so called humor: decent posters, will the posts of another poster drive you away?

[Convicted One]

Euclid

And if that doesn't work, then they will trot out their dead horse argument.

 

Or play the "NIMBY" card.   And when it comes right down to it, what makes our resident railroad "experts" think they know so much more about NIMBYism than genuine NIMBYS do?

[tree68]

Convicted One

I would like to encourage you to look at the "views"  tally for the thread in question, and compare it to the equivalent value to more serious threads that have been on the board longer. CLEARLY even though this thread might not meet YOUR approval, it certainly must appeal to others.

Alas, that's usually the case - threads on minutiae, often only periphally related to railroading (if at all), frequently have long runs.  And that's because it takes no knowledge of railroading to contribute.  

A technical discussion will only last as long as there are questions or comments on the topic at hand.  And most folks will recognize and respect the information provided by those who deal with the topic on a regular basis.  And if you tell me that the air pressure in the brake line is what holds the brake shoes off the wheels, I'm going to correct you.  

[Convicted One]

tree68

that's because it takes no knowledge of railroading to contribute.

This would be a pretty boring forum if posts were only allowed by those possessing an intimate knowledge of the trade, don't you think?

[tree68]

Convicted One

 

 

tree68

that's because it takes no knowledge of railroading to contribute.

This would be a pretty boring forum if posts were only allowed by those possessing an intimate knowledge of the trade, don't you think?

Not necessarily - the fire forums I'm on seem to do pretty well.  There is the occasional outlier - a wannabe who's got a story a mile long but no background to back it up.  They get called on it and that's usually where it ends.  There are definitely disagreements on tactics or tools, but folks usually agree to disagree.  In fact, several folks who were at each other's throats on-line have met and found out they were a lot closer on their views than anyone would have imagined.

 

I'm on other railroad forums, too.  The topics there seem to follow the general ilk of what we see here - abandoned lines, traffic on certain lines, the appearance of heritage units and the like, and because it's a more local forum, some items of local interest, like train shows schedules and switching at a local brewery.

 

The participants are a mix of fans and railroaders.

 

What's missing is the drama.  And nobody misses it at all.

[gardendance]

schlimm

Most of us indicated we could ignore the subject of this thread.  However, he has taken to posting on almost every current thread making that increasingly difficult.   How much longer does this have to go on?   He's destroying whatever enjoyment was left of these forums on his way to oblivion.

gardendance

Seriously though, where are ANY examples to support your contention that ChessieCat123 "has taken to posting on almost every current thread"?

Schlimm, that wasn't a rhetorical question. You said that the problem was "HE" puts his comments into almost every thread. I assumed you meant chessiecat123, and presented evidence that shows he hasn't put his comments into every thread, but rather originates a lot of threads. Do you still believe he puts his comments inot every thread, and do you have any statistics to back that up, or are you willing to admit that there's not much evidence to support your opinion?

Or are you perhaps talking about someone else besides chessiecat?

BigJim

 

No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum.

Drive me away? No, but, I have found it useless to try to reply to a rock. So, if something intelligent comes up that I thing I might be able to add to, I will do so.

 

I remember reading the first few posts in "Bomb Trains", and didn't find anything that interested me, but also didn't find anything in the posts that was out of line. It just seemed to me to be old news, I had read articles like it years ago. Your post raised my interest again, I reread the thread, but again don't see anything out of line in the thread. I do agree that the article to which it refers is stupid, but not the thread's discusion of the topic. Can you please be specific, what about the thread do you feel is stupid?

You remind me of an important point: not only must the topic be intelligent, but I must feel that I have something to contribute. There are many topics I read, but don't reply, because I feel I have nothing to contribute. That doesn't make the topics any less valid or worth peoples' attention, despite jokes people like me make that the only true measures of a thread's success are its reply and view counts.

Norm48327

 

 

schlimm

Exactly. Folks are staying away. It is 1:17pm CST and so far today (since 6 am) there are only six posts on the general forum.

 

 

Well, some of us have other things to do than sit in front of a computer all day.

 

Norm, you beat me to it. We hates you, we hates you forever, filthy Bagginses.

[gardendance]

tree68

What's missing is the drama.  And nobody misses it at all.

Although I'm sure you don't miss the drama, I don't feel you can speak for everybody else. That's almost as bad as trying to claim that the good professional railroaders who used to post on these fora in the good old days have been driven away, never to return.

I also challenge your signature. I have lots more humility than you ever will.

[schlimm]

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

 

 

 

  You're so inane.
 You probably think this thread is about you-don't you? 

 

 

In a word, NO.  Is that clear enough for you?  

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

[Murphy Siding]

schlimm

 

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

 

 

 

  You're so inane.
 You probably think this thread is about you-don't you? 

 

 

 

 

 

In a word, NO.  Is that clear enough for you?  

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

  I believe you've lost your sense of humor.  Perhaps you could ask Santy Clause for a new one?

Wiki?  Google?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_So_Vain 

[Norm48327]

schlimm

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

Then, if I may ask, why are you even reading it, much less contributing to the boredom? Bored people usually walk away.

[BigJim]

gardendance

BigJim   No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum. Drive me away? No, but, I have found it useless to try to reply to a rock. So, if something intelligent comes up that I thing I might be able to add to, I will do so.   I remember reading the first few posts in "Bomb Trains", and didn't find anything that interested me, but also didn't find anything in the posts that was out of line. It just seemed to me to be old news, I had read articles like it years ago. Your post raised my interest again, I reread the thread, but again don't see anything out of line in the thread. I do agree that the article to which it refers is stupid, but not the thread's discusion of the topic. Can you please be specific, what about the thread do you feel is stupid?

This is the part: "make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum". 
And remenber, it has to be taken in context with the title of this thread in mind.

[Anonymous]

Norm48327

 

 

schlimm

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

 

Then, if I may ask, why are you even reading it, much less contributing to the boredom? Bored people usually walk away.

 

Perhaps he has nothing else to do during the day.

[Anonymous]

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

 

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

 

 

 

  You're so inane.
 You probably think this thread is about you-don't you? 

 

 

 

 

 

In a word, NO.  Is that clear enough for you?  

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

 

 

 

  I believe you've lost your sense of humor.  Perhaps you could ask Santy Clause for a new one?

Wiki?  Google?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_So_Vain 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Sy6oiJbEk

 

 

[gardendance]

BigJim 

Within the context of which thread? Are you talking about this thread, which I started because another thread had just about the same statement you made, why are some people allowed to post? Regardless of how you feel about the posters, what solution can you provide that would prevent them from posting? It's pretty obvious that each time chessiecat123 has had one of his logins suspended he's simply created another one. I can't imagine any method, on a free website, that would do anything more than slow someone down very slightly who's determined to post what they want.

Or are you talking about "Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report" That was not one of chessiecat123's. As I mentioned above, I don't see anything wrong with the thread. What is it that makes you feel it's a stupid thread, or that the poster is " here just to stir up things up", and so is worthy of getting the poster banned?

You obviously see something wrong with either this thread, in which you're participating, or in the "bomb train" thread, but whatever it is I can't see it.

[gardendance]

Norm48327

 

 

 

 

schlimm

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

 

 

Then, if I may ask, why are you even reading it, much less contributing to the boredom? Bored people usually walk away. Hmm

 

 

Norm, you did it again, took the words out of my mouth. When will you learn that I must originate everything?

Schlimm, you have still not answered my question about how you got your opinion that chessiecat123 is putting his comments into other peoples' threads. Although I try to be funny once in a while, I also have some serious questions as well, and this is one of them. The statistics that I looked at would support a contention that he makes lots of his own threads, not that he hijacks other peoples' threads. You felt strongly enough that he does hijack other peoples' threads to post it, so what makes you feel this way?

[BigJim]

gardendance

whatever it is I can't see it.

Then I hope you can see the Delair Bridge before you crash into it.

[schlimm]

Norm48327

 

 

schlimm

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

 

Then, if I may ask, why are you even reading it, much less contributing to the boredom? Bored people usually walk away.

 

Kettle?  Pot?  

[schlimm]

gardendance

Schlimm, you have still not answered my question about how you got your opinion that chessiecat123 is putting his comments into other peoples' threads. Although I try to be funny once in a while, I also have some serious questions as well, and this is one of them. The statistics that I looked at would support a contention that he makes lots of his own threads, not that he hijacks other peoples' threads. You felt strongly enough that he does hijack other peoples' threads to post it, so what makes you feel this way?

Keep waiting, then.  

[schlimm]

F3A

 

 

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

 

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

 

 

 

  You're so inane.
 You probably think this thread is about you-don't you? 

 

 

 

 

 

In a word, NO.  Is that clear enough for you?  

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

 

 

 

  I believe you've lost your sense of humor.  Perhaps you could ask Santy Clause for a new one?

Wiki?  Google?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_So_Vain 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Sy6oiJbEk

 

 

 

From this point onward, I will not respond to your posts.

[Anonymous]

schlimm

 

 

F3A

 

 

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

 

Murphy Siding

 

 

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

 

 

 

  You're so inane.
 You probably think this thread is about you-don't you? 

 

 

 

 

 

In a word, NO.  Is that clear enough for you?  

This has become yet another in a long series of threads that are obsessive, whining, ranting, insulting and boring.

 

 

 

 

  I believe you've lost your sense of humor.  Perhaps you could ask Santy Clause for a new one?

Wiki?  Google?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_So_Vain 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Sy6oiJbEk

 

 

 

 

 

 

From this point onward, I will not respond to your posts.

 

Well, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

[gardendance]

BigJim

 

 

gardendance

whatever it is I can't see it.

 

 

Then I hope you can see the Delair Bridge before you crash into it.

 

 

I think you should say before I crash into the bridge AGAIN.

schlimm

 

 

gardendance

Schlimm, you have still not answered my question about how you got your opinion that chessiecat123 is putting his comments into other peoples' threads. Although I try to be funny once in a while, I also have some serious questions as well, and this is one of them. The statistics that I looked at would support a contention that he makes lots of his own threads, not that he hijacks other peoples' threads. You felt strongly enough that he does hijack other peoples' threads to post it, so what makes you feel this way?

 

 

Keep waiting, then.  

 

There's no need for me to wait anymore. I conclude that your post accusing chessiecat123 of hijacking other peoples' threads was a lie, and I'm willing to bet that any reasonable person would conclude the same way.

[Murphy Siding]

nothing

[schlimm]

gardendance

There's no need for me to wait anymore. I conclude that your post accusing chessiecat123 of hijacking other peoples' threads was a lie, and I'm willing to bet that any reasonable person would conclude the same way.

Your post is a total distortion fabrication of my comment.    And what I said was only in the same sense of what several others also were saying [about Ray].   Here was my post:

Most of us indicated we could ignore the subject of this thread.  However, he has taken to posting on almost every current thread making that increasingly difficult.   How much longer does this have to go on?   He's destroying whatever enjoyment was left of these forums on his way to oblivion.

Where is the word "hijacking" above?  "Almost every" is hardly a precise count.  When I posted this, however, many threads on the various forums showed the last comment was his, and often the comment was a typical troll comment.   Some comments he makes are good contributions, but a significant number are straight out of the troller's manual.  

You befriended Ray, defended his trolling and even took him for a ride on a boat - all your privilege and free choice.  Don't expect everyone to share your opinion.

[gardendance]

The word hijacking appears in my reply to you. It's my interpretation of your phrase "Almost every". Within a few hours of your having posted that I checked, found that he had posted in ONLY 1 thread within the prior week that he hadn't originated, and posted my findings, which completely disagree with your unsubstantiated comment that "many threads on the various forums showed the last comment was his". "Almost every" may be an imprecise comment, but it's considerably more than 1.

I befriended Ray, a mistake I will not make again. I am not defending Ray's or anyone else's trolling. I am trying to defend the truth, and point out this instance where you lied and are rephrasing your lie.

[Norm48327]

schlimm

From this point onward, I will not respond to your posts.

He'll be "such a sad case, so broken-hearted".

[schlimm]

gardendance

The word hijacking appears in my reply to you. It's my interpretation of your phrase "Almost every". Within a few hours of your having posted that I checked, found that he had posted in ONLY 1 thread within the prior week that he hadn't originated, and posted my findings, which completely disagree with your unsubstantiated comment that "many threads on the various forums showed the last comment was his". "Almost every" may be an imprecise comment, but it's considerably more than 1.

I befriended Ray, a mistake I will not make again. I am not defending Ray's or anyone else's trolling. I am trying to defend the truth, and point out this instance where you lied and are rephrasing your lie.

 

I am certainly not going to respond in the future to someone who totallly distorts reality for his own purposes and then has the brass to call that person a liar.  

[Euclid]

All of the angst here about who is right and wrong might lead to a distorted perception of the forum universe.  While this little group talks to each other, I think the far larger participation is from unregistered users who we never hear from.  They read, form their opinions, and never say a word.  They have nothing to defend, but they are the largest component of the forum.  And they are the ones who are deciding who is right and wrong here.

[Convicted One]

tree68

Not necessarily - the fire forums I'm on seem to do pretty well.

 

Yes, but you are a fireman, correct? So if the trade "insiders" rule that roost, and you are an insider, it really isn't much of a surprise that you see no problem with that set up.

 

I really haven't seen much indication from Kalmbach that their desire is to have this message board become the private feifdom of a handful of industry insiders. (And that is what it looks like the argument is about at this point in time, a few wish to command  the masses on the proper way to revere them)  rather I suspect that it is Kalmbach's preference to utilize the message boards to make their readership  feel more attached to their product(s).

 

In your air brake example earlier, I can understand how somone might be misinformed, but find it challenging to believe that somone would insult you for taking the time to set the record straight. Have you had that experience?

[Convicted One]

tree68

And most folks will recognize and respect the information provided by those who deal with the topic on a regular basis

 

One thing may deserve mention at this point. Often we make our own bed.

 

There are a handful of people here who seem find it especially challenging to disagree with anyone without lacing their "fact stream" with personal insults, demeaning epithets, and self-serving vitriol.

And, if someone happens to decide that they  just have to lace their "expertise" with condescension and abuse, I hope they will forgive me if I fail to respect their whiskers.  There are a few regulars here especially fond of painting with a fairly broad brush. Listening to them rant about what idiots college graduates who happen to disagree with them are, it can be vexing to take all of  their expertise seriously.

 

Signed:  A college graduate

[tree68]

Convicted One

In your air brake example earlier, I can understand how somone might be misinformed, but find it challenging to believe that somone would insult you for taking the time to set the record straight. Have you had that experience?

Isn't that what this thread is all about?

And it isn't that someone would insult me - it's that they would question the veracity, the justification, and/or the practices surrounding the topic.  Ad nauseum, even in the face of repeated informed replies to their incredulity.  

[Deggesty]

We can differ with respect. Recently, on another forum, an expert in his own field made what seemed to me to be a blanket statement. I responded, pointing out, from my own experience, a correction. (I think you all are aware that I have never received any pay for railroad work). He responded, acknowledging my correction. 

We are friends.