Grossly Dishonoring the American Flag

[BNSF4ever]

Just to let Chris know, even though it's not prototypical, I refuse to buy any Chinese shipping line containers for my HO layout.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever

Just to let Chris know, even though it's not prototypical, I refuse to buy any Chinese shipping line containers for my HO layout.

That's a little excessive isn't it?

[Jordan6]

For a railroad (UPRR) that's under a power shortage, I'm surprised they take the time to do all that fancy design. But I do agree with the fact that if they if the UP puts something a symbolic as the American Flag on they're equipment, they need to keep them clean.

[BNSF4ever]

Not really. I'm sure Athearn and Walthers have to pay a licensing fee. Most Chinese shipping firms have ties to the Chinese Communist Party or People's Liberation Army (COSCO) comes to mind. So I'd rather not give them the 1 dollar or whatever from my purchase.

[K. P. Harrier]

BNSF4ever:

Perhaps I have somehow confused large decals with actual flags. But, I think the average person upon seeing a clean UP unit PERCEIVES the large flag decal as a flag, even though it technically is not one. The forum seems to be saying that if a large flag decal is filthy dirty then people automatically perceive it only as a mere decal instead of a flag. I never before made such a distinction. Nevertheless, with all this in mind, would people CHEER OR CONDEMN someone marching down the street proudly holding up a large, ragged, severely soiled and stained POSTER of an American flag?


Chris30:

I have to marvel at your diplomacy and smooth words. The reference to wives was regarding time travel.

[Anonymous]

Well according to US CODE

Title 4 chapter 1 section 7(b) "The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat"

Title 4 chapter 1 section 8(i) "The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever."

[coborn35]

Once I saw an engineer climb out of the cab and clean both decals.

[ottergoose]

If UP can sue the model makers for using their logo, we should sue UP for the unauthorized commercial use of our nation's logo :-)

[Rustyrex]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ottergoose

If UP can sue the model makers for using their logo, we should sue UP for the unauthorized commercial use of our nation's logo :-)

[:D] Now I like this idea.

[coborn35]

Come to think of it, why does the CP use an American Flag decal???

[csxengineer98]

listen... if the engineer wants to take the time and clean the decal..great.. god bless him..but the thing that some of you people seem to not understand...regarless of how it is painted...regardless of what decals are put on the carbody...regardless of how ever much you railfans complain... a locomotive is nothing more then a WORK HORSE!!!!NOT A SHOW HORSE its main reson for existance in the first place is to move freight from point A to point B... and the fact that UP put anything patriotic on the locomotives in the first place is a gift from them to all of us..and we shouldnt be complaining becouse thier is some dirt on it.... we should be happy with what they where willing to do in the first place... the fact is.... it IS going to get dirty!!! the fact is..at SOME point it might get cleaned...the fact is...it is a WORK HORSE...... locomotives are not eye candy as much as some of you like to think they are... granted it is nice to see a clean engin..but even clean ones dont stay clean for very long... so i guess i better go wa***he flag decal on my car back window..it has some road dust on it..i dont want someone to think im not patriotic and grossly dishonoring the flag... remember..a dirty flag must mean your a communist then....
csx engineer

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear



Groan, not another railfan "it ain't puurdy enuff..."

Well said CSX-eng,

LC

GREAT ! ! ! Another conspiracy thread, just what this forum needs. [:(!]

I can tell you for a FACT that EVERY locomotive that goes into the Service Facility at NLR is washed BEFORE going into the facility. However, the doors are opened and therefore not every inch of the loco outside is receiving a spray from the wash rack.

Isn't it time your rearranged your sock drawer?

BTW, Have a good day.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear



Groan, not another railfan "it ain't puurdy enuff..."

Well said CSX-eng,

LC

GREAT ! ! ! Another conspiracy thread, just what this forum needs. [:(!]

I can tell you for a FACT that EVERY locomotive that goes into the Service Facility at NLR is washed BEFORE going into the facility. However, the doors are opened and therefore not every inch of the loco outside is receiving a spray from the wash rack.

Isn't it time your rearranged your sock drawer?

BTW, Have a good day.

It is the doors to the engine room that are opened.

The doors and windows to the cab are shut (or suspose to be anyway).

[Modelcar]

...You know a flag is just a piece of cloth...but when it's configured as the American Flag we all know it's treated with great respect because it's a symbol of the United States Of America...!!! Thinking in that manner, we should all try our best to take care of ANY image that is projecting that flag to the public. It's not a perfect world....as my vehicles get dirty sometimes....and I don't want them to but that 's the world we live in and all we can do is do our best to allow that projected image of our Flag to be respectful...!

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

Come to think of it, why does the CP use an American Flag decal???

They own lines in the U.S such as the Deleware&Hudson.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever

Not really. I'm sure Athearn and Walthers have to pay a licensing fee. Most Chinese shipping firms have ties to the Chinese Communist Party or People's Liberation Army (COSCO) comes to mind. So I'd rather not give them the 1 dollar or whatever from my purchase.

What do you buy then? I'm pretty sure that Atlas has stuff assembled in China and I am certain that Intermountain does so what is left to buy?

Model Railroading and politics don't go together personally speaking for myself. I don't allow reality just protyping in my railroad fantasy.[:)]

[Anonymous]

Come on guys.... Whats an engine without weathering?[:p]

[wctransfer]

The D&H, oh come on, SOO LINE, is more of a part of CP then D&H. LOL, next time dont forget soo. [:P]

Alec

[dharmon]

I think the flag decal is made with "special" reflective material so the alien invaders in the tripods can more readiliy identify the UP locomotives, since UP has already got a deal in work to merge with the Martian State Railways.

[Chris30]

Warning ! [#offtopic]

Carnac time...
Hooser
Molsen
The Montreal Canadians

QUOTE: by JunctionFan:

I got a letter from the government one time a then shredded it because it had confidential information on it. It had the Canadian flag on it. Does this mean I am a traitor?

[Anonymous]

burning the flag is grossly disrespecting, not a dirty decal!! IF I have a dirrty flag decal on my truck doesnt mean i disrepect the flag, it shows im just not a fanantic on cleanlyness. or dont have 2 bucks to wash it,or the time.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jesus1st
.... or dont have 2 bucks to wash it,or the time.

[(-D]That even more American it shows your a capitalist![(-D]
James[C):-)][wow]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rustyrex

QUOTE: Originally posted by ottergoose

If UP can sue the model makers for using their logo, we should sue UP for the unauthorized commercial use of our nation's logo :-)

[:D] Now I like this idea.

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[:0]Are you Nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This had better be a joke, it is not an add, if they put their logo on it it could be. These guys are trying to support our country.

[espeefoamer]

Remember,before UP overan the C&NW and SP almost simultaniously it was able to keep its engines clean.If UP divests itself from these two roads,we will see clean Union Pacific locos again.Don't hold your breath,though.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098


[:0]Are you Nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This had better be a joke, it is not an add, if they put their logo on it it could be. These guys are trying to support our country.

I don't really see it that way. it looks more to me like UP is trying to capitalize on recent patriotism surges in popularity.

ie: "support our troops, and ship via Uncle Pete"

I think they are trying to gain a rep as "the patriotic railroad"

crass commercialism

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098


[:0]Are you Nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This had better be a joke, it is not an add, if they put their logo on it it could be. These guys are trying to support our country.

I don't really see it that way. it looks more to me like UP is trying to capitalize on recent patriotism surges in popularity.

ie: "support our troops, and ship via Uncle Pete"

I think they are trying to gain a rep as "the patriotic railroad"

crass commercialism

And why not, I buy from Athearn because it is printed on the box that the merchandise are made in the USA. Can I sue them, the boxes have a flag printed on them. Not to mention who sees the locos other than railroad fans and crews? The average guy stopped at a crossing does not, even if he likes the flag decal most likely won't be shipping through the railroad. Those that do ship will still base their decision on cost or avalibility not the fact some locos have a flag decal on them. Like CSX engineer 98 said they are a workhorse not a show horse. Consider it painted for our (the railfans) benifit.
James[C):-)]

[edblysard]

Jump Jet Jr...
Seems the Mook got you a little antsy!

First, I agree, any company displaying an American Flag, should follow the proper protocol when handling said flag.
On the other hand, what’s on the side of the UP locomotives is a decal.
It can not be folded, lowered, or in any what handled in the same manner as an actual flag.
By you statement, I guess UP should install flood lights on the locomotives to shine on the decal at night, seeing as how they can not lower said decal, and fold and store it correctly?

Oh, and if you are silly enough to have kept the wives from the first few centuries, and are also planning on having more in the next....man, I would hate to have to pay your child support!

Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098


And why not, I buy from Athearn because it is printed on the box that the merchandise are made in the USA. Can I sue them, the boxes have a flag printed on them. Not to mention who sees the locos other than railroad fans and crews? The average guy stopped at a crossing does not, even if he likes the flag decal most likely won't be shipping through the railroad. Those that do ship will still base their decision on cost or avalibility not the fact some locos have a flag decal on them. Like CSX engineer 98 said they are a workhorse not a show horse. Consider it painted for our (the railfans) benifit.
James[C):-)]

James,...heh, "peace" man....we can disagree and still not be adversaries...

I just think that with as nit picky as UP has gotten over logo protocol...they need to walk a fine line too, and it looks to me like they are wavering.

I think technically they are in violation...the fact that other companies do it too is totally immaterial..

I looks to me like the US code had specific intent to not only prohibit crass commercialism, but to restrict the flag from being displayed in such a manner that it will look defaced. So, as silly as the original context of this thread actually is,..I think that technically it is correct....UP should have to get presidential approval, or scrape them off.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Jump Jet Jr...
Seems the Mook got you a little antsy!

First, I agree, any company displaying an American Flag, should follow the proper protocol when handling said flag.
On the other hand, what’s on the side of the UP locomotives is a decal.
It can not be folded, lowered, or in any what handled in the same manner as an actual flag.
By you statement, I guess UP should install flood lights on the locomotives to shine on the decal at night, seeing as how they can not lower said decal, and fold and store it correctly?

Oh, and if you are silly enough to have kept the wives from the first few centuries, and are also planning on having more in the next....man, I would hate to have to pay your child support!

Ed

Ya; what is that all about? I'm trying to think of my recollection of Hindu faith but I don't detect any language in his statement to suggest he is of that faith other then he is a little off coo-coo for coco puffs if you will.[?]

[CSXrules4eva]

csxengineer very well said brother!!!!!!!!!!! I have to say personally I don't mind seeing a locomotive displaing old glory, in a dirty state. To me that shows that the American working man really works hard and earns evey bit of that fame, glory, or fortune. In this case this would apply to the railroad American working man.

I'm going to also agree with csxengineer locomotives are ment to haul fast or heavy freight / passangers from point A to point B and sometimes back to point A. They aren't ment to be shown off like a import tunner or something unless, it's a tourist rail line, or an independent locomotive restorer or owner, or something like that.