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Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock - a UK based layout

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Friday, April 9, 2021 1:58 PM

And is the town council planning on repairing that pavement any time soon, I wonder?

Handy to have a phone box for civilians and one for the Bobby so convenient. Probably on account of the staggeringly high murder rate in such locations. In some country villages there can be one a week, sometimes multiple murders in just one village. I watch a lot of those murder documentaries on BBC Canader so I know. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, April 9, 2021 2:42 PM

Lastspikemike

And is the town council planning on repairing that pavement any time soon, I wonder?

 

 

You should know already that very little is perfect on my layout.  Big Smile   The large  number of broken pavement I have seen. Smile

As for any murders.  We have no faith in the BBC.     The only murders here are  "I could murder a cup of tea."  Laugh

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:51 AM

I have been in the process of painting some figures.   Once done I will place them around the layout in little scenes.

Meanwhile a new locomotive has arrived.  A Class 50  50036  Victorious.   It was at a bargain price (not from Ebay)  that I could not refuse.   A few circuits of the layout; I am really pleased with it.

 

First pose on the layout ; at Leeds Sovereign Street Station.

 

Passing Charlie Marston's Yard.   She was actually pulling carriages effortlessly.  The Class 50 locomotives were/are named after Royal Navy warships.

 

 

A final photograph at the Locomotive Depot.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 2:24 PM

New arrivals today.

40mm Bofors Anti-Aircraft Guns.   I have them loaded on Lomac wagons.

Here they are on their first run on the layout.  Class 47  47404  Hadrian in charge.

 

 

A little scene.  Margaret Griffiths and her daughter Sally  in the garden

 

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 5:29 PM

I had not realized things were getting so dangerous in the UK. 

Even model railroads need air defence?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:26 PM

NorthBrit
40mm Bofors Anti-Aircraft Guns.

Those look like excellent models. Roco?

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:33 AM

Lastspikemike

I had not realized things were getting so dangerous in the UK. 

Even model railroads need air defence?

 

 
 
Laugh
 
The reason for the Bofors guns.
 
In 1914 on the outskirts of Leeds at what became Barnbow,  Number 1 National Filling Station was built.  They filled the shells to be used in France/Belgium )in the Great War).
 
After the war the site was closed.
 
It reopened again in 1936  during the massive rearmament program.   Becoming the Royal Ordnance Factory   it made mainly tanks;   Churchill,  Conqueror  and Challenger tanks.   They also made other pieces of ordnance; hence the Bofor Guns.
 
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Those look like excellent models. Roco?

-Kevin

 

I received an email from my model store (on Monday) they had arrived and was I still interested in them?

A quick reply  and payment.   As can be seen  'on the train'  by Wednesday.

Just waiting for a crane now.   I have been waiting 18 months.  Told it will arrive in September.

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:56 AM

NorthBrit
Becoming the Royal Ordnance Factory   it made mainly tanks;   Churchill,  Conqueror  and Challenger tanks.   They also made other pieces of ordnance; hence the Bofor Guns.

I intend to model a military transport train on my layout so I have watched eBay for several years for suitable loads at a reasonable price. The loads were extremely rare, and the reasonable price concept was even rarer. However, perseverence paid off and a couple of years ago I scored six unmarked Sherman tanks for peanuts. Now I just have to acquire six shorter flat cars with roadnames from the same railway so I can run the tanks. I recognize that I could use longer flat cars and put two tanks on per car, but that will make for a much shorter train, and that's no fun!

Cheers!!

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, April 22, 2021 10:03 AM

hon30critter
The loads were extremely rare, and the reasonable price concept was even rarer. However, perseverence paid off and a couple of years ago I scored six unmarked Sherman tanks for peanuts.

Dave,

There is a Russian company called Zvezda that makes a good assortment 1/100 scale armoured military vehicles. These can be found at very low prices. I order them on eBay from sellers in Russia. I usually have them within a week!

Normal plastic cement does not work on these small Zvezda models, but super-glue does.

Believe it or not, the 1/100 scale vehicles actually look better to my eye on HO scale flatcars. They fit better, and are still large enough to have the proper amount of "heft".

I have used bits from Zvezda models of German WW2 vehicles in scrap loads.

These Lionel Shermans on flat cars are quite a bit more undersized than 1/100 scale models on 1/87 scale flatcars, but they still look hefty and heavy.

Here is the real deal. You can see the "duckbill" tracks hang over the sides, and two tanks barely fit. Earlier Shermans would just fit onto a flatcar deck with no overhang. The barrel from the main gun on the lead tank extends over the flatcar in front of it. The two tanks are different, so this picture might be post war. The front tank looks like it might be a field modified "Jumbo", and the second one looks to be a late-war M4A3-E8. That might be an M7 armoured howitzer carrier on the second flatcar.

It looks like there are buffers on these US ARMY flatcars, circled in red.

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:06 PM

Those buffers indicate maybe those flatcars were in England as part of the D Day mobilization. I see a Bren Gun Carrier (a British design) on the flat car behind the Shermans? No buffers on that car? Maybe that unit is a different type of APC derived from modifying a gun carrying unit, there were several developed during WWII. Definitely not a tank at this point.

Could these be Firefly tanks?  Britain fitted their guns to Sherman tanks and named them Firefly. I think the British gun was longer barrelled and maybe larger caliber.

Looked it up. The Firefly used the Vickers 17 pounder anti tank gun (3" or 76 mm caliber) and those tanks appear to have that gun. The standard US gun was much shorter and smaller caliber. Later American Sherman's did fit their 76mm anti tank gun to the M4.  Interesting photo.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:20 PM

Lastspikemike
Could these be Firefly tanks?

Just having a bit of fun.  Now let's get back to more stories, which to me are some of the best part of model railroading...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:26 PM

OK, no need to hijack David's thread with a bunch of nonsense about Fireflys and Easy-8s.

I was providing some product and modelling information to Dave with my response, let's not go any further in this direction unless David leads us that way.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:48 PM

SeeYou190

I was providing some product and modelling information to Dave with my response, let's not go any further in this direction unless David leads us that way.

-Kevin

 

 

As interesting as it is and my father being in a Tank Regiment,  I shall continue painting some figures. Smile

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:42 PM

Not as off topic as one might think...the first Shermans were built by Lima Locomotive Works.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:15 PM

I have been running a few trains after some ballasting and painting figures.

Edinburgh Haymarket based Class 47  47711  Greyfriars Bobby  passing Leeds Sovereign Street on its way to Crown Point Yard.

 

 

At Crown Point Yard.   Class 37  37417  Highland Region,  47711 Greyfriars Bobby  and Class 52 D1035  Western Yeoman.

Amongst the staff on duty is photographer John King. (The figure at the rear, near the wall.)   He has been given a Yard Pass to photograph locomotives.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:43 AM

I was having a challenge with one of my carriages;  forever derailing.   It was always at the same place and I thought it was the track.

Anyway it turned out to be a set of wheels.  Not sure why, but I replaced them.

 

I then decided to run the carriages on test runs. 

Sometimes I get  weird and wonderful pictures depending on the 1-1 world outside the train room.    It is raining.  Raining hard.

 

A misty, eerie feel as  Class 25  25 218  waits at the signal  with a Leeds Central to York local service.   

 

 

25218 now has right of way.

 

 

Near Canal Corner.  A shaft of sunlight.    Does Stevie Steel  (in the heavy yellow coat)  get a good picture?

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, May 4, 2021 8:01 AM

It is still raining outside, but not as heavy.

Class 47  47515  Night Mail has been at Doncaster Locomotive Works for a major overhaul.   Her first run before  being put into service properly is on a Doncaster to Leeds Central local.  Seen here passing the Junction.

 

 

Here is 47515 again at Crown Point Junction.  Ash Farm Fields and The Lake are at the rear.   Workmen at J.H. Thompson's Builders Merchants are hard at work  oblivious to the goings on on the railway.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:49 AM

Little things added here and there.

People waiting at the crossing  as Class 47  47402  Gateshead passes on its way to York

 

 

Class 142  arriving at Leeds Sovereign Street Station  on its way to Wetherby.   A driver and passengers have been added.

 

 

A rarity  A former Autocoach  converted to run with a Cravens DMU power car.  The Autocoach was originally powered by a small steam engine.   Now converted and repainted blue and cream  is on the Wakefield Kirkgate to Leeds Central  service.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, May 6, 2021 4:24 AM

When running steam locomotives at Clarence Dock  thing are okay.   Changing to diesel running a few minor problems are happening.  I shall have to alter the track plan a little.   A bigger run round is needed.

 

Meanwhile  Class 25 25237  is reversing trucks at Clarence Dock.

 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, May 7, 2021 2:38 PM

Two pictures of diesels at Clarence Dock.   The little station platform  is from a diorama of Lybster Station I did a few years ago.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, May 12, 2021 4:37 AM

Class 58  locomotives were built mainly to haul coal trains from collieries to the power stations.

Here is Class 58  58001  with train of coal hoppers.   The hoppers are of 1910 (or so) era  and operate mainly on my steam engine running days.   At least the Class 58 is hauling real coal.   Smile

 

 

 

(I thought)  In real life Class 52  locomotives never ventured to Leeds  and I always operated my small fleet of them on the Rule 1 basis.    Two weeks ago I was informed (on the odd occassion)  Class 52s  on the Swansea to Leeds Central  did the whole journey.

Here is Class 52  D1057  Western Chieftain on a diverted  Leeds Central to Swansea  train at Crown Point Junction  signals.    Class 58  58001  is in the Yard.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, May 12, 2021 5:50 AM

How many times do we know there is a locomotive or train there, but we cannot see it (properly).

View from the control area looking over Roseville School railings towards Crown Point Yard.

Bescot based (near Birmingham)   Class 47 47474  Sir Rowland Hill  on its way to Leeds Central for its next turn of duty.

 

 

The same time, but a view over the bushes.  In the Yard is  Gateshead based  Class  47   47404  Hadrian.    47404  was regularly seen around Birmingham.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, May 12, 2021 2:47 PM

Next week  (all being well)  I will be allowed to have my grandchildren here running trains.   Two of them like to run  0.4.0  and 0.6.0 steam locomotives.  They are easy for them to handle  rather 'the big stuff'.

Therefore I have been running them again ready for action.

 

Two views of Clarence Dock.  'Katie'  is in charge of the four wheeled carriages.   'Harwood'  is doing a bit of shunting.

 

 

An overal view of the small Yard and Dock 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, May 17, 2021 12:18 PM

The beauty of a railroad with two timeframes.

It is back to 1914/1919   There are three railroad companies on the line.   The Calder Railway,  Leeds, Scarcroft & Wetherby Railway  and Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway.   Both the Calder Railway & LS&WR  are now owned by the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway   hence both locomotives & carriages are now in L&Y colors.  The  K&ESR  was absorbed into the L&Y at the end of 1919.

 

Ex-Calder Railway locomotive 'Katie'  waits at  Leeds  Sovereign Street platform with her carriages  whilst  ExLSWR locomotive 'Wetherby'  passes with a northbound goods train.

 

 

'Wetherby'  thunders thru Roseville Station  bound for Blackburn's Aircraft Factory at Olympia Works,   Oakwood,  near Leeds.  By researching the area of the rail line  brings up information for different wagon loads and gives a layout a reason to be there.

Robert Blackburn  & Olympia Works  - http://www.loveoakwood.co.uk/oakwood-history/olympia-works/

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, May 17, 2021 12:50 PM

The Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway  (K&ESR)   ran  both goods and passenger trains  to East Seacroft and Barnbow.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnbow

 

At the time carriages were of different heights.  Here is a K&ESR  passenger train at Sovereign Street  on its way to Barnbow.

 

 

Leaving Roseville Station.  'Titan'  is in charge.

 

 

Near the Junction.

 

 

Read about businesses and companies on the railroad brings up some surprises.  Not just what they make, but the raw products required.  Coal or oil for heating.  Special items  --   at Barnbow  Munitions Factory they had their own cattle  to feed the workforce.  Every week a cattle train would arrive.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, May 17, 2021 2:54 PM

'Leefy'  with a southbound ammunition train.   The loads are lifted out   and the wagons can return empty.

 

 

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Posted by PM Railfan on Monday, May 17, 2021 9:29 PM

David) Incredible shots! Heavens to Mergatroyd it looks like a very busy line. I see the hustle n bustle in it. I like it!

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:50 AM

Thank you for your comments, Douglas.  They are much appreciated.  Most of what I write here can  (hopefully)  give ideas for modelers over the pond.

Originally the layout was diesel running only (by myself).  Then the grandchildren wanted to join in.  (Great)    I had a small collection of little steam engines and four wheeled trucks.   They liked them as they were easier to put on the track  and run.  'Like Topsy it has grown.'  

It was then I  wrote 'History of the Line'   and reason why it is there.  Having a history, especially if most of it is true gives a layout credibility (imo); even a ficticious line can become 'real'.

The history of my line serves both the steam era of 1914/1919  and the diesel era of 1970s,  because the factories the line serves are still there; both wartime and peacetime.

Most of the little people on the layout have nothing to do with the railway, but are a very important part of the scene.

Scenery is not football pitch perfect.  Nature decides otherwise.  There are 50 shades of green  in the trees and grass.   Rain clouds are a magical mixture of greys to almost black;  then a shaft of sunlight.

 

 

The factories on the line.   What do they make?  The raw products required?  The end product taken away?   Is it coal or oil heated?   Uniforms for the staff.  A boxvan of uniforms once in a while.   Paper, pens and other stationery items?  Okay they probably would be delivered by road, but not today  Smile  

 

  Dare to be different.    Bringing a model railroad to life.   A Living Model Railway that has a reason to be there.

Simple really.  You learn such a lot on the area modeled.  I lived not fifteen minutes away from Barnbow and saw many a tank being built there, yet knew nothing about it until I read about it.   The same with Blackburn's Aircraft  at Olympia Works.   For a short time I worked not far from there.

  Most of all it then becomes enjoyable.   A railroad to be proud of.  A railroad proud to operate.

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:46 AM

And this thread is an interesting potted history of both a model railway and an actual place. It speaks to all of us about why we find this hobby so fascinating.

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