----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed.
QUOTE: Originally posted by K. P. Harrier It strikes me as incredibly disrespectful to the American flag if a railroad locomotive with very large “Old Glory” decals on it roams the system chronically unwashed, totally filthy, and covered with grime. Is this view too narrow and the odd man out, or does the majority of the forum have similar sentiments?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Groan, not another railfan "it ain't puurdy enuff..." Well said CSX-eng, LC
Originally posted by K. P. Harrier [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Friday, July 15, 2005 8:21 AM CP uses the Canadian flag on their locomotives and they get really dirty at times. I have not heard of a single Canadian griping about it though; probably because there is more important things to gripe about. Andrew Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,014 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, July 15, 2005 8:29 AM The other choice would be not displaying the flag. I'll settle for dirty. My personal vehicle isn't always pristene... Now those folks with a tattered rag on their flagpoles - that's another story. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 9:09 AM The Union Pacific "Building America" logo is very nice. Union Pacific did a great job painting the flags on their engines, however, it it hard for them to keep all of their engines clean and nice all the time. I am sure that Union Pacific tries to keep their engines clean, but it is almost impossible to keep every engine clean. Reply Edit K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, July 15, 2005 9:16 AM If a company erects a flagpole to display the American flag, I believe it is recognized common proper tradition that a raised flag thereon be lowered and removed from the pole at night, unless that pole was accompanied with burning night floodlights. Just because a firm cannot afford floodlights doesn’t negate its responsibility to remove the flag at night. Likewise, I believe that if a railroad wants to display patriotism with large decaled flags, it has the obligation to keep those flags clean, irregardless of the expense. If it finds that it cannot fully fulfill its obligations because of cost-prohibitiveness, immediate corrective action is in order before that it itself becomes cost-prohibitive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply TrainFreak409 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Dallas, GA 2,643 posts Posted by TrainFreak409 on Friday, July 15, 2005 9:27 AM I can agree with that. But then, I also agree with Tree68. Scott - Dispatcher, Norfolk Southern Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, July 15, 2005 9:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by K. P. Harrier If a company erects a flagpole to display the American flag, I believe it is recognized common proper tradition that a raised flag thereon be lowered and removed from the pole at night, unless that pole was accompanied with burning night floodlights. Just because a firm cannot afford floodlights doesn’t negate its responsibility to remove the flag at night. Likewise, I believe that if a railroad wants to display patriotism with large decaled flags, it has the obligation to keep those flags clean, irregardless of the expense. If it finds that it cannot fully fulfill its obligations because of cost-prohibitiveness, immediate corrective action is in order before that it itself becomes cost-prohibitive. Personally, I think you have way too much time on your hands. It's a decal! Mook She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 9:31 AM Listen, to the people out there who are blabbing about the locomotives being dirty, stop complaining about the stupidist thing out there to complain about. 1.) Like other people have been saying, BE HAPPY THEY TOOK THE TIME/MONEY TO PUT THE FLAG ON THEIR LOCOMOTIVES...they could of spent the money on other things, like more railcars or something....but they were nice enough to spend there company money by putting an american flag on their locomotives. 2.) Also, another thing, if the locomotive is dirty it shows that they are tuff working americans and they dont rest until their job is done. Reply Edit wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Friday, July 15, 2005 10:08 AM I dont even think they should have flags on every units. Maybe do a WC and put it under the cab, but now them units dont even say "Union Pacific" anywear except the logo. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply K. P. Harrier Member sinceOctober 2003 7,968 posts Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, July 15, 2005 11:26 AM Mook: So, you think I have too much time on my hands, do you? Haven’t you noticed I’m absent from the forum weeks at a time? I have no time, except for a little foolishness today! My wife just cannot understand how I can come up with so many weird things. YOU ARE NOT MY WIFE, ARE YOU? If so, which one? I have one in the 6th century B.C., one in George Washington’s time, one in the present, five in the 22nd century when men almost became extinct, and one in the 24th century. And, for the record, how could anyone with that many wives have too much time on their hands? PS: Has anyone ever thought what patriotism must be like when living in so many different centuries simultaneously? A simple confusing of when one is at can make patriotism unpatriotism! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed. Reply doghouse Member sinceMay 2005 From: Where it's cold. 555 posts Posted by doghouse on Friday, July 15, 2005 11:43 AM Ouch! Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Friday, July 15, 2005 11:52 AM It's a freakin decal...and if not mistaken, a reflective one.... ..no dishonor to the flag and more than having a flag sticker on your car and the car being dirty...... It shows pride and support. It's a good thing...... Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, July 15, 2005 12:06 PM I agree. Better to have a dirty flag DECAL than none at all. [8D] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 12:21 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Groan, not another railfan "it ain't puurdy enuff..." Well said CSX-eng, LC Groan, not another "criticize UP over anything because they merged someone's beloved: put your RR's name here " out of existence...............is it[?] [#ditto] You guys are way too hard on the UP it is the thought that counts. They are dispaying they love the USA. To keep it clean you would almost need a wash at the end of every long tunnel. We should be proud of them. If you have a flag bumper sticker on your car should you have to buy flood lights? If you don't or your car gets dirty are you now dishonoring the country you are trying to proclaim you love? I love the paint scheme the more we see of old glory the better. James[C):-)] Reply Edit BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Friday, July 15, 2005 1:40 PM Now I am no UP fan (and not because they merged some fallen flag out of existence) but I have to defend them here. The big Old Glory is the one thing I do like about that railroad. I have noticed though that most of the locomotives I see running up the East Bay line from San Jose to Oakland are filthier than Pigpen from Peanuts. But I don't see a dirty flag decal as disrespectful. Now I saw a UP SD60M in San Luis Obispo with graffiti on its fuel tank. THAT was disrespectful. Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, July 15, 2005 1:46 PM I'll second, third, whatever the decal I won't diss anyones wife... in the this lifetime or in a previous lifetime or whatever. I'll just add to this nice little topic that a little dirt and grime on the American flag decal shows what a hard working country this is... ride 'em hard, put 'em away wet! Pardon my John Wayne. CC Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Friday, July 15, 2005 2:13 PM Mr.K.P.Harrier,If you can't see the true meaning or understand the stars and stripes with a little dust,please go and read this song by Johnny Cash@USFlag.org "Patriotic Writings" "Poetry" ....Ragged Old Flag by Johnny Cash. You might understand that little dust. Dave Br. Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Friday, July 15, 2005 2:29 PM O.K then so I should salute a CP locomotive then? Let me tell you, if I did that, a number of people would look at me like I was retarded even at veterans hall because the flag and a decal aren't the same thing. I have never heard of the enemy attempting to capture the UP SD60, Arab countries don't go around and burn decals when p'd off at the U.S; it's just not the same. I got a letter from the government one time a then shredded it because it had confidential information on it. It had the Canadian flag on it. Does this mean I am a traitor? Andrew Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Friday, July 15, 2005 5:46 PM It's...USFlagg.org......... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 6:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 I'll second, third, whatever the decal I won't diss anyones wife... in the this lifetime or in a previous lifetime or whatever. I'll just add to this nice little topic that a little dirt and grime on the American flag decal shows what a hard working country this is... ride 'em hard, put 'em away wet! Pardon my John Wayne. CC Why pardon it John Wayne was a great American he could understand that the railroads love the country. James[C):-)] Reply Edit DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Friday, July 15, 2005 6:06 PM I'm sorry.Ididn't call anyone any kind of name or names.Thank You anyway............. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Friday, July 15, 2005 6:21 PM I'm all for patriotism. I love patriotism, and wish more people practiced it. While I would like to see the flags clean, I appreciate UP's commitment to their country. Of course, its a little ironic when one sees a set of flag emblazoned UP units "Building America," by leading a COFC train of Chinese merchandise. That's not really UP's fault, though. More like the average Americans willingness to sacrifice American jobs to Communism in the name of saving a couple pennies. I guess I'm getting a bit [#offtopic] though. Practice patriotism! Buy American (or Canadian, or British, or one of the other good guys...) Rant mode off... -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 6:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS Practice patriotism! Buy American (or Canadian, or British, or one of the other good guys...) Rant mode off... You forgot our best ali, our friends down under, the Australians. Reply Edit CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Friday, July 15, 2005 7:04 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS Practice patriotism! Buy American (or Canadian, or British, or one of the other good guys...) Rant mode off... You forgot our best ali, our friends down under, the Australians. Ooops...didn't mean to do that. I certainly am a big fan of Australia and the kind folks down there. Some day I hope to head there, and see just how many poisonous creatures I can encounter! There's actually quite a few countries that I admire, and have no issues about international trade with. I just don't like seeing American money and jobs being sent over to red China, and similar places. Just my [2c] (spent in an American forum!). Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Friday, July 15, 2005 8:20 PM I have seen several filthy UP locomotives that have had the flag decals cleaned. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply 1234567»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Scott - Dispatcher, Norfolk Southern
QUOTE: Originally posted by K. P. Harrier If a company erects a flagpole to display the American flag, I believe it is recognized common proper tradition that a raised flag thereon be lowered and removed from the pole at night, unless that pole was accompanied with burning night floodlights. Just because a firm cannot afford floodlights doesn’t negate its responsibility to remove the flag at night. Likewise, I believe that if a railroad wants to display patriotism with large decaled flags, it has the obligation to keep those flags clean, irregardless of the expense. If it finds that it cannot fully fulfill its obligations because of cost-prohibitiveness, immediate corrective action is in order before that it itself becomes cost-prohibitive.
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Groan, not another railfan "it ain't puurdy enuff..." Well said CSX-eng, LC Groan, not another "criticize UP over anything because they merged someone's beloved: put your RR's name here " out of existence...............is it[?]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 I'll second, third, whatever the decal I won't diss anyones wife... in the this lifetime or in a previous lifetime or whatever. I'll just add to this nice little topic that a little dirt and grime on the American flag decal shows what a hard working country this is... ride 'em hard, put 'em away wet! Pardon my John Wayne. CC
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS Practice patriotism! Buy American (or Canadian, or British, or one of the other good guys...) Rant mode off...
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS Practice patriotism! Buy American (or Canadian, or British, or one of the other good guys...) Rant mode off... You forgot our best ali, our friends down under, the Australians.
"No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld)
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