Religious fanatics

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper

For most religious people, the Genesis creation story has moral messages and is to be interpreted in manners that meet at least half way with modern science. Remember that modern science still includes various opinions about the original creation, big bang or whatever, about mutliple universes, etc. Similarly, each of the three religions have gobs of interpretive books that add lots of additional views and information to the basic creation story.

As a distraction from Latin in high school, our Latin teacher went over a little theology. It was the best thing I got out of that class. It's been 35 years so the memory is a bit rusty, but:

Amazing as it may seem, virtually all past and present belief systems around our world (including the scientific, although it doesn't get into any supreme beings) have similar stories about the creation of the Earth. In the beginning, there was nothing. Then there was something. At some point a supreme being is introduced (if he wasn't there in the beginning - and most of them are depicted as male), and things progress from there. Specifics depend on the focus of the society.

Most legends have a thread of truth in them.

As for the "Big Bang," the term was coined by a scholar who didn't believe it happened. He was using it in a derogatory sense. He believed that the universe is infinite in space and time (as do I). We'll never find the end of it because we can't see that far. That doesn't mean there was no "big bang," only that it wasn't the only one, with nothing in existence before it happened.

I have no problem with anyone believing what they want, as long as they don't encroach on my life in doing so. In return, I'll do the same.

[gabe]

In the beginning there was the B&O. Commerce looked at the B&O and decided it was good.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to talk about the concept of the original sin of corporate raiders and how they were punished with the Granger railraods.

Perhaps the story about how the libertarians divided the "ICC" and allowed the railroads to walk through to the promised land of deregulation and the walls came crashing in as truckers attempted to follow?

Gabe

[tree68]

Gabe - Everybody is blowing of a little steam. It'll pass and we'll be discussing arcane railroad subjects again...

[Anonymous]

Go Gabe.. I am all ears.


Come to think of it... I thought this was a railroad forum?

Even thou I shall walk in the valley of Pennsy, I shall fear no diesel.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

In the beginning there was the B&O. Commerce looked at the B&O and decided it was good.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to talk about the concept of the original sin of corporate raiders and how they were punished with the Granger railraods.

Perhaps the story about how the libertarians divided the "ICC" and allowed the railroads to walk through to the promised land of deregulation and the walls came crashing in as truckers attempted to follow?

Gabe

Hehe, as Edwin Gould said to Samuel Fordyce on October 31 1898: "Forgive my Father, he knows not what he has done".....[8]

[tatans]

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss that's the sound of the fuse burning before this whole forum explodes with every reply getting just a little wilder than the one before, now you know how most wars were started over religion, scarey eh? ( I guess those were the "good wars") as you can see this forum will never end.

[Anonymous]

Are we done yet?[:D]

[Anonymous]

I think you right fellas, Lets set this one out for a while, the subject is tending to be; -------- a little over heated

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

In the beginning there was the B&O. Commerce looked at the B&O and decided it was good.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to talk about the concept of the original sin of corporate raiders and how they were punished with the Granger railraods.

Perhaps the story about how the libertarians divided the "ICC" and allowed the railroads to walk through to the promised land of deregulation and the walls came crashing in as truckers attempted to follow?

Gabe

Are you going to get to the part about resting on the seventh day......so Penn Central was formed?

And how about the part where UP offers MP a bite of apple....

[edblysard]

I thought MP was the part about the snake,
and SP was the part about the apple?

Or was Katy the snake part?

[:D]

[rich747us]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

In the beginning there was the B&O. Commerce looked at the B&O and decided it was good.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to talk about the concept of the original sin of corporate raiders and how they were punished with the Granger railraods.

Perhaps the story about how the libertarians divided the "ICC" and allowed the railroads to walk through to the promised land of deregulation and the walls came crashing in as truckers attempted to follow?

Gabe

Are you going to get to the part about resting on the seventh day......so Penn Central was formed?

And how about the part where UP offers MP a bite of apple....

What about the story of the building of the Arc? The arc better known as the Big New Santa Fe? Ummm...er....I mean, Burlington Northern Santa Fe LOL [:D]

[n2mopac]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

So, quertion to the religiously inclined,...what are you gonna do when life is discovered on some other planet??

The book of genesis is pretty specific about earth being the sole gig in the heavens,...so how wiill you explain that away? [}:)]

Perhaps you should actually READ the book of Genesis and point this out to us, because as one with a Masters degree in theology I am certain that Genesis is completely silent on what may or may not be on other planets. Personally, I have serious doubts that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, but I certainly do not discount the possibility and if it were to be discovered it would not shake my faith in God in the least. If He could create life on this planet, why could He no do so on another as well???

Ron

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

I thought MP was the part about the snake,
and SP was the part about the apple?

Or was Katy the snake part?

[:D]

So asks Miss Katy....

Is that a branch line in your pocket or are you just happy to see me???[}:)]

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rich747us

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

In the beginning there was the B&O. Commerce looked at the B&O and decided it was good.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to talk about the concept of the original sin of corporate raiders and how they were punished with the Granger railraods.

Perhaps the story about how the libertarians divided the "ICC" and allowed the railroads to walk through to the promised land of deregulation and the walls came crashing in as truckers attempted to follow?

Gabe

Are you going to get to the part about resting on the seventh day......so Penn Central was formed?

And how about the part where UP offers MP a bite of apple....

What about the story of the building of the Arc? The arc better known as the Big New Santa Fe? Ummm...er....I mean, Burlington Northern Santa Fe LOL [:D]

Yeah!....the whole big rain thing....NOAA's ark

and wasn't that the original concept of MUing....

[n2mopac]

First, I'm not sure what we generally mean here by "religious fanatic." If you mean the type of "religion" that promotes violence under the heading, "believe as I do or die," Then I believe there is no place for that in the world. That gives God a bad name under any regligious heading. These people, however, make up less than 1/2% of any religion I am aware of in the world.

If, however, we mean a person of deep religious conviction or one who is theologically conservative, then I must point out a couple of things. First, has anyone noticed that while this thread has contained numerous rantings agains religious people, there have been virtually no responses by people defending religious expression. I find this interesting. I believe it is evidence of a great paranoya that exists in American culture by non-religious people that seem to believe that there is a religious conservative lurking around the corner waiting to pounce on them.

I also must say, speaking as a theological conservative myself and coming from a family, community, and religious background of conservatives, that I would venture to gress that most of those ranting about the attempted oppression by religious people of the non-religious world have never personally know or perhaps even met a real religious conservative themselves. They express only a view of religious people as it is distorted and twisted my the media and the extreme opinions of those who seek to destroy religious conservativism. I think we all know how accurate such depicitons of any person or group can be. The descriptions and accusations I see and here even in this thread bear little or no resemblance to the people I know and love now and throughout my lifetime. I say, if you're going to rant, get some first-hand knowledge of what you're talking about first.

Ron

P.S. Has anyone botherd to notice that the originator of this post has never bothered to chime in again. And has anyone bothered to go back and look for the alleged "gospel preaching" that he accused others of. I went searching and I could find NONE. Y'all who so hate to discuss "religion" but have chimed into this thread have been had. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you.

[rich747us]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by rich747us

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

In the beginning there was the B&O. Commerce looked at the B&O and decided it was good.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to talk about the concept of the original sin of corporate raiders and how they were punished with the Granger railraods.

Perhaps the story about how the libertarians divided the "ICC" and allowed the railroads to walk through to the promised land of deregulation and the walls came crashing in as truckers attempted to follow?

Gabe

Are you going to get to the part about resting on the seventh day......so Penn Central was formed?

And how about the part where UP offers MP a bite of apple....

What about the story of the building of the Arc? The arc better known as the Big New Santa Fe? Ummm...er....I mean, Burlington Northern Santa Fe LOL [:D]

Yeah!....the whole big rain thing....NOAA's ark

and wasn't that the original concept of MUing....

Oh, and lets not forget the story of CSX's King Herod......uhh...I mean, John Snow! [(-D]

[rich747us]

OH COOL! I GOT MY SECOND STAR WITH THAT LAST POST! WOO-HOO! [:D]

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rich747us

OH COOL! I GOT MY SECOND STAR WITH THAT LAST POST! WOO-HOO! [:D]

Praise be to (enter the deity of choice here)!!!!

[dharmon]

The inquistion..
....here we go.....
....the inquisition ....
....what a show.......

chime in if you know this one......

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n2mopac

P.S. Has anyone botherd to notice that the originator of this post has never bothered to chime in again. And has anyone bothered to go back and look for the alleged "gospel preaching" that he accused others of. I went searching and I could find NONE. Y'all who so hate to discuss "religion" but have chimed into this thread have been had. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Yes....I think several folks have recognized this.....

he was trolling, trolling, trolling...

I'm feeling a bit musical today.....

[chad thomas]

I also noted he didn't post his e-mail, and has no info in his bio (big suprise eh') [8D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n2mopac

First, I'm not sure what we generally mean here by "religious fanatic." If you mean the type of "religion" that promotes violence under the heading, "believe as I do or die," Then I believe there is no place for that in the world. That gives God a bad name under any regligious heading. These people, however, make up less than 1/2% of any religion I am aware of in the world.

If, however, we mean a person of deep religious conviction or one who is theologically conservative, then I must point out a couple of things. First, has anyone noticed that while this thread has contained numerous rantings agains religious people, there have been virtually no responses by people defending religious expression. I find this interesting. I believe it is evidence of a great paranoya that exists in American culture by non-religious people that seem to believe that there is a religious conservative lurking around the corner waiting to pounce on them.

I also must say, speaking as a theological conservative myself and coming from a family, community, and religious background of conservatives, that I would venture to gress that most of those ranting about the attempted oppression by religious people of the non-religious world have never personally know or perhaps even met a real religious conservative themselves. They express only a view of religious people as it is distorted and twisted my the media and the extreme opinions of those who seek to destroy religious conservativism. I think we all know how accurate such depicitons of any person or group can be. The descriptions and accusations I see and here even in this thread bear little or no resemblance to the people I know and love now and throughout my lifetime. I say, if you're going to rant, get some first-hand knowledge of what you're talking about first.

Ron

P.S. Has anyone botherd to notice that the originator of this post has never bothered to chime in again. And has anyone bothered to go back and look for the alleged "gospel preaching" that he accused others of. I went searching and I could find NONE. Y'all who so hate to discuss "religion" but have chimed into this thread have been had. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you.

There is an entry on freedom: ref. establishment clause U.S. Constitution Bill of Rights Admendment I. Mr. Moderator, please let there be order in the Session Room - PL.

[chad thomas]

trolling, trolling, trolling...keep those doggies trolling..rawhide
Sorry.
I feel ya'

Oh Oh..I just noticed my next post will be 666. Does this mean something?
Could this be a sign?

Just kidding.

But it does remind me of the time I was chasing ATSF 666 along old 66 in Arizona (now SR 666) in my 66' chevy truck (build date 6/66).
No kidding, this really happened. Made me nervous for a minuet. [8D]

[edblysard]

Think ya can get Clint to play the part of the troll?[:D]

[Hugh Jampton]

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUSITION!!!!

[Anonymous]

It is hard to find intelligent life on this planet much less on any others. [:o)]

[IRONROOSTER]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nuclearwinter

It is hard to find intelligent life on this planet much less on any others. [:o)]

[(-D]

Enjoy
Paul

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n2mopac

Originally posted by TheAntiGates



Perhaps you should actually READ the book of Genesis and point this out to us, because as one with a Masters degree in theology I am certain that Genesis is completely silent on what may or may not be on other planets.

Ron

Well, *that* is exactly the point!

Genesis is very clear about what he did create and what he didn't... And it doesn't say he created planets around the other stars, and it says he created life on earth..

All it mentions of an extraterrestrial nature is the stars, sun, and moon, supposedly set in the "firmament" of the heavens.. So while we are at it, just what is this "firmament of the heavens"? Is that the body that the sun is "stuck" to? rofl!

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