One of the specialty cars built for the never-operated Chessie streamliner had a feature not tried before on a train. The failure of this feature during trial runs foretold the demise of the planned "Chessie".
Two functions at the C&O station, splitting and combining Washington and Newport News sections AND engine change. West of Charlottesville, generally 4-8-4 Greenbriars, east Pacifics or Hudsons.
Southern (sleepers):
Jacksonvile, Fla
Raleigh, NC
C&O (sleepers)
Toledo
New York City
Louisville, KY
The Charlottesville and Albamarle Traction Co. had a single track line with passing sidings from the C&O station past Union Station and the U. of Va. campus to Fry Springs. Ran single-truck cars like Birney's but not safety cars. Don't know if they were one-man or two-man operated.
Next question is your RC
Found a couple more...
C&O
Detroit
Southern
Shreveport LA (via Chattanooga - sleeper only)
The two stations in Charlottesville were Main St (C&O) and Union (former Southern/C&O joint, now Amtrak). Main St was where the C&O split trains from the West for Washington and Richmond/Newport News. C&O trains stopped at both stations. I came up with a few more than 15.
On Southern
Washington DC
Sometimes Boston (Amtrak 1972-1974)
Atlanta
Birmingham
Montgomery
Mobile
New Orleans
Los Angeles (sleeper only)
Chatanooga
Nashville
Memphis
Asheville
Augusta
On Cheapeake and Ohio and connections
Newport News
Cincinnati
Chicago (NYC)
St Louis (with B&O, late 1960s to 1971)
Hot Springs
Charlottesville, VA, had two railroad stations during the classic era, through WWII and until real deterioration of passenger service began. What were these stations named, and what railroads had trains stopping at each station, and what functions (two) did one of these stations perform other than loading passengers and head-end matters, and what end-points could be reached from these stations without changing (1) coaches, and (2) Pullman sleepers. (You must give at least 15 of the latter!)
Bonus: Charlottesville once had a streetcar line. What was the name of the company and what were the route and end-points? Can you describe the cars?
Malone is the last junction. Who or what rode the trains in either direction out of Malone in 1957(besides the crews) is a bit of a mystery to me. The Rutland had given up carrying passengers on the Milk Train in 1953. By 1957 the NYC trains would most likely have had a boiler GP7 or RS3, a baggage/express car and a single rider coach. Maybe a 15 ft RPO on the train south of Malone.
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Actually, Clear Lake Junction was the junction for both Saranac Lake and Lake Placid, and I believe the station you are asking for is Malone. Clear Lake Jc. was close to Saranac Lake.
Sranac was the junction for Lake Placid (actually reached on D&H trackage rights). You are on the right line, you just got off a little early.
Saranac Lake or the junction for Saranac Lake
New York Central is right. Utica is the first change place but MAssena is not the second, since NYC service via Massena was gone by 1957, and in any case was a CN connection. BTW the connection worked Sunday thru Thursday is you didn't mind waiting 21 hours for the continuation.
NEW YORK CENTRAL, UTICA, MANASSES
In 1957 it was still possible, if you were adventurous, to board a train in New York at 8:30 on Saturday night and ride on the trains of a single railroad company to Montreal Quebec. (The southbound trip worked daily except Sunday). Name the stations where train changes were necessary.
rc, we are waiting for your question, and pardon my impatience.
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. EXCEPT THAT I THINK IT IS CALLED FOREST HILLS, NOT ARBORWAY ON THE ORANGE LINE, THE THIRD RAIL LINE. SOME DIESEL COMMUTER TRAINS STOP NEARBY, OR DID, AND THAT STATION IS ALSO FOREST HILLS OR WAS. AS PART OF THE BIG DIG MONEY RECEIVED, PROMISES WERE MADE TO IMPROVE PUBLIC TANSIT INCLUDING RESTORATION OF THE E GREEN LINE TO ARBORWAY. SOME MERCHANTS OBJECED TO LOOSING STREET PARKING, AND THE T USED THAT ALONG WITH GENERAL DISFAVOR OF SHARING TRACK LANES WITH GENERAL TRAFFIC AS AN EXCUSE TO NIX THE PROJECT. THE RESULT IS WASTEFUL DUPLICATION OF THE ARBORWAY BUS AND THE HEATH STREET SUBWAY-SURFACE L;INE ALL THE SAY FROM HEATH STREETO ARLINGTON AND BOYLSTON STREETS AND BOSTON NOT GETTING FULL VALUE FROM THE INVESTMENT IN THE HUNTINGTON AVENUE SUBWAY. ACELA AND NORTHEAST REGIONAL TRAINS ARE NOW UNDER WIRE NEARBY, NOT STOPPING OF COURSE
IN THE CLASSIC ERA, THE ARBORWAY STATION SAW SUBWA-SURFACE SERVICE TO PARK STREET, AND STREETCAR SERVICE TO CHARLES RIVER LOOP, DEDHAM LINE, CLEARY SQUARE, HYDE PARK, AND MATTAPAN VIA CUMMINGS HIGHWAY. AND ALSO UNDER THE ELEVATED TO EGGLESTON.
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It sounds like Boston's Arborway area. The "E" Green Line has been cut back to Heath Circle, and the Arborway Orange Line station is on a different place than the old one. The one-time Arborway carhouse was also near the end of the "E" branch.
I'd like to say part of the TTC system, but maybe Boston? Can't find anything.
More hints. An extensive carhouse was in the area. Now there is a bus garage. Rail service on the third rail operation nearby stops at an interchange station with a different name -but a name somehow relaated as to kind. The current electric rail service that employs overhead wire technology does not stop in the area. The line for which the loop and station were built still operates but was shortened to what was a short-turn loop, and on weekends may still be shortened further, although there were protests against this meassure.
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Hint: In the classic era there were seven streetcar or light rail lines terminating at or near the location and third rail elecric service nearby. This latter still exists,but on a new alignment along with new overhed wire service that does not and could not possibly use the new streetcar loop and station that is used only bues now.
My question, as part of general civic improvements, a beautiful streetcar or light rail terminal has been constructed with new girder rail in a loop, a platform slightly above sidewalk level for level boarding with low-floor cars, a shelter, and benches. But it is only served by a bus line (or bus lines), and there is a gap between the new rails and the rails of the operating overhead wire powered system, and wire has not been installed on the new (now more than several years old) construction. At one time the operating authority promised restoration of rail service to this location, but has stated it has not any intenition now of fulfilling this commmitment.
Name the line, what if anything it does now, and the operating authoroity. If you can, give the history, optional. If you can name all trolley lines (streetcar and light rail) that served this location during WWII, optonal. If you can, again optional, give the operating authorities general policy that opposes restoration of service.
daveklepper OK, but I am correct in saying they were lavatories. Do I get to ask the next question? Or what else is needed? Now the question could remain were they exclusively for the four sections at that end of the car or were they for use by any of the passengers in that car? If the doors faced the center aisle, what would prevent any passenger from using them? Or did a car of this type always run at the front or rear of the train with a door closing the aisle fo the four specific sections and their lavatories? But that is not realistic if the men's and ladies' rooms were at ends of the car, opposite ends.
OK, but I am correct in saying they were lavatories. Do I get to ask the next question? Or what else is needed? Now the question could remain were they exclusively for the four sections at that end of the car or were they for use by any of the passengers in that car? If the doors faced the center aisle, what would prevent any passenger from using them? Or did a car of this type always run at the front or rear of the train with a door closing the aisle fo the four specific sections and their lavatories? But that is not realistic if the men's and ladies' rooms were at ends of the car, opposite ends.
Incidentally, the inner sanctums in the lavatories are called "saloons."
Johnny
Ed, I'm sorry, but I cannot help you. The only book I have with lightweight floor plans is Wayner's book.
Johnny:
Do you have a floor plan for the Silver Chateau and Silver Veranda? Wayner's "Car Names, Numbers, and Consists" does not have plans for any of the 1956 DZ cars.
Ed Burns
enburns@Comcast.net
763-234-9306 cell
No shower; back in those days, all the showers were in public cars, such as lounge cars. No difference between the fixtures in these rooms and the same fixtures in the men's and women's lavatories. If it had a shower, the room would have been a three-quarter bathroom.
OK, so they were toilets with pull-down sinks that could fold up out of the way when wanted to sit on the toilet, like most roomettes had if my memory is correct. Or were they showers? Or all three facilities in one compact room, shower, toilet, sink.
KCSfan Deggesty No, they were not for men only, and, according to the floor plan, there were no urinals in them; indeed, you could call them half-baths. Think about their position in the car, with respect to the private sections. You've got me back to thinking about their connection to the sections at the women's lounge end of the car. If there was just one "annex" I might think it contained a small basin for bathing a baby but I can't imagine there was a need for four such facilities. Mark
Deggesty No, they were not for men only, and, according to the floor plan, there were no urinals in them; indeed, you could call them half-baths. Think about their position in the car, with respect to the private sections.
No, they were not for men only, and, according to the floor plan, there were no urinals in them; indeed, you could call them half-baths.
Think about their position in the car, with respect to the private sections.
You've got me back to thinking about their connection to the sections at the women's lounge end of the car. If there was just one "annex" I might think it contained a small basin for bathing a baby but I can't imagine there was a need for four such facilities.
Mark
I'm confused and maybe this has been mentioned before but did these annexes contain a toilet and a wash basin?
Four private sections, each one is next to an annex.
The physical layout almost suggests "immigrant cars" that had mini kitchens.
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