EuclidIt seems to me there are three different distinctions within this topic: 1) Biological research having nothing to do with military weapon applications. In other words, bio labs researching medicines and vaccines for fighting disease. 2) Biological research into dangerous pathogens and to explore how they may be used in biological weapons of war. Here, the potential for such research could be to use it for either the creation of biological weapons, the defense against them, or both. 3) The research and manufacture of biological weapons. It seems to me that the actual verified facts are related to item #2. If so, there may not be any illegality or controversy to this at all. It would depend on the laws pertaining to such research. #2 would also explain Victoria Nuland’s concern that the biological materials in the labs might end up in Russian hands, a concern that would be unlikely if the labs are related to item #1. There is no evidence that these labs were actually manufacturing agent for use in chemical weapons. However, it seems to me that the discovery of these labs in the context of a war would be at least highly significant. Apparently, it was Russia that first broke the news of the labs, and they did so under the, at least, the implied premise that the U.S. was conducting research to develop agents for use in chemical weapons, or even manufacturing them. I perceive a lot of the response to this news to be denial that any of the three items above are true. And out of this denial has come the allegation that Russia made up the whole story to use as a false flag to cover up their plans to actually use chemical weapons to win the war in Ukraine. In other words, Russia will attack with chemical weapons and claim that that the Ukrainians did it. So, under this theory, the Ukrainian labs, allegedly found, will be the source of the weapons Ukraine will use against Russia in Ukraine. Therefore the allegations for the existence of these labs will set the stage for making it believable that Ukraine used chemical weapons, when it will actually be the Russians who will have used them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lUt6DMfrBgIt was crystal clear it was the first instance labs related to civilian pathogens and it was made even clearer if you listened to Senator Warners remarks How you got this all messed up in your head is anyones guess no matter because some on FOX News are confused as well recommend you review the CSPAN coverage
PsychotOne of the more fascinating developments in U.S. politics in recent years is the emergence of Putin sympathizers/apologists on the right. This phenomenon has been prevalent in Europe for some years now, as far-right parties in Austria, Germany, Hungary, France, and other countries have been unabashed in their fawning over Putin. In 2016, these sentiments gained a foothold in the GOP mainstream, led by the Putin-Sympathizer-in-Chief; one of many reasons that Ronald Reagan is undoubtedly rolling over in his grave. Thankfully, the traditional Reaganites in the GOP have the upper hand -- at least for the moment -- and the Putin fanboys and -girls have been marginalized.
You can start with the former SPD Chancellor of Germany.
BaltACD tree68 BaltACD ANYONE loving Putin can not be a patriot of the USA. Alas, with reports of of US involved bio labs in the Ukraine (following on to China and the "Rona") and stories of corruption involving the Ukraine and certain higher-ups in this country, not to mention corruption in the Ukraine, it's not hard to imagine that people could feel that way. It is equally easy for them to be viewed as traitors to the USA. The 'Alternative Fact' movement is the home for traitors. Putin is 'alternative facts' in person - all lies all the time.
tree68 BaltACD ANYONE loving Putin can not be a patriot of the USA. Alas, with reports of of US involved bio labs in the Ukraine (following on to China and the "Rona") and stories of corruption involving the Ukraine and certain higher-ups in this country, not to mention corruption in the Ukraine, it's not hard to imagine that people could feel that way.
BaltACD ANYONE loving Putin can not be a patriot of the USA.
Alas, with reports of of US involved bio labs in the Ukraine (following on to China and the "Rona") and stories of corruption involving the Ukraine and certain higher-ups in this country, not to mention corruption in the Ukraine, it's not hard to imagine that people could feel that way.
It is equally easy for them to be viewed as traitors to the USA. The 'Alternative Fact' movement is the home for traitors. Putin is 'alternative facts' in person - all lies all the time.
One of the more fascinating developments in U.S. politics in recent years is the emergence of Putin sympathizers/apologists on the right. This phenomenon has been prevalent in Europe for some years now, as far-right parties in Austria, Germany, Hungary, France, and other countries have been unabashed in their fawning over Putin. In 2016, these sentiments gained a foothold in the GOP mainstream, led by the Putin-Sympathizer-in-Chief; one of many reasons that Ronald Reagan is undoubtedly rolling over in his grave.
Thankfully, the traditional Reaganites in the GOP have the upper hand -- at least for the moment -- and the Putin fanboys and -girls have been marginalized.
I believe that #2 is correct. I've also read (can't find it now), that the reason the Russians knew about the labs is that they were former Soviet labs.
CMStPnPThe exchange between herself [Victoria Nuland] and Marco Rubio was clarifying they were regular medical research labs that every country has to research infectious biological agents and have nothing to do with biological warfare
1) Biological research having nothing to do with military weapon applications. In other words, bio labs researching medicines and vaccines for fighting disease.
2) Biological research into dangerous pathogens and to explore how they may be used in biological weapons of war. Here, the potential for such research could be to use it for either the creation of biological weapons, the defense against them, or both.
3) The research and manufacture of biological weapons.
lol... if nothing else, this post is proof that Russian propaganda does work.
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BaltACDANYONE loving Putin can not be a patriot of the USA.
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BaltACD Backshop charlie hebdo Backshop It doesn't really matter. The first reason for their invasion was to "protect" the breakaway regions. Then it was to save the Ukrainian people from their leaders. Then it was to get rid of "Nazis". Now, they were "concerned" about biolabs. Yet, they have their fellow travelers who constantly make excuses for them. One of them is a Fox News host, although some might characterize him as a "useful idiot.'. Another is a current resident of Palm Beach. Being a firearms enthusiast, I frequent a few "conservative" forums. The love of Putin is widespread among them. It's scary because they're all "patriots". ANYONE loving Putin can not be a patriot of the USA.
Backshop charlie hebdo Backshop It doesn't really matter. The first reason for their invasion was to "protect" the breakaway regions. Then it was to save the Ukrainian people from their leaders. Then it was to get rid of "Nazis". Now, they were "concerned" about biolabs. Yet, they have their fellow travelers who constantly make excuses for them. One of them is a Fox News host, although some might characterize him as a "useful idiot.'. Another is a current resident of Palm Beach. Being a firearms enthusiast, I frequent a few "conservative" forums. The love of Putin is widespread among them. It's scary because they're all "patriots".
charlie hebdo Backshop It doesn't really matter. The first reason for their invasion was to "protect" the breakaway regions. Then it was to save the Ukrainian people from their leaders. Then it was to get rid of "Nazis". Now, they were "concerned" about biolabs. Yet, they have their fellow travelers who constantly make excuses for them. One of them is a Fox News host, although some might characterize him as a "useful idiot.'. Another is a current resident of Palm Beach.
Backshop It doesn't really matter. The first reason for their invasion was to "protect" the breakaway regions. Then it was to save the Ukrainian people from their leaders. Then it was to get rid of "Nazis". Now, they were "concerned" about biolabs. Yet, they have their fellow travelers who constantly make excuses for them.
It doesn't really matter. The first reason for their invasion was to "protect" the breakaway regions. Then it was to save the Ukrainian people from their leaders. Then it was to get rid of "Nazis". Now, they were "concerned" about biolabs. Yet, they have their fellow travelers who constantly make excuses for them.
One of them is a Fox News host, although some might characterize him as a "useful idiot.'. Another is a current resident of Palm Beach.
Being a firearms enthusiast, I frequent a few "conservative" forums. The love of Putin is widespread among them. It's scary because they're all "patriots".
ANYONE loving Putin can not be a patriot of the USA.
I'm sure Father Coughlin's listeners and the members of the German-American Bund also considered themselves to be patriots.
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Right wingers here and elsewhere love white autocrats like Putin. Russia has many fine people who might just overthrow Putin. But Russia is also the home base for a lot of White Power types and neo-Nazi racists.
The funny thing is that one of the best ways of countering Russian power was keeping oil prices low and for Europe to find alternatives to Russian natural gas.
Our friend Koch is not condeming Russia.
Koch Industries continues doing business in Russia (popular.info)
What people need to remember is this Chencyna fought the Russian Army to a standstill in the 90's. Afghanistan DEFEATED the entire freaking USSR then the USA fighting us both in the last 40 years. The USA lost to North Vietnam in the 60's and 70's due to the number of KIA and WIA they sent home. Russia in not the Soviet Union of the 30's and 40's where Stalin would have killed off half the population to survive the war. Putin can not risk losing to much for one simple reason way to many people have access to reliable outside information now. His new draconion laws he has rammed into effect are going to boomerang on him in the worst way. Why is that people that have tasted freedom will want more of it. His throwing people in prison for up to 15 years for saying the wrong words is going to cause the people to say NO MORE. Just watch and wait he is going to lose and lose everything.
BackshopThere's a reason Russia isn't in NATO. NATO was founded to counter the USSR (Russia).
As a British general once said concerning Europe and NATO:
"NATO was founded to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down."
CMStPnP Euclid US undersecretary of state acknowledges there are biological warfare labs in Ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html The exchange between herself and Marco Rubio was clarifying they were regular medical research labs that every country has to research infectious biological agents and have nothing to do with biological warfare
Euclid US undersecretary of state acknowledges there are biological warfare labs in Ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html
The exchange between herself and Marco Rubio was clarifying they were regular medical research labs that every country has to research infectious biological agents and have nothing to do with biological warfare
Russia and NATO signed some cooperation agreements but I don't think Russia ever applied for NATO membership. Putin has recently claimed that he asked Clinton about it in 2000, but I think that's just maskirovka to try to put Russia in the aggrieved party position for their attack on Ukraine.
There's a reason Russia isn't in NATO. NATO was founded to counter the USSR (Russia). Yeah, I know they aren't the same thing, but Russia was by far the dominant member. Couldn't you see what a mess it would be right now if Russia was a member?
charlie hebdoThe historic context is part of the admittance process.
Point out below where it states pre WWII History is even relevant............. If it was, how did they reconcile offering NATO Membership to Russia of all countries?
https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/eur/fs_members.html
charlie hebdo Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere.
American tend to forget that, probably because there was a certain amount of luck and circumstance involved in the development of American democracy.
By this I mean that while the French, Spanish, and Dutch colonies in the New World were always under the tight control of their home governments the colonists in British North America were essentially dumped on the beach. Those colonists were forced into developing their own governments, first local then colony-wide. By the time of the Revolution there were thirteen fuctioning democracies in British North America, not identical or perfect but functioning just the same. But it didn't happen overnight, it took time.
Correct. Every developed country had bacteriological research labs, it's all part of the study of medicine. As far as I know all (realistic) developed countries gave up on bacteriological warfare decades ago, the "Patriotic Germ" that will attack the "bad guys" but will leave your own people alone doesn't exist and never will.
Despite the differences in external packaging humans are all the same under the skin, what infects one race or ethnic group will infect all.
Even Hitler forbade bacteriological warfare research as too dangerous, and we know what kind of humanitarian he was. (Himmler and the SS had a bio-war lab operating on the sly, but that's another story.)
CMStPnP charlie hebdo History is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere. Which has nothing to do with the requirements for NATO membership it is only their progress towards the requirement as of time of admittance that matters
charlie hebdo History is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere.
Which has nothing to do with the requirements for NATO membership it is only their progress towards the requirement as of time of admittance that matters
If you understood historical development, you would not make such a statement. The historic context is part of the admittance process.
Putin says he wants to discuss the surrender
Zelensky replied that was out of the question. Ukraine has no way to handle that many prisoners.
charlie hebdoHistory is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere.
charlie hebdo Analogous to your way of approaching this would have been negotiating with Germany in 1941 to see how much territory they should retain. You want to reward aggression.
Analogous to your way of approaching this would have been negotiating with Germany in 1941 to see how much territory they should retain. You want to reward aggression.
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