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[Modelcar]

....Didn't The E units have 2 engines in them....? If so, I believe this was later and if this is really so....with what model...?

[Modelcar]

....Didn't The E units have 2 engines in them....? If so, I believe this was later and if this is really so....with what model...?

[edblysard]

Jim,
Remember, the third axle on E units was a idler axle, not a power axle.
The A x A trucks were there to support the longer carbody, which had the steam generator in the rear, and spread the weight of the locomotive over a bigger footprint.
Yes, they rode better, but didnt pull any better.
And when Santa Fe discovered the F unit would be a great dual purpose unit, they realized why buy both models when you can get by with one?
Notice they went from the E3 to the E5, then straight to the F7 with B units.

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Jim,
Remember, the third axle on E units was a idler axle, not a power axle.
The A x A trucks were there to support the longer carbody, which had the steam generator in the rear, and spread the weight of the locomotive over a bigger footprint.
Yes, they rode better, but didnt pull any better.
And when Santa Fe discovered the F unit would be a great dual purpose unit, they realized why buy both models when you can get by with one?
Notice they went from the E3 to the E5, then straight to the F7 with B units.

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[wabash1]

the short hood was not that bad to see around. and it made getting to the toilot easier than the chopped down nose on those you haft to open the door turn around get down on your hands and knees crawl backwards down into the nose ( all this while holding your buns together) so you can go to the bathroom. all at track speed and on rough track ( this is where accidents happen) and the amount of room you had it was easy to get hung up on something. and still have accidents.

[wabash1]

the short hood was not that bad to see around. and it made getting to the toilot easier than the chopped down nose on those you haft to open the door turn around get down on your hands and knees crawl backwards down into the nose ( all this while holding your buns together) so you can go to the bathroom. all at track speed and on rough track ( this is where accidents happen) and the amount of room you had it was easy to get hung up on something. and still have accidents.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

ATSF had F's, E's and PA's in passenger service. The E's may not have lasted long in mainline passenger service because of grades. They were often found on the Denver-La Junta connecting runs and possibly other light service. The PA's had GE 752 motors so the idler axle may have been less of a factor. After all, many PA's spent fairly long careers pulling freight. F's with steam lines and steam generators were dual-service power and may have filled in on freights during traffic surges.
Availability or non-availability of dynamic brake on E's could also be a factor.

So you are saying that the Es lacked the "umph" needed for the mountain grades? Since Es were for speed and not necessarily for power (pulling).

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

ATSF had F's, E's and PA's in passenger service. The E's may not have lasted long in mainline passenger service because of grades. They were often found on the Denver-La Junta connecting runs and possibly other light service. The PA's had GE 752 motors so the idler axle may have been less of a factor. After all, many PA's spent fairly long careers pulling freight. F's with steam lines and steam generators were dual-service power and may have filled in on freights during traffic surges.
Availability or non-availability of dynamic brake on E's could also be a factor.

So you are saying that the Es lacked the "umph" needed for the mountain grades? Since Es were for speed and not necessarily for power (pulling).

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

ATSF had F's, E's and PA's in passenger service. The E's may not have lasted long in mainline passenger service because of grades. They were often found on the Denver-La Junta connecting runs and possibly other light service. The PA's had GE 752 motors so the idler axle may have been less of a factor. After all, many PA's spent fairly long careers pulling freight. F's with steam lines and steam generators were dual-service power and may have filled in on freights during traffic surges.
Availability or non-availability of dynamic brake on E's could also be a factor.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

ATSF had F's, E's and PA's in passenger service. The E's may not have lasted long in mainline passenger service because of grades. They were often found on the Denver-La Junta connecting runs and possibly other light service. The PA's had GE 752 motors so the idler axle may have been less of a factor. After all, many PA's spent fairly long careers pulling freight. F's with steam lines and steam generators were dual-service power and may have filled in on freights during traffic surges.
Availability or non-availability of dynamic brake on E's could also be a factor.

[Anonymous]

I don't have any reference book dedicated solely to the Santa Fe. So I don't have an answer to my own question. Therefore, some of you big Santa Fe fans will have to jump in and answer this one. The E units were the tried and accepted passenger units of their time while the F units were the standard for freight trains. So why did Santa Fe use passenger-geared F units for the Super Chief and other passenger trains? The only answer I can think of would be the additional rail wear from the third axle. F units were susposed to be rough riding units where as the E units were reported to give a smooth ride. How did Santa Fe choose F over E units?

[Anonymous]

I don't have any reference book dedicated solely to the Santa Fe. So I don't have an answer to my own question. Therefore, some of you big Santa Fe fans will have to jump in and answer this one. The E units were the tried and accepted passenger units of their time while the F units were the standard for freight trains. So why did Santa Fe use passenger-geared F units for the Super Chief and other passenger trains? The only answer I can think of would be the additional rail wear from the third axle. F units were susposed to be rough riding units where as the E units were reported to give a smooth ride. How did Santa Fe choose F over E units?

[mudchicken]

We'll put in a good word for ya....won't help much, but......

[mudchicken]

We'll put in a good word for ya....won't help much, but......

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

MISTER Feathers, Sir..... I will look for it - we usually see the SW10 and SW15 out there. The one I saw was coming in from the south - going through the yards and headed west. Don't know if it stopped in the yards and stayed or went on west. Don't know from whence it came either! I really wi***hey would drop me notes, letting me in on some of this!

Anyway - I haven't seen anything like that except from a great distance ('O' street) and buried in the yards! They need to run this stuff out and let me look it over!

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

MISTER Feathers, Sir..... I will look for it - we usually see the SW10 and SW15 out there. The one I saw was coming in from the south - going through the yards and headed west. Don't know if it stopped in the yards and stayed or went on west. Don't know from whence it came either! I really wi***hey would drop me notes, letting me in on some of this!

Anyway - I haven't seen anything like that except from a great distance ('O' street) and buried in the yards! They need to run this stuff out and let me look it over!

Mookie

[mudchicken]

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

[mudchicken]

Mookie:

Unless it moved or was retired recently, a rare bird BN cascade green GP9-B still switches the Havelock shops out east of you for clearance reasons! (THINK "Ichabod", as in headless horses!) It has a hostler's control stand inside, but no seat or windows.

Fe Feathers

[Mookie]

ahhh...the Mookie sees!

[Mookie]

ahhh...the Mookie sees!

[CShaveRR]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Because cabs, with their controls, computers, windows, and seats, are expensive. Building locomotives without them ought to significantly reduce their cost.

However, the tradeoff is in flexibility...you can't have those things leading a train, and having too many of them around might make the horsepower-per-ton figure unfavorable to the bean-counters.

[CShaveRR]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Because cabs, with their controls, computers, windows, and seats, are expensive. Building locomotives without them ought to significantly reduce their cost.

However, the tradeoff is in flexibility...you can't have those things leading a train, and having too many of them around might make the horsepower-per-ton figure unfavorable to the bean-counters.

[JoeKoh]

mookie
it just depends on whats available.csx will take anything it can get.
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

mookie
it just depends on whats available.csx will take anything it can get.
stay safe
joe

[Mookie]

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Mook

[Mookie]

Seems like it was a GP60B - I wrote it down at the time, but don't have that info any more. But I am still confused.

Why not just another engine? Why have ones w/o cabs?

Mook

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

On BNSF, it would probably be a GP60B. BNSF has 23 GP60B's, about 10 SD45-2B's, and 2 or 3 SD40-2B's. The SD45-2B's and SD40-2B's had their cabs removed by the railroad shops and the GP60B's were factory-built without cabs. BNSF does not have any road slugs.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

On BNSF, it would probably be a GP60B. BNSF has 23 GP60B's, about 10 SD45-2B's, and 2 or 3 SD40-2B's. The SD45-2B's and SD40-2B's had their cabs removed by the railroad shops and the GP60B's were factory-built without cabs. BNSF does not have any road slugs.

[Mookie]

BB Brain here - tell me - again - what it would be if there was a lead motor and a cabless unit behind it. (I think the lead unit was a Dash 9! (BNSF)

Mookie

[Mookie]

BB Brain here - tell me - again - what it would be if there was a lead motor and a cabless unit behind it. (I think the lead unit was a Dash 9! (BNSF)

Mookie