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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

I was always curious about this......

jhhtrainsplanes what type of ships do the various Japanese flags represent in that picture in your posts?



IF I can remember correctly:

the 12 "flags" on the left and right hand border are merchant ships,

the 5 bars with a star in them are pilots successfully rescued (an important task of a sub).

the 2 large stars in the bottom border are Japanese warships

I am not sure about the 2 large flags on each side of the warship flags.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

I was always curious about this......

jhhtrainsplanes what type of ships do the various Japanese flags represent in that picture in your posts?



IF I can remember correctly:

the 12 "flags" on the left and right hand border are merchant ships,

the 5 bars with a star in them are pilots successfully rescued (an important task of a sub).

the 2 large stars in the bottom border are Japanese warships

I am not sure about the 2 large flags on each side of the warship flags.
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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:55 PM
I have a question.... On all of the class one railroads except for KCS and except for class one railroads operating in Wissconsin (spelling) do you have to become a quilified RCO before you can become a locomotive engineer or is that an option?? I've heard rommers of this.
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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:55 PM
I have a question.... On all of the class one railroads except for KCS and except for class one railroads operating in Wissconsin (spelling) do you have to become a quilified RCO before you can become a locomotive engineer or is that an option?? I've heard rommers of this.
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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:32 PM
The Large Rising Sun on a white, or blank background...troop ships.
The Rising Sun with Rays, Naval Vessels.
Stars on bars, US flyers,
Small Rising Sun on White background, Merchant Shipping.
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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:32 PM
The Large Rising Sun on a white, or blank background...troop ships.
The Rising Sun with Rays, Naval Vessels.
Stars on bars, US flyers,
Small Rising Sun on White background, Merchant Shipping.
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Posted by Sterling1 on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by gacuster

In several threads older GE diesel locomotives are often referred to in a derogatory manner. What characteristics made them worse than EMD units?


They take forever to load.



If that's true, then what's the best loco that can load real quick, or is that just opinion?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by gacuster

In several threads older GE diesel locomotives are often referred to in a derogatory manner. What characteristics made them worse than EMD units?


They take forever to load.



If that's true, then what's the best loco that can load real quick, or is that just opinion?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....
Gee, was surprised to see this once very popular thread again....

It's a good place for us to enter all kinds of subjects.




Q [:)]

It sure is a very good place to ask question. It might even cut down on the number of threads that might be posted.

If you have a question, ask it here. [;)]



i guess it isn't much of a "stupid question thread" anymore , eh?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....
Gee, was surprised to see this once very popular thread again....

It's a good place for us to enter all kinds of subjects.




Q [:)]

It sure is a very good place to ask question. It might even cut down on the number of threads that might be posted.

If you have a question, ask it here. [;)]



i guess it isn't much of a "stupid question thread" anymore , eh?
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Posted by cpbloom on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:56 PM
Well it never really was a stupid question thread; it always has some good Q & As.

Thanks edblysard and jhtrainsplanes for answering my question [:)]
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Posted by cpbloom on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:56 PM
Well it never really was a stupid question thread; it always has some good Q & As.

Thanks edblysard and jhtrainsplanes for answering my question [:)]
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Posted by Sterling1 on Monday, August 22, 2005 12:34 AM
I have a question: UP is going to upgrade the Kate Shelley Bridge. Where did the name Kate Shelley come from?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Monday, August 22, 2005 12:34 AM
I have a question: UP is going to upgrade the Kate Shelley Bridge. Where did the name Kate Shelley come from?
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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Monday, August 22, 2005 5:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

I was always curious about this......

jhhtrainsplanes what type of ships do the various Japanese flags represent in that picture in your posts?



IF I can remember correctly:

the 12 "flags" on the left and right hand border are merchant ships,

the 5 bars with a star in them are pilots successfully rescued (an important task of a sub).

the 2 large stars in the bottom border are Japanese warships

I am not sure about the 2 large flags on each side of the warship flags.



Don't you think that Japanese members of this forum (if there are any) might find this slightly offensive??
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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Monday, August 22, 2005 5:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

I was always curious about this......

jhhtrainsplanes what type of ships do the various Japanese flags represent in that picture in your posts?



IF I can remember correctly:

the 12 "flags" on the left and right hand border are merchant ships,

the 5 bars with a star in them are pilots successfully rescued (an important task of a sub).

the 2 large stars in the bottom border are Japanese warships

I am not sure about the 2 large flags on each side of the warship flags.



Don't you think that Japanese members of this forum (if there are any) might find this slightly offensive??
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Posted by edblysard on Monday, August 22, 2005 5:42 AM
No, not any more offensive that the recent blitz of TV shows about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the constant use of the Swastika in reference to Germans that you also see on TV...Note the media has pointed out the new Pope was a member of a Nazi youth group...so, should all Jews be offended?

WWII happened, for several reasons that would take forever to debate, but it still happened.
To not acknowledge that, or the sacrifices made on all side of the conflict, is to attempt to rewrite, or ignore our history.
Neither option strikes me as a good idea.
If any Japanese, or Japanese Americans take offense to the photo, sorry, but it did happen, many people, on both side of the Pacific theater, lost their lives, and regardless of who won, or who lost, we should never attempt to hide it.

The Japanese have a very well done, tasteful, and moving museum in Hiroshima, chronicling both their version of WWII, and the atomic bomb and its aftermath.

Trust me, if you ever get a chance to visit it, well, after viewing the images there, and looking at the artifacts, when you leave, you find it hard to look any Japanese in the eyes for a long time.

What was unleashed over those two cities should never, ever be let lose again.


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Posted by edblysard on Monday, August 22, 2005 5:42 AM
No, not any more offensive that the recent blitz of TV shows about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the constant use of the Swastika in reference to Germans that you also see on TV...Note the media has pointed out the new Pope was a member of a Nazi youth group...so, should all Jews be offended?

WWII happened, for several reasons that would take forever to debate, but it still happened.
To not acknowledge that, or the sacrifices made on all side of the conflict, is to attempt to rewrite, or ignore our history.
Neither option strikes me as a good idea.
If any Japanese, or Japanese Americans take offense to the photo, sorry, but it did happen, many people, on both side of the Pacific theater, lost their lives, and regardless of who won, or who lost, we should never attempt to hide it.

The Japanese have a very well done, tasteful, and moving museum in Hiroshima, chronicling both their version of WWII, and the atomic bomb and its aftermath.

Trust me, if you ever get a chance to visit it, well, after viewing the images there, and looking at the artifacts, when you leave, you find it hard to look any Japanese in the eyes for a long time.

What was unleashed over those two cities should never, ever be let lose again.


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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 10:55 PM
I too have visited the Hiroshima Peace Park and found it to be very disturbing but unlike you Ed, I did not feel any real sorry for the people who lost their lives there. After all, when you consider the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march and the Japanese treatment of prisioners of war and even Pearl Harbor, I felt they had brought it on themselves.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 10:55 PM
I too have visited the Hiroshima Peace Park and found it to be very disturbing but unlike you Ed, I did not feel any real sorry for the people who lost their lives there. After all, when you consider the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march and the Japanese treatment of prisioners of war and even Pearl Harbor, I felt they had brought it on themselves.
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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:22 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeygaw

i've seen with my own eyes on an NS coil car Protect II and pics of Protect III on NS coil cars... what is Protect II and Protect III?


I'm not sure what the differences between the "II" and the "III" (and the "I", if there is such a thing) are, but PROTECT is an acronym used by NS to describe these cars and their covers:

PROtected TEmperature Coil Transport

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:22 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeygaw

i've seen with my own eyes on an NS coil car Protect II and pics of Protect III on NS coil cars... what is Protect II and Protect III?


I'm not sure what the differences between the "II" and the "III" (and the "I", if there is such a thing) are, but PROTECT is an acronym used by NS to describe these cars and their covers:

PROtected TEmperature Coil Transport

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:13 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by crystelriverRR

I too have visited the Hiroshima Peace Park and found it to be very disturbing but unlike you Ed, I did not feel any real sorry for the people who lost their lives there. After all, when you consider the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march and the Japanese treatment of prisioners of war and even Pearl Harbor, I felt they had brought it on themselves.

WRONG WRONG WRONG
The civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were no more responsible for the above mentioned atrocities than the civilians of the US are responsible for the atrocities we are perpetuating in Iraq. Maybe even less so, since "we" (meaning the majority) elected the war-mongering president.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:13 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by crystelriverRR

I too have visited the Hiroshima Peace Park and found it to be very disturbing but unlike you Ed, I did not feel any real sorry for the people who lost their lives there. After all, when you consider the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march and the Japanese treatment of prisioners of war and even Pearl Harbor, I felt they had brought it on themselves.

WRONG WRONG WRONG
The civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were no more responsible for the above mentioned atrocities than the civilians of the US are responsible for the atrocities we are perpetuating in Iraq. Maybe even less so, since "we" (meaning the majority) elected the war-mongering president.
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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:35 AM
As for upgrading the Kate Shelley Bridge, that was done a few years back. It was always a double-track structure, but for many years was limited to one train crossing it at a time. UP strengthened it so both tracks on the bridge can be occupied simultaneously.

But the reports out there suggest that the bridge is due to be replaced by a new two-track structure, utilizing steel from the former MILW crossing of the same river. These reports (maybe they shouldn't be considered more than rumors at this point) say that the existing bridge will be retained, with one track remaining on it, to serve as a siding/bypass route.

Slight correction to the Kate Shelley legend reported above--it was a smaller bridge that had washed out (or collapsed under the weight of a locomotive), and it was the Des Moines River Bridge (a predecessor to the current one, on a different, and much lower, alingment) that Kate had to crawl across to reach the station at Moingona, where the train could be stopped.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:35 AM
As for upgrading the Kate Shelley Bridge, that was done a few years back. It was always a double-track structure, but for many years was limited to one train crossing it at a time. UP strengthened it so both tracks on the bridge can be occupied simultaneously.

But the reports out there suggest that the bridge is due to be replaced by a new two-track structure, utilizing steel from the former MILW crossing of the same river. These reports (maybe they shouldn't be considered more than rumors at this point) say that the existing bridge will be retained, with one track remaining on it, to serve as a siding/bypass route.

Slight correction to the Kate Shelley legend reported above--it was a smaller bridge that had washed out (or collapsed under the weight of a locomotive), and it was the Des Moines River Bridge (a predecessor to the current one, on a different, and much lower, alingment) that Kate had to crawl across to reach the station at Moingona, where the train could be stopped.

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Posted by SALfan on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

No, not any more offensive that the recent blitz of TV shows about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the constant use of the Swastika in reference to Germans that you also see on TV...Note the media has pointed out the new Pope was a member of a Nazi youth group...so, should all Jews be offended?

WWII happened, for several reasons that would take forever to debate, but it still happened.
To not acknowledge that, or the sacrifices made on all side of the conflict, is to attempt to rewrite, or ignore our history.
Neither option strikes me as a good idea.
If any Japanese, or Japanese Americans take offense to the photo, sorry, but it did happen, many people, on both side of the Pacific theater, lost their lives, and regardless of who won, or who lost, we should never attempt to hide it.

The Japanese have a very well done, tasteful, and moving museum in Hiroshima, chronicling both their version of WWII, and the atomic bomb and its aftermath.

Trust me, if you ever get a chance to visit it, well, after viewing the images there, and looking at the artifacts, when you leave, you find it hard to look any Japanese in the eyes for a long time.

What was unleashed over those two cities should never, ever be let lose again.


Ed



Guess it's my turn to ruffle some feathers. Thank you, Ed, for saying this. I get SO tired of Americans who feel guilty about winning the war, and foreigners who try to make us feel guilty for winning it.

I also get SO tired of people who criticize the U.S. for dropping the atomic bombs. My father participated in the invasion of Okinawa, and carried the psychological scars of that experience for the rest of his life. When the bombs were dropped, he was waiting to get on a ship and be part of the forces to invade Japan. It is quite possible that he would have been one of the 500,000+ casualties the military estimated that invasion would cost. Am I sorry the bombs were dropped? Not on your life.

I have no desire to offend anyone, Japanese or otherwise, unless they are part of the revisionist/guiltmonger groups mentioned above. Whatever their reasons for doing so, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor with no warning, when a state of war did not exist between the U.S. and Japan. They started the fight, we ended it.
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Posted by SALfan on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

No, not any more offensive that the recent blitz of TV shows about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the constant use of the Swastika in reference to Germans that you also see on TV...Note the media has pointed out the new Pope was a member of a Nazi youth group...so, should all Jews be offended?

WWII happened, for several reasons that would take forever to debate, but it still happened.
To not acknowledge that, or the sacrifices made on all side of the conflict, is to attempt to rewrite, or ignore our history.
Neither option strikes me as a good idea.
If any Japanese, or Japanese Americans take offense to the photo, sorry, but it did happen, many people, on both side of the Pacific theater, lost their lives, and regardless of who won, or who lost, we should never attempt to hide it.

The Japanese have a very well done, tasteful, and moving museum in Hiroshima, chronicling both their version of WWII, and the atomic bomb and its aftermath.

Trust me, if you ever get a chance to visit it, well, after viewing the images there, and looking at the artifacts, when you leave, you find it hard to look any Japanese in the eyes for a long time.

What was unleashed over those two cities should never, ever be let lose again.


Ed



Guess it's my turn to ruffle some feathers. Thank you, Ed, for saying this. I get SO tired of Americans who feel guilty about winning the war, and foreigners who try to make us feel guilty for winning it.

I also get SO tired of people who criticize the U.S. for dropping the atomic bombs. My father participated in the invasion of Okinawa, and carried the psychological scars of that experience for the rest of his life. When the bombs were dropped, he was waiting to get on a ship and be part of the forces to invade Japan. It is quite possible that he would have been one of the 500,000+ casualties the military estimated that invasion would cost. Am I sorry the bombs were dropped? Not on your life.

I have no desire to offend anyone, Japanese or otherwise, unless they are part of the revisionist/guiltmonger groups mentioned above. Whatever their reasons for doing so, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor with no warning, when a state of war did not exist between the U.S. and Japan. They started the fight, we ended it.
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Posted by Sterling1 on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:16 PM

I'm not too sure if you've seen anything like this but here goes:

On a railfaning walk'round at night in FL (actually north of downtown Orlando) I heard and saw 3 CSX (is YN2 refering to gray yellow and blue) SD units . . . 3 ex-Cheesie 85xx SD50's and an ex-Conrail SD40-2 8801. The clincher? Three crew members and a melodius horn; the conductor looking straight, the engineer blowing for crossings and the brakeman was slumped in his seat so he could stick both shoes, feet and legs out the open window . . .

You can imagine my reaction . . .
"There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.]
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Posted by Sterling1 on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:16 PM

I'm not too sure if you've seen anything like this but here goes:

On a railfaning walk'round at night in FL (actually north of downtown Orlando) I heard and saw 3 CSX (is YN2 refering to gray yellow and blue) SD units . . . 3 ex-Cheesie 85xx SD50's and an ex-Conrail SD40-2 8801. The clincher? Three crew members and a melodius horn; the conductor looking straight, the engineer blowing for crossings and the brakeman was slumped in his seat so he could stick both shoes, feet and legs out the open window . . .

You can imagine my reaction . . .
"There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.]

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