into other carriers or abandoned. It is probably a play off of Wabash's old flag herald, which passed out of existence into N&W on October 15, 1964.

[CShaveRR]

Actually, Dave, there are small supports under the inboard side of the bearings that hold them to the trucks in most cases.

[CShaveRR]

Actually, Dave, there are small supports under the inboard side of the bearings that hold them to the trucks in most cases.

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by egmurphy

Unless I'm off in my calculation, you'll have an opportunity to vote for our next president in 2008.


Regards

Ed

Of course it s off!
You mean 2006 right??

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by egmurphy

Unless I'm off in my calculation, you'll have an opportunity to vote for our next president in 2008.


Regards

Ed

Of course it s off!
You mean 2006 right??

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The only thing that holds a freight car on the trucks is gravity. There is a circular indentation in the top of the truck that mates with a circular casting on the bottom of the bolster.

The same thing with the wheels on a modern roller bearing truck. Some trucks have a keeper block that keeps the axle in the truck, but many times the truck is just sitting on the axles. If you pick up the car, the trucks stay on the track, if you pick up the truck frames the wheels and axles stay on the tracks.

Dave H.

IIRC from a CSX hazmat car orientation, the lack of fastening of the truck and the wheels is partly by design - if they part company with a tank car during a derailment, they are less likely to puncture said tank car.

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The only thing that holds a freight car on the trucks is gravity. There is a circular indentation in the top of the truck that mates with a circular casting on the bottom of the bolster.

The same thing with the wheels on a modern roller bearing truck. Some trucks have a keeper block that keeps the axle in the truck, but many times the truck is just sitting on the axles. If you pick up the car, the trucks stay on the track, if you pick up the truck frames the wheels and axles stay on the tracks.

Dave H.

IIRC from a CSX hazmat car orientation, the lack of fastening of the truck and the wheels is partly by design - if they part company with a tank car during a derailment, they are less likely to puncture said tank car.

[Junctionfan]

Which company produces the most sulfuric acid and sends it by rail? Who the greatest consumer of it by rail?

[Junctionfan]

Which company produces the most sulfuric acid and sends it by rail? Who the greatest consumer of it by rail?

[egmurphy]

QUOTE: coborn35: Of course it s off! You mean 2006 right??

Unless my memory is getting even worse that it used to be (a distinct possibility), it seems to me we voted for President last year, 2004. With a four year term that would make the next presidential election 2008. Mid-term elections in 2006 for representatives and 1/3 of the senators.

Or did you leave out a smiley in your response? I'm not good at pickinging up on humor.

Regards

Ed

[egmurphy]

QUOTE: coborn35: Of course it s off! You mean 2006 right??

Unless my memory is getting even worse that it used to be (a distinct possibility), it seems to me we voted for President last year, 2004. With a four year term that would make the next presidential election 2008. Mid-term elections in 2006 for representatives and 1/3 of the senators.

Or did you leave out a smiley in your response? I'm not good at pickinging up on humor.

Regards

Ed

[Anonymous]

Some railroad employees clock in and clock out and are paid an hourly wage. I had heard at one time that train crews were paid by the mile. The last figure I remember hearing (years ago of course) was 120 miles. Many times we hear of a crew hogging out, so how do they figure miles or hours for a crew that hogs out? What is a train's crew normal pay, what is their overtime pay?

[Anonymous]

Some railroad employees clock in and clock out and are paid an hourly wage. I had heard at one time that train crews were paid by the mile. The last figure I remember hearing (years ago of course) was 120 miles. Many times we hear of a crew hogging out, so how do they figure miles or hours for a crew that hogs out? What is a train's crew normal pay, what is their overtime pay?

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

As a general rule, yard crews are paid hourly and road crews are paid by mileage. I'm not sure sure of overtime provisions for road crews, perhaps a Brotherhood member could enlighten us in this regard. Hogging out usually means hitting the 12-hour limit under the Hours of Service Act.

Supervisors are on salary, and get paid the same no matter how many hours they work.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

As a general rule, yard crews are paid hourly and road crews are paid by mileage. I'm not sure sure of overtime provisions for road crews, perhaps a Brotherhood member could enlighten us in this regard. Hogging out usually means hitting the 12-hour limit under the Hours of Service Act.

Supervisors are on salary, and get paid the same no matter how many hours they work.

[Mikeygaw]

i sometimes hear a high-pitched whine coming from a FRED... is this normal or is it indicative of something wrong?

[Mikeygaw]

i sometimes hear a high-pitched whine coming from a FRED... is this normal or is it indicative of something wrong?

[edblysard]

Air powered Fred, has a small, turbine like generator for power running off the train line, also charges a small battery in the Fred.

Ed

[edblysard]

Air powered Fred, has a small, turbine like generator for power running off the train line, also charges a small battery in the Fred.

Ed

[Murphy Siding]

Okay, I'm feeling rather stupid...ergo ( a new word I learned from futuremodal-don't know what it means,but.....it is a cool sounding word, nonetheless) when I am hard at work, I can hear the Dakota & Iowa Railroad rock train rumble through town three blocks up the street. While hauling a mile of empty gondolas back to Dell Rapids, S.D., the train has to climb a good sized hill in Sioux Falls. The engines, a half dozen old geeps,will *rev up* into a higher running speed. I would think they would notch up the engines to climb a major hill, but this is done at least 1/2 mile before the hill starts? What is the engineer doing?

[Murphy Siding]

Okay, I'm feeling rather stupid...ergo ( a new word I learned from futuremodal-don't know what it means,but.....it is a cool sounding word, nonetheless) when I am hard at work, I can hear the Dakota & Iowa Railroad rock train rumble through town three blocks up the street. While hauling a mile of empty gondolas back to Dell Rapids, S.D., the train has to climb a good sized hill in Sioux Falls. The engines, a half dozen old geeps,will *rev up* into a higher running speed. I would think they would notch up the engines to climb a major hill, but this is done at least 1/2 mile before the hill starts? What is the engineer doing?

[Modelcar]

.........Doesn't it sound "normal" getting a "run" for the hill....with any kind of transportation conveyance.....

[Modelcar]

.........Doesn't it sound "normal" getting a "run" for the hill....with any kind of transportation conveyance.....

[Mark300]

Momentum & inertia!

Means different things to different kinds of transportation conveyance....and railroads, given their different geography, assignments, train lengths and so forth are no exception.

That revv'g up of the engines is the 'magic' I hear when the challenge of mak'n the hill is at hand!

Happy Railroading

Mark

[Mark300]

Momentum & inertia!

Means different things to different kinds of transportation conveyance....and railroads, given their different geography, assignments, train lengths and so forth are no exception.

That revv'g up of the engines is the 'magic' I hear when the challenge of mak'n the hill is at hand!

Happy Railroading

Mark

[Murphy Siding]

Wow! I guess that really was a stupid question![:I]. Is it common to start puttin' her into high gear 1/2 mile or more before the hill? And why do they seem to go from super low gear to top notch all at once?

[Murphy Siding]

Wow! I guess that really was a stupid question![:I]. Is it common to start puttin' her into high gear 1/2 mile or more before the hill? And why do they seem to go from super low gear to top notch all at once?