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[CSSHEGEWISCH]

BNSF has a series of hump slugs that are also equipped with control cabs. Most of them have been rebuilt from SD9's and they resemble SW1500's with a very long hood and C-C trucks.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

BNSF has a series of hump slugs that are also equipped with control cabs. Most of them have been rebuilt from SD9's and they resemble SW1500's with a very long hood and C-C trucks.

[dehusman]

CShaveRRf:

About 10 sec after you posted I realized that I had overlooked the slugs you were talking about. the ones I've seen have been sandwiched between two road units.

Unfortunately the forum didn't post my acknowledgement.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

CShaveRRf:

About 10 sec after you posted I realized that I had overlooked the slugs you were talking about. the ones I've seen have been sandwiched between two road units.

Unfortunately the forum didn't post my acknowledgement.

Dave H.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

Actually, the toilet was in the short hood of the passenger units, too. There wasn't much room in a short nose with a steam boiler unit and a toilet...and it was VERY unpleasant when the boiler was running!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

Actually, the toilet was in the short hood of the passenger units, too. There wasn't much room in a short nose with a steam boiler unit and a toilet...and it was VERY unpleasant when the boiler was running!

[CShaveRR]

Sorry, Dave, but the CSX slugs did (and do!) have functioning control stands, lack of prime mover notwithstanding. They couldn't move without being attached to a mother unit, but they were, at least when they were rebuilt, the cab of choice to be in the lead, for obvious reasons--no engine noise! A control stand in a slug would be capable of functioning, just as does the control stand in the cab car of a commuter train.

[CShaveRR]

Sorry, Dave, but the CSX slugs did (and do!) have functioning control stands, lack of prime mover notwithstanding. They couldn't move without being attached to a mother unit, but they were, at least when they were rebuilt, the cab of choice to be in the lead, for obvious reasons--no engine noise! A control stand in a slug would be capable of functioning, just as does the control stand in the cab car of a commuter train.

[dehusman]

The high hoods were there because it was cheaper to make on height hood. Since on the early units it was common to make the long hood end the front, lowering the short hood wouldn't gain much since all you would be looking at is the end of teh first car. 8-)

The equipment in a low short hood was basically the same as in a high short hood.

A road slug would not have a functional control stand in the cab. By definition a slug doesn't have an engine in it, so there would be nothing to control. About the most you'd have is an air guage or a volt and ampmeter to check if the electrical side was working and an electrial panel with switches/breakers to cut out or turn off the various electrial components.

If you are referring to a "B" unit, that would have a minimally functional control stand, which could range from a spartan regular control stand to "hostler" controls that only move the engines.

Virtually all road slugs are rebuilds. B units can come from the factory.

Dave H.

[dehusman]

The high hoods were there because it was cheaper to make on height hood. Since on the early units it was common to make the long hood end the front, lowering the short hood wouldn't gain much since all you would be looking at is the end of teh first car. 8-)

The equipment in a low short hood was basically the same as in a high short hood.

A road slug would not have a functional control stand in the cab. By definition a slug doesn't have an engine in it, so there would be nothing to control. About the most you'd have is an air guage or a volt and ampmeter to check if the electrical side was working and an electrial panel with switches/breakers to cut out or turn off the various electrial components.

If you are referring to a "B" unit, that would have a minimally functional control stand, which could range from a spartan regular control stand to "hostler" controls that only move the engines.

Virtually all road slugs are rebuilds. B units can come from the factory.

Dave H.

[CShaveRR]

CSX's road slugs were conversions of older units, mostly GP30s and GP35s. Besides functioning cabs, the dynamic brakes also worked. At one time, they could supply fuel from their fuel tank to their "mother" (the accompanying powered unit), but I've been told that this procedure has been discontinued.

And yes, around the early 1960s, they found that a locomotive toilet was just as disgusting and prone to malfunction in a low nose as it was in a high nose.

[CShaveRR]

CSX's road slugs were conversions of older units, mostly GP30s and GP35s. Besides functioning cabs, the dynamic brakes also worked. At one time, they could supply fuel from their fuel tank to their "mother" (the accompanying powered unit), but I've been told that this procedure has been discontinued.

And yes, around the early 1960s, they found that a locomotive toilet was just as disgusting and prone to malfunction in a low nose as it was in a high nose.

[WDGF]

Going back to the slugs for a moment, I found a shot of a six-axle CSX slug: <http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38043>

I see there are also "road slugs" (?) which look like full locomotives without all the access doors. Am I correct in thinking that the cabs in these are fully functional?
Some of the photos I'm looking at have it as the lead, so I guess they'd have to be. Are these also rebuilds, or were some of them built as road slugs?

[WDGF]

Going back to the slugs for a moment, I found a shot of a six-axle CSX slug: <http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38043>

I see there are also "road slugs" (?) which look like full locomotives without all the access doors. Am I correct in thinking that the cabs in these are fully functional?
Some of the photos I'm looking at have it as the lead, so I guess they'd have to be. Are these also rebuilds, or were some of them built as road slugs?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by WDGF

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

WDGF [:)]

Welcome to the forums. [:)]

I don't have time right now but tomorrow (if noone else has answered these questions) I will add some comments for you.

I have some more info on the tender and their heating the water that I want to also include. Untill then, everyone be careful and stay safe.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by WDGF

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

WDGF [:)]

Welcome to the forums. [:)]

I don't have time right now but tomorrow (if noone else has answered these questions) I will add some comments for you.

I have some more info on the tender and their heating the water that I want to also include. Untill then, everyone be careful and stay safe.

[WDGF]

Jim;

Thanks for the info. I always wondered if the toilet was up front. It sounds a bit like a storage shed.

[WDGF]

Jim;

Thanks for the info. I always wondered if the toilet was up front. It sounds a bit like a storage shed.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

Here is a really irrelevant question. Does anyone know why they call it "Armour" yellow?

--Nora

I rather like that question! We need some more like that - simple and straight to the point! Plus it wasn't too technical - my kinda question!

Mook

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

Here is a really irrelevant question. Does anyone know why they call it "Armour" yellow?

--Nora

I rather like that question! We need some more like that - simple and straight to the point! Plus it wasn't too technical - my kinda question!

Mook

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by talbanese

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

When/where is the water heated? Can the water freeze in the tender?

By the turn of the century every loco had a preheater to heat the water up to a higher temp. that was to prevent forcing cold water into the boiler and getting a cooresponding drop in steam pressure, the heated water at near the same boiler temp would have no effect on the steam pressure as it entered. As for the tenders, it takes A LONG TIME to freeze a tank of water the size of a tender, coupled with the splashing and shlooshing of the water in a moving car made freezing a lesser concern, but I have heard that some of the roads in extremly cold climates routed a steam pipe through the tender and along the water feed pipes to keep the water from freezing.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by talbanese

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

.....In the winter time the water was never "warm" in the tender....and some engines had preheaters [by steam], to take some of the cold out of the water before it entered the boiler....

When/where is the water heated? Can the water freeze in the tender?

By the turn of the century every loco had a preheater to heat the water up to a higher temp. that was to prevent forcing cold water into the boiler and getting a cooresponding drop in steam pressure, the heated water at near the same boiler temp would have no effect on the steam pressure as it entered. As for the tenders, it takes A LONG TIME to freeze a tank of water the size of a tender, coupled with the splashing and shlooshing of the water in a moving car made freezing a lesser concern, but I have heard that some of the roads in extremly cold climates routed a steam pipe through the tender and along the water feed pipes to keep the water from freezing.

[zardoz]

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

[zardoz]

WDGF-
Welcome to the forums. Feel free to ask all you want. Lots of folks here willing to help if we can.

As you surmised, the high hoods were used to store equipment of various kinds. On units used for passenger service, the steam boiler was in the high nose; on freight locomotives the high nose housed the toilet. And usually switch brooms, fusees, spare hoses, wrenches, etc.

The is little in the way of protection from a high short-nose. It is just sheet metal bolted to the frame.

And you are correct, the visibility was awful.

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Any officials I would have known, from out Proviso way? You only did what I may have felt like doing often enough...

I really hesitate to mention names, in case the recipient of my enthusiasm is still working there. If I contact any of my buddies from those days, I'll ask if the stupid, ignorant pile of slug mucous is still there.

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Any officials I would have known, from out Proviso way? You only did what I may have felt like doing often enough...

I really hesitate to mention names, in case the recipient of my enthusiasm is still working there. If I contact any of my buddies from those days, I'll ask if the stupid, ignorant pile of slug mucous is still there.

[WDGF]

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

[WDGF]

New stupid question from a noob:

[I'm completely ignorant of a great many things regarding trains, but this is proving such a wealth of new (to me) information I decided to sign up. Thanks for starting this particular thread!]

I've always been curious about the "whys" of locomotive design. An example: The early GPs (GP/SD9?) have a full height short hood, as opposed to the below the windshield hoods of later models. Why? They look like they would badly restrict vision.

I have some thoughts on why, but no idea what the actual truth is. I'm thinking:
1) It was considered important for crew safety to put something that large up front.
2) It's a much needed space for equipment of some kind.
or
3) It's just the way the designer decided to do it, for no particular reason.

I'm sure I'll have PLENTY of basic questions to come later.

[coalminer3]

IIRC, and this may be a legend, it was the same yellow used on Armour refrigerator cars.

work safe

[coalminer3]

IIRC, and this may be a legend, it was the same yellow used on Armour refrigerator cars.

work safe