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[trolleyboy]

I thought that I would throw a curve ball at you gentlemen tonight. Instead of a classic juice, I will entertain you with an excerpt of... Classic CNR Steam

I will borrow some explinations from Ian Wilson's Steam at Allandale for the technical help. [tup]


So Classic CNR Steam #1 The Huntsville Subdivision

The Huntsville subdivision ran ( still runs ) through central Ontario in the Muskoka lakes district. It is a 111 mile subdivision running from Huntsville through to it's Northern terminus of North Bay.And down to it's southern terminus of Gravenhurst.

The local switching was done three times a week.These originated in North Bay on mon, wed, and fri.laying over in South River, and returning on alternate days.The Southern trains also operated three days a week starting at South River to Gravenhurst same three days a week will the layover at scotia ontario, and returning on alternate days.

The Huntsville switcher This served the Acme planning mills,Cities service oil spur,McColl Frontenac coal shed,( train coal and hating coal ) Supertest/sun oils petrolium spur,the stations frieght shed for lcl service,Anglo-Canadian leather's two spurs,Forest basket co( gone in 1957 ) and The Muskoka Wood products spur ( charcol plant )

Usually this train was called at 5:15or 5:45 am and was powered by ten wheelers or consolidation type locomotives.

Gravenhurst-South River way frieghts served
South falls-team track
Bracebridge-Sheir lumber,Anglo_Can leather's coal bin spur,(leather co gone in 1951 ) Imperial oil's spur,Northern planning mill ( two sidings) the Bracebridge station's team track and freight shed ( lcl loading )Muskoka trading feed mill


Utterson-team track ( pulp wood & lumberloaded)

Falkenburg -team track ( cities service ) ,Lumber and planning loads and pulpwood also loaded at this team track.

Martins-team track ( lumber & pulpwood )

North of Huntsville -Muskoka wood products spur ( charcoal ), K>J> Wallace( became international ceramic minning ) Taplins mill ( lumber and pulpwood)

Novar-back tracks ( pulpwood , lumber, from novar lumbermill )

Scotia- back track and storage tracks ( logs from Algonquin park ,off spot cars for the park line,) Baldwins ( small ice facility )

Emsdale-team track for Scotia Jct Trading lumber co. ( large volume lumber and pulpwood facility)

Katrine- team track spur ( little used )
North Bay - South river trains

Burk's Falls-team track( freight shed behind station )lcl friegth, back track coal,and lumber loading.Thompson heydan ( lumber spur )

Sundridge- Pineland timber,Oakville basket company ,team track ( feed , lumber,stock pens and grist mill )

South river - team track ( behind freight shed ) long logs for international shipping,) Coaling tower, stock pens ,( large seasonal cattle and pig auctions here ) Standard chemical ( charcoal out , boxcars of fertilizer and tank cars of alcohol out and in )

Trout Creek-team track (lumber & pulpwood )Glen Robertsons shipped logs to inco in sudbury and telephone poles.

Powassin-teamtrack ( for finihed lumber from Powassin Planning supply co,) One shipment of cattle a week from Powassin Farm Supply

Hills- team track ( lumber & pulpwood )

Calander-frieght shed ( lcl loading ) J. B. Smith co lumber& charcoal ( several sidings )Citiies service siding.

Nipissing-transfer yard,( south bound picked up at ONR yard then lifted local traffic at the transfer yard.All cars were weighed at Huntsville and all southbound trains coaled and waterd here.

These trains normally wer called at 6:15 am Typical power was consolidation some heavy mikes.

Passenger trains om this subdivision included mixed trains 263/264 for Algonquin park, Trains 41/44 and 46/47 Two day trains runin each direction between North Bay and Toronto. These trains handled considerablr hraad end volume in mail and express picked up and set out along the way.

Train 3 The Continental Limited This was the Vancouver bound arm of the Continental limited which passed through allandale ( Barrie ) just ahead of train 47. Motive power was usually a bullet nosed betty of the 6060 series(4-8-2 ) mountain type. Unually 11-17 cars including sleepers and dinning cars.

trains 49/50 Joint ONR/CNR trains that ran between Toronto and Timmons typical power was Northerns or Mountains

trains 51/52 Summer only trains between Capreol and Toronto power was usually heavy pacific types

Trains 55/56 Summer only THe Algonquin ran into Algonquin Park daily except sunday.Thes wer a tourist train from Toronto handled by pacifics and consolidations ( from Gravenhurst to the Park due to bridge restrictions )

Trains 43/156 Summer only trains from Toronto to North Bay usually a heavy passenger pacific or a mountain would handle this train.

Trains 45/42/148 night trains operated from Toronto to Midland via Allendale ( Barrie )Thes mail trains conected to the Meaford passenger trains and only operated as far North as Orilla.

A short version of the typically busy mid ontario trains on the CNR branch lines.
hope you stayed awake.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Tom Good evening to you again sir, not only will I not forget about your blue I intend to make you a Canadian or Black label man as well. Speaking of which i think I will partake in a said mentioned black label while I contemplate this evenings activities.

You see Tom you now have an out for at least some of your old stock piled brass rail. It should make a quite effective bit of third rail in the exposed spots. Excellant idea and attention to detail as always.

Good to see that Nick and BK have come back always good to have a few familiar faces around the bar. mind the "dillo" leavings however.

smalling first off a definate hello and thank-you for dropping by with such a wonderfull story [bow] Just the sot of thing we like to see around here. I do hope you stay with us and get to know us. I think that you will like the comraderie and tales from around the bar here. [tup]

Ted You sound right on track with your El should work in quite nicely woth your set up. The Birney's certainly were the most unpleasant car type to ride on, the later double trucked versions offered a better rode, but the accomadations were generally very spartan. Cheap and effective , though of coarse that is what was intended when they were concieved, many a street railway lived and died by them.

Ted the skeleton car loading and travelling guidelines were not alone in the mention in the book. They would cover just about any type of odd dimentional load and even the school cars and trains.Mountain railroading certainly had it's challenges ( not that I didn't say it's ups and downs,though I soarly wanted too. [swg] )

Yes I am a true loather of the laying and subsiquent wiring of track. to bad you can't wave a magic wand and it appears. Oh well in every lifew a little rain needs to fall.



Pete Thanks for the url to the Blackpool tramway , I have marked it for later retreival and perusal.I can't imagine what the ride would have been like for those poor people on those RDC's with all the stops starts and slowdowns. must have been murder on the brakes and traction motors on the RDC's as well.

BK As Tom has said he and I will be in Toronto in May reguardless you are most welcome to join us, for a blue a few train rides and I'm sure lots of tall tales. [tup] I hope your trip was successfull and contained at least one note worthy rail voyage for you.

Well that should catch me up temporarily at least, nice to see some lengthy stories of rail travel et al today. [tup]

Rob

[Anonymous]

Hi, I've already posted this by itself and in the TRAINS magazine website under Canadian Passenger Trains. I was urged to post it here too! It's a summary of my 1981 trip on the Super Continental and Canadian (VIA) to Vancouver and back.

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In the early summer of 1981 I took what’s probably my favorite solo trip, to the West Coast and back via VIA. I had just finished graduate school and desperately needed to loaf a little and get the cobwebs out of my head. The dollar was strong, VIA was subsidized, and I had a small cashed-out pension to spend, all of which added up to a good deal. I was able to travel first-class for the first time since I was a child in a sleeper.

Since there was no direct rail service from Chicago to Winnipeg, I decided to get on the westbound Super Continental at Toronto. I started out with a commuter-train ride on the C&NW to Northwestern Station, transferred to Amtrak at Union Station, and headed for Detroit.

There’s something you should know about me: I’m a jinx. Every time I’m in Canada some key component of the economy is on strike. This time it was the tunnel bus to Windsor, so I taxied across the Ambassador Bridge and holed up a couple of hours in a bar prior to catching the train for Toronto. My first-class seat on the Windsor-Toronto train was certainly comfortable, and the waitstaff brought us sandwiches, but unfortunately some engineer must have skidded a wheel because it was a rapid bump-bump-bump all the way. Gave me a headache and a half!

In Toronto, I had about 45 minutes until the Super Continental left, but after just a few minutes’ wait they let us on the train. The man in line behind me learned I was an American when we chatted. I couldn’t understand the woman in front of me, who was talking to friends. The guy behind whispered that she was a “Newfie” which accounted for the brogue. Although VIA had taken over the long-distance CN and CP trains almost three years earlier, the train was still very much the Super Continental, with its diagonally striped engines and heavy steel cars with black-and-white trim. I had a snug roomette and got my headache under control.

Many Canadians say the shield is boring but I was fascinated. I woke up at dawn and confronted the “blasted” landscape of Sudbury; then we spent the better part of that day arching around the shield with its piney forests and little tiny villages where the train sometimes stopped.

Both my transcontinental trains had “real” tablecloth diners. The food was not exotic and began to repeat itself before Vancouver but it was good: hamburgers with buns grilled in butter, spaghetti, that kind of thing. The prices were reasonable. The seating was not first-come-first served but consisted of three “seatings” for dinner, like on a cruise ship. I chose the third because we could hang around afterwards and smoke.

I was really impressed by the professionalism and considerateness of the train staff. My first sleeping-car attendant was a college-age man who made sure I had all the creature comforts. He was also modest to a fault; didn’t hit me up for a tip when he left the train in Winnipeg, but I had heard ahead of time that tipping before he left was the right thing, so I did. I was also impressed with the loving care that had been given to my sleeping-car’s refurbishment. It was clean as a whistle and was a full-step more elaborate and impressive than Amtrak’s remodeling of the Heritage fleet. I saw carpet-and-quarter-round used next to the floor instead of peel-and-stick fake wood trim, for example.

As a first-class passenger I had certain privileges, like access to the bar car. But a class structure was evident. Besides us in first class, there were essentially two classes of coach, if you will: people riding in daynighter-type cars who had paid a premium over coach were treated with courtesy and respect, but the conductor had no patience at all with some of the people from plain-old-coach. Turns out some of the younger guys were pass riders, a group the trainmen hated, and they practically “frog marched” them to and fro the diner—their only chance at penetrating the first-class fortress.

The Canadian Rockies my northern-route CN line train crossed lacks the manicured park setting of the southern, or CP route. Sometimes the mountains were beautiful; at other times they resembled God’s biggest quarry—more striking than attractive. The biggest travel disappointment I found was the dome car: it was simply impossible to see out of it! Not from dirt, but apparently it had either been refurbished with Plexiglas that then got rough treatment and scarred; either that or something was very hinky about the glass.

As I’m sure many of you know, a long train trip is conducive to making new acquaintances, especially with a lounge car to chat in. There were other Americans on the train, mostly the early-retired or the occasional cat like me who loved trains and was lured north by the bargain fares. One young lady from Australia who was on the train helped me find cheap lodging in Vancouver.

Coming back from Vancouver, I was on what was obviously the old Canadian with its lightweight equipment. I booked a lower berth because I had never traveled in a “section” before. Just as comfortable as a roomette, I thought, but unfortunately the forward bulkhead creaked like crazy! I was used to it by the second night, though. I believe the rear-end observation-car-with-dome is what is called the Park series, but I’m not sure. If anything the car was more social than the one on the CN route. Service was just fine, and remnants of an earlier life of passenger railroading were apparent in the observation area, which had not yet been refurbished but was clean. I remember in particular the blonde desk-and-chair suite against the fore wall, with its ink well and cubicles suitable to hold stationery, post cards or telegrams. I imagined what it must have been like 25 years earlier, with Marilyn Monroe or maybe Prime Minister (“Deef the Chief”) Diefenbaker riding in style. Truly a nearly vanished way of life, and it went away so quickly.

Disregarding the socializing, the magnificent scenery was worth the trip all by itself. This time the dome on the observation car was in great shape, and one had to wait one’s turn to get into it for a while. The crew was tolerant of the after-dark crowd but had to throw us out of the dome at midnight: none of us had realized that there were people occupying rooms directly below us. Nonetheless, the amenities were outstanding: I played bingo after dinner in the diner and the following day had the best omelet of my life while passing Lake Shuswop(sp??). Would it surprise you to hear that the chef was French Canadian?

I learned a lot on the trip about the country and its resources. The number of freight trains going to and fro, humping raw materials and auto racks, was astonishing to me.. The COFC revolution was not yet obvious, but the CP’s role in connecting the Orient and eastern North America was. Never a dull moment: shortly after crossing the Continental Divide the train passed a full work crew who had obviously just gotten off the track to let us by. The sight of 20 sweaty topless Canadian men waving at the train had quite an effect on the female contingent, I don’t mind telling you! Banff was just as pretty as the postcards and we had a longish stop there. Now, figure this: the post office was on strike but nonetheless one lady was holding down the fort, selling stamps, and warning us that there was no telling how long it would be before our mail could leave the country. (My friends got their postcards about three weeks later.) I’m such a jinx you’d better check with me before your Canadian trip to make sure I’m not up there disrupting the economy.

A late-night Calgary arrival found me needing a room for the night so I could sightsee the next day. Information sent me to the nearest hotel, which was a grand old railroad hotel basically clipped to the train station. As with all the other service staff I encountered on the trip, the room reservations clerk was extremely solicitous at my comfort. He asked if I wouldn’t mind taking the last room, the salesmen’s room, which has full of display material of the kind a salesmen needed to show his wares. I happily took the room and the pipe-rack clothes carts didn’t bother me a bit. The room was HUGE, not only large but high-ceilinged. Slightly eccentric, perhaps, but nonetheless a bit of luxury stumbled onto by mistake.

It was east out of Regina, a division stop, that I reached the height of my trip: a cab ride. All I had had to do was ask one of the trainmen; who got in touch with the engineer and fireman for their okay. In what I was beginning to recognize was classic Canadian modesty, the engineer talked down the prairie view and the old equipment. Just the week before he had had the run over the mountains; squeezed in with the operators was an entire American flight crew including pilot! The engineer also apologized for the “poky” (his word) equipment, since the elderly EMD loco’s (F7’s??) were limited to winter speeds lest the steam line break. I got to toot the horn and see what must have been thousands of prairie dogs go scuttling away. Apologize?? I was in hog heaven.

I flew home from Winnipeg with a million memories and a fistful of Canadian dollars; now made obsolete because of the Loon coin. Sadly, as we know the Canadian transcontinental trains don’t run every day; I understand the CP route isn’t operated at all in the winter. How sad to think that the fantastic traveling experience I had is now limited to people willing to pay US$5,000-plus for the Royal Canadian. As a result of the trip I became a converted Canadaphile and have visited the country several times since, but none so memorably as my transcontinental trip. [bow]

[siberianmo]

Hey Nick!

Certainly hope you are over the rough spots - sounds like you have had quite a time of it lately. We've surely and sorely missed ya 'round the bar, but your Permanent Stool is still here as is your staff job, Sir Chief Chef [C=:-)] [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening Gentlemen,yet another message in a bottle from a far flung outpost,-have just spent a week pulling down extra shifts and a weekend & more repairing storm damage in addition to the regular gigs,rehearsals,parenting and all the normal thrills & spills of everyday life--just thought I`d poke my head `round the door and say hello before I stumble off to sleep for 48 hours,night all nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin’,

I suppose the news of the day insofar as U.S. passenger rail fans are concerned would be the firing of Amtrak’s President – David Gunn. Rather than my going though it all here, there surely will be something said on other threads ‘n forums. This person was opposed to the administration’s stance regarding the selling off of the NE corridor and disestablishment of our national passenger rail system. Check out this URL for more details: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/11/09/amtrak.gunn.ap/index.html
You may want to keep in mind that these type URL’s don’t stay “up” for very long – perishable in other words.

Okay – on to the acknowledgements:

BudKarr BK
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 15:15:49 and 16:00:48

Hey, he’s baaaaaaaack! [#welcome] Back! From what you’ve indicated and perhaps our conjecture, you’ve had an interesting time of it in northern Europe. We respect everyone’s right to privacy, however, so prying isn’t part of what we do ‘round here. If you want to tell us, you will.

Take your time with the catch up – but not too much! [swg] Need some contributions from you as we really are getting’ down to the low numbers ‘round here in terms of daily Posts are concerned. It’s all understandable, given that people work, people play, and people have other things to do. I really understand that – I used to have a life, once, myself! [swg] Then I became Chief What’s In Charge of Overseeing a Cyber Bar ‘n Grill (CWICOVACBNG). [yeah] [wow]

I noted your presence on a couple of other threads and forums – good for you. Appreciate your “beating the drum” for new blood. Nice of you to do so. [tup]

Regarding the Churchill trip, there’s been no movement on it. Perhaps better for fall 2006 than now. In fact, I thought that’s what we were speaking of – however, I could be wrong – it happens! [swg]

Our Rendezvous in Toronto is on for arrival on May 11th. This is the month for any changes – if the guys who are planning to go decide to back out, we’ll go to an alternative site. But we’ve all agreed this is a “go.” Individuals of course reserve the right to do as their time and resources dictate. I plan to be there. So, Rob don’t forget about that Labatt’s Blue!

Your observations regarding our dwindling numbers are “right on.” I can’t take the full credit for keepin’ this thread up ‘n runnin’. Everyone of the guys you see on those daily SUMMARIES are and have been doing their respective “parts” best they can given the time they have available. ‘Nuf said. Thanx for the kind words, tho ………[tup]

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 16:35:18

Regarding the subway system – stuff happens! I will have some protective measures in place to keep these beauties from crashing to the deck floor below. [swg] In fact, I’m even considering installing a 3rd rail for the places that will be visible through my “portals” or “shadow box windows.” I have sufficient quantities of brass rail from track no longer used so that I could fashion something appropriate in appearance.

I think an El would be fantastic, especially given the period you are modeling. Absolutely “cool” idea.

Nope – only one Bakery in Mentor Village and if memory serves correctly, YOU named the Baker some time ago. [tup] Just didn’t want to have a gratuitous moment wreak havoc with the place that keeps our mornin’s happy ‘round here. [swg]

passengerfan Al
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 17:02:54

Now how did we know you’d “jump” on that MONON Fallen Flag [?] As always, real interesting supplemental info.

Your Email response was received – thanx! [tup]

Thanx for the round! [tup]

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 18:02:33

Glad you stopped by, as always! [tup]

Hoosier [?] Well, depending on where one is geographically in this nation, it has different meanings. In general we associate it with someone from the state of Indiana. But here in Missouri, to call someone a “hoosier” is an absolute insult, a derogatory term. So, here’s a couple of URLs for ya – draw your own conclusions, Mate!
http://www.indiana.edu/~alumni/fun/hoosier.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/internet/extra/hoosier.html

Regarding Monopoly – surprised you didn’t play the British version. Check out this URL (scroll down .. you’ll find the British edition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game) [swg]

Hope you can participate with us on Friday!

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual please.

ROB. When I was talking about the trams in the U.K. I have forgotten to mention a tramway which is still about today .It is in Blackpool Lancashire in the North West of England it opened in 1885 and is operated by the town . They have a neat web site with some pictures. It is
http:www.blackpooltransport.com
I hope it is of some interest.
Thanks for the speed restriction chart it must have kept the engineers on their toes.

TED Great story of the cereal boxes. Did you have the plastic model kits in your youth they were popular in my day. The companies who made them were Kitmaster and later Airfix who did some railroad stuff. Kitmaster done an early American 4-4-0 loco which was the first one I got. They also done a Swiss 'Crocodile' electric loco which a lad down the street had( they were a lot dearer if I remember right.) I know that when I did get an electric train set they did not take to being pushed very kindly. [sigh]

TOM Thanks for the advert and the flag and CM3 for the extra info By the way what is a HOOSIER[?]
The mention of Monopoly takes me back as lads we used to play on an American version with dollars and if I remember Broadway was the dearest property.

I agree that VIA-RAIL derserves a lot of credit for running the Veterens train I do hope there is some photos of it[tup].

Its good to see BK back
PETE.

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Guess its time for a CR and round for the house.

Could help but see your fallen flag piece on the MONON.
Always a small railroad surrounded by giants they managed to stay solvent longer than most ever thought they would.
Shortly after WW II when they looked at streamlining they found out all of the manufacturers were backlogged with orders so MONON purchased 28 surplus US Army Hospital cars that had been built by American Car & Foundry in 1944.
From these cars they created a streamlined fleet of cars to equip four complete streamlined consists One each for the Hoosier and Tippecanoe and a pair for the Thoroughbred. The former two trains operated between Indianapolis and Chgicago round trip daily while the Thoroughbred required two consists to provide daily Louisville - Chicago service in each direction. To power the new streamliners the MONON purchased four sets of A-B EMD F-3 diesels 81A-B - 84A-B. Among the cars streamlineed in the MONON's own shops were Baggage 30'RPO cars 11 and 12. $6-Seat Coaches with smoker 21-26, 52- Seat Coaches 27-34, 24-Seat Dining Bar 20-Seat Lounge Cars 51-53, 18-Seat Dining 10-Seat Parlor Observations 58,59, 44 Seat Grill Coaches 65-69, and 25-Seat Parlor 11 Seat Lounge Observations 71 and 72. The streamlined HOOSIER was inaugurated August 17, 1947 and the streamlined TIPPECANOE was inaugurated November 15, 1947.
The streamlined THOROUGHBREDS did not enter service until February 15, 1948. The last of the streamlined cars was not retired until 1968.
I wil;l always have regrets about not riding any of the MONON trains but did visit their former resort at French Lick and the rail museum located there.

[Anonymous]

Good afternoon one and all. It's "break time" around this "neck of the woods." So, a Gilby's & tonic w/twist please Tom. That will ease me through this 85 deg. F., humid day. The pastries ordered for Veterans (Rememberance) Day are indeed from Mentor's own Bakery. I didn't know this was a 2 bakery Village.[:O]

Oh, by the way, not to worry about losing the solemnity of the Veterans (Rememberance) Day traditional protocol. Having performed for over 20 of these "Armistice Day" (Veterans Day since 1954) occasions with The U.S. Army Field Band, it isn't likely that I would forget the respect and sobriety appropriate to the observance. Memorial Day ("Decoration Day") May 30th, of course, honors the deceased members of the U.S. Armed Forces and a legal holiday. Sometimes the two become transposed. Via rail, Canada and the U.K. should be commended by us all. Pomp and cicumstance apporpriate to long honored traditions is stedfastly supported by these respective countries and their citizens.[tup] Apparantely, the U.S. is the only major power that has developed an identity crisis, alas, these past thirty years.[:(]

CM3, thanks for the closer view of the Reading R.R. Looks like this Road made most of its "long distance" connection via other road's ROWs. Didn't realize Niagra Falls and Wiles Barre were in Reading's parameters. Rob, interesting stats on the speed charts of the B.C. Rail, especially the pyramidal log forms "skeleton" cars.

We called the single truck Birney cars "Dinkeys" and more than once folks landed on their keesters from their bone shaking gyrations.[:O] A standee was "at his own risk" and had better have a "dead man's grip" on the straps and posts. Thanks again for remembering the photos when it is practical.[tup] It seems that track work and scenics are unanimously disliked by at least 3 of us. Oh yes, nail polish remover works fine but I found Acetone works as well and is cheaper (wash hands, soap & water afterward). On the Country Club line (Kcity, MO), the P.C.C.s could "open up" and "stretch out" between less frequent stops. And yes Rob, they did indeed flatten out and "went like the wind." The cars in Pittsburg look absolutely like a galloping Giraffe (front to rear) on their limited access runs, almost comical really.[(-D] Hope you and Tom will enjoy the fruits of your labo(u)rs if and when the "Redbirds" are squealing around hairpin turns and derailing where you hoped they never would.[xx(] It's all part of the territory and we can't change that. Girder rail could be a good choice on those tight radii curves? Costs a tad more but think of the aggravation it could save.[8D]

Hope everyone is well and enjoying these Fall (outdoor) days. Soon, there will be plenty of "cabin fever" periods when "doing" the Pike will take the edge off being shut in.[^]
I am at the "drawing board" for possible expansion in the opposite direction. An "El" would add another dimension to my Pike and appropriate to a Cityscape. It doesn't look like a "high line" across "no man's land" will be feasible. I just don't have the room on the North leg to "bring it off" realistically.[V] Happy rails to all, see ya's soon.

[BudKarr]

Hello,

Back again and I presume that the routine starts over: Hello Captain Tom, nothing for me right now.

Has anything been decided for certain regarding that trip to Churchill that we discussed [?] It appears rather late to make reservations for this month, as I understand the bedrooms for November are just about booked solid.

Also is your May rendezvous still on for the May 11th arrival date [?] Perhaps I should inquire by email, but right now this seems rather convenient. My schedule for that time of year is in draft form and if possible I would appreciate knowing about the May dates.

An observation: it appears several of your customers are away and it is amazing how you are able to keep this thread operating at the levels the pages reflect. Then of course, it is you, Captain Tom, who is keeping the ship upright with the frequency and timing of your postings. Must get rather weary I should think.

Congratulations are in order for your coalminer3 person and the elevation to the Order of the Permanent Stools (club, association, covern?). <smile> I suppose if I can use BK he can be known as CM3 <another smile> Good show, your contributions are well done and on the mark.

Back to the review.

BK

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Crew,

I have returned from my northern European trip and am rather fatigued today. Still not adjusting very well, must be my age. Spent a bit of time in Iceland on the way back. Intriguing place.

I have not had sufficient time to review all of the postings and it appears that there are several to mull through. Therefore I will refrain from commentary other than to say I am pleased that you all are still here.

The summary pages were looked at for today, yesterday and the day before and I see that you are looking for submissions that are appropriate for Veterans Day and Remembrance Day. No guarantee, but I will try to join you in that.

Oh yes, before you hit me with a "rules violation," I will have one quick hit of VO on the rocks if you please.

Until later.

BK

[siberianmo]

Hey Rob

Cute, real cute - "my-fingers-are-stuck-togetheritis" is a way of life once I got introduced to that Greek guy named "Arthur Ritis." [swg]

Regarding the formatting situation - it really is a trial and error "thing" - keep at it and you'll figure it out. Using that feature of "Preview Reply" - then going back to your word processing document for eiding - and going thru it all again is time consuming, but the results are worth it. No matter - I appreciate the Post and have already copied it and it is now inside the front cover of my RDC "bible." [tup]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom it still doesn't look right. It lined up quite nicely on my end. Wierd. I figured that you would like it though. If it remains slow I'll pop in a few more tidbits from the "book". At least this way you can enjoy some of it till i'.m able to track down a whole copy for you.[tup][:D]

Nail polish remover should un-glue your case of my-fingers-are- stuck togetheritis. [swg]

Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Sun’s still shining, temps are beginning to drop (we set a record yesterday at 82 (F) for the date), and the wind is pickin’ up. Petrol is now at $2.16 (rounded) and dropping up at “Collusion Corner.” Ain’t life grand [?] [swg]

Some acknowledgements:

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 08:12:48

Surely your reference to “the Head Baker” refers to our friends over at The Mentor Village Bakery. Unless of course you have hired someone without the Proprietor knowing, in which case his or her salary comes out of yours! [swg]

Now, I have been assured that no one, or nothing, will jump out of the cakes. This isn’t that kinda day! [swg] Boris and his “pet” Tex the Armadillo are to be kept in line and away from the cakes! This is not up for negotiation, we’ve had too many “situations” with this cloven-footed transplant from Transylvania before. <Geesh>

Received your Email … thanx.

You are correct about those “Chance” cards, but of course there were the four railroads on the board as “property” – PRR, B&O RR, SHORT LINE RR and READING RR. Rent, if you owned all four came to $200. [yeah] Great game and greater memories. Used to play it with a friend and they stretched into days …… My three kids used to love it as well. I guess you know that many of the “street names” can be found in Atlantic City, NJ. Good old Parker Brothers, they really hit on something big. Today’s versions, sold by Hasbro, are localized and hardly resemble the board game from my youth. But then again, what does [?]

By the by, did you know that the SHORT LINE RR referred to the Shore Fast Line, a streetcar line in Atlantic City?

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 11:12:45

Okay – I guess my offer either didn’t catch your attention, or ….. Post away tomorrow! [swg]

Nice rundown on those Reading sleeping cars. [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 12:59:45 and 13:37:40

Ah, the MONON – known as the Chicago, Indianapolis and Louisville Railway until 1957. Passenger service was ceased between Chicago and Indianapolis in 1959. The RR was merged into the Louisville & Nashville – L&N in 1971. Today it is all part of CSX Transportation..

That is indeed a “class” thing that Via Rail did and I’d just as soon leave it at that. Once ‘ulterior’ motives and the like get kicked ‘round, the best of intentions somehow get skewed in the wrong direction. I asked a few friends of mine along the route to try and get some pix of the train, hopefully they will help out. If in fact that is a 32-car consist, it should be all over the news and Canadian TV.

As with you, I’ve been spending a bit of time down in my Can-Am Trainroom Annex – “home” of the S Capades (basement storage room). The landscaping ground cover is nearly done. Tree assembly (glued fingers!) will be last. <ugh> A slow go, for sure. But, it’s all part of the hobby and I don’t spend time with it unless and until I’m in the proper frame of mind. After all, it is supposed to be for relaxation and fun. [tup]

Regarding the RailImages “thing,” why not Post ‘em on PhotoBucket [?] They can always be moved later on. Just a thought …..

I’ve been scoping out the subway project and while it may have sounded relatively simple, it will be a chore of sorts. I never seem to get into anything the easy way. For example, how many guys do you know who build the trainroom AFTER the layout has been constructed [?] That was quite the challenge, especially with the “drop” ceiling. So, now I’ll become the contortionist when I try and bend my not so nimble frame beneath the board in order to construct the framework for the system. [yeah] Great idea! <frown> I am going to build the station(s) at my work bench and then “fit” it or them into the space(s) provided. Once it is all assembled, then come the “windows” which will be kinda like looking into a “shadow box” for the views. I also plan to have backlit illumination, so once done, I expect it to be well done. [swg] The latter takes time, which I have an abundance of in this segment of my life.

NICE work on that NOSTALGIA for the RDC speeds. I never saw anything like that before! Much appreciated. [tup][tup][tup]

(I see you used my suggested method … appears that perhaps too many (…..) were used. In order to remedy this, use the “Preview Reply” feature until you wind up with what is satisfactory. Time consuming – YES, but worth the results.)

Appreciate your willingness to help. On that subject, I sent an Email to a few guys on this matter, including you.

So, where's Nick and Dave [?][?][?]

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom this next nostalgia piece should be right up your alley. And everyone else's as well. it's a max speed and slow order chart from the PGE. I have taken it from the BC Rail book by J.F. Garden

Maximum Speed and Permanent Slow Orders Located Between

Permissable speed in MPH
RDC Units Passenger/Mixed freight

North Vancouver mile 0.0 & Britannia mile 31.0.35...................................25

mileage 1.7...........public grade crossing...... 20......................................... 15
mileage 4.6........... over bridge ........................ 20......................................... 20
mileage 28.8 &29.rock bluffs & tunnel............15......................................... 15
mileage 30.7 &31.restricted vision..................15..........................................10

Britannia Mileage 31.0 to Squamish 39.2.......45..........................................40
Britannia 31.0 to 31.2 .restricted vision.............20.........................................10
mileage 38.5................logging crossing............20.........................................10

Squamish Mileage 39.2 to 51.0.........................45..........................................40

Mileage 51 & Alta lake 74.4..................................35..........................................25
mileage 51.5 to 57.8...........slide area.................25..........................................20
mileage 69.3 to 70.4........... curvature..................25..........................................20

Alta lake mileage 74.4 to 78.3..............................35...........................................25

Mileage78.3 Pemberton to 94.6...........................35..........................................25
mileage 91.3 to 91.7......slide area......................15...........................................15

Pemberton Mileage 94.6 & Creekside 99.8.......45...........................................35
Mileage 95.5.................................over bridge........................................................20

Creekside mileage 99.8 & Lillooet 157.7............35...........................................25
mileage 125.3 & 125.8.............slide area.............15...........................................15
mileage 127.5............................over bridge...........20...........................................15
mileage 136.2 & 137.4 ............slide area.............20...........................................15
mileage 140.0 & 141.8.............slide area.............20............................................15
mileage 146.8 & 147.6.............slide area.............20............................................15
mileage 149.9 & 150.8.............slide area.............20.............................................15

Trains handling logs pyramidal form on skeleton cars.....................................20
Trains handling aux. cranes no 6071-6072-6076...............................................20

This is an exerpt from the Pacific Great Eastern timetable # 78. It was in effect startingSunday February 15th 1959. Enjoy
Rob

[trolleyboy]

Afternoon Tom. Tom ? Toooom? Sorry thought you dozed off behind the bar. Your head was getting quite close to the lit aroma therapy candles Boris put out to make Tex feel more at home.[:O]

Thank's for the uopdate on the LL "tube rockets" The all red redbirds will likely ( if any ) be the ones i go with. They are the closest to the TTc Gloster cars from the openning of the Yonge subway line in 1954. Structurally they aren't close at all but if it's underground who's gonna know ? [swg]

I'm glad that Via is going that extra mile for the vets.It's a classy move ( hopefully not just politically motivated ) A 32 car train has likley not been seen in Canada in likey a few decades. I'm sure that Branchline magazine will coper it. Hopefully Trains will as well.

Ted The PCC's do have a way of "loping along" don't they. The movement isn't so lively as say a single truck Birney aka " vomit rocket ". The funny thing about the PCC's that i have found when operating them is that if they start to pitch side to side or fore and aft ( yes on a rural non street line they will do that [:O] )b If you increase speed they level out. Guess they just want to go.

Funny Ted that you mention waiting for or enjoying the older cars when you were a kid. Heather's dad grew up in Toronto. He would go downtown to pay bills etc for hios mom. He would wait for the old wooden TR deck roofed cars,prefering them over the Modern Witt's,he had moved to Brantford just after the start of WW2 so he never got into the PCC cars. funny thouigh idf he visted family in the 50's and 60's he'd wait for the Witts as opposed to riding the PCC's.

Tom Haven't been over at the CS in three or four days but i certainly will chat up the 11th [tup]

I'm glad you picked the Monon. It seems to be a road that few people know off and even less model. How could you not with that gorgeous diesel paint scheme. Question however who absorbed them or did they just fade away ? I'm thinking it was CNW and then UP but I could be wrong.

Pike day for me I'm doing some trackwork in downtown Heaterton final placing of buildings etc. I won't post up pics to railimages till their upgrades are done however. Oh Ted i'm holding off adding your photo's to railimages as well. The gist of their email was that while they were upgradeing their server it was best not to upload things as any new pictures could be lost until their upgrades were complete. Haven't forgotten about you though. the new shot's of Ted's layout will be worth the wait guys as well.

I think that if I get bored of trackwork ( which I usually do. I loath it really ) I'll work on one of my older Bowser brills, I'm adding window glazing and some controller detatils. I found a small stash of old MTS imports trolley detail parts. Controllers , fare boxes, goose neck brake handles. I will use them on my better models. The bowsers.

Till later

Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #22

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.


Did you hear what the ‘49er said about the “City of San Francisco”

”WHAT A TRAIN, PARDNER! SHE’S THE FASTEST THING ON WHEELS BETWEEN CHICAGO AND THE GOLDEN GATE! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

Did you know that you can board a modern streamliner in Chicago and travedl at your ease the same route the ‘49ers struggled over in the Gold Rush? Well, you can. In the crack extra-fare ”City of San Francisco” for instance, or the ”Overland” that shows you California’s lovely High Sierra by day.

Until you’ve done this you’ve never really seen the West.

We’ve just issued a new folder we’re rather proud of, ”Planning Your Overland Route Trip.” Tells you all about accommodations on these great “name trains” (finest Pullman; economical Chair Car).

By the way, at San Francisco these streamliners connect with our famous ”Lark,” “Daylight” and “Starlight” south to Los Angeles, thence with other great S.P. streamliners eastward. Or with the new ”Cascade” and ”Shasta Daylight” northward, right past gorgeous 14,161 foot Mt. Shasta to the lovely Pacific Northwest.

Mail that coupon today for free folders.

”CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO” Chicago-San Francisco via Omaha, Ogden, Great Salt Lake, Reno, Oakland. 40 ½ hours westbound via CNW-UP-SP. Shown here with Golden Gate Bridge in the background.

SP AMERICA’S MOST MODERN TRAINS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon All: Coffe, please; round for the house, and let's see if we can find "Up and Down the Monon" on the jukebox.

My, I would like to see the Remembrance Day Train. I will have some material to post on Thursday as we are off on Friday.

The Reading handled a lot more passenger traffic than most people realize. A lot of this was interline service, of course.

Sleeping car lines that operated over the Reading for parts of their runs included the following:

Rochester-Philadelphia
Wilkes-Barre-Philadelphia
Chicago-Philadelphia (via MC and LV - that's one I would have liked to traveled)
Chicago-New York (via CN and LV)
Buffalo-Philadelphia(via LV)
Syracuse-Philadelphia
Binghamton-Philadelphia
Philadelphia-Detroit (via LV and MC)
Phiuladelphia-Toronto (via LV and CN)
New York-Toronto (via LV and CN)
New York-Niagara Falls
New York-Ithaca
New York-Wilkes-Barre

Not bad

work safe

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin' Guys!

Here's something you may find interesting.

Via Rail of Canada has put together a Veteran's Train that will take more than 300 Vets, military retirees and their families to Ottawa for Remembrance Day ceremonies on Nov 11th. This train will begin it's journey from Halifax, Nova Scotia today as the "Ocean," train #15 with a total of 32 cars - yes 32. The consist will include 3 diners and 20 sleepers (those numbers have not been confirmed). Change of trains takes place in Montreal where the "Corridor" train will supposedly be lengthened to accommodate the group. Return trip from Ottawa begins on Saturday, Nov 12th with arrival back in Halifax on Sunday on Via Rail's "Ocean" train #14.

A barbershop quartet will provide on board entertainment, and menus will have a vintage look.

What a grand idea! Kudo's to Via Rail and all behind the scenes for putting this together! [tup][tup][tup]

From the Via Rail website:

QUOTE: Remembrance Day Train fully booked!
The Remembrance Day Train has proven so popular that all seats are booked! As you may know, VIA Rail has organized a special Halifax-Ottawa return trip between November 9 and 13 for those who want to participate in Remembrance Day ceremonies. This year’s commemoration is doubly special because 2005 marks the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and has been declared Year of the Veteran. VIA Rail is grateful to its customers for their confidence and involvement, and wishes all Remembrance Day Train passengers a pleasant journey!

As some may recall, I was in Ottawa this last May - traveling from Halifax by train - for the commemoration of the War Museum. Although I missed the formal ceremonies by a day, there were sufficient "left overs" and lots of Vets to meet which made the trip such a success.

Remember, we too will mark the occasion of Veterans & Remembrance Days with the Posting of relevant material from our "customers." It isn't "party time," so let's not "go there!" Cake - coffee, no problems.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

G'mornin' everyone. Tom, I'll just snatch a crulller and a cuppa Folgers for now, thanks. "Take a ride on the Reading," I believe was printed on the Monopoly "chance" cards. Oh yes, thanks Pete for your remarks on the miniature Kid's trains.[tup] During the war years, few children were able to buy electric trains (shortages), so we fell back on wooden and card stock (lithograph?) kits and "cut-outs." My only streamliner was a kit made by Stromberg of wooden roof, ends and floor stock with card stock sides printed up for the windows, road name, details, etc. The loco was modeled after the earliest EMC (forerunner of EMD), first run of the "E" series diesels. The glued on Road features (loco) were fashioned after the Rocket Island Rocket which was a popular train of those times. I had nearly a dozen steam (card stock) locos which were "cut outs" from the back of Kix dry cereal boxes. Amazingly, The Kellog Cereal Co. paid some mind to scale as the U.P. Challenger was proportionally larger than, say, the 0-6-0 switcher. I used to pay neighborhood kids from my allowance for their empty Kix boxes and soon amassed a roster of about a dozen locos.[^] Passenger cars also were printed on them (usually 2). I don't have to tell you that I ate a lot of dry cereal in those days.[V] I also threw a lot of it out when Mom wasn't around.[}:)] The "Jig was up" when she spotted me "in-the-act."[:-^] OUCH![:O]

It appears to me that Reading passenger service was largely commuter runs around the Northeast "corridor." The Road probably was a competitor to Central of New Jersey and like "feeder" lines? The size and scope of a city of ten million suddenly comes into focus when we summize the number of Roads serving the "Big Apple."[:O] Monon seems to provide a similar role in and around the Chicago area. Good Fallen Flag choices again Tom, thanks.

Au contrare Rob, the U.K. and Canada will naturally be represented along with the "Stars & Stripes" Cake. The head Baker assured me that all flags will be of the same size and prominence on the topping. It couldn't be any other way![:D][tup] Probably all that can be said on the variety of P.C.C.s over the world could never be covered totally here. But, we sure are covering a good deal of the subject and that's great.[^] Too be honest, as a kid, I really preferred the clatter, and hissing of the older cars with all of their swaying and jerking motions "thrown in."[tup] I was proned to "motion sickness" on the subtle undulating of the "new" P.C.C.s at first, especially in the rear of the car rounding switching movements.[:I]

Okay, I'm running late as it is. So it is sayanora and aufwieder sehen for now. Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Monon (The Hoosier Line)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 573

Locomotives in 1951

Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1951:

Freight cars: 2,609
Passenger cars: 59

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Indianapolis
Louisville-Michigan City
Wallace Junction-Midland
Orleans-French Lick

Passenger trains of note:

Bluegrass (Chicago-Louisville)
Chicago Limited (Indianpolis-Chicago)
Day Express (Chicago-Louisville)
Daylight Limited (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Executive (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Hoosier (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Hoosier Limited (Chicago-French Lick)
Night Express (Chicago-Louisville)
Thoroughbred (Chicago-Louisville)
Tippecanoe (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Varsity (Chicago-Bloomington)
Velvet Train (Chicago-Cincinnati)
Mid-Night Special (Chicago-Cincinnati)

Of note:
Trains east of Indianapolis handled by Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton
Monon operated on Chicago & Western Indiana tracks between Hammond and Dearborn Station.
Monon operated on Kentucky & Indiana Terminal tracks between New Albany-Youngstown Yard-Union Station.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Early mornin' Rob

Nothing like a touch of insomnia to make life interesting ....... [tdn] The older I get, the more this happens. While you are a long way off (and remember, I have The Birthday Watch List!) [swg] the closer you will get to experiencing these changes in life. And who said it was just a "gal' thing [?]

Nice Post and glad that you've been able to resurface. Covered quite a few bases with that one ......

Subway sets are all over the place these days (daze); didn't know it until I began researching the subject for my new venture. I found my two sets on two different sites and both at the same price - $129 US. Wouldn't surprise me if that could be beaten by frequenting a train show or two, but that's the lowest I've seen on my visits to about two dozen sites. Trainworld in NYC has the "Red Birds" in stock - set #30300 and ships the day you order.

The Walthers web site gives good pictures and run downs of the LifeLike sets, albeit mostly unavailable and very pricey. If you go there, I purchased the red set with the silver roofs and the "Red Bird" set which is all red. I really wanted that silver set w/blue stripes, but gave up on it as all of my Email inquiries came back negative.

By the by - this ISN'T [#offtopic] Boris since today IS Pike Perspectives Day! [swg]

Your Email response was received - thanx! I concur with your thinking.

I have a suggestion regarding getting some "new blood" into "Our" Place. Why not 'talk us up" a bit when you visit over at the CS [?] There are a couple of guys who stop in (Fergie and Duke) and we could surely use some more. For example, our Posts coming up for Friday may be of interest to some. Between you, me and BK (whenever he returns), we could make some postiive progress. Just a thought .......

I've been Posting there for a bit over a week and can't say that it will continue as I'm running out of things to say. Not much going on that I'm really "into." However, since I regard a couple of those guys in rather high esteem, it's nice to keep the channels open for comms ........

Okay - I'm gonna try it again - catch ya later and enjoy your day off! [tup][zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM (all time zones!) Stop by for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our <light> breakfasts! Whatillyahave [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Pike Perspectives Day! A good time for those engaged in the model railroading hobby (or any other aspect of railroading for pleasure) to discuss and Post what they are doing, have done, or plan to do. [tup]

(2) Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(3) Friday is Pizza Nite! along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(4) Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With ample time to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]



INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 06:00:01 (157) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 06:01:44 (157) Fallen Flag – Reading

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 07:16:33 (157) Inclusive Post!

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 08:18:35 (157) Reading

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 12:29:52 (157)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 12:33:54 (157) reply to Theodorebear & passengerfan

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 12:47:26 (157) reply to coalminer3

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 12:50:41 (157) NOSTALGIA #21 – Ad – SP, Sunset Limited

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 16:24:47 (157) Customers of “Our” Place

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 17:32:45 (157) Inclusive Post!

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 18:12:13 (157) SP - Sunset Limited

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Nov 2005, 19:05:52 (157) reply to pwolfe & passengerfan

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom,day off tomorrow so hopefully I can be more talkative. [tup][swg].I'll nab a cr while I transpose my thoughts to the either.

Tom I'm glad that you are happy to help me spend my money. Though I'm not sure that Heather will approve of such free spdending.[:O] I may indeed add a touch of the red subway cars if i find a worhy set. Heck they may just run on the surface lines,dam the third rail and all speed ahead [tup]

Thank's for sending through the Reading story, it is funny how most people would automatically just think about that sqauare on the monoploly board. The fact that thier one train was called King coal sort of tells their railway history in a nut shell though dosen't it. ? Another fine archieve of the SP as well. I have to say that it is amazing as to how much of the country could be reached by rail during the golden age.


Ted glad that you liked the PCC bit. One could post pictures and info on them ad nauseum. Yes the standee's were and early and late part of the cars. Some early airelectrics from the thirties had them some from the 40's didn't yet you can see some built in 49-50 with them. As with the anticlimber number of control ends ( 1 or 2 ) or the type of doors the options were many between the major operators. at best the bowser model represents an early 40's air electric the less desirous bachman model a later 50's style ( with standee's ) I think that one could do a theseus on PCC's. Did you order a union jack and a red ensign cake for the 11th as well ?

CM3 Glad you were able to catch the PCC story as well.I thank-you for the info on the Cincinati cars in the latest mag. it's one that i may buy.To this point I haven't purchased any of the classic trains mags ( hopefully no lightening shorts out my pc [xx(][:O] ) Most of tthe Cinci Pcc's ended up in the high 4600 number series on the TTC.In fact the cars that ***'s line purchased from the TTC for the Dallas trolley routes may even be ex cinci cars ! Certainly one or two made it to San Fran. they were unique in having blinker doors instead of standard bi-folders.

Russell Thanks for the url always nice to see that type of info.Nect time if you stay longer alow me to pick up your ML or something more adventurous.

Pete The UK isn't unusual in forgetting their trolley / tram herritage. Not more than a 2 generations ago most major and some minor US and Canadain cities had a street railway of some description. I suppose that we had more fans take photo's in the 40's and 50's for posterity otherwise we would be in the same straits. Thankfully there are several good museums in the US and ours in Ontario still educating the young about what was and what may be again. You folks have the wonderfull Critch museum as well so your countries trams aren't dead and forgotten yet. [tup]

Al What can I say the maistro of mainkline passenger trains has come through again. Thanks for the info on the streaamliners that appeared on CN from the Reading. I'm assuming that they got pooled into the blueline Via's or were they done away with before then ?


Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ Guys!

In looking at that list of our current customers, the names of the “missing” really jumps out at ya.

I commend those of you who have stuck with this idea – and in no particular ranking, CM3 – Rob – Ted – Pete and Al are the faithful regulars lately. But with personal schedules, work and school, the forecast for drought is still with us. It may not be showing guys, but the load is getting rather heavy.

Some acknowledgements for the evening:

pwolfe Pete Thanx for the round and kind words regarding the Posts. Your Email response was received and I will add the descriptions to your pix for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thanx. [tup]

passengerfan Al Thanx for the round and the elaboration on SP’s Sunset Limited. [tup] Can always count on your for some great input and insights. Check out the “other” thread, there’s an interesting Post you may want to check out from agentatascadero.

I’ve always admired the livery of the SP – all of them. If I were to model a west coast RR, that would be my choice. However, I like to model those roads I can relate to, so I’m left with the “admiration factor.” [swg]

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
What can be said about the new Budd built Sunset Limited for the SP. It was SP.s first Budd built trains after they were becoming disilusioned with the Pullman Standard built cars with fluted sides that would end up costing hundreds of thousands to repair.
The new Sunset Limited trains were initially assigned A-B-A sets of Alco PAs between Los Angeles and El Paso. East of El Paso the train was pulled by a pair of Alco PA's. The train operated one type of sleeper only the 10-6 and coaches were 44-leg rest seat cars. The trains carried a 30'RPO Baggage Car a Baggage Crew Dormitory Car A divided Coach with a Newstand
. The train had three feature cars first was the "Pride Of Texas" Coffee Shop Lounge cars with 32 seat dining area and 14 seat Tavern Lounge . Next was the "Audubon" Diningacar with 48 seats and the third feature car was the "French Quarter" Lounge open to sleeping car passengers only. This car fewatured a Valet -Barber shop with shower, a bar and 39 seat lounge.
One sleeping car in each consist was a Los Angeles to Dallas car that operated east of El Paso over the MP. Another sleeping car was a Los angeles - San Antonio car that arrived late and was left in the station for the passengers until the next AM. It then proceeded the following night from San Antonio to New Orleans in the next days eastbound Sunset Limited. The Alco PA's were soon replaced by EMD E7 and E9 units between Los Angeles and El Paso. The PA's were transferred to the Overland route and the Shasta Route as they were great performers in th mountains. The stainless steel consists carried a red letterboard above the windows and was the first SP train with this paint scheme. Eventually this would be the passenger scheme for all SP cars.

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of bathams this sunny afternoon and a round for the excellent posts please[tup].

The computer seems to be behaving again.

Thanks Barndad Rob and Tom for the great photos Sunday.TOM has kindly offered to post a couple of mine next week.

The last couple of Flags were on railroads I had heard little about, thanks ALL for the extra info on them [tup].It is sad though to see how the Reading lines Locos and rolling stock went down from 1930 to 1963/75.

The S.P.Ad writer was brilliant after reading the headline you have to read the rest of the Ad they dont write them like that anymore[:(]

ROB thanks for another great Classic Juice and I agree with CM3 about the photos in Classic Trains, in the U.K. the older Trams(trolleys) seem to be forgotten by the rail mags there.

PASSENGERFAN AL Thanks for the info on the streamliners. There is a plan to re fit a streamlined casing to a preserved Duchess class loco in the U.K. this will put the loco into the same condition that it was when it visited the U.S. in the late 30's.The original casings were removed soon after the war.

RUSSELL. The wife had her friends over Sunday to watch the game having lived in K.C.
great result almost as exciting as soccer[;)] Seriously Footballs great and the atmosphere in Arrowhead IS unbelieveable[wow]

TED I am hoping to get to Union Station before the end of the year if I can I'll borrow the wife's digital camera and take some photos of the Jones train. Its worth going to K.C just to see the model layout at the station as in TOM's photos.
You are so right about the smaller guage trains, in my boyhood there was a 15" steam railway which ran around the Boating Lake in an amusement park at Rhyl in North Wales which kept me happy for hours. There was also a machine in the arcade that worked with old pennies. It was a model train and you had to stop the loco exactly on the station that lit up to win I Got quite good at it [^]

Well I'll have a pint and be off PETE.

[siberianmo]

THE CUSTOMERS of ”Our” Place as of November 8th, 2005

Al – passengerfan, first visit: 12 April 2005 – 2nd CHARTER MEMBER!

CM3 coalminer3, first visit: 14 April 2005

Dan – earlydiesels, first visit: 16 April 2005

Dave – West Coast S, first visit: 14 April 2005

Doug – barndad, first visit: 12 July 2005

Nick – nickinwestwales, first visit: 27 April 2005

Pete – pwolfe, first visit: 8 Aug 2005

Rob – trolleyboy, first visit: 12 April 2005 – CHARTER MEMBER!

Russell – Trainnut 484, first visit: 27 June 2005

Ted – Theodorebear (and then some!), first visit: 2 May 2005

That’s the list of folks we see ‘round here.

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #21

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.


Did you hear what the Colonel said about the “Sunset Limited”

”WHAT A TRAIN, SUN! THE FLOWER OF NEW ORLEANS, THE BOAST OF TEXAS, THE SUNLIGHT OF ARIZONA, THE SENSATION OF HOLLYWOOD. ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We’re happy to say that thousands of Americans are finding our ”Sunset Limited” a new and charming way to go West.

We think that you, too, will enjoy this sensational new ”Streamlined Train With the Southern Accent.” Especially with that New Orleans stopover. Luxury Pullman or Chair Car. Extra fare.

Your connections at New Orleans from, or two, points like Chicago, St. Louis, Washington, New York, etc., are good and offer fine streamliners. (New Orleans is a gourmet’s and shopper’s delight as you know.)

The ”Sunset Limited” takes you in 42 delightful hours through the heart of Texas, Southern Arizona’s winter resort country, Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

There, you can connect with other great new S.P. streamliners, can return by another S.P. route. You see twice as much. The little map shows how.

Why not try it this winter? Or next summer? And meantime, why not let us send you our New Orleans folder, and full information about this new way to California?
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”SUNSET LIMITED New Orleans-Los Angeles via Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs. Connects at New Orleans with streamliners to and from Chicago, New York, Washington, other Eastern points.

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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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[siberianmo]

Yo CM3

There you are! Love the way these things "sneak" in just at the time a Post is being put forth. [swg]

Glad you've dropped in - even for a "quickie" - so to speak. Round and quarters always appreciated! [tup]

Not sure I follow your "report" on the appearances of the Fallen Flags. Oh well ........ I'll keep puttin' these things into the Ether, hoping that someone's switch gets flicked ....... They will be comin' to an end though; runnin' out of material.

See ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]