so called humor: decent posters, will the posts of another poster drive you away?

[Murphy Siding]

Norm48327

 

 

Euclid

I have to agree that there is no absolute way of looking at this matter of being driven off. On one hand, “driven off” implies something outside of the driven doing the driving. But any person is equally capable of driving themselves off if they create the perception of an external driver in their own mind. Ultimately, that is the way reality works anyway. But if person “A” leaves because they decide to believe they are being driven off by person “B”, did person B really drive them off, or did person “A” simply drive off on their own and blame it on person “B”? Therefore, when I say you can’t be driven off if you have the power to stay, that is true unless you don’t believe that you have the power to stay.

 

 

Circular logic carried to it's highest form of perfection.

 

 With just a touch of Catch-22 in there don't you think?

[Euclid]

They always say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Upon closer examination, everything is in the eye of the beholder.  So being “driven off” is in the mind of the beholder. 

Being offended is in the mind of the offended.  That is why it is hard to ban offensive speech.  “Offensive” is a moving target depending on the person affected.  Lots of people want to gain the empowerment that comes from being a victim.  When you are a victim, you can demand redress.  So they make themselves easily offended to achieve their goal of victim status.  The slightest little thing will set them off.  The only problem is that although they gain power, they stick themselves with the burden of being a victim.

Being that it is physically impossible to for a person to drive another person off the forum, the only way a person can be driven off is to believe that he or she is being driven off by whoever they believe is persecuting them. 

You know what they always say:  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a zebra acting like a duck.     

[zugmann]

Euclid

They always say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Upon closer examination, everything is in the eye of the beholder.  So being “driven off” is in the mind of the beholder. 

Being offended is in the mind of the offended.  That is why it is hard to ban offensive speech.  “Offensive” is a moving target depending on the person affected.  Lots of people want to gain the empowerment that comes from being a victim.  When you are a victim, you can demand redress.  So they make themselves easily offended to achieve their goal of victim status.  The slightest little thing will set them off.  The only problem is that although they gain power, they stick themselves with the burden of being a victim.

Being that it is physically impossible to for a person to drive another person off the forum, the only way a person can be driven off is to believe that he or she is being driven off by whoever they believe is persecuting them. 

You know what they always say:  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a zebra acting like a duck.     

 

 

And that's how Equestria was made. 

 

[Norm48327]

Euclid

They always say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Upon closer examination, everything is in the eye of the beholder.  So being “driven off” is in the mind of the beholder. 

Being offended is in the mind of the offended.  That is why it is hard to ban offensive speech.  “Offensive” is a moving target depending on the person affected.  Lots of people want to gain the empowerment that comes from being a victim.  When you are a victim, you can demand redress.  So they make themselves easily offended to achieve their goal of victim status.  The slightest little thing will set them off.  The only problem is that although they gain power, they stick themselves with the burden of being a victim.

Being that it is physically impossible to for a person to drive another person off the forum, the only way a person can be driven off is to believe that he or she is being driven off by whoever they believe is persecuting them. 

You know what they always say:  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a zebra acting like a duck.     

 

I didn't know you are a psychology major. What university are you teaching at?

[wanswheel]

[Convicted One]

gardendance

Is sock puppet an insult?

 

Usually in the context it is used, yes.

 

It usually goes something like this: I say that the sky is blue, and you say the sky is green. If three more posters show up and side with you, I can dismiss all of them by declaring "sock puppet" and no longer have to worry about MY preferred outlook being a minority opinion.  Unless it's night time, of course.

[Convicted One]

zugmann

I still love ya, though.

 

That's what keeps me coming back.  

[Electroliner 1935]

Kinky.

[Anonymous]

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[BigJim]

 so called humor: decent posters, will the posts of another poster drive you away?.

No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum.
Drive me away? No, but, I have found it useless to try to reply to a rock. So, if something intelligent comes up that I thing I might be able to add to, I will do so.

[schlimm]

BigJim

 

 

 so called humor: decent posters, will the posts of another poster drive you away?.

 

 

No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum.
Drive me away? No, but, I have found it useless to try to reply to a rock. So, if something intelligent comes up that I thing I might be able to add to, I will do so.

 

 

Exactly.  Folks are staying away.  It is 1:17pm CST and so far today (since 6 am) there are only six posts on the general forum.   

[Euclid]

schlimm

 

BigJim

 

 

 so called humor: decent posters, will the posts of another poster drive you away?.

 

 

No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum.
Drive me away? No, but, I have found it useless to try to reply to a rock. So, if something intelligent comes up that I thing I might be able to add to, I will do so.

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly.  Folks are staying away.  It is 1:17pm CST and so far today (since 6 am) there are only six posts on the general forum.   

 

 

In this discussion about members being “driven off” the forum, the general presumption is that they are driven off because others do not agree with them in discussions.  What about those who might be driven off because they can’t deal with what they perceive as inanity?

Maybe they conclude that this is not the place for serious discussion.  Or maybe they don’t like a format where some people claim that their credentials mean they can’t be wrong in a debate; and that gives them the right to insult people who disagree with them.

And besides the people who are driven off, how many people decide not to join the forum because of what they see here?  I’ll bet that is a larger number than the number of people leaving. 

 

[Norm48327]

schlimm

Exactly. Folks are staying away. It is 1:17pm CST and so far today (since 6 am) there are only six posts on the general forum.

Well, some of us have other things to do than sit in front of a computer all day.

[Norm48327]

Euclid

Maybe they conclude that this is not the place for serious discussion. Or maybe they don’t like a format where some people claim that their credentials mean they can’t be wrong in a debate; and that gives them the right to insult people who disagree with them.

Coming from someone who refuses to show he has ever worked in the industry but claims he has experience that statement is a slap in the face of those who do work there and have knowledge of what works and what doesn't.

That said, I admit to having no inside knowledge but I'm willing to learn from those who do.

Flame suit is on.

[Euclid]

Norm,

If you have no inside knowledge, but are willing to learn, how do you know who to believe as you go about your learning? 

[tree68]

Euclid

In this discussion about members being “driven off” the forum, the general presumption is that they are driven off because others do not agree with them in discussions.  What about those who might be driven off because they can’t deal with what they perceive as inanity? Maybe they conclude that this is not the place for serious discussion.  Or maybe they don’t like a format where some people claim that their credentials mean they can’t be wrong in a debate; and that gives them the right to insult people who disagree with them. And besides the people who are driven off, how many people decide not to join the forum because of what they see here?  I’ll bet that is a larger number than the number of people leaving. 

I don't believe that people are "driven off" by folks don't agree with them.

I think the inanity factor is much larger.  Sometimes the old meme "cat-like typing detected" is more appropriate.  All too often, these folks don't seem to get the message when the fallacy of their points is shown - they just keep on keeping on.

And it is hard to take some posters seriously when an acknowledged expert in a field, as proven by the body of knowledge they've brought to the forum over time, is dismissed by a poster whose credentials might be that they've been reading railroad magazines for a bunch of years (or less).

Or when they dismiss out-of-hand a proven (documented) fact.

 

 

 

[Norm48327]

Euclid

Norm,

If you have no inside knowledge, but are willing to learn, how do you know who to believe as you go about your learning? 

 

Because it is no major task to decipher who knows of what they speak and those who don't.

You have claimed in the past to have experience but refuse to show any credentials. Therefore, your credibility is in serious doubt.

[Euclid]

tree68

 

 

Euclid

In this discussion about members being “driven off” the forum, the general presumption is that they are driven off because others do not agree with them in discussions.  What about those who might be driven off because they can’t deal with what they perceive as inanity? Maybe they conclude that this is not the place for serious discussion.  Or maybe they don’t like a format where some people claim that their credentials mean they can’t be wrong in a debate; and that gives them the right to insult people who disagree with them. And besides the people who are driven off, how many people decide not to join the forum because of what they see here?  I’ll bet that is a larger number than the number of people leaving. 

 

 

I don't believe that people are "driven off" by folks don't agree with them.

I think the inanity factor is much larger.  Sometimes the old meme "cat-like typing detected" is more appropriate.  All too often, these folks don't seem to get the message when the fallacy of their points is shown - they just keep on keeping on.

And it is hard to take some posters seriously when an acknowledged expert in a field, as proven by the body of knowledge they've brought to the forum over time, is dismissed by a poster whose credentials might be that they've been reading railroad magazines for a bunch of years (or less).

Or when they dismiss out-of-hand a proven (documented) fact.

 

 

 

 

What is the difference between "folks who don't agree" and folks who "don't seem to get the message when the fallacy of their points is shown”?  You say the former are not driving people away, but the latter are.

 

Give me an example, of when an acknowledged expert in a field, as proven by the body of knowledge they've brought to the forum over time, was dismissed by a poster whose credentials might be that they've been reading railroad magazines for a bunch of years (or less).  Or when they dismiss out-of-hand a proven (documented) fact.

[Murphy Siding]

tree68

........I think the inanity factor is much larger......

  Inanity or insanity? 

[edblysard]

Euclid

 

tree68

 

 

Euclid

In this discussion about members being “driven off” the forum, the general presumption is that they are driven off because others do not agree with them in discussions.  What about those who might be driven off because they can’t deal with what they perceive as inanity? Maybe they conclude that this is not the place for serious discussion.  Or maybe they don’t like a format where some people claim that their credentials mean they can’t be wrong in a debate; and that gives them the right to insult people who disagree with them. And besides the people who are driven off, how many people decide not to join the forum because of what they see here?  I’ll bet that is a larger number than the number of people leaving. 

 

 

I don't believe that people are "driven off" by folks don't agree with them.

I think the inanity factor is much larger.  Sometimes the old meme "cat-like typing detected" is more appropriate.  All too often, these folks don't seem to get the message when the fallacy of their points is shown - they just keep on keeping on.

And it is hard to take some posters seriously when an acknowledged expert in a field, as proven by the body of knowledge they've brought to the forum over time, is dismissed by a poster whose credentials might be that they've been reading railroad magazines for a bunch of years (or less).

Or when they dismiss out-of-hand a proven (documented) fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the difference between "folks who don't agree" and folks who "don't seem to get the message when the fallacy of their points is shown”?  You say the former are not driving people away, but the latter are.

 

Give me an example, of when an acknowledged expert in a field, as proven by the body of knowledge they've brought to the forum over time, was dismissed by a poster whose credentials might be that they've been reading railroad magazines for a bunch of years (or less).  Or when they dismiss out-of-hand a proven (documented) fact.

 

Of all people...you can seriously ask that?

Outstanding!

[tree68]

Euclid

What is the difference between "folks who don't agree" and folks who "don't seem to get the message when the fallacy of their points is shown”?  You say the former are not driving people away, but the latter are.

If person A disagrees with the opinion of person B, that's one thing.  Each is entitled to their opinion.  If someone leaves because of it, it's their loss.

If person A insists that stop signs are star-shaped and green and won't change their mind when it's proven that stop signs are red and octogonal, continuing to argue otherwise, that's stupid.

Euclid

Give me an example,

Sorry, I don't keep a scorecard...  

I've been on this forum for quite a few years, though.  

[Norm48327]

Murphy Siding

Inanity or insanity?

The latter. About two waves short of a shipwreck.

[Norm48327]

edblysard

Of all people...you can seriously ask that? Outstanding!

Of course. Don't you know he's never wrong?

Caution: sarcasm intended.

[schlimm]

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

[Murphy Siding]

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

  You're so inane.
 You probably think this thread is about you-don't you? 

[Norm48327]

schlimm

I've noted the "insanity" question here.   I won't touch that one with a 50' pole, but maybe 51'.

 

It pays to be crazy. It keeps you from going insane.

[Convicted One]

Euclid

This thread seems to be the county seat of innuendo.

 

Not in my endo you don't!!

[Convicted One]

BigJim

No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum.

 

I would like to encourage you to look at the "views"  tally for the thread in question, and compare it to the equivalent value to more serious threads that have been on the board longer. CLEARLY even though this thread might not meet YOUR approval, it certainly must appeal to others.

 

Try to take yourself out of the center of the universe  for a moment and realize that no one made you "grand dragon of allowable content". Others very well may have interests that do not run parallel to yours. That DOES NOT mean you get to sanction what is relevant.

[Convicted One]

tree68

Or when they dismiss out-of-hand a proven (documented) fact.

 

Sometimes "facts" are embedded in a pool of murk.  Sometimes  facts are cherry picked and are not necessarily representative of the entire picture. Both can lead to arguments that are non-persuasive.   Are we  expected to yield to non-persuasive arguments simply because their source is a supposed authority?

[Euclid]

Convicted One

 

BigJim

No, but it is stupid posts like this ["Bomb Trains" threaten America's safety, according to report] that make me shake my head and make me wonder why people who are here just to stir up things up are allowed to post to this forum.

 

 

Try to take yourself out of the center of the universe  for a moment and realize that no one made you "grand dragon of allowable content". Others very well may have interests that do not run parallel to yours. That DOES NOT mean you get to sanction what is relevant.

 

Some people here often make themselves "grand dragons of allowable content."  They will complain when people with insufficient credentials question their wisdom.  And if that doesn't work, then they will trot out their dead horse argument.