The 4 train on Dyar must have been a fan trip, since the 4 doesn't run there normally, just the 5. The above photo is on the lower or express level of the Lexington Avenue subway, looking north on the downtown platform, because if my memory is correct, the crossoever downtown to uptown trakcks is north of the station. I think there is also a crossover on the upper or local level, but I see only signs pointing up, while on the local level there would also be signs pointing down (to the express platforms)..
But if my memory is incorrect, and the crossover is south of the station, then we are on the uptown platform looking south.
daveklepperThe 4 train on Dyar must have been a fan trip, since the 4 doesn't run there normally, just the 5. The above photo is on the lower or express level of the Lexington Avenue subway, looking north on the downtown platform, because if my memory is correct, the crossoever downtown to uptown trakcks is north of the station. I think there is also a crossover on the upper or local level, but I see only signs pointing up, while on the local level there would also be signs pointing down (to the express platforms)..
The (4) train in this thread? Ah Hem... That is an HO scale model on my train layout in North Dakota.
59th Street.? The one just above? It's on the BMT in Brooklyn.
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Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
LION in Hiding...
9th Ave on the D train or West Ave. Line. Had to go there myself after your first pics there. Fascinating. BUt don't go up the stairs on the north end of the platform or you'll at least get yelled at by the Transit Police.
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I should have seen that yellow line on the opposite platform on the far side, giving away that it is a 4-track 59th Street Station. But note that the lower level of Lexington and 59th is a modern almost IND-style station, in contrast with the upper level which is typical somewhat modernized Lexington Avenue IRT. The 50th and Lex was originally built as only a local station, and the lower level express platforms were added around 1949 or 1950. As far your model photo, well you did a good job/ I assumed the apartment houses boarding the RofW were added after I last rode that line.
I still think you should not discriminate against 8th Streeters on your layout.
daveklepper I assumed the apartment houses boarding the RofW were added after I last rode that line.
At Prospect Park? Those apartments have been there since the'20s.
The ones on Franklin Avenue are my interpretation of apartments that appear to be 1950s ish.
Apartmens along the Dyar Avene line, not PP. PP also model, not real? Good model!
Lion is sitting on the black ledge on the concrete wall. Looking for a unwary construction worker?
You are at the north end of the southbound L platform at B'way E.N.Y. looking at the J (nd Z?) platforms.
Northbound on Franklin Ave. from the PP tunnel portal is real and not a model because the one train is not a Lion IRT Blue and Grey.
After a busy day yesterday, the LION is hiding somewhere on the subway.
Lion is standing on top of the platform canopy near the tower at right.
4th Avenue IND Crosstown Line.
I would not call it the Crosstown line since the most used train is the F, not the G-Crosstown, and the rigiht term might be the IND Church Avenue and Coney Island Line, or the only IND-built elevated. Pardon my quibling.
Actually both the G and the F trains use this station equally. G is "crosstown" direct south to north from Church Ave, Brooklyn to Court Sq., Queens. The F trains from north to to south and east from Stillwell Ave, Coney Island through Manhattan then east to Jamaica at the LIRR station. However, that can, and does, change often. The G train has run as far north as Forrest HIlls and as far south as Coney Island at one time or another. The F train used to run as the local alongside the E train expresses to and from Jamaica. There are continuous changes as some of my Ridewithmehenry riders thought the F train ride was going down what is now being used by the B train, etc. Etc.. Etc. Etc. Fun though.
daveklepper ...the only IND-built elevated. Pardon my quibling.
No, Dave, your point is quite relevant. The last picture of that station I have seen was a G, so that is why I called it the Crosstown Line. I agree with the part above, probably the best description. Service patterns do change pretty often.
I've always wondered why there are two double track trusses and then four one track trusses.
For a long time the G ran only to Smith and 9th and did not serve 4th Avenue. As far as I know it never never ran to Coey Island, not even to Kings Highway. You will not find one single photo of a G in pasenger service on the Culver El structure. What I meant by most used is the most people boarding and alighting at 4th Avenue use the F, and not a the G. Check number of cars on the trains and you will get proof.
I do think at one time for one time the G ran further toward Coney Island than Church St.....but you are right about the number of people using F vs G as the G trains are 2-6 cars while the F's are 8-10...number of trains is about equal.
The G has never run past Church Avenue. The amount of additional patronage that through service would bring is miniscule compared to the additional costs involved, since the F can handle all the regular and seasonal traffic.
And the F is one line that isn't disrupted because of the availability of alternative routes. if it cannot use the 63rd St.tunnel it can use 53rd St. 8th instead of 6th Ave. Fulton Street tunnel instead of Essex St. So the G has not run to C. I. even in emergencies.
LION in Hiding on the BMT line.
Got me stumped, too little data, but I would guess somewhere on the Brighton Ave. H or south to Ocean Parkway.
Got me stumped, too. I can't find the Lion. Is he in the ivy?
But now that I examine the photo more carefully, yes, the Brighton, but north of Ave. H, Courtelyou Rd. or Beverlt Rd., I would guess.
It *IS* Avenue H, and the LION wins this round, come out LION and show yourself:
LION on the West End
Parkide Avenue, the station between Prospect Park and Newkirk Avenue. For the life of me, I cannot fathom what the Ocean Avenue sign is doing on the building, since Ocean Avenue is a street that is parallel to the Brigihton Line, somewhat east of it, and not crossed by any rapid transit line in a cut. Note the beginnings of the P on the colunn at the extreme right of the pix, which just confirmed my memory of the mazzanine-type station. I think the Ocean Avenue sign is the result from untrustworthy Lion's photo manipulaton!
LION manipulates no sign. It is the Parkside Avenue Station. The sign names the Tunnel more than it does the street above the tunnel.
Train passes under Ocean Avenue and also Parkside and Woodruff Avenues, but mostly it is under Ocean Avenue.
The map doesn't tell me much because the Brighton Line is not shown clearly enough. But you are right and I was wrong in this case. I am so used to subway maps showing the Birghton Line as a straight line south from Prospect Park Station, that for many years remote from the line itself, I've come to think of it as a straight line. But it isn't. Also Parkside is between Prospect Park and Church Avenue, not Newkirk, which is south of Cortelyou and north of Aven H. The Brighton Line and Ocean Avenue are parallel south of Church Avenue, but I had forgotton that at :Prospect Park Station, the Brighton Line is actually east of Ocean Avenue. And the long tunnel at the Parkside Station is because Ocean Avenue is diagonally across the Brighton Line, not at right antles or close to right angles. Apologies. Ocean Avenue had its own streetcar line. At the south end it had an end-on connection with the Sea Gate Line, which ran west ono Neptune Avnenue, running under the Brighton line near the Ocean Parkway station, then south on PRW to Surf Avenue and west through all of Coney Island. I didn't understand why the BMT didn't provide thru service, but then NYCTA put buses on Sea Gate in 1947 (while keeping most of the track as the only streetcar connection to the Nortons Point Line) and kept Ocean Avenue as streetcar until about 1950.
The LION is out inspecting the tracks.
Ah, an easy one for a change. We are looking south from the south end of the southbound platform at the Cortelyou Road station, and the incline to the embankment and Avenue H. Station can be seen in the far, far distance, beyond the overpass of another diagonally intersecting street whose name I do not remember.
You must have taken the photo in the morning during the early part of summer, judging by the sun's angle as described by the shadows.
You ought to give the Brighton Line a rest on next summer's photo excursion. The Sea Beach awaits you. Try and find signs of where the three freight sindings took of from switches on the northen most track, the north or wesb-bound local track. A photo showing an N train in the cut and a B on the West End elevated structure above where they cross at 62nd and New Utrecht Avenue would be winner.
The freight sidings were equipped with trolleywire, not third rail. They interrupted the concret wall.
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