This topic is NOT for Cowards...

[JoeKoh]

thanks i'll write that down.
stay safe
joe

[Anonymous]

If you read the dockets that Missouri is referring to, you will see public comments posted by

Robert T Pines 107 E Springfield Sullivan, MO 63080

Perhaps Missouri and Mr. Pines know each other?

[Anonymous]

Joe,
Don't belive I'd be sucessfull. In order to understand a person
must read and comprehend the information. If it's that bad I think I'd find
another interest or hobby.Actually it's a rather sad situation[:(]. Makes
railfans everywhere look bad.
Harry

[JoeKoh]

hey harry
if you can get missouri to understand that that would be great.
stay safe
joe

[Anonymous]

Thanks to the new forums I know what all the fuss is about. Much
ado about nothing. NO one stopped to look or listen in any of the reports.
So now it's the railroads fault ? Lets see, that falls under the category
of Personal Responsibility for one's actions, words,choices or decisions.
It's easier to blame someone or something else than to take responsibility
for ones actions today. Railroads don't want to kill anyone, employee or
citizen.
Their job is to move goods as safe and efficiently as possible
not to lose money . No train crew wants to injure or kill anyone either. Time
to move on and have fun.
Harryjr

[Anonymous]

I hate to bust your buble but you post on here right?

good everytime you post you leave your IP address behind...

197.859.768.90.8.7

somehting that looks like that...

it identifies, the make of your computer, your exact location from where your acsessing the internet, and your internet service provioder... eblieve it or not if somone really wated to find you that bad... they would!

Everyone who accesses the internet has an IP address!

so if you post on here.. someone who nkows how to read IPs can tell exactly where you are at... like a car serial number!

[Anonymous]

I think antigates is right, who knows who reads these. Anyone can answer or check out your background.
Scottydog

[Anonymous]

The "challenge" of "not for cowards" annoyed me, and I think anyone who'd put up the detailed personal info I've seen some throw up is foolhardy.

Too many nuts on the net, who, if they decide they have been "put off" by something you said, doo all kinds of screewball stuff like harrass your employer about you, claim you did stuff you didn't, and generally make a pain for you with your human resources dept.

That's why..people need to think about not just those with good intent, but thee nutso's who can turn on a dime.

[Anonymous]

If you didn't feel like answring "rick" why did you even waste your time responding?


i'm listening...

dark alley.. no i don't hang around those places, sorry. you'll never meet me in one of those!

[Anonymous]

Huh-unh! not me sorry! Not that I'm afraid of you, but there are just too many nuts on the web for me to volunteer that info carte blanche

If you feel the need to confront me ever, just say so and we'll arrange a nice dark alley somewhere for a cowards rendevous...=)

[Mookie]

I think that about sums it all up. We are going to be in for a real fall and a lot of really disappointed (already) fans. But it will be interesting to see what happens with new AD.

Jen

[JoeKoh]

larry
at ohio state it's beat michigan or be canned!
GO BUCKS!
joe

[Anonymous]

Jen,
You know Bob and Tom set the standard so high, that any body who filled their shoes and doesn't come up with the numbers, is in trouble. That's the name of the game today. Either make the numbers or be canned.

Larry

[Mookie]

Ah yes - Barry - one of my favorite people to dislike intensly - but I also know, he and Tom were pretty good friends.

The Big 8 was so good and the Big 12 is so bad. I just hate it. And I am really wondering if poor Frank isn't trying to fill some pretty big shoes and his feet just aren't big enough!

Jen

[Anonymous]

Jen
I understand the feeling, just getting my licks in. For a number of years I had to bite my tongue. When Barry left, the program went to he!! in a hand basket. It was a great series before money started doing all the talking. (The Big 8 and SWC were great).

Larry

[Anonymous]

where do hese facts come from... the whacked out number is most likely in japaneese yen... so it amnounts to less then a dollar american.. ALSO.. I really coudn't be bothered to read that entire post... and yes missour.. i will say you are right when you say nights are dark... yeah they ususally are.. last time i checked there was little to no sun light in north america at night time..
congradulations are your startrling discovery.. now you gotta beat me to the pattents office!

Kev.

[edblysard]

If you mean a Unihead glow in the dark life size sticker, I have been trying, but so far, no luck.
And all these little short slow trains need is for people to open their eyes and look.
Look, Listen and Live.
Appearently the concept is beyond the 4 points you have, or is too complicated for idiot savants' like you.
Now, you stated that the railroad had to be guility, because they paid out $275000.00 to the survivors.
Prove it, we need court transcripts, and a case and cause number, what county and state the trial was in. Back up your ludicrious statements with facts for a change.
And glad you remembered the number 8, but sorry you had to borrow mike's 4 IQ points to do so.
Have you managed to remember your real name yet, and where you left your cajones?. If you ever had a pair? Or has the electroshock treatments not been as effective as you wanted?
The Unihead Ed
The Unihead ED

[JoeKoh]

this is getting real old.Expect a train anywhere anytime.If they would have stopped they would have seen the tankcar unless they were impaired or their headlights were out and they would have lived too.but your report didn't say that did it?
stay safe
joe

[Anonymous]

Many rural, lightly used crossing are gettting gates. Why? Because if they fail the chances of being killed are a lot less. Costs the RRs big bucks if it's proven the gates failed. They would rather kill more people on the main tracks protected by crossbucks and pay the 1/2 million or whatever because the government pretty much has it fixed where they can KILL AT WILL.

All these little short slow trains need are a couple spot lights shineing backwards and half decent sight lines. I know, have like glow in the dark Ed siloutettes with the 8 inch thingy stuck on the forehead under a spot light. And Ed---You can't be a beacon if your light don't shine!

[edblysard]

Wait a minute, first you complains and call us murders, because every single crossing, public and private, with heavy or light train traffic, dosnt have gates and bells, now you are griping because a rural, lightly used crossing is gettting gates?
I would call your too stupid to see your own contridiction, and ask you to make up your mind, but you would have to have one in the first place.
Ed

[Anonymous]

I was trying to find if Jessie James was reincarnated and came back as KDOT in Kansas.

The picture is all "CROOKED" OR Is Jessie James working for KDOT??

The picture---Kyle railroad leaves a DARK railroad tank car parked across a DARK old Highway 40 at night which is DARK. Nights have been proven to be dark for a long time now.

Any 12 year old would know better than to leave a dark railroad tank car across a dark Highway when it is dark but did Kyle railroad figure this out?.

Kyle railroads negligience KILLS Pearl Smith which KYLE railroad proves they were negligient when they paid $275,000 for her death. This $275,000 sure wasn't paid out of the goodness of Kyle railroads heart. If you or I had parked a dark rail car across one of the railroad executives driveways and they were killed going 70 mph when they hit it we would be in jail for negligient homicide. Oh no---Not the railroad---They are ABOVE THE LAW. http://dmses.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm Check out document 6689. These in the railroads pockets FRA people have been STUDYING rail car reflectorization since 1952. The railroad is like we would have to have step ladders and shop towels to stick on reflector tape. Jeez take a Wagoner power paint gun and spray reflector paint as the train is going by there Mr. Railroad robber baron.

But noooo. KDOT turns around and is going to put $150,000 gates (THAT WE PAY FOR) at this 1 train a day with a 25 mph train speed limit which the railroad will make a small fortune in overcharges off the project---10 grand shipping and handling to get the equipment there---10 grand for the design with consists of going to a file cabinet and pulling out the schematic of one of the 10,000 crossings just like it.

Does all that this crossing need is bright street lights or KYLE railroad to pay a couple people to flag the crossing once a day?
Have Kyle trains been hit more than once at night at unlit crossings.

Did Kyle railroad report this collision as being at a "private" crossing to the FRA ...The rail equipment was reported to have been t raveling at ? Mph with 4 locomotive(s) and 36 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a westernly direction at 070 M ph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a private road crossing...Well certainly they did! Do private crossings qualify for Federal or state safety funds? Nope Would these gates do more good where there are 40 or 50 trains a day and the train speed limits are 50/60/70/80 mph? You betcha but the maintenance/operation costs are lower for a one train a day crossing.


=====Accident 26 ===== RR report 0175KS213 ===== Crossing ID 818357D ===== On Jan 22, 1975 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] hit a TRUCK at approximately 6:45AM in Kansas i n DICKINSON county on WILLOW STREET road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to have been traveling at 030 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 113 cars(s). The TRUCK had been traveling in a southernly d irection at ? Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. It was clear, at night and the temperature w as 14. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to hav e not stopped. There were 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 20 ===== RR report 0979KS206 ===== Crossing ID 818367J ===== On Sep 26, 1979 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] hit a CAR at approximately 2:20PM in Kansas in DICKINSON county on COUNTY RD road. The incident was not in a city or town. The rail equipment was reported to have be en traveling at 050 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 31 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a northerly direction at 0 20 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. It was clear, during the day and the tempera ture was 80. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous mat erial was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 10 ===== RR report 0784KS204 ===== Crossing ID 815208S ===== On Jul 14, 1984 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] was hit by a TRUCK at approximately 12:50AM in K ansas in SALINE county on HWY 40 road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to have been traveling at 005 Mph with 3 locomotive(s) and 10 cars(s). The TRUCK had been traveling in an easternly dire ction at 008 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. The TRUCK hit the 010 locomotive or rail car on the crossing. It was clear, at night and the temperature was 80. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 3 ===== RR report 1084KS202 ===== Crossing ID 815207K ===== On Oct 07, 1984 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] was hit by a CAR at approximately 12:40AM in Kan sas in SALINE county on HWY 40 road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to ha ve been traveling at 005 Mph with 3 locomotive(s) and 124 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a northerly direction at 020 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. The CAR hit the 025 locomotive or rail car o n the crossing. It was cloudy, at night and the temperature was 70. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The h ighway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 2 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks, Other devices

=====Accident 4 ===== RR report 0390WH002 ===== Crossing ID 818361T ===== On Mar 09, 1990 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] hit a TRUCK at approximately 10:29PM in Kansas i n DICKINSON county on WALNUT STREET road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to have been traveling at 035 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 107 cars(s). The TRUCK had been traveling in a southernly d irection at 035 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. It was cloudy, at night and the temperature was 68. There were 0 death(s) and 1 injured in this incident and a Railroad Injury/Illness Report (form FRA-55a) wa s also filed. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occupant (s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was obstructed by a permanent structure. The railroad was transporting hazard ous material. The crossing was protected by: Wig wags

=====Accident 8 ===== RR report 0590WH005 ===== Crossing ID 818361T ===== On May 25, 1990 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] hit a TRUCK at approximately 6:20PM in Kansas i n DICKINSON county on WALNUT ST road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to h ave been traveling at 028 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 51 cars(s). The TRUCK had been traveling in a northerly direct ion at 020 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. It was clear, during the day and the tempera ture was 80. There were 0 death(s) and 1 injured in this incident and a Railroad Injury/Illness Report (form FRA-55 a) was also filed. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occ upant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Wig wags, Hwy traffic signals

=====Accident 4 ===== RR report 0891MW001 ===== Crossing ID 815208S ===== On Aug 04, 1991 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] was hit by a CAR at approximately 2:00AM in Kan sas in DICKINSON county on OLD 40 HWY road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reporte d to have been traveling at 005 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 75 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in an easternly d irection at 020 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. The CAR hit the 038 locomotive or rail car o n the crossing. It was raining, at night and the temperature was 65. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 6 ===== RR report 1193MW025 ===== Crossing ID 815208S ===== On Nov 20, 1993 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] was hit by a CAR at approximately 6:45PM in Kan sas in DICKINSON county on OLD 40 road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to have been traveling at 002 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 51 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a westernly direct ion at 055 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. The CAR hit the 001 locomotive or rail car o n the crossing. It was cloudy, at night and the temperature was 58. There were 0 death(s) and 1 injured in this in cident and a Railroad Injury/Illness Report (form FRA-55a) was also filed. The highway user was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstruct ed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 4 ===== RR report 0897WH021 ===== Crossing ID 815208S ===== On Aug 15, 1997 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] was hit by a CAR at approximately 5:10AM in Kan sas in DICKINSON county on OLD HWY 40 road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reporte d to have been traveling at 005 Mph with 1 locomotive(s) and 115 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a westernly di rection at 001 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. The CAR hit the 014 locomotive or rail car o n the crossing. It was clear, at night and the temperature was 75. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The mal e driver was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle. T he view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 6 ===== RR report 00042202 ===== Crossing ID 815219E ===== On Apr 21, 2000 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Kyle RR Co. [KYLE] was hit by a CAR at approximately 11:50PM in Kansas in OT TAWA county on ARROWHEAD RD road. The incident occurred in/near NILES city. The rail equipment was reported to have be en traveling at 010 Mph with 4 locomotive(s) and 85 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in an easternly direction at 040 Mph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing. The CAR hit the 060 locomotive or rail car o n the crossing. It was clear, at night and the temperature was 45. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The 46 year old male driver was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 0 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway veh icle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 3 ===== RR report 06190001 ===== Crossing ID 815209Y ===== On Jun 19, 2000 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Kyle RR Co. [KYLE] was hit by a CAR at approximately 12:05AM in Kansas in SA LINE county on HWY 40 road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to have been t raveling at ? Mph with 4 locomotive(s) and 36 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a westernly direction at 070 M ph. The railroad was operating on main line track over a private road crossing. The CAR hit the 009 locomotive or rail car on the crossing. It was clear, at night and the temperature was 70. There were 1 death(s) and 0 injured in this in cident and a Railroad Injury/Illness Report (form FRA-55a) was also filed. The 18 year old female driver was moving on the crossing and was reported to have not stopped. There were 0 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: Crossbucks

=====Accident 1 ===== RR report 0801DV002 ===== Crossing ID 818355P ===== On Aug 03, 2001 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by Union Pacific RR Co. [UP ] hit a CAR at approximately 7:20AM in Kansas in DICKINSON county on HWY 40 road. The incident occurred in/near SOLOMON city. The rail equipment was reported to have b een traveling at 020 Mph with 2 locomotive(s) and 104 cars(s). The CAR had been traveling in a southernly direction. The railroad was operating on main line track over a private road crossing. It was clear, at dawn and the temperature w as 80. There were no reported deaths or injuries. The 19 year old male driver was stalled on the crossing and was repo rted to have stopped on crossing. There were 0 occupant(s) in the vehicle. The view of the track was not obstructed. Hazardous material was not being transported by rail or highway vehicle. The crossing was protected by: No crossing protection


Solomon railroad crossing to receive signals
Ericka Werling
News Editor
Published July 03, 2003 3:25 PM CDT

SOLOMON--Floyd Danner has spent a lot of money and a lot of tears waiting for a signalization to be installed at a railroad crossing on old Highway 40 west of Solomon.

Danner, 615 S.W. Third St., recently found out that the state has agreed to place signals at the crossing where his granddaughter, Pearl Smith, was killed three years ago.

"I can't begin to tell you how I feel about this," he said.

Smith, who was 18 at the time of the accident, was killed when the car she was driving impacted a stopped tanker car at midnight.

Only crossbucks mark the site.

Stan Whitley, information specialist with the Kansas Department of Transportation, said reflective crossbucks, flashing lights and gates will be installed between October of 2003 and 2004, at a cost of $150,000.

Whitley said only that the crossing had been bumped up because of a review of a formula used to rate crossings for signalization. The review bumped the crossing into the top 20 percent of dangerous crossings.

A site visit by representatives of the Kansas Department of Transportation, Kyle Railroad and Saline County was on June 11.

The Union Pacific line is leased by Kyle Railroad, based in Phillipsburg.

Danner said that Kyle representatives have talked about removing the eastern most crossing at the site because it is not used. A Kyle representative could not be reached for comment about that issue.

Danner said that after his granddaughter was killed he and Smith's father, Chris Smith, began a petition to have the crossing signaled. Danner said 700 people signed their names, but that the petition was never presented to Kyle.

The family received a $275,000 settlement a year after the fatality. At the time of the settlement, Danner wondered why the railroad couldn't have used that money to upgrade the crossing before the fatality occurred.

[Anonymous]

LOL YEAH!

Hey missouri... what are you doing right now..

darn, is that sentance too complicated?

WHAT.. YOU... DO... NOW?

Kev.

[Mookie]

Hi Kev - I was afraid you were going to pop a cork as we say - you were a little upset with Cabforward! You shouldn't let this get to you - we still will talk to you and enjoy having you post things.

Missouri didn't make any joke - I won't be obvious and say he is one, because I am sure everyone beat me to that. But I am trying to have a little dialogue with Missouri - maybe 2-3 sentences at a time. Something we can try to talk about on a common ground! It will probably bore him so bad, he will leave! :)

Jen

[Mookie]

just wait - I am biding my time....we shall be back!

Jen

[Anonymous]

Jen,
You can't confuse a Boomer Sooner and a Husker!
Boomer Sooner for ever! Enjoy

Larry

[Anonymous]

I don't get missouris Joke

[Mookie]

Ah - that is probably like confusing the Sooners and the Huskers. Sorry Gerald!

Thanx Joe

Jen

[JoeKoh]

Tim
tell me when its said and done.There is only 1 game a year and it comes in november and its up north this year.
stay safe
joe

[Anonymous]

Joe, I hope Matt does not get to upset when PENN STATE takes it all this year. In fact every Saturday morning we burn the Ohio State and Michigan football flags to pay homage to Joe Paterno and his NITTANY LIONS.
TIMOTHY ARGUBRIGHT
(Only 4 more weeks till the start
of the season)

[JoeKoh]

Jen
don't make him mad!!!!He is from michigan state university the other one is michigan university that is in ann arbor.But matt and I are OHIO STATE BUCKEYES!!!!
stay safe
joe