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[Anonymous]

Hi again everyone, hopefully, all of you are having a toughtful, inspiring Veterans and or Remembrance Day in their own respective tradition of this observance. I attended a service at our local Post of the American Legion, followed by the words of some of our "Senior" members over a meditative, relaxing libation. Veterans of W.W. II are now few in number. So, when there is an opportunity, I listen and "listen" well.

My Sister's thoughtful gift of "The D-Day Experience" (and the Invasion to the Liberation of Paris) written by Richard Holmes and produced in association with the Imperial War Museum is a treasure trove of memorabilia on that epoch. I recommend it to all who have special attachments and memories for that epic struggle.

Tom, the "big band" selections on the Wurtlitzer are appropriate with the Glenn Miller Army Air Force Band, Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey bands, Les Brown's "Band of reknown," Artie Shaw, Kay Kaiser, the Ted Heath and Johnny Dankworth bands of England plus the crooning of Bing Crosby and "scat" singing of Ella Fitzgerald. Also, the beautiful renditions of so many "lilting" ballads that gave us succor and comfort during those soulful days. Two in particular forever "ring in my ears." It was Les Brown's "Going to Take a 'Sentimental Journey' Home" with "canary" Doris Day which always brings the image of cross ties and steel rails disappearing into the distance to mind. The other is the immortal "White Cliffs of Dover" by Vera Linn that brings a "lump to the throat" everytime. Great choices!

There are many fine posts on this day and I would just like to say that it is a singular privilege and pleasure to share them with such an august group as at "Our" Place. I would like to toast my "night cap" for all those who keep this really special spot alive on occasions like this. Good night all.

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 8 of 9

ON THEIR WAY

Shades are drawn down. Lights dim low. The landscape is blotted out . . . there’s just the hum of the speeding train.

These boys know what it means – the troop train is approaching the troop ships.

Some draw a deep breath. A soldier fumbles for a letter. Another wonders if he can make a last telephone call. Another draws out a crumpled photograph.

No, travelers don’t see this – but the trainmen of the Pennsylvania Railroad do, daily. And more so than ever now. As the swelling tide of American youth – fine and fit streams overseas . . .

Of course, it takes a lot of equipment for these troop movements – but with what remains we are doing our best to serve all essential travelers . . . efficiently, courteously.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BUY UNITED STATES WAR BONDS AND STAMPS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Pennsylvania Railroad

More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 7 of 9

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. . . . . . . . . . HE WHO ”steps up” ALSO SERVES . . . . . . . . . .

UNION PACIFIC is doing its share to meet the nation’s vital need for dependable transportation. It’s a job we’re proud to do. Over the “the strategic middle route” connecting East with West, our gigantic locomotives are hauling not only war materials but also thousands of Uncle Sam’s men in uniform.

Thus, it is apparent that travelers may not always find it possible to obtain their preferred accommodations. Perhaps only coach seats or upper berths will be available. To Union Pacific patrons, who we have had the pleasure of serving and will continue to serve to the best of our ability, we would like to say, “he who steps up also serves” and express our thanks for your cooperation.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Progresssive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Strategic Middle Route . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . “Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 6 of 9

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A BOY ON A HILL-TOP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

He used to wave at me from that hill . . . we lived just beyond it. He knew the exact time I’d be by . . . and I’d wave to him from the cab.

And on my time off, I’d go to the hill with him, and we’d sit together, my son and I, and wait for the trains to come along. We’d hear their whistle calling across the distance . . . then see the long plume of smoke come into view, racing like the wind . . . and as they thundered by, we’d both wave to the engineer.

Maybe there’s something in heredity – he seemed to have the railroad in his blood. When he finished school . . . well I rolled into the yards one day, and there he was – long longer my little boy, but a man. A railroad man!

He might someday have taken over my run. But, last December 7th, he was twenty-one . . .

I don’t know where he is now. He got is two weeks leave before he left. But whenever I pass that hill, I seem to see him, as he used to be, before he became a man and had to shoulder the responsibility of being a man.

I know he wants to come back to the railroad . . . and I’m going to see that he does come back! These Japs and *** who started all this – when they creep up on him and all his fellows in arms – even if they come with a thousand tanks and mobile guns and all the dive-bombers they can find in hell – he and his buddies will meet them with fifty thousand tanks and a hundred thousand planes and two hundred thousand guns. My job, now, is to get that equipment to the ships that’ll take it to him and to all the other American boys like him, no matter where they are.

And it can rain and snow and sleet and it can blow, and nothing will stop me. I’ll get the stuff through to him. I am getting it through to him. You only have to lie still in the night and listen to the rumble of the trains – the trains everywhere – to know that I’m speaking the truth. It’s my son, and it’s my country, whose lives are at stake, and I can’t fail and I won’t.

. . . . . . . . . . Published as a tribute to the railroad workers of America . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Invest in Victory . . . . . Buy United States War Bonds and Stamps . . . . .

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More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen,

I must say again that you, Captain Tom, have exceeded all expectations with the manner in which you have provided us with excellence in relevance and research. Well done!

Oh yes, perhaps I should purchase a round for the house - I'll have one a VO on the rocks if you please. Thank you.

Today I have visited several places, including a ceremeony for the fallen. It occurs to me that we have somewhat a "split" regarding this day. Is it to be solemn, as one member so eloquently phrased it, or should it simply be a day of recognition for all of the veterans who served and are serving? An interesting conumdrum perhaps.

U.S. Memorial Day is for the fallen. Great Britain, Austrailia, New Zealand and Canda hold that Remembrance day is for the fallen and the veterans of war. France has a slightly different twist to it and focuses more on WWI, which was the original intent for the 11th hour, of the 11th day of the 11th month.

U.S. Armed Forces Day is for those presently serving. U.S. Veterans Day is for the name it carries. When precisely does one become a veteran? Is it after having served in the military, or perhaps after a campaign, or both, or is there an answer? One of those thoughts that really does not go anywhere and is hardly meant to denegrate the day or those who served in the military. I salute ALL who have served and are serving. I especially revere those who served, not by necessarily being a volunteer, but who answered the call and served well, with pride and honor. I am of course referring to the multitudes who were drafted. The volunteers hold yet another place of esteem, especially war time volunteers.

I have read every word and appreciate the effort all have put forth on this day. Grand idea, Captain Tom and I toast you for your long and faithful service to our nation - 32 years was it? Impressive indeed.

BK

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and All.

A toast please for all Veterns Past and Present.

Very good posts on this most noteworthy of days showing how the railroads Stepped up to the Plate, as I believe you say over here, in the most diffecult of times. The skill needed to drive the often overloaded trains in the blackout many with hazardous cargos with the danger of air-raids is trully amazing.

After WW1 some railway companies in the U.K named a loco in Honour of the Fallen who had previously been in the sevice of that Company.

The London Brighton and South Coast had a 2-6-4 tank it named REMBERANCE.
The London & North Western had a 4-6-0 named PATRIOT and the
Great Central a 4-6-0 named VALOUR .
The name Valour is carried today on a North American built diesel loco Class 66 owned by the GBRf company.

In Britain Rememberance Sunday as it is known is commemerated by the sale of paper poppies which benifit the Royal British Legion. You may have noticed Prince Charles was wearing one on his recent visit.

At the factory I went to work for in Rugby, outside the main gate is a Memorial to the Fallen of the two World Wars. In steam days on Rememberance Sunday the loco depot prepared the locomotive Patriot by covering it in poppies. the loco was then parked on a bridge which gave access to the works ajacent to the Memorial. A service was held there. After Patriot was withdrawn the loco used was a Royal Scot class 4-6-0 #46170 British Legion. this engines nameplate was a replica of the Legion emblem with a lion's head and the words to the top and bottom.

I'm Afraid I dont know why Rugby was singled for this honour. Today the bridge and the Engine Shed have gone. Thankfully the Memorial and works(though much smaller still survive.

PETE

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 5 of 9

Like Father in 1917 ~ Like Son, in 1942 ~

. . . . . Americans feel at home in Britain. . . . .

Americans have always felt at home in Britain . . . in peace time . . . or in war.

Whether they have come over, equipped with guide books, golf clubs and cameras for a quiet sojourn among Britain’s peaceful hedgerows, historic landmarks, and the ancestral beginnings of American ideals, laws and traditions or whether they have come, as in 1942 with steel helmets, bayonets, tanks and bombers in defenses of these very ideals, by which both nations are so closely bound together in common heritage, Americans feel that they are truly among friends – in Britain.

Year after year, in happier times, British Railways have brought American travelers along the magic trail that leads into the heart of Britain – the glorious, colourful panorama of History, Literature, Tradition and Ideals.

Until Victory comes, as it must and will, British Railways continue to maintain their contact with their American Friends, through their General Traffic Manager, C. M. Turner, 9 Rockerfeller Plaza, New York, N. Y.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BRITISH RAILWAYS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 4 of 9

. . . . .”Keep “Em Rollin’ . . or Else!”. . . . .
says grandpappy engine 2414 to a 1942 Santa Fe Freight Diesel

“Back in ’98, in the Spanish-American War,” reminisces little Old-Timer 2414, “20 cars was an average-length freight train. By World War I, we’d upped our Santa Fe freights to an average 35.9 cars. Not bad railroadin’, that.”

“Not bad is right,” answers the big new freight Diesel, “but not good enough for World War II. Now we’ve stretched ‘em out another 41% to 50.9 cars, and those cars are bigger, loaded heavier, and rolling farther and faster.”

“Good work, son,” says Old-Timer. “Yours is the BIG war job. Keep ‘em rollin’ – or else!”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP ‘EM ROLLIN’ – OR ELSE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* No nation that does not possess efficient mass transportation can hope to win a modern war. In America that mass transportation job is squarely up to her railroads. If they fail, we lose.

Neither battle gallantry nor industrial wizardry alone will turn the tide. To meet this tremendous responsibility, we ask for every possible consideration in the allocation of materials for vitally essential repairs, maintenance and new equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DAILY THE LOAD INCREASES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To date, the railroads haves met 100% the staggering demands born of this global war. Many have helped make that record possible – the War Department, the Office of Defense Transportation, civilian shippers and travelers everywhere.

In the first six month of 1942 with 25% fewer locomotives, the Santa Fe moved 94% more freight ton-miles and 27% more military and civilian passenger miles than in the first six months of 1918 in World War I.

Daily the load increases. No man knows what the peak will be. We do know there is a limit to the performance that can be squeezed out of existing equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SANTA FE SYSTEM LINES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . SERVING THE SOUTHWEST FOR 70 YEARS . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . .

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More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

In keeping with the solemnity of the day, I will forego the usual salutations and focus on this special time for honoring our forebearers. Sacrifice lies at the fulcrum point in times of conflict when adversaries meet in mortal combat. For those lost to us through their "ultimate sacrifice," probably no words in the English language could state our deepest regard for them than those of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. Yes, I know, the words of his "Address" have been repeated innumerable times on countless holidays. If the prose has come to be regarded as nearly "cliche," the reason is no mystery.

Sacrifice in the trenches of Verdun, fields of Normandy, and beaches of Iwo Jima, were not the exclusive domain of our honored dead. Whole nations felt the heavy burden of self sacrifice. From Toddlers on powdered formula to the elderly on "short rations," every citizen felt the sting of war in some measure. Even in our own chosen liesure time activity of Railroading, one cannot exclude the the "war years" that changed us and the world. We cannot see a 100 car freight without remembering the endless flat cars hauling military ordinance (tanks, Jeeps, A.A. betteries, et al.). The Standard heavy weight cars in Pullman Green or Olive Drab bekon back visions of the venerable G. I.s hanging out of windows and waving to civilians on the station platforms or in cars on adjacent highways. Then, when we visit a museum exhibiting those magnificent steam "road engines" or the humble yard swithcer and invariably, some vestige of the frenzied activity along our nation's rails comes leaping back to us. All along, we were mindful that beyond the exhilerating excitement of this frenetic activity there was a very dark side to it all...the destination! So, "bitter sweet" may best describe those years and the very special "generations" who brought us through them.

May we all raise our cups in a toast to those who were our Shepherds through our nation's most trying and despaerate years. Hear, hear.

[passengerfan]

Tom Since it Veterans day I thought I might add this.

Growing up in Seattle I can still remember the troop ships arriving back in Seattle at the end of that war with the two Fireboats one named Duwami***he other named Alki. They would be using all of there monitors sparying water into the air, Also the Washington State ferries would be blowing their horns to welcome the returning troops home and waiting at piers 90 and 91 were the troop trains to return the men to their homes. Some of the trains originated at King St. Station or Union Station and the men were bused from the piers to the stations, but many originated right from the pier. Since Seattle was the closest major port city to Korea the number of troop ships was impressive. It took several trains to transport the arriving troops from just one of the arriving ships.
I remember on one occasion an arriving Hosptal Ship during the war and the trains transporting the wounded to the closest veterans hospital to ther home. Many of them went to the VA hospital in Seattle located on Beacon Hill just a couple of blocks from my home at the time.
Most were transferred to US Army hospital cars for the train trip home many the walking wounded were handled in regular troop trains with some medical personnel traveling with them.
Seattle was a bee hive of activity throughout the Korean war with supplies and troops outbound and later inbound as the war was ending. They even sold a bunch of Jeeps still in crates right off the pier in 1956 for $100.00 each, I know as my father bought one and put it together. He had it for years, I dont think he ever put a license plate on it.
I understand that many of the troops also traveled by plane to Seattle from and to Korea and Japan, but don't know much about that . The ships and troop trains received the most attention. I only remember the one Hospital Ship arrival.
Enough of my rambling.

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 3 of 9

One passenger – or one million

Those carefree days when a man could almost as easily as he’d are out for the duration.

Folks have to share the railroads with the Army and Navy, just as they’re sharing everything else these days.

We wish we could still offer you an unlimited choice of departure times and accommodations, but more than a million and half troops per month must be cared for first.

That takes a lot of cars and a lot of locomotives.

It takes the time of a lot of railroad men, for these movements must be handled swiftly and secretly.

After meeting all the vast demands of a nation at war, we are not always able to serve the public as well as we’d like to – but nevertheless with a little cooperation, we’ll get you where you have to go.

Transportation is our business as well as our duty - and we want you to know that every railroad man worthy of the name has his heart in the job.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . American Railroads . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Washington, D.C. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . United for Victory . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’,

It appears that we are off to a good start this Veterans/Remembrance Day! I highly recommend that you visit our bar several times during the day, in order not to miss the Posts that are still to come. [tup]

Today we will focus on November 11th and all that it means. Therefore, the “routine” will be somewhat different. Check back on Monday for the continuation of the Fallen Flags and NOSTALGIA pieces.

Some acknowledgements:

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 23:46:24 and 11 Nov 2005, 00:12:56

<Geesh> I was GOING to comment on your Inclusive Post! – but I see it wasn’t! No comment about the IC or Santa Fe. Fine! Bite him, Tex! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Thanx for your fine offering on the World War I piece – and of course the poem, “In Flanders Fields.” Very, very appropriate and much appreciated. [tup][tup][tup] to YOU, Sir!

passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:38:17

Thank you for your contribution on your uncle’s experiences during WWII, including the troop train! There are millions of stories, with the overwhelming majority of them silenced in time and all that it brings. [tup][tup]

BudKarr BK Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:57:30

Good to see again. Figured yesterday was a “wash.” Your URL was “right on.” While I’ve recently visited that site – I think it was Posted somewhere on the Forums a month ago or so – it is a great story. Given the feelings many have regarding France these days, the people of the times didn’t forget. Isn’t that what counts? Governments and policies have a way of “getting in the way.” It’s what’s in the hearts of the people that means so much more. Thanx! [tup][tup]

I will be Posting relevant material throughout the day. I may not get to your specific contribution for acknowledgment until later on ……Check the thread frequently, guys!

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

P.S. A suggestion for all: When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and whoever else is looking in.

I will try one of your breakfast specials, please and I will help myself to a mug of that hot java while I am waiting. Thank you.

Sorry about yesterday, it was catch up day for reports, meetings and the like. Today I have taken off in that November 11th is a day rather special to me as well. Proud of my service, proud of those in my family who served in Canada's armed forces and those of the U.S. The war to end all wars did not quite make the mark and this sorry old world of ours is embroiled in perhaps something that will never end. It is one thing to fight a foe, it is quite another to battle ideology.

My contribution for today pertains to a train called the "Merci Train." Ever heard of it? In 1949, forty nine box cars from France were delivered to the port of New York. Each box car was destined for one of the 48 states, with the 49th going to our Capital and our Territories. The contents of the cars contained gifts from the French people in gratitude for the help America provided them in freeing their country from the grip of the Nazi regime in Germany.

The rest of the story (as someone far more prominent than I, likes to say) may be found at this web address:

http://www.rypn.org/Merci/

I will check back on and off during the day, as I expect there will be many interesting things to read.

Thank you Mr. coalminer3 for your contribution of yesterday and also to Mr. trolleyboy for yours as well. Cannot forgot to mention Mr. passengerfan too. Hundreds of thousands of troops, actually more like millions, rode those troop trains. An era not likely to be witnessed ever again insofar as the railroads are concerned.

Captain Tom, you always come up with something unique to keep this place a notch above the rest. Good show to you and your crew!

My apologies if I have omitted mention of others, I am still rather behind in the posts.

By the way, Captain Tom, that was good advice regarding how to avoid missing someone's post while preparing your own for submission. I used that technique and "found" Mr. passengerfan's submission. Thank you.

BK

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom To early for anything else maybe a coffee royale and a round for the house and a salute to all of the veterans out their.

My Uncle from Missouri remembers his first train ride like it was yesterday.
He enlisted in the Navy in 1943 and waited two days to board a troop train for Naval Boot Camp in Idaho. Just outside Sand Point Idaho the US Navy set up a training base during the war and in the last few years they have had several reunions.
It was his first time away fropm Home and he was one of the lucky ones as the car he was assigned to was a regular Pullman not one of the troop sleepers. He was assigned an upper berth and so he did not have to share space. Those in the lower berths were doubled up, in other words two shared each lower berth. Sounds like the car was an old battleship ot 12 Section 1-Drawing Room car as he said the leaders occupied the only room in the car. The train originated in Kansas City and traveled north through St. Joe where my Uncles car was added and then continued to Omaha over the CB&Q.At that point more cars were added including the dining cars and additional Pullmans were added at Lincoln.
The train traveled the CB&Q route to Billings where the train was turned over to the Northern Pacific for the remainder of the trip to Sand Point.
From Sand Point after completing training he went to his first ship in Oakland it was actually a seagoing barge and he swears it was 100% Concrete. For years I thought he had rocks in his head untile I happened to find one of these oddities in Tacoma. WA.
He said it was shortly after the war ended that they got caught enroute to Russia in the tail end of a Typhoon and the tug that was towing them cut them loose and ran for cover in Dutch Harbor.
Eight days later they found a very seasick bunch on the concrete Ship/Barge there deck cargo of two large cranes detined for a eastern Russian port city were now at the bottom of the Pacific and the tug took them to Russia with the rest of their cargo. He always said it was an experience he never wanted to repeat.
When he returned to his home following the war he rode the WP from Oakland on a troop extra that traveled by the D&RGW and MP to Kansas City then the CB&Q once again brought him home.
Believe it or not at age 81 he still works every day delivering cars throughout the midwest from auctions and between dealerships.

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 2 of 9

”OVER HILL, OVER DALE, WE WILL RIDE THE IRON RAIL . . .

AS THE PULLMAN’S GO ROLLING ALONG”

Growing and GOING that’s the story of our armed forces.

Growing every day and going every night, for long distance troop movements are usually under the cover of darkness, in Pullman sleeping cars.

It’s a big job for the railroads to haul so many cars. And a big job for Pullman to provide them. But it’s a welcome job for both of us, one we’re proud and happy we were prepared to handle.

Prepared? Oh, yes. The way Pullman and the railroads worked together in peacetime – through the Pullman “pool” of sleeping cars – fitted right into the wartime picture.

Here’s how that “pool” works:

> Railroad passenger traffic in different parts of the country fluctuates with the season. Travel south, for instance, is heaviest in winter. And travel north increases in the summer.

> If each railroad owned and operated enough sleeping cars to handle its own peak loads, many of those cars would be idle most of the year.


> With the Pullman “pool,” however, over one hundred different railroads share in the ability of a sleeping car fleet big enough to handle their combined requirements at any one time. As the travel loads shifts north, south, east or west, these cars shift with it. They are seldom idle for when fewer cars are needed on one railroad, more are needed on another.

Now that war has come this “pool”operation of sleeping cars enables troop trains to be made up on short notice – at widely scattered points – and routed over any combination of railroads.

That’s what we meant when we said that Pullman and the railroads were prepared to handle the tremendous mass movement of troops that goes on constantly.

It takes a lot of sleeping cars to do it. Almost drains the Pullman “pool” at times. As a result, civilian travelers are sometimes inconvenienced.

But the war comes first with the railroads and first with Pullman – just as it comes first with you!

AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 25,000 TROOPS A NIGHT NOW

GO PULLMAN
Buy War Bonds and Stamps Regularly!

More to follow ………..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 1 of 9:

. . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . .

All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota.

The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits.

From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills.

When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production.

With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943.

The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY
ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC

IN THE ZONE Of Plenty

More to follow ……..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day! Time for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our <light> breakfasts! Whatillyahave [?]


A belated [bday] to the U.S. Marine Corps, created by Resolution of the Continental Congress on November 10th, 1775. Semper Fi! [tup][tup][tup]


Info for the Day:

(1) Today, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, we will be Posting information reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both.



(2) Today is Pizza Nite! along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(3) Saturday is normally a day when things are rather slow, so we use it to repeat some Posts of interest. We call it, ENCORE! Day. We are open all day, but the responses may be a bit longer in coming that usual. [swg]

(4) Sunday is Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED until 6 AM Monday

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 05:35:55 (159) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 05:37:49 (159) Fallen Flag – IT

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 07:59:15 (159)

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:08:19 (159) Inclusive Post! (159)

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:25:53 (159) reply to smalling_60626 – trolleyboy – coalminer3 – Theodorebear

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:36:40 (159) NOSTALGIA #23 – Ad AT&SF (1950)

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 14:10:17 (159) Vet’s/Remembrance Day Post – PRR

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 16:13:3 (159) IT

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 16:15:28 (159) reply to coalminer3 & passengerfan

(10) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 19:34:30 (159) Two days in a row!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 19:50:20 (159) reply to nickinwestwales

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 23:46:24 (159) Inclusive Post!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Gentlemen. I shall of coarse pop by in the morning but I had been up tonight thinking on what I could possible add to our act of remeberance tomorrow.

I know that many of our regulars have served in some form or have had family serving or served as well. Myself included. Mr Greatgrandfather served in the first Canadain division during WW1, I never got much of a chance to talk to him ( he passed when I was 5 ) From what I understand he would have been in Europe right around the time of the Vimy Ridge Battle ( I do not know if he actually took part in it ). I have sent away to Ottawa for his records and once they arrive they may shed some light. Heather's Grandfather also was in France in 1917-18 as well as a great uncle or two from both of our families. we were luckey all of them came back to Canada changed but alive.

We can only shake the hands of the survivours and thank them for their selflessness. Most of all we cannot forget, our allies and countrymen's deeds. We also should not forget those people of all three of our countries that are in harms way today. theirs is still the same struggle the world sought to end in those two terrible decades.

Normally I would watch the CBC coverage of the Ottawa cenataph services but this year Heather and I will go down to the Brantford cenetaph an do some thank-yous in person.

Finally I think we should also remember the other vets,from the other countries who opposed us. Not an easy thing to do in some cases, but these people suffered as well,and their struggles should be remembered as well. if for no other reason then to possibly forgive, and heal decades old wounds.

I'll leave you with a story. Several years ago I visited a small stone house in the middle of Guelph ontario. Made famous by it's once owner. Not for any heroics in the mud of French and Belgian trenches, but for his words which helped sum up, and to this day still tug the heart strings of those who hear or read them. Three paragraphs from over 80 years ago. But they still ring true today,their message and warnings need to be headed,less we find ourselves repeating history.

Lest We Forget.


Words by LCol John McCrae of the Royal Canadian Medical corps scralled down in his personal diary in 1915.During his break from the rebuilding of many shattered young lives from both sides of no mans land.



In Flander's Fields, the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place,and in the sky
The Lark still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below


We are the dead, short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunsets glow
Loved,and were loved,and now we lie
In Flander's Fields


Take up our quarrel,with the foe
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flander's Fields.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom. A fairly slow day but all seems to be well. I'll have a label and some of Nick's exquisite left overs.

The It is an interesting choice. Ted and I may have had a juice effect on you after all [swg] The IT had some monster articulated freight motors four truckers, which hefted if I remeber correctly close to 4000hp. they are of coarse known for their interurban cars and Al has nicley explained their last and perhaps best in typical Al flair [bow]

Carlings Black label was likly the first beer I ever had I do still like it today but it's not as common as it once was. Maybe Mabel decided that she wanted more Royalties [swg]

Im glad you liked the CNR steaam bit. i will not take full credit for it the essence was of coarse hashed out by Ian Wilson, the guru of branch and mainline CNR steam. I figure that I'll tickle everyones fancy with a bit like this periodically. And shamlessly plug his books for him. Next volume in CNR steam in Northern Ontario is due out early in February it will be released at the Copetown Ontario train show as have his previous 5 books.

Ted I concur with you Pete's url was womderfull. those are some well loved and cared for trolley's. Make sure you keep us posted on Wed's on the never ending saga of the El. As I had said before I think it's a can't miss edition to your rendition of KC!

CM3 Thank's for the start of of the rememberances. Your post goes to,show the absolute importance of the rail infrastructure, in moving people and supplies. Roads on both side of the boarder and in Europe certainly impacted the ends of both world wars.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Yo Nick

Received your Email reply and you pose an interesting sub-plot indeed! I'm all for it! Will require a bit of ......... let's talk some more! [swg]

So, Chief Chef [C=:-)] is baaaaaaaack! Now, I wouldn't put that spread out wherever Tex the Armadillo happens to be. Fish 'n Armadillos, hmmmmmmm.

Almost forgot how tasty a meal we've had 'round here on Thursdays ... been awhile, eh [?] Glad you'r back! [tup]

Hope you can stop in for our Veterans/Remembrance Day celebration. It's not a party, although Ted has arranged for three cakes (one for each flag), with no one or nothing jumpin' or leapin' out of 'em! [swg]

Later, Mate!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Hey Tom,I see you there-an Alexanders for yourself and I`ll have a Staropramen,-Now,if memory serves,its thursday-therefore,Fish & Chip night is upon us again.
I`ve had a quick look around the galley and whilst there are one or two small matters which I will be discussing with Boris later,generally,all is well .Thus,tonight `Our Place` is delighted to offer-Cod & Haddock in batter,Whole-Tail scampi or `Surf & Turf` (8oz gammon with Tiger Prawns) with fries,coleslaw,salad bowl & breads --OR---Wing of Skate au beurre noisette,baby peppers stuffed with white crab meat on a bed of salad,Cleddau Bass poached in lime,rum & ginger & grilled lemon Sole all served with pommes duchesse,veg de jour and hot breads---dessert trolley available-------spread the word,if you want to eat out-eat at `Our Place`.............bed time,night all,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Okay Cindy I'm back and I thank you for watching the "store"! Doesn't appear as if you had very many customers today - just one regular. Hope he behaved himself! [swg] What's that [?] Ohhhhhhhh [censored]

Hey CM3 that's quite a compilation you put together on my most favorite RR of all time - the PRR/Pennsy! [tup][tup][tup] Sure is nice knowing that the "information age " hasn't dried up yet. [swg]

Man oh man - I'll have to really go thru all of that Post of yours - which I will - in order to fully absorb it all. Appreciate your particpation, albeit a day early. But "you done good!"

Music for tomorrow is all "big band" with a few others from Great Britain - sing it , Vera!
(That's Vera Lynn Welch of East Ham, London, who was extremely popular during WWII. One song comes to mind - "Auf Wiederseh'n Sweetheart" along with perhaps her most popular "war song," "We Will Meet Again.")

Here's a URL for anyone interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Lynn

Hope to see ya soon - but I suspect it won't be 'til Monday. So enjoy the weekend!

Hey Al Snuck that Post right in, dintcha [?] [swg]

Appreciate the info on the IT [tup] What a sad demise for their passenger operation and equipment. If you can find some photos, it would really fit in quite well with our Sunday Photo Posting Day!. Why not give it a go [?]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
The IT was an interesting road from a passengers point of view as this was all heavy Interurban the routes passenger service was operated over.
After WW II they purchased ight streamlined MU's to make up three trains. The MU's were built by St. Louis car and resembled the Electroliners except they were not articulated . Not surprising they resembled the Electroliners since they were both built by St. Louis Car Co.
The three IT trains were compirised of two three car and one two car train.Both the three car and two car trains Featured a shovelnose Cab unit with small baggage compartment and 44 Coach seats numbers 300-302,and a Parlor Observation with a Buffet and 21 Parlor Seats These were numbered and named 350 LOUIS JOLLIET 351 SHADRACH BOND and 352 PIERRE LACLEDE. The two three car trains also had a 56-seat coach MU they were numbered 330 and 331.
The first streamliner to enter service was the two car CITY OF DECATUR on November 7, 1948 operating a daily St. Louis - Decatur round trip of 108.1 miles each way in 3 Hours 57 minutes. The consist was 302 Cab Baggage 40-Revenue Seat Coach and 252 PIERRE LACLEDE 8-Seat Buffet 21-Seat Lounge Observation. The service was discontinued in 1950 and the train became the SANGAMON operating between St. Louis and East Peopia a distance of 171. 5 miles in 4 hours 25 minutes.
The first three car train FORT CREVECOUR entered service February 27, 1949 between St. Louis and Peoria round trip daily wth the following consist.

300 Control Cab Baggage 40 Revenue Seat Coach
330 56-Revenue Seat Coach
350 LOUIS JOLLIET 8-Seat Buffet 21-Seat Parlor Observation

The second three car train MOUND CITY entered service April 10, 1949 between St. Louis and E. Peoria round trip daily. with the following consist.

301 Control Cab Baggage 40-Revenue Seat Coach
331 56-seat Coach
351 SHADRACH BOND 8-Seat Buffet 20- Seat Parlor Observation

All three streamlined IC trains were discontinued in 1955 and spent years thereafter in a St. Louis scrapdealers lot before finally being dismantled. It is said the scrap dealer had hoped to find a buyer for the almost new cars but never had any luck, that was why they spent so many years in the scrapyard before meeting their fate. The trains were painted white and Blue with fluted stainless steel panels below the windows.

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon: Coffee, please, round for the house, and how about some Big Band items on the jukebox since we are heading into Veterans/Remembrance Day.

I went looking through some wartime era PRR material in the "vault."

First is a list of PRR-operated sleeping car lines in 1942.

Second is a list of scheduled times of PRR trains on Horseshoe Curve in 1942. This is just the scheduled trains, no main trains, freight, extras, etc.

People sometimes ask if I had a time machine what would I like to see. First is always the parade of NYC trains behind steam along the Hudson. Next is PRR in the 1940s, closely followed by a visit to Buffalo in abt. 1943-1944.

THE PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD

Pennsylvania Railroad Sleeping Car Service (1942)

Chicago-New York
Harrisburg-Pittsburgh
Chicago-Pittsburgh
St. Louis-Columbus
Chicago-Washington
St. Louis-New York
Chicago-Scranton (via DL&W at Sunbury)
St. Louis-Washington
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia
Indianapolis-New York
Pittsburgh-Atlantic City
Indianapolis-Washington
Chicago-Boston (via New York)
St. Louis-Pittsburgh
Chicago-Cleveland
Louisville-Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh-Boston
Columbus-New York
Pittsburgh-Springfield, MA
Columbus-Washington
Pittsburgh-Baltimore
Cincinnati-New York
Louisville-New York
Birmingham-New York
Cincinnati-Cleveland
Memphis-New York
Pittsburgh-Harrisburg
Washington-Indianapolis
Detroit-Cincinnati

Horseshoe Curve Times (1942)

No. Train For Time
31 Spirit of St. Louis St. Louis 12:02 a.m.
65 Jeffersonian St. Louis 12:08 a.m.
22 Manhattan Limited New York 12:44 a.m.
116-66 Fort Hayes/American New York/ Washington 1:12 a.m.
23 Manhattan Limited Chicago 1:16 a.m.
76 Trail Blazer New York/ Washington 1:18 a.m.
22-50 Manhattan Limited/Statesman Washington 1:36 a.m.
22-36 Manhattan Limited/ Philadelphia Express Philadelphia 2:11 a.m.
70 Admiral New York 2:18 a.m.
33-27 St. Louis 2:33 a.m.
67 American St. Louis 2:41 a.m.
58 Liberty Limited Washington 2:45 a.m.
908-30 Spirit of St. Louis New York/ Washington 2:57 a.m.
48 General New York 3:19 a.m.
908-64 Jeffersonian New York 3:34 a.m.
28 Broadway Limited New York 3:41 a.m.
35-79 Pittsburgh Night Express/ Golden Arrow Chicago 4:51 a.m.
37-79 Iron City Express/Golden Arrow Chicago 5:00 a.m.
78 Pennsylvanian New York/ Washington 5:14 a.m.
51-79 Statesman/Golden Arrow Chicago 5:50 a.m.
79-43-267-11 Golden Arrow/Rainbow Chicago 5:57 a.m.
42 Rainbow New York 6:58 a.m.
6-18 Philadelphia 8:24 a.m.
2 Pennsylvania Limited New York/ Washington 9:49 a.m.
12-113 Chicago 10:38a.m.
54 Gotham Limited New York/ Washington 1 10:52 a.m.
62-72 Golden Triangle/Juniata New York/ Washington 12:06 p.m.
44-24 Pittsburgh Express New York/ Washington 2:31 p.m.
26-24 New York/ Washington 2:31 p.m.
25-15-155-33-109 Metropolitan/Chicago Express/Ohioan
Chicago /St. Louis 2:33 p.m.
75-63 Duquesne/Golden Triangle Chicago 5:56 p.m.

120-46-186 Mail New York 6:39 p.m. (Sat. only)
33-63 St Louisan/Golden Triangle Chicago 7:29 p.m.
118-18 Mail Philadelphia 8:24 p.m. (Xpt Sat.)
5 Pennsylvania Limited Chicago 9:14 p.m.
49 General Chicago 10:42 p.m.
52 New Yorker New York 11:09 p.m.
59 Liberty Limited Chicago 11:23 p.m.
77 Trail Blazer Chicago 11:30 p.m.
29 Broadway Limited Chicago 11:44 p.m.

Here's some ad copy

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It's more important now than ever that your plant should be geared to adequate transportation. Ask any of these Pennsylvania Railroad representatives about locations now available."

Here's another

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Led by Broadway Limited
5 Fine Trains Daily to Washington
Led by Liberty Limited

Best of all, this convenient service offered by Pennsylvania Railroad between Chicago and the East is available every day - regardless of weather!

So, to be on time for National Defense or other business appointments step aboard this All-Westher Fleet.

Finest Pullman accommodations - roomettes, duplex rooms, bedrooms, compartments, drawing rooma, master rooms, sections. For coach passengers, reclinging-seat coaches on practically all through trains. Low fares - both Pullman and coach."

work safe

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #23

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1950 advertisement in my personal collection.


You arrive and depart Down-Town on the Santa Fe – not out in the country

When you’re gong somewhere, you want to be there when you arrive.

Go Santa Fe. You leave on your trip when you plan to leave.

You arrive relaxed, refreshed, at a convenient station right downtown, close to your hotel or office.

Travel Santa Fe and you choose accommodations to suit yourself. You get privacy as you like it. You have room to roam around when you want it. You enjoy wonderful Fred Harvey meals.

You be the judge. Go Santa Fe all the way!

Ride great trains through a great country

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[siberianmo]

G’day All,

First a bit of “in house stuff”: I will be away for most of the morning and afternoon. Cindy will have the bar. Be nice, boyz! Remember, Boris and his pet, Tex the Armadillo will be “guarding” her. [swg]

I see we have had a new visitor and that’s appreciated. More when I get into the acknowledgments. There is an ongoing effort underway by some of the guys to get some “new blood” into the bar ‘n grill. The idea is to be “selective” and I don’t have to tell any of you what that means. We are not at all interested in the frivolous nonsense, nor the immature. Our Posts are full of great info on Classic Trains – real or model along with some adult humor to add a bit of “spice” to the place. Pretty simple approach I’d say.

smalling_60626 Allen Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 20:32:13

Hello Allen – First – thanx for taking me up on the invitation to stop by ”Our” Place. I think you’ll enjoy what we do ‘round here and I know the guys will appreciate conversing with you. I note that you have included some personal info in your Profile – that’s something we appreciate and feel free to “check us out” as well. It’s a great way to get to know one another! [tup]. We do have a couple of guys who aren’t “into” sharing very much of their personal lives – and we respect that. It’s pretty much the way one conducts himself ‘round here that counts with us.

As I’ve indicated on the “other” thread, your Post is precisely what we are all about. My “take” on what you have said and the way you’ve said it, is that there are more stories to come! Let ‘em rip! [tup]

You will find that I am pretty much the “consummate” VIA Rail traveler ‘round here. Been doing so for over 15 years. Of course with family in Nova Scotia, it helps! Anyway, as we get to know one another, you may find the time to review some of my Posts regarding the “Ocean” and the “Canadian” trips I’ve taken. Also have lots of photos (pix – as we call ‘em) on the pages, or better yet, within my photo albums.

Let me quickly run through a few things you may wi***o know about ”Our” Place:

We are not at all like the majority of threads out there on the Forums, in that we acknowledge one another and take the time to greet the barkeep upon entering, and of course order something (have to pay the bills dontcha know!?). We absolutely detest the “hit ‘n run” type of visitor – one who ‘drops’ a comment, no greeting, no acknowledgment of others, and rarely returns. Those are unwelcome ‘round here and we do our best to ensure they don’t return.

Classic Trains is what we are about and a good way to begin the learning curve is to review page 1 of this thread. Then I’d recommend going back to page 153 start there for some samplings of the Posts and daily SUMMARIES. You’ll quickly get the idea.

Next time you stop in, you’ll get the “official” welcome and a complimentary drink! [tup]

Appreciate your time and effort to visit with us! [tup][tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 22:50:58 and 23:55:47

Black Label [?] Heck, I was consuming that when Moby *** was a minnow! [swg] Carlings was then brewed in Baltimore, MD and put out some fine brew. Looking forward to my “reunion” with it. Of course, I’ll have to “kill the taste” with a Blue or three! [swg]

Isn’t it something the way things work out [?] Just a week or so ago I was commenting about the excess brass track – and now that I’m into constructing my subway system – Bam – a use! [tup] [yeah] I think a third rail will look just fine and all I have to figure out is how to go about doing it!! But as with most things in model railroading, it will come ……

Regarding the laying of track and wiring – that’s my speciality! I detest the landscaping – well, not as much as I used to. I’m also not “into” scratch building, but have “kit bashed” thing or two. Too bad we all aren’t in some reasonable proximity – what a Club we could form! [yeah]

Man oh man you put a lot into that Classic CNR Steam #1 Post and it shows. Well done, m’boy, well done! Have one on me! [tup][tup][tup] I am going to have to redesign that Index section on the Monday SUMMARY if you keep going with these super fine contributions. [swg] Really appreciate the time and effort you put into keeping this thread up ‘n runnin’ but, I’ve said that a few zillion times, haven’t I [?] I guess there are only so many ways one can express appreciation for your Inclusive Posts! and informative offerings.

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 07:59:15

That’s gotta be the shortest Post yet – you MUST be busy! We’ll be looking for your Vets Day offering later on …….Thanx for the info on the books and of course the round and quarters for the Wurltizer!

Okay guys – I gotta get movin’. The daily NOSTALGIA piece will be Posted before I go and the rest is up to y’all to keep this place of ours hoppin’.

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:08:19

G’day Manager Ted Nice Inclusive Post! from you too. [tup][tup] They are comin’ rather fast ‘n furious on this mornin’ that I must be getting’ a move on. Isn’t that always the way [?]

I had no clue that the Illinois Terminal ran passenger trains. This truly is an education experience with those Fallen Flags even if I am the “creator.” [swg]

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

P.S. A suggestion for all: When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[Anonymous]

What a great start for a Thursday morning. Tom, I'll take a squeeze of grapefruit, Bavarian creme and a splash of Juan Valdez, please. Nickinwestwales [C=:-)], we were beginning to think the West winds had carried you away to some exotic spot like a cruise ship gig. So glad to have you back in the "fold." Smalling Allen, you surely came along at the right time. The narrative of your rail adventure through the North Country was lucidly clear and nearly like "being there."[tup] Welcome to "Our" Place and we hope you won't be a stranger in the future. Is there anything finer than being pampered in "first class" on your favorite means of travel?[^]

Pete indeed, after the war (at first) cheap rubber toys and then plastic kits became available to kids of my generation. Revell, Lindbergh, Airfix and Monogram come to mind but there were others too. HO train kits of "stamped" metal sides, wooden floors/roofs and Zamac die cast ends were available from about 1947 forward. However, decent running trucks (bogies) were a problem until the early 1950s. My first purchase in HO was a John A. English Alco FA-1 which I bought "Lay-Away" (30-60-90 days same as cash). I paid $20. for it at $10. @ month. So in 2 months time, it was "all" mine. More of this later. Thank you for the "Blackpool Transport" URL, those Trams are exquisite and beautifully maintained.[tup] The "double decks" and "open" cars must be very popular in summer.

Passengerfan Al, how on earth did Monon manage to "make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear?" As I recall the later Army Hospital Cars were smooth sides with passenger vestibules but any resemblance to a streamilined car ends there.[:)] I'll try to find any pix of same on the net, really curious.

Tom, the Illinois Terminal "Flag" may be obscure to many but I recall seeing their freight rolling stock often on some of my road trips throughout the midwest. As to the change of Amtrak's "Honcho," there may be more than one way of judging the move. The only profitable division is the Northeastern Corridor and even that has been compromised in service by the horrendous losses incurred from other unprofitable divisions. The System is "locked in" a pitiable "rob Peter to pay Paul" scenario that can only continue to be a self consuming fiscal liability to tax payers. If Amtrak were allowed to keep their present budget and sell off the Boston to D.C. div. to capital investors, perhaps both entities would benifit.[2c]

I need to do some browsing for more info. on details for elevated train support structures. Since the area available for the "El" conforms to the same diminsions as the trolley, I must figure how to run M.U. over like radii loops. This won't be easy. Okay, Boris, clean whites tomorrow and see if you can do something about those boots before being seen by the clientele. Happy rails.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: Coffee, please, round for the house, and some $ for the jukebox.

Lots of good postings on the board today. My compliments to all.

Here are a couple of books which may be useful to those who have an interest in the Reading and some of the other "anthracite lines."

Donald L. Miller and Richard E. Sharpless. The Kingdom of Coal: Work, Enterprise, and Ethnic Communities in the Mine Fields.
Edgar A. Haine. Anthracite Coal.

I'll post Veterans Day material a little later today

work safe

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Terminal (IT)

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Mileage in 1950: 462

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 14
Diesel: 18
Electric: 38
Battery Diesel-electric: 2
Battery trolley: 1
Diesel trolley 1

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 1,868
Passenger cars: 63

Principal routes in 1950: (Illinois, except as noted)

St. Louis, MO-Peoria
Springfield-Danville
Decatur-Mackinaw Jct. via Bloomington
Alton (Federal)-East St. Louis via Edwardsville
Alton- (Federal)-East St. Louis via Granite City
Venice-Grafton via Mitchell
Troy Jct.-O’Fallon

Passenger trains of note:

Capitol Limited (St. Louis-Peoria)
City of Decatur (St. Louis-Decatur)
Fort Crevecoeur (St. Louis-Peoria)
Illini (St. Louis-Champaign)
Illmo Limited (St. Louis-Peoria
Mound City (St. Louis-Peoria)
Owl (St. Louis-Peoria)
Peoria Flyer (St. Louis-Peoria)
St. Louis Flyer (Peoria-St. Louis)
Sangamon (St. Louis-Peoria

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day! Time for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our <light> breakfasts! Whatillyahave [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(2) Friday is Pizza Nite! along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(3) Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With ample time to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]



INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 00:24:32 (158) Inclusive Post!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 01:15:42 (158) [blue]

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 02:07:39 (158) reply to trolleyboy

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 08:12:48 (158) Inclusive Post!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 09:35:48 (158) Veterans Train

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 11:12:45 (158) Reading RR

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 12:22:28 (158) NOSTALGIA #22 – Ad – SP, City of San Francisco

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 12:59:45 (158) Inclusive Post!

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 13:37:40 (158) NOSTALGIA – PGE RDC speed chart

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 13:57:33 (158) reply to Theodorebear – coalminer3 – trolleyboy, etc.

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 14:09:07 (158) for Tom

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 15:07:31 (158) for Rob

(13) BudKarr BK Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 15:15:49 (158) He’s baaaaaaaack!

(14) BudKarr BK Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 16:00:48 (158)

(15) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 16:35:18 (158) Inclusive Post!

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 17:02:54 (158) MONON

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 18:02:33 (158) Inclusive Post!

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 19:15:58 (158) reply to BudKarr – Theodorebear – passengerfan – pwolfe

(19) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 19:29:28 (158)

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 19:35:51 (159) reply to nickinwestwales

(21) smalling_60626 Allen Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 20:32:13 (159) 1st visit and trip report!

(22)trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 22:50:58 (159) Inclusive Post!

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 23:55:47 (159) Classic CNR Steam #1 – The Hunstville Subdivision

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment![/b]