Bingo! You've nailed it , Rob. GM&O trains terminated at Trendley Avenue Station in East St. Louis, IL. The note in the OG's read as follows"
"Connecting bus service is provided by Gulf Mobile & Ohio RR between between St. Louis and East St. Louis Greyhound Terminals and Trendley Avenue Station."
"Thru passengers are transferred by bus from Trendley Avenue Station to St. Louis Union Station and also by Yellow Cab Co. from St. Louis Union Station to St. Louis Greyhouind Terminal or Trendley Avenue Station, without charge to revenue passengers."
Mark
That would make it the Gulf Mobile and Ohio, whose ex-Mobile and Ohio line to "St. Louis" ended across the river at East St. Louis, Illinois. GM&O trains didn't reach St. Louis proper until the merger with the Chicago and Alton in 1947.
OK. Here's a hint that may trigger your thoughts. At the time this railroad didn't even run into the state in which the city that's the subject of this question is located.
rcdrye it was a throwaway question, so let's go with Mark's.
it was a throwaway question, so let's go with Mark's.
Not at all. I never heard of the Spiders. They had a great pitcher.
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KCSfan If asked the various endpoints of this railroads's lines circa 1940, it's fairly certain most of us would mention a certain city. The equipment section of this road's representation in the Official Guides show coaches and sleepers running to and from this city. In fact, trains of that road did not run into this city but that is evident only if you read a note in the OG's of the time. Name the city, the railroad and the particulars of its operation in this locale. Mark
If asked the various endpoints of this railroads's lines circa 1940, it's fairly certain most of us would mention a certain city. The equipment section of this road's representation in the Official Guides show coaches and sleepers running to and from this city. In fact, trains of that road did not run into this city but that is evident only if you read a note in the OG's of the time.
Name the city, the railroad and the particulars of its operation in this locale.
Let's leave your question active - I already answered the old one. Besides, I've already invested brain power trying to answer your question!
As I re-read it I see that I mis-interpreted your reply to my mention of the Cubs. Sorry for the mistake and I withdraw the new question I had asked.
Just for the record the Cubs were NOT the team. The Cubs didn't even beome the Cubs until 1903. The 1899 Cleveland Spiders, owned by Frank Robison, who also owned the Cleveland City Railway, had the 20-134 record (.129). The Spiders played in League Park, also owned by Robison, which was on Lexington Avenue on the outer part of the Payne Avenue Line. The other cable line was on Superior. On the other hand, it was a throwaway question, so let's go with Mark's.
The Cub's record the year of the last Chicago cable operation (1906) was 116-36 (.763), good enough for the NL Pennant.
The Cubs played on the West Side in the Cable Car era, not moving to the North Side until some years later. (Metropolitan West Side Elevated was used to reach the Cubs park) This was a different city, and the Baseball franchise and and Cable railway were owned by the same person. The team ran up a 20-134 record in 1899, once blowing a 10 run lead in the 9th (sportswriters really wanted to know how they got 10 runs in the first place.) The cable line was one of two in the city, both running east of the downtown area, both converted to electric in 1900 and 1901. No record of whether the disastrous season forced the conversion.
Ah, the poor old Cubbies. Granted they've had a rough time of it since they banned "the goat" , but they aren't the worst team ever. Not according to Cooperstown.
rcdrye You have it nicely bracketed. I will give away that its a National League team, and the other (A.L.) team in the city is still active.
You have it nicely bracketed. I will give away that its a National League team, and the other (A.L.) team in the city is still active.
Chicago Cubs
Well, the worst major league team is a little subjective, but I'd say Brooklyn. But way way back in the 19th century. Second up, Kansas City.
I'm up on the other forum anyway. You guys are good enough it's hard to get two stumpers at the same time.
Here's a good one, though: One of this city's cable car lines was extended out a radial street, at least partly to serve the baseball park where the team with the all-time worst major league record played.
C'mon, I was kidding. The next question is unmistakably not Dave's burden.
Actually , I'd be happy for Dave to ask the next question since he did all the legwork. N.B. I posted the answer around 2PM his time.
H&M's Hudson Terminal.
Very, very close. Remember, classic railroad quiz refers to 50 or more years ago.
The Pre-2001 PATH World Trade Center Station in the basemrnt of the World Trade Towers.
Penn? My fault. This station had exactly 5 tracks.
Penn Station?
Dave is darn close, geographically. Passenger station.
Chicago Union Station? The description sounds like the Chicago Post Office.
The New York Central's St. John's Place Freight Terminal?
Flying Crow passes the baton to WANS for the question. Break it up a bit. That was a booger, Mark. It took the last hint for the brain to kick in.
Bingo, we have a winner. The line ran from Devon, WV, through a corner of Kentucky and terminated at Grundy VA. It was originally a logging railroad but wound up serving the numerous coal mines that were opened in the area. Between 1928 and 1931 the N&W invested heavily in the line, converting it to standard gauge and reducing its curvatures and grades. The BS&C name was dropped and the line became the Buchanan Branch of the N&W. 2-6-6-2's then replaced the narrow gauge Shays and Climaxes. Passenger service ended in 1957 when the N&W dropped the Devon - Grundy mixed train. The line of course is now the NS and is still a big hauler of coal.
That did it..... I didn't realize it was 3'-6". Thought it was only 3'. The BIG SANDY & CUMBERLAND. Owned by the N&W.
Maybe another hint will generate some guesses.
Because of its traffic potential, in the early 1920's the stock of this railroad was was purchased by a major Class I which retained its old name and continued narrow guage operation. The road's "crack" passenger train was unofficially known as the Tri-State Limited. This train averaged 11 mph in one direction and 8.4 mph in the other.
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