zugmann gardendance I'm more bothered when I comment to tell folks that they don't bother me and get a response directed to me that says I'm an idiot. Why are you letting the post bother you? Take your own advice and ignore it. Nobody has to post here. I've posted here for a long time because I wanted to and found it enjoyable. It's not as fun anymore and I don't participate like I used to. I know you don't care, and maybe nobody else on here cares either. So be it. It's no skin off my back to stop contributing. I'm sure the forum will be better off. I'm not going to bother if this thing is just another facebook-esque forum with such thought-provoking posts like "I shoudn't drink and post" and other crap that has nothing to do with the forum subject at hand. Defend it all you want, I don't care. So maybe in the end his posts are going to just drive me away. Oh well. That's my opinion.
gardendance I'm more bothered when I comment to tell folks that they don't bother me and get a response directed to me that says I'm an idiot.
Why are you letting the post bother you? Take your own advice and ignore it.
Nobody has to post here. I've posted here for a long time because I wanted to and found it enjoyable. It's not as fun anymore and I don't participate like I used to. I know you don't care, and maybe nobody else on here cares either. So be it. It's no skin off my back to stop contributing. I'm sure the forum will be better off. I'm not going to bother if this thing is just another facebook-esque forum with such thought-provoking posts like "I shoudn't drink and post" and other crap that has nothing to do with the forum subject at hand. Defend it all you want, I don't care. So maybe in the end his posts are going to just drive me away. Oh well.
That's my opinion.
He is not just a troll.
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Ulrich Not sure if I'm a decent poster, but I'm not on the verge of being driven away. I generally read more than I post. With so much bad stuff going on in the world its nice to come to a place where people want to talk about trains.. I don't take issue with people who disagree with me, nor do I allow myself to get offended by what others say. It's all good.
Not sure if I'm a decent poster, but I'm not on the verge of being driven away. I generally read more than I post. With so much bad stuff going on in the world its nice to come to a place where people want to talk about trains.. I don't take issue with people who disagree with me, nor do I allow myself to get offended by what others say. It's all good.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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n012944 It already has for me. 10 years ago this forum was at least a once a day stop, with posts from me most days. I now stop by once every couple of weeks. Between the "ya but", certain posters hate for anyone who works for the railroad, or the ramblings of whatever Ohiorivertrail's screen name is this week make it not worth the stop. I know that is not what you asked, as I am no longer a "decent poster", however just my .
It already has for me. 10 years ago this forum was at least a once a day stop, with posts from me most days. I now stop by once every couple of weeks. Between the "ya but", certain posters hate for anyone who works for the railroad, or the ramblings of whatever Ohiorivertrail's screen name is this week make it not worth the stop.
I know that is not what you asked, as I am no longer a "decent poster", however just my .
You may not consider yourself a decent poster, but I think yours was a decent post.
Why do "ya but", I assume you mean Euclid's, and Ohiorivertrail's posts bother you so much that they might make you quit, even for a little while? If they bothered me that much I'd just ignore their posts, I don't think there are so many of them, and ones like them, that they get in the way of the decent posts. And they aren't obviously directing their posts to me, I'm more bothered when I comment to tell folks that they don't bother me and get a response directed to me that says I'm an idiot.
Also what's the alternative, other than leaving the internet completely? There's another railroad related internet social medium that I did quit about 2 years ago because the "you're an idiot, you're the only one who loves the trolls" comments got too much for me, and I haven't found that trains.com is much different.
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Convicted One gardendance Somebody recently posted that another trains.com user's posts are going to drive the few remaining decent posters away. That sounds like a rather trollish comment to begin with. Obviously they were trying to provoke a reaction. You fed the troll by falling for it.
gardendance Somebody recently posted that another trains.com user's posts are going to drive the few remaining decent posters away.
That sounds like a rather trollish comment to begin with. Obviously they were trying to provoke a reaction. You fed the troll by falling for it.
Can you be clearer, what is it that you think was the trollish comment, chessiecat's "need to delete my post" thread or zugmann's "he'll make the decent posters go away" reply? Or both? There's nothing to say that a thread, or bridge, can't have more than 1 troll.
I feel not all troll food is the same, and I hope my response, to ask others if they agree with the "decent posters will go away" fear is a low calorie healthy choice.
I like to think that troll can mean fishing, looking to goad people into informative discussion. Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
CShaveRRInteresting that you mentioned K.P.'s Sunset Route thread, Larry.
And I hope K.P. isn't in any way offended. As noted, that particular thread (among others) simply don't interest me.
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Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Before I retired I practiced corporate law for 36 years. On a regular basis I dealt with those whose actual paid occupation was to goad and provoke and insult and do everything and anything possible in the hopes that I would react in an ill-advised manner. I would also say that I dealt every day with highly skilled individuals whose job it was to zealously advance the interests of their clients, so very real and very intense confrontation and heated argument was on the agenda every day.
The worst of the annoying posters and trolls on the internet including these Forums were and are amateurs compared to the folks I refer to. I cannot imagine anyone's postings here getting to me to the extent I would take my bat and ball and go home.
Having said that, please don't try!
Dave Nelson
gardendance Somebody recently posted that another trains.com user's posts are going to drive the few remaining decent posters away. If you're a decent poster, could you please let us know if you're on the verge of getting driven away?
Somebody recently posted that another trains.com user's posts are going to drive the few remaining decent posters away. If you're a decent poster, could you please let us know if you're on the verge of getting driven away?
An "expensive model collector"
Locomotives? Luxury, we were lucky to have handcars. We had to get up at 9 o'clock, half an hour before we went to bed, clean the handcar with our tongues, have a breakfast of cold poison, work the railroad for 25 hours and pay the road foreman of engines for the privilege. When we got home our dad would kill us, cut up our bodies and dance a jig on our graves.
But you try to tell the young people of today that and they won't believe you.
Let's not overlook that this is a internet forum! Not a church service or a court room. Troll's exist - get over it.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
gardendanceSomebody recently posted that another trains.com user's posts are going to drive the few remaining decent posters away.
Wanswheel --- Thanks. Now and then we need a reminder of Kris' deep belief that there is dignity in everybody, no matter how humble and no matter how many troubles that person may have. He always struck me as a humble man. He is an adequate guitar player, with a voice that's distinctive, but not great. His great strength is that he is one of our greatest and most moving poets, and his lyrics always express a deep love of humanity. This country needs more of his attitude, now more than ever.
Tom
Ricky: You are a unique individual... just like everybody else.
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Pkgs.
I don't go away per say.... Just "keep my head down" so to speak. (If you count me as decent. Just don't ever call me normal. That is an insult! )
Ricky W.
HO scale Proto-freelancer.
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1: It's my railroad, my rules.
2: It's for having fun and enjoyment.
3: Any objections, consult above rules.
ChuckCobleigh[snipped - PDN] . . . Thinking back, I remember a couple of other distaff forum members that have seemed to move on, or at least I haven't seen them post for quite a while. One is CW and the other was our CSX fan (can't remember her name, just the handle CSXforevah, I think) who actually ended up going on the job with CSX, as I recall. . . .
"LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX"
Interesting post near the bottom of this page:
http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/200788.aspx?page=2
Nothing posted here by her for a few years. I hope she's doing well, what with all the recent closures at CSX.
- Paul North.
Patrick (Gardendance), if I had decided that I would never participate in the forum again, I wouldn't be on it today. However, there are some threads that I consider ancient history, better forgotten.
I was a troll, to some Yoopers. (Cuz I lived under da bridge.)Some people who have seemed like trolls when they started posting eventually grew up. I'm glad we don't have too many of the flame wars that we used to have here. They made things interesting, but we can now go to Facebook for that maturity level if we wish.Interesting that you mentioned K.P.'s Sunset Route thread, Larry. I don't get into it any more. Not that I'm not interested (in fact, I traveled the length of that route this past spring, and noticed many projects going on)--it's just a little hard to keep track of at times. But I sincerely hope that K.P. doesn't give up on us...because when things get done, it's conceivable that with a bit of editing, there's an incredible reference book in these thousands of posts.If there's a question that I can answer (my unique experiences and expertises have to count for something), I'll do it. I'd even venture to say that they give a level to my speculation that exceeds the average (once given the facts). If I can't answer, theorize, or have an interest, I'll shut up and read.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
ChuckCobleighThinking back, I remember a couple of other distaff forum members that have seemed to move on, or at least I haven't seen them post for quite a while.
Can't forget Nora, whose "Stupid Question" thread was anything but... Last I knew she was working for a railroad, too.
I know about that "we've never heard of it" thing - probably lost a trivia game once because no one else playing had ever heard of Reykyavik, Iceland...
While it may be falling into a troll's trap, I find it hard to let go by a downright false statement. If I feel the ol' dander rising, though, I usually let it go, at least for a while.
As is written often on many fora - if you don't like it, don't read it. I care little about the Sunset Route, so generally skip that thread. I usually read "troll" material, though, just to be amazed at the depths of dumb that sometimes show up, but responding is another story.
ACY ... I was promptly told that there was no such place as Norfolk, that Norfolk was a stupid and meaningless name, and I was absolutely wrong
... I was promptly told that there was no such place as Norfolk, that Norfolk was a stupid and meaningless name, and I was absolutely wrong
I too think that Norfolk Virginia is a stupid name, its only purpose is for the pesky conductor to holler that sleeping car passengers are not allowed to engage in amorous activities if one of them is named Virginia.
ACY When somebody is immune to learning, or when I conclude they have nothing from which I can learn, then I stop wasting my time and I move on.
When somebody is immune to learning, or when I conclude they have nothing from which I can learn, then I stop wasting my time and I move on.
But have you ever felt, or are likely to feel, that moving on should entail never participating in the website again?
wanswheel, I finally clicked on your "Jesus was a capricorn" video. I generally don't click through on things with no description, but those with no description generally are less of a waste of my time than those that tempt me with "this is the greatest", or "you'll be amazed", or lists whose headers say "and number 5 will amaze you". But that turned out to be a pretty good song, and kind of applicable to this thread.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/kriskristofferson/jesuswasacapricorn.html
Jesus was a Capricorn He ate organic food He believed in love and peace And never wore no shoes Long hair, beard and sandles And a funky bunch of friends Reckon we'd just nail him up If he came down again [Chorus:] 'Cause everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on Prove they can be better than at any time they choose Someone doin' somethin' dirty decent folks can frown on If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me Eggheads fussin' rednecks cussin' Hippies for their hair Others laugh at straights who laugh at Freaks who laugh at squares Some folks hate the Whites Who hate the Blacks who hate the Klan Most of us hate anything that We don't understand
Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes
Long hair, beard and sandles
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon we'd just nail him up
If he came down again
[Chorus:]
'Cause everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on
Prove they can be better than at any time they choose
Someone doin' somethin' dirty decent folks can frown on
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me
Eggheads fussin' rednecks cussin'
Hippies for their hair
Others laugh at straights who laugh at
Freaks who laugh at squares
Some folks hate the Whites
Who hate the Blacks who hate the Klan
Most of us hate anything that
We don't understand
DSchmitt
2 things come to mind, "out of the mouths of babes" and "even a stopped clock is right sometime".
For example, I bet many of you would agree that http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/743/t/252434.aspx "I cant get the porter to Microwave my TV Dinner" is a rather silly thread, but I feel there are some interesting comments in it.
If one is really bothered by something posted they should click the Report Abuse (yellow triangle) link at the bottom left of the post and let the Monitors handle it.
Note others may or may not agree with your assessment. Also sometimes even a real Troll posts something useful even if that is not their intention.
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
Mookie No. I have made a few friends and learned a lot from the forum. It is usually better than what is on tv. And as maybe the only posting female on this forum, I like to think there are some people on here that don't mind my questions and others that think I am a nuisance. It's ok - it is all an experience. But I do wish people wouldn't feed the trolls.
No. I have made a few friends and learned a lot from the forum. It is usually better than what is on tv.
And as maybe the only posting female on this forum, I like to think there are some people on here that don't mind my questions and others that think I am a nuisance. It's ok - it is all an experience. But I do wish people wouldn't feed the trolls.
A friend told me about his past participation on a RR oriented forum (not this one). Someone asked a question about a subject in which he was extremely knowledgeable. He saw that some answers were naive, speculative, poorly informed, incomplete, or just plain wrong. So he posted the correct answers. His comments were roundly dismissed. He says as far as he knows, those folks are still trying to find the information he spoon-fed to them a long time ago.
True story: When I was about 12 years old, the N&W was still operating steam locomotives. My friends and I were building a model railroad. As we worked, someone brought up the N&W and called it the North Fork & Western. He was living a rather sheltered life and had never heard of Norfolk, Virginia. I corrected him, and I was promptly told that there was no such place as Norfolk, that Norfolk was a stupid and meaningless name, and I was absolutely wrong. To prove his point, he called for a vote. Nobody else in the group had heard of Norfolk either, so Norfolk was voted down and the N&W became the North Fork & Western. Majority rules, and the majority can't be wrong. I gave up. That describes some situations I see here. When somebody is immune to learning, or when I conclude they have nothing from which I can learn, then I stop wasting my time and I move on.
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
When it comes to so-called trolls, their posts usually don't bother me. I read them and go on. But when other kids on the playground start jumping on them, I find that kinda amusing. Don't take things so seriously.
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