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Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock - a UK based layout

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, March 14, 2021 8:58 PM

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Realism, Dave.   I hate things perfect.

I hope you realize that I was just kidding you. I think the plumbing looks just great!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, March 15, 2021 5:34 AM

hon30critter

 I hope you realize that I was just kidding you. I think the plumbing looks just great!    Dave

 

Not offended at all, Dave.  I genuinely dislike things being 'too perfect' on my layout.   I do not see things in life perfect.  People always have something that needs doing in and around their property.

Agnes Marston  has a lovely house inside.  A lovely garden.  Her husband, Charlie is too busy in the scrap yard, so she has called her local roofer  to fix the drainpipes.

He is busy at the moment (Me!)  Laugh   Busy revamping the layout and a spring clean.  Big Smile

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, March 15, 2021 2:55 PM

I received some 'flowers'  from my grandchildren.   Matt Summers had the job of planting some in Roseville Station.   He takes a 'breather' as he sees the midday Class 121 from Seacroft to Leeds Central arrive.

 

 

It is December 1915.   A light dusting of snow has fallen.  Will it clear or is more snow forecast?

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, March 15, 2021 11:23 PM

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It is December 1915. 

Cold by Bear, on Flickr

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, March 16, 2021 5:46 AM

A Beartoon on Sovereign Street.   Yeah   Bow  

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, March 16, 2021 7:33 AM

In the real world the rail line from Leeds to Wetherby wound its way this direction then that.   By the 1960s/70s it was a secondary route and as time passed became a little overgrown.  Eventually the line closed to traffic.

 

The model is becoming a little overgrown, and traffic stills run.  

 

A misty morning along the line.   In the distance a Seacroft to Leeds Central Class 121 is approaching.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, March 19, 2021 7:36 AM

Little scenes  to make a big picture.

 

More 'birthday flowers' planted at the 17th Century  built 'Coach & Horses Inn'.  The local Hunt is in attendance  for their 'drink'/.

 

 

 

The  signal box at Leeds Sovereign Street Station.  A little snow has fallen.  Geoff Nicholson as arrived  for his next shift of work.   A Leeds City Corporation bus is behind  on its way to the bus station.

 

 

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, March 19, 2021 8:42 AM

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More 'birthday flowers' planted at the 17th Century  built 'Coach & Horses Inn'.  The local Hunt is in attendance  for their 'drink'/.

 David

Very nice David!

17th century, huh? Just how old IS your layout, anyway?

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, March 19, 2021 10:28 AM

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Very nice David!

 17th century, huh? Just how old IS your layout, anyway? 

 

Thanks for your comments Mark.

 

Seven years ago Dawn said I could have 'the small bedroom' for a layout.

The plan was an L shaped layout with a strong Scottish flavour.  It was purely diesels running only  and most of the locomotives  I have their 1-1 counterparts were seen in Scotland.

 

Among my collection I have a few small 0.4.0 steam locomotives.   As My now growing up grandchildren wanted to 'run trains' those locomotives were ideal for them.   A few small trucks and carriages and all was well.

 

I then wanted to the steam railroad to look more realistic, so Leeds Sovereign Street Station was built.   I now had a U shape layout.   A lift-off bridge was constructed  and a continuous run was made.

I was running a Scottish based diesel layout and a Leeds based steam layout.  I was getting confused.

 

I knew more about Leeds, so I re-wrote the history of my railroad set purely around Leeds.   The scene around  Leeds Sovereign Street  is set during the time of the Great War   and is Wintertime;   hence a dusting of snow.  i wanted a Winter scene

 

The rest of the layout is a Summer scene.

 

I then wanted a small canal dock  and the only one suitable in Leeds was Clarence Dock.  That is set mainly during the time of the Great War,  although it is easily changed to the diesel era.   Clarence Dock scenery is just after a fall of rain.  I wanted puddles etc.

 

To answer your question, Mark,  the layout is seven years old.  It has gone thru a few changes and I am happy  where it is now.   No more extensions,  but a tree or two might grow somewhere.  Laugh     I like altering the scenery a little;  just like Nature does.

Oh!   the 17th Century Coach & Horses Inn  is a model of a real one just outside Leeds  that was built 1697.

 

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, March 19, 2021 7:50 PM

Actually David, I was making a poor joke. But the story of your layout is very interesting! Thanks! Yes

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Friday, March 19, 2021 9:22 PM

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Actually David, I was making a poor joke. But the story of your layout is very interesting! Thanks! Yes

 

Not poor at all. In fact I was trying to think of a smart rejoinder and could not. I found it very funny.

and kind. The very best humour is funny without being negative. Very Canadian style actually, in that Canadians laugh at ourselves. 

The really funny part for North Americans is the British really do have 17 th century buildings they still use. In fact much older buildings are in use in places like Stratford upon Avon. I've enjoyed a pint in the George in London as well as the "oldest pub in London" out East on the south bank of the Thames. So a layout plausibly can have extremely old buildings. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, March 20, 2021 5:48 AM

I guessed it was a joke, Mark.  Big Smile

As for old houses;   our family home was built in 1787, the second oldest in the village.

It's older than the original of this little fellow -- Laugh

 

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Saturday, March 20, 2021 8:40 AM

Your Rocket derailed. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, March 20, 2021 11:41 AM

Lastspikemike

Your Rocket   derailed 

 

A minor detail.  Bang Head

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:17 PM

Scenes from the last running session.

 

Here we have  a  Gateshead based Class 47 47404  Hadrian in charge of a Leeds to Birmingham parcel service.    In all the many times my son and I looked around Gateshead shed  we never saw 'Hadrian'.  It was later we found it spent most of its time  around Birmingham.  I guess they must have liked it.

There wasn't a model available  of 47404, so I made one myself.    Three days later Bachmann Europe   introduced the model.

 

 

There was a gale blowing 'yesterday',  so Matt Summers has his wheelbarrow out to tidy the garden.    He stops to see a rare Class 50   50007   Hercules   pass.   The Class 50 is a Plymouth Laira based locomotive  on a late,  diverted Plymouth  to Leeds Central  Express.   

In my book about Leeds Central Station there is a picture of a Class 50  about to depart back to Plymouth.   The caption stated that Class of locomotive  was rare to be seen in Leeds.   Good enough to run my 50007.   Big Smile

 

 

Matt Summers is not getting any work done in the garden.   He sees a Class 55  55023  9th Queen's Royal Lancers     pass on its way to Crown Point Yard to refuel.    There were only 22 Class 55s built, but I wanted one with the name of the Regiment my father was in.   The number 55023 follows the other 22. 

(In   1921 the 9th  Lancers  became The 9th Queen's Royal Lancers  after Queen Adelaide.   In 1932 the lances were withdrawn.  In 1936  the horses were no longer required  and The 9th  became a Tank Regiment.   Although now part of the Royal Tank Rgiment the name of The 9th Queen's Royal Lancers  still lives.  About 18 months ago we saw a young man in uniform.  His cap badge was of the 9th.)

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, March 21, 2021 7:40 AM

Keeping variety and enjoyment on a layout

On my layout I have 55  locomotives.  (Too many says Dawn, and probably right.)  To be able to run them all I have a small locomotive yard,  Crown Point Yard. 

 In real life  it was a refuelling yard for locomotives using Balm Road Quarry Sidings,  and Stourton Container Yard

On the layout locomotives from Leeds Central Station also use the yard,  giving more reason to run my collection.  Therefore the scene at Crown Point is always changing.

A typical scene in the yard

left to right --  Class 27  Glasgow Eastfield based 27037.   Class 55  York based  55021  Argyll & Sutherland Highlander,   Class 47  Crewe based 47567 Red Star,  and  Class 37   Inverness based  37026   Glencairn.

 

By knowing where the locomotives were based and types of traffic they were used on, I then know what service they 'will be on next'.  Can I put them on a service that is in the direction of their 'home base'?   Most times I can, but sometimes not.   

It keeps it all a fun layout to operate for me.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, March 22, 2021 6:54 AM

Keeping the magic and enjoyment when running trains.  The trains I run have to have a reason to be on the line.  They must have a start point and destination; no matter whether it is a passenger, container or freight train.  The 'humble two carriage local'  is as important (if not more)  as a 12 or 14 carriage inter-state express.

I have a  core timetable of local trains that used the lines.  To add variety I have mentioned the running of 'diverted trains'.   Those trains are the proper trains that would use the 'main line'  and would be diverted because of engineering work etc.

Then  there is the running of 'Steam Specials'.   I have six steam locomotives  that 'travel the line'  when I feel like it. Smile

 

The running of local trains.

 

A Leeds Central to Dewsbury Market Place Diesel Multiple Unit (DMU)   waits at the signal whilst a Class 121   Seacroft to Leeds Central  clears the junction.

 

 

The Class 121 has arrived at Leeds Sovereign Street.   Passing is a Edinburgh Haymarket based   Class 25  25237  on its way to Crown Point Yard.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:40 AM

The layout has been 'freshened up' a little. 

 

Here is Crewe based  Class 47  47423  Sceptre  with a twice weekly oil train to Immingham.

 

 

After 'another fall of rain'   at Clarence Dock.    The red post box has been changed to a Victorian style one  in keeping with the area.

 

 

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Posted by PM Railfan on Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:16 AM

Mrs NorthBrit says 55 locos is too many????

 

Ill pretend i didnt hear that. Headphones

 

 

Love the pics. Especially the last one - that is definately a double taker! The salvage yard shot too. Makes me wanna shrink down to a kid again and go exploring all over it.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:30 AM

PM Railfan

Mrs NorthBrit says 55 locos is too many????

 

Ill pretend i didnt hear that. Headphones

 

 

Love the pics. Especially the last one - that is definately a double taker! The salvage yard shot too. Makes me wanna shrink down to a kid again and go exploring all over it.

 

Douglas

 

 

Thanks, Douglas.   Glad you like  the pictures.

I have 55 diesel locomotves plus   23 steam locomotives  when I change to the 1914/1919  scene.

At least Dawn knows where I am.   Laugh

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:12 AM

A model of 40ft canal boat  'Kingfisher'  has arrived  and when I run diesel trains it is berthed at Clarence Dock.     

 

 

In real life  Clarence Dock now has been regenerated with the area turned into apartments  and chic restaurants etc.  and The Armouries Museum.  The area is now called Leeds Dock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_Dock

Kingfisher is the third boat on the layout.

Here is  'Clarice'.    A 55ft Holiday Boat

 

 

We find Ada at Clarence Dock when I run steam engines.  Ada is a  60ft working coal barge.

 


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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, March 29, 2021 10:08 AM

I ran some trains yesterday.  Here are some pictures.

 

When I was 16 years of age a work colleague let me read his copy of Model Railway News.  One of the articles was about 'Western hydraulic locomotives'.   I loved the names they had.  I shall have to have one or two.  The total now stands at eleven.

Here is  Class 52  D1013  Western   Ranger  passing the signal cabin with right of way to enter  Crown Point Yard.

 

 

The running of a Steam Special.

From an unusual angle of Charlie Marston's yard  Ex-London, Midland & Scottish Railway (LMS)  locomotive 5699   'Galatea'   caught in the afternoon sunshine.

The real 'Galatea'  is still operating.  Sometimes it carries the name 'Alberta';  depending who is paying the Charter.

 

 

In real life one knows there is a train there, but cannot see it.  Just how I like it. Smile

A view from the control area of 'Galatea' passing.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:02 AM

A beauty of operating  a secondary rail line  that has diverted trains running on it sometimes is, I can run those trains when I feel like it.

Here are two pictures of 'The North Briton'.  A Leeds Central to Edinburgh Waverley Pullman Service.

Inverness based Class 47 47517  Andrew Carnegie  is in charge.

 

Passing Leeds Sovereign Street Station.

 

 

and passing Charlie Marston's Yard.  The railroad seems secondary to what is going on.

 

 

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Posted by JOCK GRAHAM on Thursday, April 1, 2021 6:47 AM

You might be interested in this photo of pre-gentrification warehouses on Leeds Dock Street.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:09 AM

Thanks for the picture,  Jock.

Leeds Dock Street is about a mile from Clarence Dock (now Leeds Dock.)  on the opposite side of Crown Point Road.   Dock Street got its name from being near Brewery Wharf;  which was originally used by Tetley Brewery.

I do have old pictures of Clarence Dock and surrounding area.  My model is about 60%  correct.   I do not have the space to build a proper model, but what I have done is a representation. 

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, April 1, 2021 1:26 PM

Hi David,

Have you ever posted a track plan? I think people would be interested in seeing one.

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Thursday, April 1, 2021 1:44 PM

This thread delivers a lot of entertainment value and a UK perspective. 

A track plan or overhead photo would add to the already interesting ongoing storyline, I'm sure. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, April 1, 2021 2:25 PM

There is a plan on page 1.  in more detail regarding how it works.

 

Here it is again (not to scale).

11ft X 8ft  over all.   The bridge lifts off  (sometimes Smile )

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, April 1, 2021 4:36 PM

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Here it is again

Thanks David,

I printed a copy for future reference.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, April 9, 2021 11:37 AM

I have been rather busy lately and not run any trains.  I must try tomorrow. 

 Meanwhile two views  taken some time back.

 

Policeman P. C. Henderson  on duty.

 

 

L.M.S.  locomotive   5699 Galatea passing Wyndham Farm  on a 'Steam Special'.

 

 

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