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Posted by cogloadreturns on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:20 PM

I have actually signalled the "special train". However it would entail instant death to spill details.

It used to visit places like Llandod on the Heart of Wales which BR was ever threatening to close so thumbs up there.

Back O?T - apparently Farce Group have been poleaxed from the bidding for the Cross Country Franchise. So there is a huge sigh of relief all round. Virgin/Stagecoach favourites then?  

 

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Posted by mhurley87f on Monday, May 14, 2007 7:18 AM

Still on the Royal Train -  

Back when Peter Parker was Chairman of British Rail, and trumpeting the "crumbling edge of quality" phrase to try to get the Govt of the day to stump up a bit more for track renewal, I must admit that it was always heartening to read that Charles was regularly using the Royal Train to reach destinations on lines that the general public had been led to believe were served by clapped out and potentially dangerous routes.

Good for him, I say. 

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Posted by John Bakeer on Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:28 AM

Still on Royal Trains,

I have MSTS and on a programme 'Scottish Central' there is an activity 'Royal Train'. I drive EWS 37410 with members of the Belgian RF from Rosyth to Edinburgh Waverley, where they continue on a tour of Scotland. In this activity the 37 is pulled off a Fort William service that has just terminated.

Most MSTS activities are based on actual routes and journies, and as far as I can find the above took place in the real world. 

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Posted by MStLfan on Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:32 AM

In the Netherlands we are down to one carriage, a century ago it was 5. The current one does not see much service, mostly it is seen on testruns. It was build in the mid eighties and is based on a first class carriage of the ICR type.

These days our queen goes by car or for longer distances in our country she uses a Royal Netherlands Airforce helicopter and then her special and luxurious VIP bus. Many heads of state and other visiting foreign dignitaries were surprised the first time they were asked to take the bus but now they are used to it (I wonder if this is the reason we do not see the British queen?). The first bus is now in a museum as is at least one of the two carriages of the previous royal train.

Members of the royal family are sometimes travelling by special train because of some event or other. I think our crown prince, Willem Alexeander, travelled with the athletes from the Turin winter olympics back home by special train.

For pictures of the Dutch royal train, royal waiting rooms and some pictures of other royal trains see this link: http://www.nicospilt.com/hoogheid.htm.

Unfortunately, the text is only in dutch. Contact me or better yet, Nico Spilt himslef for a translation if necessary.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, May 11, 2007 6:53 PM
 cogloadreturns wrote:

The Royal Train is kept at Wolverton and is not solely for the use of the Royal Family, in fact only the Monarch and the heir apparent use the facility. The Glorious Leader has also used it,. visiting heads of state use it and the Glorious Leader's wife also borrowed it on one occasion.

........................................................... look at what the "Regal" President of France has at his/her disposal. And believe me, everything stops when [they] run!

  cogload  I'm once again finding myself translating from British to American.Laugh [(-D]  I take it the characters you're speaking of are Blair,The Queen, and Prince Charles?

     It appears to me, that the new French President could hop on a train, and come visit the new British Prime Minister.  That would make for an interesting news event.

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Posted by Simon Reed on Friday, May 11, 2007 6:22 PM

I thought that Wolverton had been sold and flattened.

Perhaps Our Glorious Leader can use it on his farewell tour. I'm not going to speculate upon it's future use by Glorious Leaders because I can remember how much we were all expecting Prime Minister Heseltine in 1990.

If our privatised rail system is - as alledged - the envy of the world why can't the visiting top brass travel on that....   

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Posted by cogloadreturns on Friday, May 11, 2007 5:42 PM

The Royal Train is kept at Wolverton and is not solely for the use of the Royal Family, in fact only the Monarch and the heir apparent use the facility. The Glorious Leader has also used it,. visiting heads of state use it and the Glorious Leader's wife also borrowed it on one occasion.

I am not sure how the train is paid for, but I think it comes out of the general fund which is paid by the Treasury to keep the "royal infrastructure" up each year. Ir is acknowledged as being one of the safeest and most secure ways of keeping the Head of State moving and is first on the timing graph when running. Remember, whether you like the current system or not, most countries have their own planes, ships, trains and the like for their Heads of State to travel in. Very handy when discussing high diplomacy. If you do not believe me, look at what the "Regal" President of France has at his/her disposal. And believe me, everything stops when [they] run!

If you believe in having a Head of State then there is an image to project. We always whinge about the "value to the taxpayer" - well on occasions the adage of knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing springs to mind.

 

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Posted by Simon Reed on Friday, May 11, 2007 2:36 PM

I'm also not sure where the Royal Train is kept these days but yes, as John says, perhaps I should be told because I'm paying for it out of my taxes!

The Royal Train is just that - a five or six car train for the exclusive use of the royal family. It uses the bodyshells and trucks of standard BR built Mk. 3 passengers cars but other than that every fitting is custom-made.

I think even the most ardent Royalist would have to question it's continued existance. It seems to be used very little these days (possibly because of security concerns - I don't know) and must cost a fortune to operate.

I wonder what would happen if EWS/Network Rail were asked to provide a path for it over a capacity route at peak time?     

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Posted by Tulyar15 on Friday, May 11, 2007 1:41 AM
In Ireland, Iarnrod Eireann has a Presidential car, like our Royal Train, a converted BR Mk 3 coach. If the Irish President uses it to travel on official business it is sometimes attached to a scheduled train.

Still some of our royals travel by scheduled trains. I gather Princess Anne does quite regularly with just one bodyguard. I remember one occassion back in the 1980's when Prince Charles and Princess Di travelled on a scheduled train from London to Coventry. They had originally planned to fly but fog prevented this so they caught the next train from Euston. They travelled in a 1st class car from which the public were asked to move.
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Posted by John Bakeer on Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:34 PM

Murphy,

We do have a dedicated royal train, I'm not sure where it is stored/maintained but when it is out on the line power is usually hired from one of the private operating companies; EWS class 37s usually in pairs.

The RAF until recently had a Royal Flight, but this was disbanded on the grounds of economy. They either hire an aircraft or take space on a sceduled service as needed.

The royal Yacht 'Britannia' was retired some years ago and is now a floating museum. The Navy or a wealthy friend provide seagoing accommodation when required.

Guess who pays????????-Muggins, the pleb.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:03 PM
     I see the Queen over here, be-bopping around the U.S and such.  In the past, I know British Royalty had their own private cars, and perhaps private trains.  Queen Victoria comes to mind.  Do any of the Royals have anything to do with trains anymore in Great Britain?

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Posted by Tulyar15 on Wednesday, May 9, 2007 1:52 AM
Meanwhile, I went to Didcot for the Great Western Society's gala on Sunday. Whilst I was disappointed that neitehr of the non-GWR guest tender locos showed up (originally Southern 4-6-0 "Lord Nelson" and LNER 4-4-0 "Morayshire" were due to be there) I enjoyed seeing the variety of pre-grouping Welsh tank engines there. I saw (and was hauled by) the Taff Vale 0-6-2T that was visiting from the Keighley & Worth Valley.

Meanwhile, on the "real" railway, fans of classic British diesel were treated to the following Brush products - 60 054 "Charles Babbage" on an engineering works train, two GW 47/57's hauling sleeping cars and two Yellow Network Rail 31's top and tailing a track inspection train.
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Posted by cogloadreturns on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:39 PM
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Posted by John Bakeer on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 3:39 AM

Going to Edinburgh in the next few weeks, hope to find out more about light rail etc.

 

Did about 500 miles around Derbyshire, Cheshire and the West Riding over the weekend used just over 9 gallons, just goes to show how technology has advanced, I think we did nearly 80 on the M1. It may only be a Honda, but at least it was made in Swindon. Had a Daimler Sovereign for a time in the 70s, damn near bankrupted me, 8mpg or thereabouts. Talk about a rocket ship, never found out how quick it was, the fuel gauge went down faster than the speedo went up! Swopped it for a Cortina that did a whopping 30mpg.

 

Talking of loco' works, an acquaintance from over the pond says he has heard that another long established UK builder/restorer of steam locomotives is to close after completing the current project. Can anyone enlighten me/us.

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Posted by Simon Reed on Monday, May 7, 2007 4:01 PM

Sometimes I feel like that too...

I'm wondering how strong the SNP resolve might be. We really could do with a Scottish subscriber on here.

As I've previously suggested the Edinburgh Airport scheme seems to me an unneccessary expenditure - but it's not my money - whilst I understand the Edinburgh light rail system to be pretty much a Fait Accomplis already. (Pardon my French.)

The good citizens of Edinburgh seem to be pretty much behind the light rail scheme from what I understand. The SNP may yet be diluted by the Lib Dems which would suggest a pro-light-rail stance.

The Jensen Interceptor - well it's a 1968 Mk I., and you can read more about them here:-

http://www.british-steel.org/

It actually handles better than the Alfa Romeo GTV that we traded in for it, and it's scarily fast but it gets through fuel at a horrendous rate - went to Whitby this weekend which is a 200 mile round trip and it's drunk about 18 gallons.

Mind you hitting 131 on the A1 did'nt help....felt like 60 in the Suzuki.  

    

   

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Posted by John Bakeer on Monday, May 7, 2007 1:22 PM

Will half a dozen do?

All rather confusing really!

 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, May 7, 2007 9:15 AM
     Maybe the 3:423 A.M. posting time provides some sort of clue to understanding  what it's supposed to mean?Wink [;)]

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Posted by cogloadreturns on Monday, May 7, 2007 9:05 AM
Eh?
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Posted by snagletooth on Monday, May 7, 2007 3:42 AM
 John Bakeer wrote:

The Scottish election has finished up a right mess. With four differing electoral processes, how do they expect stability, The Americans have it right with a federal government and a reasonable amount of autonomy for the states. If the UK had that plus PR, we might have a proper democracy? Our politics are as bad as our transport system, Servants of the public in name only.

 

OOPPSS.Sign - Dots [#dots]No doubt. Sorry to hear, nonoubt. There is no autonomity here, right! supposed, by rights, no doubt. but two party aint noting but two worthless idiotes, no less. we spent alot, being children of , but it ain't worken, no less. If everyone buy up, betta be the brit, no less, RIGHT? I'm a child of of all. better that thatway, I say. Democracy is not real. Just a real proper joke, I say. it's all tory/repub. and soc/Labor, right? non want what we really need, just a vote, proper, shite. Worthless!!
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Posted by John Bakeer on Monday, May 7, 2007 3:27 AM

The Scottish election has finished up a right mess. With four differing electoral processes, how do they expect stability, The Americans have it right with a federal government and a reasonable amount of autonomy for the states. If the UK had that plus PR, we might have a proper democracy? Our politics are as bad as our transport system, Servants of the public in name only.

 

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Posted by snagletooth on Sunday, May 6, 2007 4:42 PM
 cogloadreturns wrote:

Well the outcome of the Scottish elections may see the Edinburgh Tram and Airport Rail Link projects in some doubt. However as the SNP have no working majority they may yet be saved.

Interesting to see what happens in England now.

I hate to bust in and a little of topic, but I read on the BBC news site that the Scottish elections might get overturned. And that (don't remember his name right now) the guy in England set to take over from Blair is a SNP member and is trying to distance himself from the party. Sounds like it's not exactly set in stone, yet.

 UK-free Scotland. The ghost of Wallace rides again?

   

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Posted by cogloadreturns on Sunday, May 6, 2007 4:31 PM

Well the outcome of the Scottish elections may see the Edinburgh Tram and Airport Rail Link projects in some doubt. However as the SNP have no working majority they may yet be saved.

Interesting to see what happens in England now.

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Posted by mhurley87f on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:39 AM

 Tulyar15 wrote:
 Simon Reed wrote:

As a nation we appear to have lost the ability to satisfactorily budget for cost and time on big projects, and their impact. The projected cost of the 2012 Olympic Games appears to be spiralling beyond control, for instance. I understand that the WCML quadrupling, which was once on time and budget, has taken a major lurch into the red recently. 


Not entirely! Channel Tunnel Rail Link (CTRL) Phase 1 was completed on time and in budget and Phase 2 looks like it will be completed on time in November - too bad it wont' be ready for the Rugby World Cup in France.

As an aside I travelled to Bedford this weekend and so saw the state of play at London St. Pancras. It's looking good so keep your fingers crossed.

 

The UK's Rail Contractors seem able to continue to deliver on-time/on-budget in the case of green field projects, but Route Modernisation Works on active main lines has become too difficult through Health & Safety considerations (I often wonder whether we're all becoming just a bit too Risk Averse) and the "balkanisation" of the Railway family into a plethora of various businees units, many of whom have wildly differing objectives and goals.

Sorry to hark back to the Thatcher years (I'm no Tory supporter, I can assure you), but in those years we did get the East Coast Mainline, East and West Anglia, Edinburgh-Carstairs, and Glasgow-Ayr (if I've overlooked any, please feel free to chip in) Electrification schemes approved, installed, and commisioned with hardly a hiccup. All on-time and all on-budget. But the key difference was that everyone was on the same side in those days.

From the Welsh perspective, Network Rail's failure to complete the Ebbw Valley refurbishment beggars belief.

 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:42 AM
 John Bakeer wrote:

Murphy,

A Jensen Interceptor is an iconic sports car from the 60s(?), its only outstanding feature I recall was the odd wrap round rear window and its use by a screen detective of the time who's name escapes me. Simon has a rare find.

 

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Posted by John Bakeer on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:48 AM

Murphy,

A Jensen Interceptor is an iconic sports car from the 60s(?), its only outstanding feature I recall was the odd wrap round rear window and its use by a screen detective of the time who's name escapes me. Simon has a rare find.

 

I spent fifty years in the construction industry, I had a saying "there isn't a contract that can't be broken". opposed to breached.) 

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Posted by Tulyar15 on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:38 AM
 Simon Reed wrote:

As a nation we appear to have lost the ability to satisfactorily budget for cost and time on big projects, and their impact. The projected cost of the 2012 Olympic Games appears to be spiralling beyond control, for instance. I understand that the WCML quadrupling, which was once on time and budget, has taken a major lurch into the red recently. 


Not entirely! Channel Tunnel Rail Link (CTRL) Phase 1 was completed on time and in budget and Phase 2 looks like it will be completed on time in November - too bad it wont' be ready for the Rugby World Cup in France.

As an aside I travelled to Bedford this weekend and so saw the state of play at London St. Pancras. It's looking good so keep your fingers crossed.
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Posted by cogloadreturns on Monday, April 16, 2007 6:08 PM

murphy....not really. The contracts are let on a long term basis to lock in various suppliers though I am sure that penalty clauses abound. I think Siemans are going to get a bashing for this as at Portsmouth they have reintroduced absolute block working from a signalbox which closed in 1964 complete with block instruments, bells and levers...Big Smile [:D]

Basingstoke part 1 was handed back on time this morning though there will still be disruption for a few weeks to come. PT is an utter, utter mess and fiasco.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, April 16, 2007 12:10 PM

     Don't they issue contracts with a reward/penalty for early/late completion?

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Posted by John Bakeer on Monday, April 16, 2007 3:32 AM
I have a four year old copy of Trains with an article on a ten day possession in which an entire 250 mile subdivision was completely re-built including dozens of structures (bridges, tunnels etc.), an acquaintance of mine who works for one of the MOW companies informs me that almost the first two hours of every shift is taken up with safety procedures/documentation. By the time they actually start work they have pretty well lost interest.

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Posted by Simon Reed on Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 AM

Last month's Trains magazine carried an excellent article on the BNSF Transcon through New Mexico and the steps that are being taken to improve capacity.

I think we can be fairly sure that throughout the extensive works BNSF did not simply slap a blockade on the route and say "Well sorry, Fellas, but we can't run trains until we're done, which might be tomorrow or a week next Thursday."

The 2000/2001 remodelling of Leeds - admittedly a big job - went 14 weeks (over 50%) beyond it's estimated and allocated time.

As a nation we appear to have lost the ability to satisfactorily budget for cost and time on big projects, and their impact. The projected cost of the 2012 Olympic Games appears to be spiralling beyond control, for instance. I understand that the WCML quadrupling, which was once on time and budget, has taken a major lurch into the red recently. 

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