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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:45 AM
Good Morning all of you A.M. types. Tom, just a Danish and a "unleaded" today, I need to get to the garage a.s.a.p. this day. Hey, the Redirds are lookin' good any where you place them on the Road.[tup] Their stardom will be greatly reduced when the "tubes" become their new home. Still, its a "knock out" punch for adding that extra feature on a already fine layout. BTW, just a casual observation of little importance: are the cars close enough together or should the coupler shanks be shortened a bit? Also, I believe those cars had safety screens located on either side of the car's ends for passengers moving from one car to the next, no? Any how, congratulations on your purchase, they will really add a lot.[^]

Rob, the "Chicago P.C.C.s" I referred to were those that were "chopped" (both ends) and reconfigured for M.U. operations on the older "ELs" (cream and green). That would entail lots of "kit bashing" of the Bowser P.C.C. metal castings and probably more "labo(u)r intensive" than I want to take on just now. Is the Bowser "Liberty Bell" the referb of the "Brill Liner" that ran on the Philadelphia's Red Arrow? Or, is it it the former St. Louis Car & Foundry "Electroliner" used on the North Shore Line and reshoped for the "Red Arrow?" In either case, it has possibilities for elevated operations sure enough.[tup] Hey, nice pix of the Birney, the L & PS #8 and M S & P # 107. The subway URL that trainnut sent along a week or so ago might offer something closer to the "G" cars than the Red Bird? It appears the door arrangement would need to be altered on the Red Birds. X-mas loop? That would be the G gauge "Fence Line R.R." (outside) and only the addition of Santa Clause riding atop the Santa Fe Doodlebug is necessary (lights, etc.) Oh, best to leave the snow where it falls. I left my shovels in Maryland and Oklahoma.[V]

Al, it never fails! The more one knows, the more one knows one doesn't know. You may never complete your first edition at this rate. "Too many irons in the fire?" I also will probably "book" for Toronto very soon, albeit not with Amtrak. I don't have 2 weeks to "tough out" their schedules from Tampa to Toronto.[zzz] CM3, this morning I had to sign in twice to the Forums. Don't know what its about? As the holidays draw near, traffic will surely "pick up." BK, when I sign in, I remove the check from the "remember me" block. It seems to be work for accumulating too many unwanted "cyber stars." Good you could say hello again.

Okay, sorry I haven't anything much on the L.V. Road. Someone will "pick up the slack," I'm sure. Boris, hit that thing...Ding Dong...Okay Rob, who replaced the old # 101 bell with P.C.C. chimes?[:-^] So long for now.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:31 AM
G’day!

Another weekend has passed and here we are at the beginning of a new work week, unless of course you happen to be retired! [swg]

Thanx to barndad Doug ‘n trolleyboy Rob for participating in our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Appreciate the comments on my pix of the subway cars. Glad that pwolfe Pete’s pix got some attention too. [tup]

The offer still stands for anyone who would like to Post pix but, for whatever the reason, cannot. Send those to me by Email and I will create an album for you for Posting on Sunday Photo Posting Day! as was done for Nick – Chris and Pete.

earlydiesels Dan I’m at a loss with reference to whatever situation exists with your inability to sign in and/or access this site. Send me an Email and perhaps I can help you with some of the more familiar remedies.

Doug those Fallen Flags are selected at random from the data base I have put together. I’m glad to know that many of those cars from the IT remain in the world at your museum. [tup] Nice Geep Seven by the way! [tup][tup]

Rob Nice trolley submissions, as well as your narrative. [tup]

BudKarr BK I wouldn’t let those “stars” mean anything more than a numbers count – that’s all they are. You made it 100, not necessarily by design, but simply because you have been participating here and elsewhere. Not bad for a guy who profresses to be a non-hobbyist or a rail fan! [swg]

passengerfan Al Appreciate your Post for “today,” even if a bit early! Understand your situation. Looks like you and I will have our Rendezvous in Toronto reservations “in the bag” this month! Way to go ……. [tup]

Regarding my subway cars and yet to be constructed system, nice to know that the cars somehow blend in with something Canadian. Nevertheless, just the name – “Can-Am City” provides me with the flexibility needed, eh [?] [swg]

Here’s to success with your exam endeavors! [tup][tup]

A special THANX! to those who took the time to acknowledge our 7th Month Anniversary! Shows you are reading the SUMMARIES! [tup][tup][tup]


Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

P.S. A suggestion for all: When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 5:33 AM
Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Lehigh Valley Railroad (LV)

Headquarters: New York

Mileage in 1950: 1,254

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 210

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 10,835
Passenger cars: 0

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City & New York City-Wilkes Barre, PA-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY (PRR tracks between Newark & Penn Station, NY)
Mountain Top-Pittston Jct., PA, via Avoca
Sayre, PA-Fair Haven, NY
Van Etten-Ithaca-Geneva, NY
Geneva-Auburn, NY
Ithaca-Canastota, NY
Rochester-Hemlock, NY
Sayre-Elmira & Horseheads, NY
Penn Haven Jct.-Hazleton-Mt. Carmel, PA
Towanda-Bernice, PA
South Plainfield-Perth Amboy, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Black Diamond (New York City & Philadelphia-Detroit)
Maple Leaf (New York City-Toronto, ON)
The Star (New York City-Buffalo)
Asa Packer (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)
The John Wilkes (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 5:31 AM
MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day All! Yes, it is Monday and the cycle begins again. Why not start your day with us by drawing a cup of freshly brewed coffee, some fresh pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and perhaps order one of our <light> breakfasts [?]

Info for the Day:

Nothing special – “routine” for the week:

Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day.”
Thursday is “Fish ‘n Chips Nite.”
Friday is “Pizza Nite” and “Steak ‘n Fries Nite.”
Saturday is “ENCORE!” day.

INDEX Mondays only!

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP……. 106/150 MoPac . 108/155 WP …… 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………. 112 Heralds …… 114 ACL ………… 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ….. 118 RI .………… 119 D&H ………… 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …. 124 UP.………… 125 AT&SF …….. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP.…. 129 CB&Q ..……. 130 Soo Line ...... 133 C&NW
134 SP&S …….. 136 GN ………… 139 B&M ..……… 140 NYNH&H; NH
141 MEC ……… 142 BAR .………. 145 NP …………. 146 L&N
147 Wabash ….. 148 C&O ………. 148 KCS ……….. 151 N&W
152 Erie ..……… 152 IC ………….. 154 NPR .………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……... 157 RDG ………. 158 MON ………. 159 IT

Passenger Train Nostalgia

110 ……… MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash
148 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad
151 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)
156 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #20 Ad – SP, Golden State (1951)
157 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #21 Ad – SP, Sunset limited (1951
158 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #22 Ad – SP, City of San Francisco (1951)
159 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #23 Ad – AT&SF (1950)
161 ………. Nostalgia - 9 WWII Ads ENCORE! of Veterans/Remembrance Day Commemoration

trolleyboy ROB’s Barn

Classic Juice

116/161 Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 ….. Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134 ….. Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 ….. Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 ….. Classic Juice #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 ….. Classic Juice #7 (The Peter Witt Story)
157 ….. Classic Juice #8 (The PCC)

Classic CNR Steam

159 Classic CNR Steam #1 (The Huntsville Subdivision)

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) wanswheel
Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 01:07:21 (161) 1st Post and Visit

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 07:33:41 (161)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 07:47:09 (161) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 07:48:08 (161) Pix

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 07:57:25 (161) reply to:wanswheel

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 08:55:1 (161) Pete’s Pix

(7) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 13:04:55 (161)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 14:03:22 (161) Subway Pix!

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 17:01:21 (161) Pix, etc.

(10) BudKarr BK Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 18:27:04 (161)

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 19:30:39 (161)

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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:30 PM
Good Evening Tom. Thought I would sneak in early and leave a short post for tomorrow.
Received the second book in the passenger car series from The Southern Pacific Historical and Technical Society this week. And it sure is making it difficult to study for my final exams. This book Vol 2 Southern Pacific Passenger cars Sleepers and Baggage -Dorrms has 588 pages packed with information that a really serious passenger fan of the Southern Pacific should not miss. This isn't a plug for the SPH&TS but they did a fine job on this book just like the first volume on Coaches and Chair cars.
Like the first Volume this volume is a wealth of information and photos.
Apparently there will be three more volumes to complete the series. I only hope I'm around long enough to acquire them. I thought I had a lot of information on SP sleeping cars and coaches but these two volumes show me I really didn't have as much as I thought.
By the way Tom, like Rob I think your new subway cars could pass for the G cars of Toronto. Rode them many time on the Yonge St. Line when I lived their.
Am looking forward to the May rendezvous in Toronto and am making final plans as I write this.Will book with my Travel Agent this week or next.
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Posted by BudKarr on Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:27 PM
Hello Captain Tom,

I was in the neighborhood and thought it would be approrpiate to review the photographs for the day.

Nice subway cars. Also the trolleys from Mr. Trolleyboy show up well too. Mr. Pwolfe, those photographs from Essex turned out well. When the passenger car is enlarged, the details are very vivid, right down to the riveting.

I see that somewhere along the line my name has been associated with two stars. I am not at all certain that this is a good thing, for I never intended to remain as a browser much less contributor to anything involving model or real railroads, but here I am. Really a fascinating discussion group, at your bar.

Must bid adieu for the evening and get ready for another impending trip. Sorry, but nothing connected with railroading, this time or the last.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:01 PM
Good afternoon Tom. I have made it to add a few snaps to this weeks picture parade.

First off thanks doug if nothing else can be said about the Illinois Terminal you certainly can't say that you did nit see the locomotive at the grade crossing.

Tom and Pete wonderfull shots as well, Love tha steam I can almost smell the coal. And BTW Tom I think your comuters will be happy with their new rapid transit system[tup] The all reds do look quite a bit ( superfically as TTC's original red G cars ) That's the set i think I will be tracking down.

I'd love to help you build but this time of year travel is impossible for me. [sigh] We would make quite the club though if we were closer geographically. You and I could supervise Ted LOL [swg]

You will be happy with the interior of #8 it's fancier than it's exterior ! Nice plush red velvet seats in the main passenger compartment,leather in then smoking section and wonderfull stained glass upper window paynes.




I found this photo of Kitchener Waterloo Birney car #62. This goes along with classic juice#6 I beleave. This car is at the main carbarn and is about to leave for rush hour on the Bridgeport line photo date to 1939 prior to the lines closure/ Thanks to my friend richard vincent who shot the picture.



This is a shot of cars L&PS 8 and MS&C 107. You can also see one of the G cars that in this photo had just arrived at the museum.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:03 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some Pix of my newly arrived “Red Bird” subway cars that somehow wound up on the Can-Am Railroad!

What’s this at Union Station?


Looks like subway cars!


They ARE subway cars!


Why are subway cars here?


Subway cars at “Our” Place?


Subway cars ARE at “Our” Place!


Subway cars at Can-Am Gorge!


Subway cars at Land-Between-the-Lakes!


Subway cars in the mountains!



That’s it – Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:04 PM
Hello everyone. I realize OUR PLACE is closed but it seems that today is about the only time lately that I've been able to check in. For some reason, my access to this site has been blocked and was just so as I was typing. I will try again but it's aggravating to spend 30 minutes just to attempt to open.
As usual, there are several fine posts and even some new faces around the bar. Welcome. I believe you'll find Tom runs the best establishment this side of cyberspace!
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:55 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some Pix from an album I created for Pete, They were taken at the Essex Valley RR, Essex, CT on October 20th, 2005 by Pete while on vacation:









Enjoy!

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:57 AM
Yes, we ARE CLOSED today, but I see a bit of a response is in order regarding a new visitor, wanswheel:

The first thing we do (or should do) is check the Profile of a new visitor to "Our" Place just to "get to know" one another a bit. I see there isn't any elaboration in yours. Well, we respect your decision - however, feel free to check ours out by "clicking" on our cyber names ....

I see you are new to the Forums and that means there is a lot to learn. Let me just offer this - regardless of what Forum and Thread you visit, be sure to read the FIRST POST (submission) - it will give you an idea of what that particular discussion is all about. The subject line is nothing more than the "hook" to get you inside.

We appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and while it may be true that we have lots of structure 'round here - it is done simply to ensure that we do NOT deteriorate to the level of other Threads. We acknowledge one another - we greet the barkeep and order a drink upon "entering" and we read up on what we've missed between visits.
That's pretty much the gist of it .....

Hope you enjoy checking us out - read page 1; then go back about 5 or 6 pages and take a look at the way things are done 'round here!

Hope to see you again, and should you return, you'll receive your "official greeting" and free drink! [tup]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:48 AM
Good morning all. Sometimes I think Tom looks over the equipment roster at the IRM to choose his fallen flags! I was amazed to learn that as few cars that the Illinois Terminal Railway had, that we have 12 on the property!Here's a quick pic for the mailslot!

Builder: Electro Motive Division GM . Year Built: 1953 . Model: GP-7
Horsepower: 1500 . Length: 55ft 9in . Width: 10ft 3in . Height: 14ft 6in
Weight: 240000 lbs . Brakes: 6BL .Engine: 16-567BC . Motors: 4 EMD D37B
Trucks: Blomberg . Description: Diesel-Electric (Later No. 1505)
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:47 AM
SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and we are CLOSED until 6 AM, Monday.

Info for the Day:

As always, you may slip your messages through the mail slots on either set of front doors and they will surely get Posted!

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 00:04:42 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day, etc.

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 06:28:44 (161) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 06:38:17 (161)

(4)siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 08:58:54 (161) reply to BudKarr – passengerfan – Trolleyboy – Theodorebear, etc.

(5) pwolfe Pete Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 11:15:27 (161)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 14:01:48 (161) ENCORE! All 9 WWII Ads

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 17:44:30 (161) reply to pwolfe

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 18:25:38 (161) Inclusive Post!

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 18:38:37 (161) ENCORE! Classic Juice #1

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 18:53:48 (161) reply to trolleyboy

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:33 AM
Yes, yes yes, "Our" Place is closed on Sunday (probably the only day that the average working Bloke has time to "sit down and sit a spell...)" but I couldn't let wanswheel's post go by without a mention. Welcome to "Our" Place Sir; I think I speak for all of our members in saying your quote of Lilliard's ode is timely and appreciated. You may find that this "Thread" has more rules and by-laws than the Detroit Chapter of the American Auto Makers Union but if you have the patients and stamina to "stick with it," the "benifits" are unsurpassed. Once again, thanks for dropping by. Happy rails to you.
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Posted by wanswheel on Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:07 AM
Hi, I found this fine site today. I remember my first train trip in 1950. From Davenport, Iowa to Palmer, Massachusetts, on the Rock Island and the New York Central. I was 3 years old.

I know there were troop trains as recently as 1966. I was on one overnight from New York to Fort Jackson, SC., right after being drafted into the Army.

To "In Flanders Fields" was "America's Answer" by R. W. Lilliard:

Rest ye in peace, ye Flanders dead.
The fight that ye so bravely led
We've taken up. And we will keep
True faith with you who lie asleep
With each a cross to mark his bed,
In Flanders fields

Fear not that ye have died for naught.
The torch ye threw to us we caught.
Ten million hands will hold it high,
And Freedom's light shall never die!
We've learned the lesson that ye taught
In Flanders fields

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:53 PM
Evenin' Guys!

A reply to trolleyboy Rob

Mea culpa! Oooooooops, in other words - sorry, yet in some others! [swg]

I'm looking forward to checkin' out that L&PS car during our Rendezvous in Toronto. Quite a nice looking car indeed. Thanx for the elaboration! [tup]

Appreciate the Email and a response has been sent!

Thought today would be the appropriate time for the ENCORE! for the WWII ads. Got some "mileage" out of 'em on this and my "other" thread ...... [swg]

Hope you have some pix for tomorrow - I haven't even begun to think about what, if anything, I'll put together. Time for some of the other guys to step up to the plate, wouldn't you agree [?] Oh, yes - I DO have some Pix from Pete to Post - glad I reminded MYSELF! [swg] Happens, especially when one is OLDER than Ted! [wow]

Nice rerun of your Classic Juice #1 [tup] Just wish we had someone - anyone - reading the Posts today!

Glad you have the confidence in my model railroading abiiities insofar as the subway construction goes. Will be pickin' up the 4x8 ft sheet of 2 inch foam insulation board on Tuesday, some brackets and "strapping" to make up the suspension system that the foam board will rest on. I'm looking at two ovals, one inside the other, beneath Can-Am City - probably encompassing about a 3.5 x 8 ft area. C'mon down and lend a hand! [tup] I'll provide the food, beer and place to stay! Now, how can you beat that [?]

Finally, THANX for the round! [tup]

Enjoy whatever time you and Heather have for one another this weekend!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:38 PM
ENCORE or Classic Juice # 1

QUOTE: Thot #3 My first attempt at a new segmant. classic Juice. First up The London and Port Stanley Railway or L&PS The L&PS was originally chartered by the Great Western Railway in 1853. It's purpose to run freight ie coal to the cities of London, St Thomas, Elgin & Middlesex ( all in southwestern ontario )Originally built to the great western's 51/2 foot guage. Fears of the Great Westerns practice of monopoply pricing the cities purchased the road and leased it back to the Great western to operate for 20 years thus limiting price increases.


In 1872 this steam road's lease was up and also the great western as well ( swallowed by the greed of it's owners ) A second 20 year lease was granted to theLake Erie and Detroit river Line( this became the Pere marquette) They ran as a mostly coal hauling road with summer passenger trains to the beaches. As the second Lease was comming to an end the Ontario government was activly pursueing a Scheme to build a province wide electric interurban net work under the ospices of one Sir Adam Beck ( London on MPP and father of the hydro electric commission.Indeed the hydro plants in Niagara falls are still Adam Beck 1 and 2 )


In 1913 when the second lease was up the L&PS was electrified new 80lbs rail and a 1500vDC system and catenery was strung. Five steel motor cars with monitor roof were ordered from Jewett in Ohio. 59 feet long 92,900 lbs cars with 4 125hp GE traction motors. cars 2,4,6,8 &10.Three wooden trailers non powered but with mu controls for train operation were ordered from Preston car and coach in Preston on. cars # 1,3,5. The L&PS interchanged with CN and CP in London and with the Michigan central in St Thomas.


Later in 1915 three electric boxcabs electrified the frieght operations these were built by Preston and numbered L1,2 and L3. Each was capable of moveing 50 loaded coal cars or other general merchandice ferried from conneat ohio. in 1917 two more steel motors were purchased 72 feet long #12 and 14. For forty years the L&PS ran electric service only loosing money twice. Once in 1933 the next time in 1953. Hourly service was run on the 40 mile round trip road with three to 6 car passenger trains common. All cars were geared and capable of 70 miles an hour and mostly ran at those speeds as the L&PS was 90% private ROW with a few under/overpasses for hwy 3 etc.


In 1956 Ontario Hydro was begining to change the power system in the area from25 to 60 cyclesand the city of London which still owned the ROW couldn't afford the rectifier upgrades as passenger numbers were decreasing. As a result in Feb 1957passenger service north and south of St Thomas was ended.frieght operations were dieselized in 1960 although up till 1963 electric service still ran on in the express service London to St Thomas.


In 65 the city discontinued ownership and all power was shut off. Todays port stanley terminal operates whats left of this line in their excursion service. Several cars are still with us. Our Museum has #8 and trailer # 3. We also have locomotive L 2. The Delson Museum in Quebec has # 10 & # 12. And the Elgin county museum in St Thomas has # 14 and freight engine L 1. Photo's of these can be found in our Museums website my rail images account and in several hard bound books. Hope everyone enjoyed. Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:25 PM
Evening Tom, figured that I would sneak in before I head into work ( sat & sun night shift again [sigh] )

If you re-read my post that I made before the Flander's fields poem, I did in fact pick up on your IT fallen flag. I would never not comment on your talking about classic juice after all [swg]

Glad that you liked the L&PS car. #12 is a sister of our museums #8. They were all built by Jewett in 1915-1919, and served the L&PS till the end of passenger operations in the late 50's. The main difference that #'s 12 and 14 had is that they were a bit longer and all passenger. #'s 2-8 had a small express bagage area in them.

Glad your first redbirds arrived safe and sound. If i know you you will have the "tube" running in a few months,engineering problems not withstanding.I'm sure that you will keep us posted with the photographic evidence.

I'm glad you reran the bulk of your, yesterdays efferts.All were well done and definatly on topic and appropriate. I am glad that so many of us did participate,makes what we do here come into sharp focus i think

let me by a round in toast to our first 7 months od classic train chat & fun. I'm looking forward to the next seven. [tup][:D]

Pete Thanks again for the url it really is something to behold. I'm looking forward to the holiday shots. I hope they do publi***hose pictures thay should be wonderfull.

Ted I'm happy to see that you are still helpimng out your friends even at what Tom would say your advanced years [tup] I'll duck now before I recieve a canning of my life. [swg] I'm glad alos that you are not gloating about having no festive white stuff to deal with. I could send some your way if you wish however, I wouldn't want you to feel left out. [swg] I'm wondering though, did you pick up one of Bach,man G's open troley's for your xmas loop? I suppose that you could run the Bowser liberty bell units on your el as well. Though the PCC's woukld not be a bad choice either,just a couple of random thoughts.


Everyone have a good evening.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:44 PM
Evenin'!

Just a quick word to pwofle Pete - THANX! [tup]

Very, very sloooooooooow 'round here today - but that's okay - Saturday should be for things other than "keyboarding." [swg]

Actually had more activity over on my "other" thread than here. Now THAT is very unusual!

Catch y'all later or for sure on Monday mornin'

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:01 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Number 1 of 9:

. . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . .

All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota.

The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits.

From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills.

When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production.

With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943.

The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY
ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC

IN THE ZONE Of Plenty

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Number 2 of 9

”OVER HILL, OVER DALE, WE WILL RIDE THE IRON RAIL . . .

AS THE PULLMAN’S GO ROLLING ALONG”


Growing and GOING
that’s the story of our armed forces.

Growing every day and going every night, for long distance troop movements are usually under the cover of darkness, in Pullman sleeping cars.

It’s a big job for the railroads to haul so many cars. And a big job for Pullman to provide them. But it’s a welcome job for both of us, one we’re proud and happy we were prepared to handle.

Prepared? Oh, yes. The way Pullman and the railroads worked together in peacetime – through the Pullman “pool” of sleeping cars – fitted right into the wartime picture.

Here’s how that “pool” works:

> Railroad passenger traffic in different parts of the country fluctuates with the season. Travel south, for instance, is heaviest in winter. And travel north increases in the summer.

> If each railroad owned and operated enough sleeping cars to handle its own peak loads, many of those cars would be idle most of the year.

> With the Pullman “pool,” however, over one hundred different railroads share in the ability of a sleeping car fleet big enough to handle their combined requirements at any one time. As the travel loads shifts north, south, east or west, these cars shift with it. They are seldom idle for when fewer cars are needed on one railroad, more are needed on another.

Now that war has come this “pool”operation of sleeping cars enables troop trains to be made up on short notice – at widely scattered points – and routed over any combination of railroads.

That’s what we meant when we said that Pullman and the railroads were prepared to handle the tremendous mass movement of troops that goes on constantly.

It takes a lot of sleeping cars to do it. Almost drains the Pullman “pool” at times. As a result, civilian travelers are sometimes inconvenienced.

But the war comes first with the railroads and first with Pullman – just as it comes first with you!

AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 25,000 TROOPS A NIGHT NOW

GO PULLMAN
Buy War Bonds and Stamps Regularly!


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Number 3 of 9

One passenger – or one million

Those carefree days when a man could almost as easily as he’d are out for the duration.

Folks have to share the railroads with the Army and Navy, just as they’re sharing everything else these days.

We wish we could still offer you an unlimited choice of departure times and accommodations, but more than a million and half troops per month must be cared for first.

That takes a lot of cars and a lot of locomotives.

It takes the time of a lot of railroad men, for these movements must be handled swiftly and secretly.

After meeting all the vast demands of a nation at war, we are not always able to serve the public as well as we’d like to – but nevertheless with a little cooperation, we’ll get you where you have to go.

Transportation is our business as well as our duty - and we want you to know that every railroad man worthy of the name has his heart in the job.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Association of . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . American Railroads . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Washington, D.C. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . United for Victory
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 4 of 9

. . . . .”Keep “Em Rollin’ . . or Else!”. . . . .
says grandpappy engine 2414 to a 1942 Santa Fe Freight Diesel


“Back in ’98, in the Spanish-American War,” reminisces little Old-Timer 2414, “20 cars was an average-length freight train. By World War I, we’d upped our Santa Fe freights to an average 35.9 cars. Not bad railroadin’, that.”

“Not bad is right,” answers the big new freight Diesel, “but not good enough for World War II. Now we’ve stretched ‘em out another 41% to 50.9 cars, and those cars are bigger, loaded heavier, and rolling farther and faster.”

“Good work, son,” says Old-Timer. “Yours is the BIG war job. Keep ‘em rollin’ – or else!”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP ‘EM ROLLIN’ – OR ELSE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* No nation that does not possess efficient mass transportation can hope to win a modern war. In America that mass transportation job is squarely up to her railroads. If they fail, we lose.

Neither battle gallantry nor industrial wizardry alone will turn the tide. To meet this tremendous responsibility, we ask for every possible consideration in the allocation of materials for vitally essential repairs, maintenance and new equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DAILY THE LOAD INCREASES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To date, the railroads haves met 100% the staggering demands born of this global war. Many have helped make that record possible – the War Department, the Office of Defense Transportation, civilian shippers and travelers everywhere.

In the first six month of 1942 with 25% fewer locomotives, the Santa Fe moved 94% more freight ton-miles and 27% more military and civilian passenger miles than in the first six months of 1918 in World War I.

Daily the load increases. No man knows what the peak will be. We do know there is a limit to the performance that can be squeezed out of existing equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SANTA FE SYSTEM LINES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . SERVING THE SOUTHWEST FOR 70 YEARS . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 5 of 9

Like Father in 1917 ~ Like Son, in 1942 ~

. . . . . Americans feel at home in Britain. . . . .

Americans have always felt at home in Britain . . . in peace time . . . or in war.

Whether they have come over, equipped with guide books, golf clubs and cameras for a quiet sojourn among Britain’s peaceful hedgerows, historic landmarks, and the ancestral beginnings of American ideals, laws and traditions or whether they have come, as in 1942 with steel helmets, bayonets, tanks and bombers in defenses of these very ideals, by which both nations are so closely bound together in common heritage, Americans feel that they are truly among friends – in Britain.

Year after year, in happier times, British Railways have brought American travelers along the magic trail that leads into the heart of Britain – the glorious, colourful panorama of History, Literature, Tradition and Ideals.

Until Victory comes, as it must and will, British Railways continue to maintain their contact with their American Friends, through their General Traffic Manager, C. M. Turner, 9 Rockerfeller Plaza, New York, N. Y.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BRITISH RAILWAYS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 6 of 9

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A BOY ON A HILL-TOP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

He used to wave at me from that hill . . . we lived just beyond it. He knew the exact time I’d be by . . . and I’d wave to him from the cab.

And on my time off, I’d go to the hill with him, and we’d sit together, my son and I, and wait for the trains to come along. We’d hear their whistle calling across the distance . . . then see the long plume of smoke come into view, racing like the wind . . . and as they thundered by, we’d both wave to the engineer.

Maybe there’s something in heredity – he seemed to have the railroad in his blood. When he finished school . . . well I rolled into the yards one day, and there he was – long longer my little boy, but a man. A railroad man!

He might someday have taken over my run. But, last December 7th, he was twenty-one . . .

I don’t know where he is now. He got is two weeks leave before he left. But whenever I pass that hill, I seem to see him, as he used to be, before he became a man and had to shoulder the responsibility of being a man.

I know he wants to come back to the railroad . . . and I’m going to see that he does come back! These Japs and *** who started all this – when they creep up on him and all his fellows in arms – even if they come with a thousand tanks and mobile guns and all the dive-bombers they can find in hell – he and his buddies will meet them with fifty thousand tanks and a hundred thousand planes and two hundred thousand guns. My job, now, is to get that equipment to the ships that’ll take it to him and to all the other American boys like him, no matter where they are.

And it can rain and snow and sleet and it can blow, and nothing will stop me. I’ll get the stuff through to him. I am getting it through to him. You only have to lie still in the night and listen to the rumble of the trains – the trains everywhere – to know that I’m speaking the truth. It’s my son, and it’s my country, whose lives are at stake, and I can’t fail and I won’t.

. . . . . . . . . . Published as a tribute to the railroad workers of America . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Invest in Victory . . . . . Buy United States War Bonds and Stamps . . . . .

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Number 7 of 9

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . HE WHO ”steps up” ALSO SERVES . . . . . . . . . .

UNION PACIFIC is doing its share to meet the nation’s vital need for dependable transportation. It’s a job we’re proud to do. Over the “the strategic middle route” connecting East with West, our gigantic locomotives are hauling not only war materials but also thousands of Uncle Sam’s men in uniform.

Thus, it is apparent that travelers may not always find it possible to obtain their preferred accommodations. Perhaps only coach seats or upper berths will be available. To Union Pacific patrons, who we have had the pleasure of serving and will continue to serve to the best of our ability, we would like to say, “he who steps up also serves” and express our thanks for your cooperation.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Progresssive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Strategic Middle Route . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . “Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 8 of 9

ON THEIR WAY

Shades are drawn down. Lights dim low. The landscape is blotted out . . . there’s just the hum of the speeding train.

These boys know what it means – the troop train is approaching the troop ships.

Some draw a deep breath. A soldier fumbles for a letter. Another wonders if he can make a last telephone call. Another draws out a crumpled photograph.

No, travelers don’t see this – but the trainmen of the Pennsylvania Railroad do, daily. And more so than ever now. As the swelling tide of American youth – fine and fit streams overseas . . .

Of course, it takes a lot of equipment for these troop movements – but with what remains we are doing our best to serve all essential travelers . . . efficiently, courteously.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BUY UNITED STATES WAR BONDS AND STAMPS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Pennsylvania Railroad


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Number 9 of 9

A NEW DAY DAWNS IN RAILROADING

War traffic has more than doubled the volume of freight hauled by the Western Pacific Railroad from Salt Lake City to San Francisco. Wherever the going it toughest n this rugged route, General Motors Diesel freight locomotives have kept this vast stream of vital munitions moving steadily.

War building is being rushed ahead with reliable General Motors Diesel power. In the days to come this dependable, economical power will be ready to do the hard jobs of peace.


Throughout history, wars have set up new milestones of transportation progress. And with this war, it is the General Motors Diesel Locomotive that is ushering in the new era. What advances the future will bring are already apparent in the present performance of these locomotives and the way they are helping to meet the abnormal demands upon the railroads today.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP AMERICA STRONG * BUY MORE BONDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

LOCOMOTIVES . . ……………………ELECTRO-MOTIVE DIVISION, La Grange, Ill.

ENGINES . . 150 to 2000 H.P. …….. CLEVELAND DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Cleveland, Ohio

ENGINES . . . 15 to 250 H.P. ……… DETROIT DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Detroit, Mich.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GENERAL MOTORS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DIESEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . POWER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

That’s it!

It has been my pleasure to provide these 9 WWII Posts to all of you. [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:15 AM
Hi Tom and all.

A cup of coffee and a bacon sandwich this morning please.

May I add to ROB and TED and thank you Tom for the hard work you did with the Excellent ads of yesterday. Also thanks TO AL BK CM3 ROB and TED for their posts which made yesterday a very special day at the bar [bow][yeah][tup].It helped as I shall not be able to see the Veterans back home as they go through the village on their way to the Rememberance Sunday Service.

I'm glad ROB and TED enjoyed the link to the Blackpool trams. In late September to October they have the Blackpool Iluminations when many of the trams are lit , I cannot recall how many light bulbs are used but the number is incredible. One was of a old Western loco where the bulbs were arranged so the connecting rods appeared to move. A marvellous sight.[^][wow]

[bday] 7th anniversary TOM and thanks for the Hoosier link [tup]. I dont think they will ever decide on one meaning[:-,] PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:58 AM
Good Mornin’,

Today is the 7th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! [yeah][wow]

Yesterday was indeed a success here at ”Our” Place and also on my “other” thread for Classic PASSENGER Trains. The latter was lighter, but some interest was attracted. I’m not certain with regard to how much longer I’ll keep that goin’ …….

Many thanx to those who took the time to Post here, and especially to those who stayed “with it” for repetitive visits throughout the day ‘n evenin’! [tup][tup][tup]

This event was “advertised” for well over a week, so those who missed it, missed out. Of course, here in cyber space, with seemingly endless storage in the Ether, one can take the time to review – that is if one is so inclined. I happen to believe that those who cared, were here. A salute to y’all from the Proprietor! [swg]

Some acknowledgments before getting into the chores of this mornin’ – pickin’ up leaves, what else [?] [tdn] <frown>

BudKarr BK for all of your Posts yesterday and contribution: Well done!
[tup][tup]

passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 21:58:39

Above 'n beyond the call for your efforts yesterday! [tup][tup][tup]

Thanx for pickin’ up on those WWII ads, especially for the AT&SF ‘n UP covered in your Post. [tup] You really stuck with me yesterday, Al and I am very appreciative of and for your efforts! [tup] Figures, though – we sailors tend to stick together! [swg]

Your elaboration on the loco’s and types of sleepers used on the troop trains was enlightening for sure. Can surely understand why the troops preferred the more “traditional” cars over the specifically designed “troop” cars and kitchens to follow. Austere, comes to mind!

Lookin’ forward to meeting you when we get together for our Rendezvous in Toronto this May. [yeah]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 00:04:42

I say this in all humility, how I wi***hat I could have been in Ottawa yesterday at the 11th hour of the 11th day in the 11th month. Canada still does “it” right and I simply get overwhelmed a bit each ‘n every time I’m associated with an affair where “tradition” still holds. Wonderful and proud, for sure.

Now, having said that – it IS indeed a changing world and the more society gets away from the things that made it the way it is, the less ‘n less one will experience those celebrations that we have come to accept as a “given.”

I cannot speak for the entire country, but here in the St. Louis area we still hold true to honoring our servicemen and women. Boy Scouts still put flags at the gravesites in our national cemetery on Memorial Day. The American Legion and other veteran’s groups are still “big” and functioning, as they were yesterday. But you know what [?] these guys are pretty much “up there,” even older than Ted (if you can believe that!!) [swg] So, as the numbers dwindle, one can only hope that there will be others to take up the slack.

Appreciate the info on Ottawa and your participation here too. [tup]

Love that pix of the electrified unit; poignant comes to mind. Tell us more about the cars![yeah]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 06:38:17

Appreciate the kind words …… and of course your participation yesterday! [tup][tup]

My subway cars arrived yesterday! At least the 2nd order of them did; still awaiting #1. Anyway, the “Red Birds” came (LifeLike #30300) and they are really something to see. The set has one powered car and three unpowered. All are numbered differently, illuminated, reversing direction lights, magnetic couplers, authentic markings on each car, and they run very well.

Check out http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-30300 to view the set.

My “other” set is at http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-30166 (silver roofs) and is expected any day.

These cars WILL negotiate shorter radius track, no sweat about that. I’d say they would look quite well on an elevated system. I purchased set #2 from TrainWorld and I know they have more in stock. The price is about the best around, having checked dozens of ‘em out.

Got a bit of landscaping finished for the S Capades and ran those beautiful trains for about 15 minutes. Just love that Illinois Central passenger consist with the EMD E8A - ummmmmmm um! [swg]

Catch y’all later! – probably MUCH later ………

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

P.S. A suggestion for all: When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:38 AM
Good Morning all, Tom I'll just hook a plain cake donut and a cuppa Joe this morning. Yesterday was a meaningful journey through the trials and tribulations thrust upon our respective country's troops and citizens. These reflective moments were made all the more graphic and personal by the contributions and extra efforts of Tom's dilligence and dedication to "Our" Place members. I know I speak for all of us when I say: thank you Tom for bringing us so much closer to the core values and the reasons such sacrifces were made.[tup][tup][tup] CM3, Al, Rob, Pete and BK added yet another dimension to the day and its signifigance, thanks again to all of you.

Today I will be clearing, surveying and reviewing "ways and means" for the proposed "El" addition to the downtown area. Like Rob and Tom with their subways, there is "more to it than meets the eye."[:O] I'm not sure what type cars (MU) to go with just yet. KCity had no El per say. The Chicago reshopped P.C.C.s probably are not an option. I may go with the N.Y. City type cars if they will nogtiate the tight loops. We'll see.

As the holiday season approaches, our thoughts will probably turn to the proverbial Santa Claus express for the "kids of all ages." I will get the G gauge operating with the customary added figures, lights, etc. that apply. I stay with the "K.I.S.S." (keep it simple stupid) principal for temporary scenes. There are no neighborhood kids at that "Santa age," so there is no need for anything elaborate, phew.[swg] Living in FL., with no snow or blustery weather, rather takes the "spirit" out of the season. Still, tradition cannot be ignored.[:D]

It is daylight here and I had best, at least, get the "ball rolling." Yesterday, my time was taken up with helping replace an old friend's car hood with a new one. I'm glad to "pitch in" but some scraped knuckles and minor cuts remind me that I'm "no spring chicken." Say, does anyone besides me subscribe to the Model R.R. News? If so, what do you think of U.S.A. Trains new Pensy G.G.-1? It looks very good and the review is favorable. At $1700., I guess it should be![xx(] Okay Boris, it's that time again. NO, NO, put the boot polish away.[alien] That was supposed to be for yesterday![banghead]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:28 AM
SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Happy Weekend to all!

Many thanx to all who actively participated in our first Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day at ”Our” Place. [tup][tup][tup]

If you missed the opportunity, why not check out the Posts today [?]

What’s today [?] The 7th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Info for the Day:

(1) Saturday is normally a day when things are rather slow, so we use it to repeat some Posts of interest. We call it, ENCORE! Day. We are open all day, but the responses may be a bit longer in coming that usual. [swg]

(2) Sunday is Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED until 6 AM Monday

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 00:12:56 (159) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 05:25:17 (159) Friday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 05:28:32 (159) Vets/Remembrance Day #1

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:00:45 (159) Vets/Remembrance Day #2

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:38:17 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:57:30 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 08:32:59 (160) reply to trolleyboy – passengerfan – BudKarr, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 09:57:40 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day #3

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 10:33:14 (160 Vets/Remembrance Day!

(10) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 10:36:36 (160 Vets/Remembrance Day!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 12:26:12 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day #4

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 12:40:57 (160 Vets/Remembrance Day #5

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 13:38:05 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(14) BudKarr BK Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 14:09:40 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 14:23:20 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day #6

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 15:02:35 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day #7

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 16:02:09 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day #8

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 16:47:51(160) Vets/Remembrance Day #9

(19) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 17:08:31 (160 A toast!

(20) BudKarr BK Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 19:23:15 (160) A toast!

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 21:39:47 (160) Cake!

(22) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 21:58:39 (160 Vets/Remembrance Day!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:04 AM
Good evening gentlemen,let me first thank each of you for your efforts on this day.

Tom Truly a class act today I think that you have done yourself proud with all that you posted today. BK , Ted , Al, Pete and Cm3 Again all truly moving and suitable post today.

I had a couple good chats with some of our local vetrans after this mornings sentiments. They each noted to me as to how the numbers of the general public have increased each of the last 5 years at the National services in Ottawa and in the rest of the cities. One navy vet mentioned to me how he now felt that the meaning of the day has not be lost on the younger generations and as he said he's happy to take his final role call secure in the knowledge that rememberance will continue

Before I went to work today I caught the reroll of the national services at Confederation Square in Ottawa. Originally they estimated that the crwd would be a bout 15,000 people the same as last year. It infact was in excess of 25,000. One thing that struck me is that just before 11 o'clock the CBC cameras panned the new war museum. They have a large window facing the cenotaph through which you can see the original tombstone of our unknown soldier which was brought back to Canada when this WW1 soldiers body was reintured in Confederation square. Just before 11 the sun shone through the window highlighting that small white minument still showing the dirt line from all it's years in France. Weather that was a one time pheneomina or always happens in the morning I can't be sure but what a fitting occurance. I have to say that I still have a lump in my throat from that one.

The anouncers did say that we still have 5 WW1 vets with us in Canada all 105 plus. This however was the first year that none of them were able to make it to Ottawa. there still are slighty over 250,000 WW2 vets alive all averaging 82 years of age even the Korean war vets ave age is 72 now. So now more than ever the young must take up the cause and keep the failth with the vets and what they fought for. Let me csay thank-you to all of you again for a day well done.

Though not nessessarily our norm I must leave everyone with the following.


L&PS Loading a troop train of soldiers bound for Vancouver, to start builing up for tigerforce which would have been the Canadain contingent for the Invasion of Japan. Summer of 1945

Rob

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, November 11, 2005 9:58 PM
Good evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Just time for a CR and a round for the house.
Thought I would mention that every railroad put forth 110% effort for the war effort in WW II. But one railreoad particularly stands out and that railroad was the Santa Fe. This railroad had being testing the products of EMC and later EMD since 1936 and even Alco made an appearance before WW II in passenger service. The Santa Fe had several bad water districts particularly across New Mexico, Arizona and even even parts of California. It was for this reason they turned to the EMD FT diesels in ABBA sets early in the war and never looked back. They were the largest purchaser of the FT from EMD and they became the workhors of the railroad with their 5400 hp and the government routed much in the way of war material to and from California via the Santa Fe. Even so the Santa fe was still purchasing steam throughout the war such as the big Norhern that is being restored as we write in New Mexico. I am looking forward to Gunns and the others finishing this project so I can see it once again under steam the way god intended.
The UP stayed with staem for the most part during the war with Big Boys and Challengers.
The GN was another road that looked at the EMD FT and purchased large numbers to keep the war effort on track .
I think if one railroad diesel can be associated with WW II it would have to be the EMD FT and what it represented in the war effort.
If a single passenger car can be associated with WW II who would have to be the Pullman Heavyweight 12-1 Sleeper. Probably more Military personel traveled in this car type than any other. Most early WW II troop trains were comprised of 12-1 , 14 Section and Sixteen section sleepers with dining cars or in some cases baggage car quickly converted to dining cars for these trains. Later in the war the troop kitchens and troop sleepers would take their place in the troop trains but the 12-1 was probably the most popular of all throughout the war and after. I was looking through my book collection this afternoon and the troop trains I saw from WW II all had 12-1's in there consists. Even the streamliners operating in WW II carried military personel and civilians with high priority only.
Enough of my rambling for one day Goodnight all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 11, 2005 9:39 PM
Good Evenin' Gents!

Just a couple of thoughts before checkin' out for the night ......

It's been a grand time, hasn't it [?] "We done good," today and you've all been very supportive of what the intent of this was to be. Thanx! [tup][tup][tup]

Now, it's time for those cakes that Manager Ted arranged for us from The Mentor Village Bakery - a cake for each proud nation: Canada the U.S.A. Great Britain

Dig in and the drinks are on the house! Boris ring the bell! [swg]

G'nite all! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, November 11, 2005 7:23 PM
Good Evening Captain Tom and Crew,

Just time for a night cap for me. I will stay with VO on the rocks please. Well, perhaps one of those great looking sirloin steaks too. Thank you.

It has been a rather long day for me and I know for you Captain Tom. Very well done on your part and all who took the time to participate in this event.

I hope you do not take issue with my eforts over on another forum, but I have mentioned this bar on more than one occasion and hope some have visited. The Coffee Shop seems to be rather entrenched though and I do not have a feel for whether they are interested in visiting other sites. Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say.

I raise my glass in honor of all who have served and especially those who never returned.

Thank you all and enjoy your weekend.

BK
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, November 11, 2005 5:08 PM
Thanks Tom enjoyed all of the WW II posts today. Now it is time to pour a round and salute all of the heroes from the past and present who gave their all for this great country and are continuing to give their all as we write.
I know I left a lot of friends behind as did others . My younger brothers high school class lost eleven.
Pour another round Tom ans lets all raise another toast in their honor.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 11, 2005 4:47 PM
”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 9 of 9

A NEW DAY DAWNS IN RAILROADING

War traffic has more than doubled the volume of freight hauled by the Western Pacific Railroad from Salt Lake City to San Francisco. Wherever the going it toughest n this rugged route, General Motors Diesel freight locomotives have kept this vast stream of vital munitions moving steadily.

War building is being rushed ahead with reliable General Motors Diesel power. In the days to come this dependable, economical power will be ready to do the hard jobs of peace.


Throughout history, wars have set up new milestones of transportation progress. And with this war, it is the General Motors Diesel Locomotive that is ushering in the new era. What advances the future will bring are already apparent in the present performance of these locomotives and the way they are helping to meet the abnormal demands upon the railroads today.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP AMERICA STRONG * BUY MORE BONDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

LOCOMOTIVES . . ……………………ELECTRO-MOTIVE DIVISION, La Grange, Ill.

ENGINES . . 150 to 2000 H.P. …….. CLEVELAND DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Cleveland, Ohio

ENGINES . . . 15 to 250 H.P. ……… DETROIT DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Detroit, Mich.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GENERAL MOTORS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DIESEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . POWER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

That’s it!

It has been my pleasure to provide these 9 WWII Posts to all of you. [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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