"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Norfolk & Western (N&W) ]

Headquarters: Roanoke, VA

Mileage: 1950: 2,129

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 610

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 75,621
Passenger cars: 251

Principal routes in 1950:

Lambert’s Point (Norfolk), VA-Columbus, OH
Portsmouth-Cincinnati, OH
Lynchburg, VA-Durham, NC
Roanoke-Hagerstown, MD
Roanoke-Winston-Salem, NC
Walton-Bristol, VA
Bluefield, WV-Norton, VA

Passenger trains of note:

Pocahontas (Norfolk-Cincinnati & Columbus)
Birmingham Special (New York-Birmingham, AL; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cavalier (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
Pelican (New York-New Orleans, LA; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Powhatan Arrow (Norfolk-Cincinnati)
Tennessean (New York-Memphis, TN; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cannon Ball (Norfolk-New York; joint with ACL; RF&P; and PRR; operated by N&W Norfolk-Petersburg)

Of Note: In 1964, the N&W added the Wabash and Nickel Plate road to its system along with the Columbus-Sandusky line of the PRR, which the PRRR sold to the N&W. In 1981, the N&W added selected lines of the Illinois Terminal RR to its system. This Fallen Flag focuses on the pre-1964 N&W.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day Gents! The last day of the month is the beginning of the work week! All kinds of “things” going on, including Halloween! and Boris’ Birthday Bash [?]!! [swg]


Best take advantage of the fresh pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our freshly brewed coffee and the <light> breakfasts. [tup]

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Boris’ Bash[bday] and Halloween Party! Plan to be here between Noon and 7 PM! Given the vast differences in time zones, let’s just call it “Eastern Time,” since this is Manager Ted’s show. [swg]

(2) The Selection Committee for the Order of the Stools will release the results of their October meeting on Wednesday. Watch for it!

INDEX Monday’s only!

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP……. 106/150 MoPac . 108 WP ………… 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………. 112 Heralds …… 114 ACL ………… 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ….. 118 RI .………… 119 D&H ………… 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …. 124 UP.………… 125 AT&SF …….. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP.…. 129 CB&Q .……. 130 Soo Line ....... 133 C&NW
134 SP&S …….. 136 GN ………… 139 B&M ..……… 140 NYNH&H; NH
141 MEC ……… 142 BAR .………. 145 NP …………. 146 L&N
147 Wabash ….. 148 C&O ………. 148 KCS

Passenger Train Nostalgia

110 ……… MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Encor!
129 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash
148 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad

Classic Juice by trolleyboy ROB

116 Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131 Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134 Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 Classic Juice #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 Classic Juice #7 (The Peter Witt Story)

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 00:25:30 (150) Inclusive Post!

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 00:44:21 (150) Pix

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 06:54:12 (150) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 06:56:16 (150) Pix

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 08:11:16 (150) MoPac – Texas Eagle

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 08:52:45 (150) reply to trolleyboy – barndad – passengerfan

(7) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 09:34:34 (151) Inclusive Post!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 10:12:17 (151) Pix 3000th Post!

(9) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 12:18:30 (151) Pix

(10) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 14:03:57 (151)

(11) Trainnut484 Russell Posted:30 Oct 2005, 15:11:56 (151) Pix

(12) BudKarr BK Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 15:56:09 (151)

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 17:16:04 (151) Pix – part II

(14) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 18:09:12 (151) Grelmins!

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 19:43:45 (151)

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 20:25:53 (151) Texas Eagles 21&22

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 20:56:27 (151) Reposting of nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 19:24:53

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 22:02:28 (151) Inclusive Post! and Pix

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening gentlemen. Tom I'm raiding the beer fridge for a nice cold Black label,I'll leave a fiver in the tub for it.[;)] I do like leading off the sunday parade don't I[?] Oh well least i'm consistent[;)][:D]

It was nice to hear from Nick as well[:0][;)] What poor thread did he accidentally confuse with his psot ment for us[?]

Tom , Russel , Doug Nice pictures folks, a nice cross section of the things we love. Beautiful Via shots from the boss, steam and passenger rebuilding projects from Doug ( glad you popped by ) [tup][:)]. Russel loved the station, beautifull old building,oh the GP isn't too bad either. I do like that paint job. Kinda New englandy and shades of the old CPR as well.[^]


Ted thank's for the moral support on the E's. Though that means the angry swarm may be after you as well.[:0][B)][xx(]. I will get your pictures up and running soon,thanks for the time extention[tup] oh Tomorrow i may not be able to make it till after the screaming is done. I'm working all day 8 to 6 my time and I'm a half hour from home at work so. I figure 8pm the earliest I'll make it. That may be hit and miss as well depending on how many young gouls come to our door. ( PC's in the basement )

Al Wonderfull streamliner information, I hope it doesn't get lost in the shuffle either. [tup][;)]

A couple more pictures as well I think. Why not.[8)][:p]




A shot of an Ontario Southland ( OSR ) RS 23 diesels. Former CP engines. These are at the Guelph junction yard just accross the tracks from the Go Milton units I shared with you folks last Sunday.




Closer up shot of the RS23's



A before repainting shot of the OSR RS 23. This time it's pictured in front of the old michigab central shops in St Thomas Ontario. Home of the Elgin County railway Museum.



This is a picture of Michigan Centrals St Thomas railway station/ freight shed. This building still stands and is being converted to some loft Condo's. The classic exterior arcetecture is being preserved. Thank goodness. [tup][:)]

Well folks have a good rest of your weekends.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Here's a Post from nickinwestwales Nick apparently INADVERTENTLY placed on the WRONG thread! [swg]

QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 19:24:53

Posts: 278
Joined: 16 Apr 2005
Well jeez,-that`s the last time I step into Boris` shed a week before his birthday,by da*n I`ve got aches & pains where I didn`t know I had places---this has been a very rough week,and the worst of it is,the official birthday is tomorrow-We`ve got to do it all again,but next time,could one of the grown-ups please take charge--Our favourite science project will be meeting & greeting guests from 7.30 ( all time zones........) prior to embarcation on the "Our Place" chartered Special-travelling from the back of "Our Place" to the top of the hill,where customers will be presented with a choice of the local home-brews & snacks,prior to experiencing a traditional "Old Country" wedding--those that find that degree of bloodshed upsetting will naturally be excused..............In a desparate attempt to re-introduce the railway theme to the conversation,the news from this side of the water is gloomy-the onset of the rainy season has brought progress on the layout to a halt,the stock has been `boxed up` for the winter-an extensive program of vehicle lettering,weathering and general authenticating ( a made up word ) is called for......stay tuned for pix,scenic development remains a strong possibility-and much needed.
Finally got recording of band into some kind of shape-12 tracks of all your favourites,played in a strange and faintly disturbing way.........................................
[^].......................................................[C=:-)]

My compliments, Sir Nick! <grin>

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening everyone Just thought I would post this for the morning crowd.
TEXAS EAGLES 21-22
The second sets of TEXAS EAGLES were actually two trains in one operating between St. Louis and Palestine, Texas. At that point the southbound TEXAS EAGLES split into two trains one destined for Houston and Galveston the other destined for San Antonio. The two northbound trains that originated in those cities became one again each afternoon in Palestine.These TEXAS EAGLES often ran to as many as eighteen cars between St. Louis and Palestine. The train out of St. Louis carried a pair of dining lounge cars for food service one dewstined for San Antonio the other Houston. Again power for the new streamliners was EMD E7A -B units or Alco PA units. The passenger roilling stock for these TEXAS EAGLES came from American Car & Foundry except for the sleeping cars that came from Pullman Standard. All three of the TEXAS EAGLES carried through sleeping cars to and from the east coast. The New York bound sleeping cars traveled east of St. Louis in the PRR PENN TEXAS and the Washington bound cars traveled in the B&O NATIONAL LIMITED. The new TEXAS EAGLES were inaugurated August 15, 1948.
CONSIST ONE

7011EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7011B EMD 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

814 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car
(St. Louis - Houston)

820 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Houston)

831 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Houston)

832 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Galveston)

870 Grill 9-Seat lunch Counter 8-Seat Dinette 36-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

894 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

844 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

822 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

841 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE CIRCLE 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Louis - Galveston)

EAGLE BUTTE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Washington - St. Louis - Houston)

8430 EAGLE BEAM PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New York - St. Louis - Houston)

8432 EAGLE CHARM PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New York - St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE WOODS 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE TURN 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE STREAM 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Memphis - Little Rock - Houston)

CONSIST TWO

7012 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7012B EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

812 Baggage 30'Railway Post Office Car
(Houston - St. Louis)

821 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(Houston - St. Louis)

830 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(Houston - St. Louis)

833 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(Galveston - St. Louis)

871 Grill 9-Seat Lunch Counter 8-Seat Dinette 36-Revenue Seat Coach
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

895 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

842 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

823 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

844 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

EAGLE VILLAGE 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Galveston - St. Louis)

EAGLE CHASM 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - St. Louis - Washington)

8431 EAGLE BLUFF PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - St. Louis - New York)

8433 EAGLE CHIEF PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis - New York)

EAGLE VALLEY 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

EAGLE TREE 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

EAGLE SUMMIT 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - Little Rock - Memphis)

The 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars were not actually delivered to the PRR until August - October 1950 so the PRR substituted prewar CASCADE series 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars for this service. I chose to list the consists as they were remembered most with the 10-6 cars in service.

Likewise the Planetarium Coaches shown were were not actually added to the trains until June-July 1952.

The connecting service between Little Rock and M<emphis was discontinued in 1965.

In 1969 the TEXAS EAGLE was discontinued between Palestine and Houston.

One year later the TEXAS EAGLES were discontinued between Texarkana and San Antonio

In 1971 TEXAS EAGLE service ended with the beginning of Amtrak.

Ta Ta for now.

[pwolfe]

Hi tom and all.

Just a quick note through the slot to say thanks to all for the great photos and posts.

I hope to post of couple of photos on the Essex railway next week if I can work out how to do it[%-)][D)].

Looking forward to the Haloween Party tomorrow PETE.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe it. My reply was knocked off with a "error occured" message from Kalmbach. Okay, I'll include it in a breakfast message tomorrow. Don't want to chance it again for now.

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!! “These are a few <more> of my favorite things!”

Click to enlarge!

(boarded the eastbound “Ocean” at Sackville en route Halifax)

Eastbound “Ocean” and Chateau Varennes bedroom car at Halifax, NS, Canada


Eastbound “Ocean” at Halifax


Eastbound “Ocean” and Banff Park Car at Halifax


Eastbound “Ocean” and Banff Park Car at Halifax


Eastbound “Ocean” at Halifax


Westbound “Ocean” and Kent Dining Car at Halifax


Westbound “Ocean” and Chateau Bienville Bedroom Car at Halifax


Westbound “Ocean” and Revelstoke Park Car at Halifax


VIA Rail Dining Car Acadian at Halifax


Track entrance to VIA Rail Station at Halifax



That’s it – Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

A special thanx to those who took the time to particpate in SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and all who visited "Our" Place.

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom,

I believe this attraction to passenger trains is beginning to have a positive impact on me, for I could look at those marvelous pictures of yours for hours. Very well done and how fortunate you are to have been able to make as many trips aboard the "Ocean" has you have. Last week it was the locomotives and now the carriages!

You alluded to perhaps not traveling to Nova Scotia by train, thereby ending your rail experiences in that part of the world. I believe we both understand the phenomenon of change. It is all about, some good, some not, but always inevitable. The end of those Budd cars on the Via Rail route was just a matter of time, just as one day they will no longer grace the route of the "Canadian." You are indeed fortunate to have so many postiive memories, and your photographs, to keep those trips vivid and up front in your mind.

Appears as if fate stepped in on your behalf regading the 3000th posting. Appears to be only proper that it should fall upon you, given the contributions you have made to this venture called "Our" Place. Well done!

Speak with you ujpon my return either the end of the the week or the following.

BK

[Trainnut484]

Hello again Tom and all. I'm back again with a couple of more photos. Dan, ironically one of these photos is of the Santa Fe depot in Cherryvale. Yes, you're right that it's one of SKO's major facilities. I noticed it wasn't as "clean" as when I visited it back in 1996. I think the layout belongs to the Cherry Valley Model Railroad club. I was able to peek inside then.

Here's the depot. I like the arches especially the ones at the drive through entrance. The other arches cover the outside passenger waiting area. The depot was built during 1909-1910 at the cost of $18,000 dollars, and is the only one of this style left on the old Santa Fe's Southern KS lines. Restored in 1992. Mirrored copy of depot is in Plainview, TX.


Here's the Santa Fe/Frisco diamond in Cherryvale. This is looking North on Santa Fe's line and the Frisco's line is running East and West. The Frisco depot sat to the left on this side of the diamond out of the picture. Santa Fe and Frisco shared a three block long sidewalk for passengers that connected the two depots. Note the old train order pole on the other side of the diamond.


Enjoy [8D]

Russell

[Anonymous]

Just checking out submissions for photo day. Russell, the HQ for Watco's SK&O is the old ATSF depot out of your picture. This was restored several years ago and in addition to being the ops center for this line, it houses a large model railroad. Occasional excursions are operated out of here.
I am learning that there was a lot more to the Mop than their small operation here in Spfld. One of the recent rail mags carried an article regarding 1 man's attempt to photograph all the Mop power in his town. Love the looks of those Alco PAs with the big eagle across the nose!
Even when an Eunit is at rest, it still looks like it's eating up the rails. This is true even of the later bulldog nose units. The longer snooted Es are more graceful but the later ones look more balanced, at least to me. Try sitting in the engineer's seat---it provides no visibility but an awesome sense of speed and power not found in freight units.
I better stop as this note is getting so long I may not be able to get it thru the mail slot.

[Trainnut484]

Hello Tom and rest of the gang. Since we're closed today, I'll just slip this through the slot. Here's my contribution to today's Sunday Photo Day:

ex-BAR GP38 taken on ex Frisco's Wamego to Fredonia, KS lline in Cherryvale, which crossed the Santa Fe line there. The diamond can be seen just ahead of the exNS/NW locomotive, and the Frisco depot was located just to the left of the diamond. I assume these locomotives are SKO.


I'll try to post more later,

Russell

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!! “These are a few of my favorite things!”

Click to enlarge!

VIA Rail’s “Ocean” and Revelstoke Park Car at Central Station, Montreal, QC, Canada


Eastbound “Ocean” and Chateau Argenson Bedroom Car at Moncton, NB


Eastbound “Ocean” and Revelstoke Park Car at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” and Tom & Revelstoke Park Car at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” and Kent Dining Car w/Eddie the Attendant at Moncton


Eastbound “Ocean” ready for departure at Moncton


Between Moncton and Sackville, NB


(spent the night in Sackville at the Marshlands Inn)


More later today – Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

This turned out to be "Our" Place's 3000th Post!

[Anonymous]

Okay, I'll drop this "In the Slot" (Pop tune from the 60's)." Looks like photo posting Sunday is off to a good start. Yesterday, there were also some informative posts which were "on taget" and easy to read.[tup]

It was MoPac in Dodge City, KA that I first saw "polling" used in the yards (1962). They were using "on the fly" (free wheeling) maneuvers as well. I thought this practice was prohibited back in the late 1950'c but apparantly not. As a long time "train watcher" at the Frisco gravity ("hump") yards in West Tulsa, OK, these methods seemed primitive at best and dangerous, to say the least. Often I wondered how gondolas, box, hoppers, et al., with their bulk heads "bowed" in (concave) or out (convex) came to such grief. My question was answered in Dodge City. Early R.R.ing was always a dangerous trade and the industry allowed "bad habits to die hard." Great "Encores" Tom. [tup] [tup] [tup]

Rob, not a problem with my pix. Just grateful that they finally arrived. Hey, you send good mail, much appreciated.[tup] And, in regard to the E-5, E-6 and E-7's, I must agree their lines were more graceful and aestheically pleasing to the eye than their progeny the E-8. But hey, I prefer the asymetrical, awkard appearance of a gas-electric to the Budd RDC, so what do I know. Design and function "rules the roost," not aesthetics, right?[V] As my Pappy would have said: "colors are made for taste!" Love those Witts pix Rob, great entry[^] Earlydiesels, barndad and passengerfan Al, I really took something away from your fine posts, thanks.

Hope everyone has a safe and happy weekend. I'll see you tomorrow at the Halloween/Boris Bash. Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

Just a few words this fine day in acknowledgment of the Posts that have come in. And, yes – we areCLOSED on Sundays. However, it IS SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and we’d like to check out your Classic offerings …… [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Oct 2002, 00:25:30 and 00:44:21

Another fine Inclusive Post! from Charter Member and Permanent Stool honoree, Rob! [tup]

Nice “wiggle” try in getting off the “hook” regarding the E8s. [tdn] Just watch it, Buster, you’ve stirred the nest and when that happens, one just never knows from which direction “it” will come ……. [swg]

While Saturdays have been relegated to a precious few, it is nice to know that the Encore! pieces are being received so well. We only have a few reading – just check out the SUMMARY for names and times – but they have generated some fantastic input. [tup]

All our talk of Canadian Tire has rekindled the flame for another trip “home” to Nova Scotia. Man oh man are we ever disappointed with that turn of events. The air fares have wiped out our Thanksgiving plans and no tellin’ when we’ll make the journey, at least in the short term. Paying upwards of $1200 for what used to be less than half of that for air travel is simply out of the question ….. Also, VIA Rail and their use of the Renaissance “Euro cars” has stifled any desire on my part to travel from Montreal to Halifax with them. So it appears that an era of about 16 years of ridin’ the “Ocean” has come to an end. [:(]

Appreciate your Pix and descriptions. You like “kickin’ off” these SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! activities, dontcha [?] [swg]

barndad Doug Posted: 30 Oct , 06:56:16

Just when I’m about to “write you off,” you come through! Whazup [?] I made several positive comments about the White Sox and their most impressive post-season showing. Great season – great effort and greater team! [yeah] [tup][tup]

Really am impressed with the effort you’ve put forth. The pictures are “right on,” but the narratives really go a long way to complete the story. [tup][tup]

Thanx for participating in our SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and I wi***here was a way for us to “spring” you loose in order to have you resume your place as a regular ‘round here ……. Appreciate knowing that you are checkin’ us out and keepin’ up with the Posts. We’ve had quite a run these past several weeks – some very fine submissions for sure.

passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 08:11:16

Sorry to have to tell ya this – but WE ARE CLOSED ON SUNDAYS! [swg] <grin>

Your efforts of yesterday and today may very well be “lost” for many of the guys who frequent the bar ….. They definitely should be resubmitted during the week. Given your schedule, I will make an attempt to do that for you – no promises, I’ll try.

The information on the MoPac's Texas Eagle is fantastic and very much appreciated! That's quite a rundown on equipment and one that those of us who appreciate the nature of your Posts truly appreciate! Thanx! [tup][tup][tup]

Sundays are difficult for dialogue in that our regulars surely know by now that there’s no one here to pick up on the Posts on a routine basis. Oh well ……..

I do appreciate the input from you, Al and wi***here was a way to “preserve” your works. Just is a time consuming chore to keep up with what I put out, let alone everyone elses. Well, I’m preaching to the choir I suppose. Those who really give a Rat’s Patoot ARE keeping themselves involved! [tup]

Enjoy this fine day, meant for relaxation! [yeah] [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

SUNDAY's are for PIX!

[passengerfan]

good Morning Tom Guess I'll just have a coffee.
This week and next am going to be very busy with the books getting ready for final exams. And for someone suffering from CRS it seems i have to study twice as hard.

I did not have time to include this in yesterdays MP post so amd putting it in now for anyone interested.

The Missouri Pacific and Texas & Pacific inaugurated the lightweight streamlined TEXAS EAGLES 1-2 on August 15, 1948 sometimes referred to as the WEST TEXAS EAGLES between St. Louis, Little Rock, Texarkana, Dallas, and Fort Worth then on to El Paso. The new lightweight streamlined TEXAS EAGLES were not operated witha lightweight streamlined observation due to the amount of switching in route.

The TEXAS EAGLE between Fort Worth and Dallas was a much different train that the one that arrived from St. Louis that morning. The TEXAS EAGLE west of Fort Worth operated a single through sleeping car from St. Louis to El Paso and one or two through coaches. A full dining car operated in the TEXAS EAGLE trains only between St. Louis and Fort Worth. West of Fort Worth the TEXAS EAGLE operated a Dining Lounge Car. The TEXAS EAGLE west of Fort Worth carried a lot of head end traffic so anyone seeing the train in the distance would thgink it was the same train that arrived Fort Worth in the morning. It might be the same number of cars but most were head end cars.
The new TEXAS EAGLES were generally assigned a pair of EMD E7A units or ALCO PA-! units for power. The consists of the TEXAS EAGLES were comprised of cars from AC&Fwho built all but the sleeping cars and Pullman Standard who built the sleeping cars and sleeper lounge cars.
CONSIST ONE (Inaugural)
7004 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7004B EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

100 (T&P) Baggage 30'Railway Post Office Car
(St.Louis - Dallas)

804 (MP) Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

451 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St.Louis - El Paso)

896 (MP) 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

460 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

840 (MP) 44-seat Dining Car
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE CLIFF (MP) 5-Double Bedroom Soda Fountain 24 seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE GLIDE (MP) 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(ST. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE CHAIN (MP) 14-Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New York - St. Louis - El Paso)

EAGLE CREST (MP) 14 Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Washington - St. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE DIVIDE (MP) 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Memphis - Fort Worth via Little Rock)

CONSIST TWO (Inaugural)

7010 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7010B EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

101 (T&P) Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car
(Dallas - St. Louis)

304 (T&P) Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

450 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(El Paso - St. Louis)

200 (T&P) 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

461 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

500 (T&P) 44-Seat Dining Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

18 EAGLE CANYON (T&P) 5-Double Bedroom Soda Fountain 24-Seat Lounge Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

17 EAGLE FLIGHT (T&P) 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

1 EAGLE BAY (T&P) 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(El -Paso - St. Louis - New York)

3 EAGLE ISLAND (T&P) 14 Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis - Washington)

5 EAGLE PATH (T&P) 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Fort Worth - Memphis via Little Rock)

The two planetarium cars in the above consist were not added until June - July 1952. They actually replaced two 60 revenue seat coaches.

The westbound TEXAS EAGLE was discontinued between Fort Worth and El Paso beginning in 1964.

The TEXAS EAGLE was combined with the LOUISIANA EAGLE between Longview and Fort Worth in 1969.

The remnant of the TEXAS EAGLE(No sleepers no dining) was thankfully in 1971 at the start of Amtrak.

Ta Ta for now

[Anonymous]

Good day gents ... long time no see ... and how about them Sox? I'll just slip this note in the door slot here. I do keep up with the posts even when extremly busy, and am always amazed at the information y'all regulars are posting. The fallen-flag series is a wonderful addition to this thread. You fellows are an incredible resource of information!

Tom, just prior to your Mo. Pac. fallen flag, you posted the Southern Pacific. We only have a single 1918 Alco 2-10-2, 400,000 pounds and classified F1 at our museum. Unfortunately, it's one of several steamers on our locomotive line that sit outside in the elements to slowly rust away.

We also have a Pacific Fruit Express boxcar, that has a tie-in to the Southern Pacific.
(Sorry ... I don't have a photo) <I snatched this info from the internet>

It is through the Pacific Fruit Express Company that the Southern Pacific Railroad Company is provided with refrigerator car equipment for the heavy and fast movement of fresh fruit and vegetables to markets; special equipment for heater service also is provided.

At the time the company was organized by the Southern Pacific and the Union Pacific in 1906 the relatively small tonnage of perishables moving to eastern markets was handled by a limited number of cars owned by private interests. Pacific Fruit Express started its operation with 6000 refrigerated cars. By mid-1955 it had nearly 39,000 refrigerator cars in service. Included were 337 mechanically operated "super-giant" refrigerator cars designed to serve the frozen food industry. Starting in 1951 mechanical icing machines were being installed progressively at a number of major terminals - Hearne, Texas was included in this installation.

Cars of the Pacific Fruit Express Company operate over most railroad lines in the nation, also in Mexico and Canada. Icing platforms, icing plants, and car shops are located in 15 states. More than 465,000 carloads of perishables were handled by PFE in the peak year of 1946. In 1954 the total was almost 400,000 cars.

The Pacific Fruit Express Company began operations in Hearne in 1929 when a 45 car icing platform was constructed. The operation of this platform during the peak season requires the services of 30 workmen. An average of ten to twelve thousand cars are iced at the Hearne platform annually.

Phillip J. Haas has served the Pacific Fruit Express Company as Agent for the Hearne icing platform since 1929. The company has recently placed an order for a thousand new mechanical refrigerator cars which will bring the total to 1800 mechanical refrigerated cars on the system.


Everyone remember my mystery passenger car from a few weeks back? Now it looks like this.

It certainly has the appearance of being scrapped, but I'm hoping instead that the ultimate plan is to salvage/morph from another car. I'll be watching. We easily have 100 years worth of restoration on the property.

[siberianmo]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

It’s SUNDAY and the bar is CLOSED! You may drop off your Posts through the mail slots in either set of front doors.

It’s also SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! So, c’mon, show us what you “got”! [swg]

Info for the Day:

Monday is Boris’ Bash and Halloween Party! Plan to be here between Noon and 7 PM! Given the vast differences in time zones, let’s just call it “Eastern Time,” since this is Manager Ted’s show. [swg]

INDEX Monday’s only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 06:07:12 (150) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 06:13:10 (150) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – SP

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 08:59:40 (150) reply to trolleyboy

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 09:32:41 (150) PE, Part II

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 10:36:36 and 10:39:53 (150) SP

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 12:43:05 (150) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – MoPAC

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 15:00:30 (150) reply to Theodorebear & passengerfan

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 15:31:27 (150)

(9) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 19:48:09 (150)

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 20:42:23 (150)

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 21:24:16 (150) reply to BudKarr – earlydiesels – passengerfan

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Okay pictures for this week. As always I shall try to produce a couple of shots that will coincide with my classic juice posts from this week. So with Ted's approval I'll post a couple shoys of the museum's Witt's one large and one small. I don't have any shot's of traditional nearside cars but a couple of the museums "clones" will be posted in their stead.




This is a large Toronto TTC Witt from the first 1921 order,built by Canadian Car and Foundry of Montreal ( cancar ) Bertha or the "beer" car 2424




This is small Witt 2786 from the 1922 order built also by Cancar. sister car 2766 is still owned a run by the TTC. It is available for charter work and once in a while it and TTC two PCC's also used for charter work will get the occational running time on the Harbour front line during the summer.




This is a shot of small Witt 2894. This is from the last Witt order in 1923. This car was built by the Ottawa car company. 2894 is the backbone of our operating fleet. It is used daily during our operating season.She replaced 2786 as the go to car 10 years ago. 2786 is waiting for some restoration time. Next year 2894 will get a bit of a beak as 2424 will be back in the regular rotation.




This is a shot of TR car 1326. This car was built in 1910 by the Toronto Railway Company in their own Witchwood shops. She is one of over 400 double truck TR's built between 1903 and 1911. An all wood car it was built originally before the PAYE system of fare collecting occured. This car was rebuilt in 1919 as a PAYE car following the lead of the nearside cars. 1326 is also the museum's reason for being.The saving from scrap of this car was what prompted the founders to start the museum.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening folks. Tom It's a bit late so I'll just do a tea this evening ( have to work again tomorow )


Tom and Al Loved the encores , always nice to reread. I've always said that one can never get to much information on the things one loves.I will add a couple of photo's to this weeks extravaganza and I do hope more than two of us partake in the action.


Tom Thanks for the VIA info.I shall check it out. Also I'm glad that you approve of CTC's amrketing operations. They still bill themselves as Canada's hardware store. I do try to shop with them first before I resort to the HD or other such retailers.

Dan and Tom A point of clarification. I don't strictly speaking hate the E8. I just feel that it did not in my mind have the same estetic bang for your buck as did the earlier E's 6's 5's etc. Kinda like comparing a 57 buick to a 97 buick just not as exciting.My opinion only not ment to offend one way or the 'tother. Hey at least it sparked some debate and interaction which is a good thing. [tup][:D]


BK No problem, I feel that it is important to acknowledge one another's efforts here. As I've stated other times on this site most of the information here is good information, and as such everyones imput is important.[tup] Your contributions here are just as important as mine and Ted's ,Tom's, and everyone elses of the regulars. I hope you can drop a few more on us in the comming weeks and months . [tup]


Ted A nice second installment as well. I'm having a hard time picturing the multi mode trains on the PE [:O] but hey what ever works [tup] I think a couple of the "blimp" cars have survuved in some of the US museum collections. Most likely at the Orange County museum. Hopefully when Dave gets back he can confim or deny this.

The PE was one of the few traction systems thatutilized the double ended PCC's they were / are a bit of a rare bird ! I've always loved the bright snappy paint scheme on them. Shades of SP's daylight passenger cars and deisels,no suprise there given the ownership [tup]

I won't have any of your recent pictures ready for this weeks picture day, sorry next week for sure. It's taken a bit longer to sort through ( my problem not your pictures ) procrastination and too much forum time[:(]. I'm big enough to pointout my own short commings. Honesty is the best policy [tup][^]


Well that should catch me uo for the day I'll pop back in a couple of minutes with some pictures for this week.


Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ Guys!

Even though it’s been a slooooooow Saturday, nice to see some regulars stop by …. Some acknowledgments are in order:

BudKarr BK Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 15:31:27

Good to see ya BK and thanx for the Post over on the new thread. You’re correct, Sir – the idea is to try and generate some interest in discussing passenger trains PLUS perhaps win over a few new customers. Worth a try ….

Your contributions to our group are always appreciated! Hope your trip doesn’t take you away for too long ……. By the by, your Email arrived – thanx! Response has been sent …..

earlydiesels Dan Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 19:48:09

Hey Dan! Each visit lately seems to bring back the “old” earlydiesels we’ve missed ‘round here! Cheers, Mate – water ‘n lemon will “work”! [tup]

Thanx for the info on that Classic Trains issue ….

I’m a fan of EMD E8s and think they are perhaps one of the finest of the classic diesels. Ain’t no way one can disparage them without hearin’ from me! [tdn]

Glad the Fallen Flags “work” for you … that’s the idea! I’d like to see a bit more on the KCS myself. My modest collection of RR books doesn’t have a whole hulluva lot, but what I have read is quite interesting. A couple of years ago I met the guy who is (was) the CEO of the road. He attended a meeting I was at in JCity. We were discussing the possibility of Amtrak expanding passenger service down to Oklahoma City from KCity, MO. This was right around the time when Amtrak introduced the Oklahoma run between Tulsa & OKCity. Anyway, nothing ever came of the idea – although he expressed interest in bringing back passenger service even if under someone’s else’s banner. Interesting guy ….

Hang in there! [tup] Hope to see ya again real soon.

passengerfan Al Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 20:42:23

Figures that you would provide some meaningful input regarding the MoPAC – thanx! [tup][tup] That’s really good “stuff” you’ve provided and perhaps you might want to think about Posting it again either Monday or Tuesday, just to ensure that it gets the attention deserving.

Of all the runs MoPAC had, I’d sure love it if the link between St. Louis and Denver could be brought back. What a shame that was disbanded, for there surely is a market between these two locations. [yeah] Iknow I’m a dreamer …. Domes - diners - bedroom cars, ahhhhhhh. [swg]

Okay – Leon the Night Man has arrived. I’ll see y’all on Monday and don’t forget that tomorrow is Sunday Photo Posting Day!

So, whatillyahave [?]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom Time for a CR and a round for the house.

The MP was an interesting passenger road in that in the streamline era they owned cars from all four major manufacturers (P/S,AC&F, Budd and SLC.
One of their most interesting streamliners was the COLORADO EAGLE introduced six months after WW had began on June 21, 1942. The seven car streamliners were combination Budd and P/S built cars the first five cars the Baggage , Baggage 30'RPO, 56 Seat Coach, 48-Seat Grill Coach and the Dining Lounge Cars were Budd built and the two trailing sleeping cars were P/S built. Actually their was an eigth car in each consist a modernized heavyweight sleeping car west of Geneseo Kansas to Denver. This car originated in Wichita westbound and terminated in Wichita eastbound. The train was operated over D&RGW rails north of Pueblo to Denver, and the diesels showed both roads names to reflect this.
Following WW II the train received three Budd built domes which have an interesting story behind them . First why was their three when their was only two consists necessary for daily service. It was initially planned that the COLORADO EAGLE would be part of the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR and through cars would operate west of Denver in that train so the CZ would have two eastern terminals Chicago and St. Louis. Talks broke off just after the MP had ordered the domes from Budd. These Budd domes were exactly the same as the Budd dome coaches operated in the CZ with 46-reclining leg rest seats on the main level and the 24 standard seats in the dome. Talks broke off but the MP was already committed to the domes so they took delivery. Each COLORADO EAGLE was assigned one and the extra operated in one of the two consists of the MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE. When the MP purchased their P/S domes they ordered five knowing the TEXAS EAGLES 1-2 would only require two and the TEXAS EAGLES 21-22 would only require two so the extra went to the other MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE. The MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE was the only trains operating one consist with a Budd built dome and the other with a P/S built dome.

TEXAS EAGLES 1-2 were actually two trains in one Although the schedule said operating between St. Louis and El Paso the train operating west of Fort Worth was far different then the one arriving in Fort Worth each morning. The Dining car was replaced by a Dining Lounge and only two of the trains sleepers ran through and a single coach. Other then the head end cars it was practically a totally different train departing west and east from Fort Worth.

Ta TA for now.

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. Tom, I'll take a cold water with a lemon-it helps clear the lungs. Been catching up and neglected to take notes until almost the last page so I may be a bit more scatter brained than normal.
Tom, the Classic Trains issue about the coast to coast Boy Scout trip is Summer 2003. The majority of the issue is about the B&O so look for the Mikado on the cover. I liked the fallen flag on the KCS. It's always seemed weird to me that this rr has been around for years but very little is published about it in any of the rail press. Even here in SW Mo, very little is discussed about the KCS. The widecabs are, along with the ex SD45s, are probably the most notable of KCS' recent prevelence of buying most of its power secondhand. All this stopped a few years ago when KCS ended their all EMD streak by buying new GEs.(yuk!)
CM3, I appreciate the detailed info about the C&O GP30s. The dispositions are most helpful-Diesel Era mag does similar articles. Question however. The Kansas and Oklahoma rr, a Watco company, has an exChessie GP30 which I rode in the cab of earlier this year. I seem to remember the number being 3016. It also had a interesting device on the control stand allowing the engineer to vary the power--kind of like the fast/slow switch on some locos to change the way they load up for road or switching. I agree about the particular noise the locos make when under load.
Trolleyboy, let me get this straight. You think that the EMD E8 is not an attractive locomotive? Did I read too quickly? I do agree about the long nosed Es being nice looking. My favorites were the purple ACLs, the SALs with the retractable nose door, and of course, the Rock's 630.
Well, the official season for the Midland ends tomorrow. Probably for the good as our 2 primary locos are broke down. The 142 fried its auxiliary generator and the 8255 quit loading then dropped a bunch of lube oil.
The pneumonia is still present but I feel a little better every day. Some days are better than others, though. Enjoy all the posts and encourage more first person accounts. Personally, since discovering Our Place, I don't even check any other places out on the web for interaction. I feel the best info is here, along with good hospitality and the greatest group to hang with.
Don't forget to set the clocks back for our US group.

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom,

I just provided one of my repeat performances over on your new topic and hope it helps to keep the idea moving forward. If you win even one newcomer for the bar, it is worth the effort.

What to have on this day? How about a brew from the tap and an Italian sub - hold the onions please.

You inquired regarding my use of the term Adventurer in my profile. Perhaps better expressed from days of yore than present times. Best explained in other than cyber space.

I always enjoy those Fallen Flags of yours even with my rather limited experience compared to the majority of your customers. My European rail travels have been more extensive, but alas, I only have my memory to rely upon for data. And waht is that saying? The memory is the second thing to go! My contribution to humor this fine day.

The Southern Pacific was surely an interesting railroad and one that enjoyed immense success in their day. Don't know too much about the Missouri Pacific, but I do recall the trains with suffix names of Eagle. Nice color scheme.

Thank you Mr. Trolley Rob and Mr. Peter Wolfe - my contributions pale in comparison with the rest of you. However, it is always gratifying to receive some recognition for the effort.

Looks like a quiet day at the bar, so I will just enjoy the sandwich, perhaps have another beer and then get going. Have some things to take care of for my Monday departure.

I will try to stop by tomorrow - if only to view the photographs.

BK

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another realy Q-U-I-E-T day 'round the Place, but I thought it best to acknowledge a couple of regulars before this day passes me by .......

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 09:32:41

Nice effort - too bad about that problem you've encountered with the loss. Surely seems like doing your work on a WP program would save you lots of aggravation ....

My selection of the SP for an "ENCORE!" run was deliberate given your Pacific Electric theme begun yesterday. I agree, a nice fit. You may want to consider rerunning today's work on Monday or Tuesday given that we most probably will have very few readers - plus when the guys return Monday, it's anyone's guess whether the previous Posts will be read. Just a thought ....... That's precisely why I've resorted to "reruns" on Saturdays .......

We'll see what the 'morrow brings - hope it's better than last Sunday given only two of us took the time to particpate in the Sunday Photo Posting Day! - I think it was only two - Rob and the "Proprietor." Seems like we had more "conversation" than pix - which is the opposite of the intent. Oh well ........

passengerfan Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 10:36:36

Looks like the ENCORE! of the SP "worked" for you too! Did you miss the first Posting back on page 103 [?] No matter - the idea is to generate conversation and that it did! Thanx for the commentary and added info ......... This one "flicked" West Coast S' switch first time 'round ....... [tup]

Okay guys - I'll check back later in the day and maybe provide one more ENCORE! piece.

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

hello every one I am new to the forum and have asimple question,I have been collecting o and Ho for around 20 years and want to get into weathering some of my beatup stock,and ideas ? ore good sites online for free advice on this topic,thanks

[siberianmo]

. . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . .

This Fallen Flag was previously shown on page 106! from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview (T&P)

Passenger Trains:

Aztec Eagle (San Antonio-Mexico City)
Colorado Eagle (St, Louis-Denver)
Houstonian (New Orleans-Houston)
Louisiana Sunshine Special (Little Rock-Lake Charles)
Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis-Omaha)
Missourian (St. Louis-Kansas City and Wichita)
Orleanean (Houston-New Orleans)
Ozarker (St. Louis-Little Rock)
Pioneer (Houston-Brownsville)
Rainbow Special (Kansas City-Little Rock)
Royal Gorge (Kansas City-Pueblo)
Southerner (St. Louis-El Paso & San Antonio & New Orleans)
Southern Scenic (Kansas City-Memphis)
Sunflower (St. Louis-Kansas City & Wichita)
Sunshine Special (St. Louis-Hot Springs & San Antonio)
Texan (St. Louis-Fort Worth
Texas Eagle (No. 1 & 2: St. Louis-El Paso, TX)
Texas Eagle (No. 21 & 22: St. Louis-Houston & San Antonio)
Valley Eagle (Houston-Brownsville)

Of note: National Railways of Mexico operated the Aztec Eagle between Nuevo Laredo-Mexico City.
T&P operated the El Paso trains out of Texarkana and handled Texarkana-Longview trains.
Denver trains out of Pueblo were operated by D&RGW.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

PS I meant to say CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO not CITy OF LOS ANGELES in the sixth paragraph

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for Coffee and a diet pastrie from the Mentor Bakery.

Wow what can be said the Southern Pacific is todays fallen flag.

At one time the SP operated the following All Pullman trains over their lines the TREASURE ISLAND SPECIAL, FORTY NINER, OVERLAND, LARK, and CASCADE. Not all were fully streamlined but several were the LARK and CASCADE. The latter has the distinction of being the shortest operated all pullman streamliner. The train was inaugurated as an All Pullman streamliner August 13, 1950 and coaches were added October 11, 1950. Four through sleeping cars from the CASCADE ran to Seattle from Portland.

The SHASTA DAYLIGHT was the only SP DAYLIGHT to cross a state line all others (MORNING, NOON, SAN JOAQUIN, and SACRAMENTO ) operated entirely within the state of California.

The SP had three major transcontinental routes the Sunset route between New Orleans and Los Angeles. The Overland route Between Chicago and San Francisco operated jointly with the UP and C&NW. And finally their was the Golden State Route between Chicago and Los Angeles via El Paso operated jointly with the CRI&P.

Each route featured a Premier trains and at least one secondary. On the Overland route it was the CITY OF LOS ANGELES and the SAN FRANCISCO OVERLAND.
On the Sunset Route it was the SUNSET LIMITED and ARGONAUT and on the Golden State Route it was the GOLDEN STATE and IMPERIAL.

The Coast Line provided day service with the MORNING and NOON DAYLIGHTS and all Pullman service overnight with the LARK.

The Valley line operated the SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT with a postwar connecting daylight the SACRAMENTO DAYLIGHT between Sacramento and Lathrop. And overnight on this route it was the OWL. Never a all pullman train but never the less a very comfortable train indeed.

The line from Oakland to Portland operated the SHASTA DAYLIGHT and overnight CASCADE. Besides these trains their were other trains operated on all of the routes,

The SP some say were operating one of the finest passenger roads in the country when they suddenly began turning their backs on passengers . One of the reasons was the SP was faced with spending tons of maney rebuilding the prewar Daylight cars that were self destructing with corrosion and rust. Dining car s were removed from trains and replaced with the much hated Automat cars.
Whatever all the resons were the SP took a viable passenger operation into the sewer in just a few short years.

Ta Ta For Now

[Anonymous]

Good mornin' all of you "sleepless in Cyberville." Since I just "blew off" 6 paragraphs of text, this will be an abbreviated version (soft bound). If it happens again, I'll meet you at Boris' Birthday bash Monday. Tom, just a Folger's and a Bavarian today please. Let's see where were we? Oh yes, Installemt Two of the Pacific Electric! Your "Encore" on the S.P. could not have been better timed Tom. Since P.E. was owned by S.P., this page has unexpected continuity.

Every type, classification and genre of electric power could be found on the P.E. Let's start with the more well known 1000 series cars with the "wrap around" end windows, 2 trolley poles, and monitor roofs. These cars were designed by P.E. and built by the Jewett Car Co., circa 1913. Many could still be found operating through 1949 and they were admired by L.A. riders even after they were "put out to pasture." The largest of the interurbans was the #600-759 series called "Hollywood" cars and ran on virtually every line until abandonment. The "Blimp" #400 series cars were ex-Southern Pacific passenger coaches and weighed in at 63 tons and were 72 feet in length. A distinctive feature of the "Blimp" was the "Owl eyes" on the bulkheads, like some early Pennsy coaches you may recall. Of course, P.C.C. cars were later added, some single end, some double ended. They served the Glendale Burbank run for 16 years. There were Parlour cars for the "boat-train" service to San Pedro and Observations for celebrities and Road dignitaries. Henry Huntington had a private car at 63 feet and 52 tons which was reportedly one of the fastest and most luxurious cars ever "under the wires." E.P. also ran "Doodlebugs" to more remote locations.

Steam, diesel, and all electrics were used for mail, express and freight on the line. During W.W. II all 3 were used in tandem on some heavy freight consists. I will be searching for photo varification on this. Imagine the logistical power puzzle on operating them. Electrics had to accompany steam for trolley controlled signals operation. This bazaar combination must have been a sight indeed. There were a profuse number of tower, rail grinder, wire greaser, crane, wreckers, weed burners, portable substations and vacuum-cleaner cars, as well. Ill be back with a final note on the P.E. Monday.

Rob I know that all Memebers of "The Order of the Stools" will agree with you that to witness whole rail empires "go to the torch" in two generations is gut wrenching. Worse, a "whole" social value system went down in the same "flush." Not here, not so long as that epoch may be kept alive in these various posts from our esteemed Members.[tup]

One proverbial trap in any special interest is "exclusivity." Believe you me, when all other aspects of R.R.ing are closed to "tunnel vision," the seeds of "self destruction" are firmly planted. Thankfully, "Our" Place has not fallen to such a limited loss of input and, hopefully, never will. Which brings us to the Photo Ops Sunday feature which is everyone's chance to "say a thousand words..." Hope there will be participation by all who are able.

Okay, Monday will be a "Creature Feature" in more ways than one. From Noon 'til 7:00 p.m. (Tom says: Eastern Standard Time) the first ever "Our" Place Halloween and Boris' Birthday Bash will be celebrated in this "den of inequity." Scroll back for more details on what may be expected. For now, I must bid all a fine weekend and happy rails.