Oh, boy, has this gone on for about 7 pages too long? I realize I can take my own frequently offered advice and quit reading any time I want -- but really, now!
GDRMCo Kyle Semper Vaporo cacole When you realize how many locomotives would have to be equipped with any of these deterrent devices you people are dreaming up, the cost would be staggering. Yeah, but think how much fun the Engineer and Conductor could have! It would only be installed on a few. Mostly, only the locomotives that really attract idiots. Plus a few ordinary locomotives. Between rubber bullets and water cannons, only the completely stupid idiots would get hit. Might save a few not as stupid idiots. You do realise that every single thing you've suggested will never happen right? You live in a country where guns are accessible to everyone, what's going to happen when someone cops a rubber bullet to the head? Litigation will abound so maybe instead of proposing crackpot theories show your true intelligence (unless this is all a front) and come up with something a bit less out there. Or, alternatively, just stop trying to be Darwinism Incarnate.
Kyle Semper Vaporo cacole When you realize how many locomotives would have to be equipped with any of these deterrent devices you people are dreaming up, the cost would be staggering. Yeah, but think how much fun the Engineer and Conductor could have! It would only be installed on a few. Mostly, only the locomotives that really attract idiots. Plus a few ordinary locomotives. Between rubber bullets and water cannons, only the completely stupid idiots would get hit. Might save a few not as stupid idiots.
Semper Vaporo cacole When you realize how many locomotives would have to be equipped with any of these deterrent devices you people are dreaming up, the cost would be staggering. Yeah, but think how much fun the Engineer and Conductor could have!
cacole When you realize how many locomotives would have to be equipped with any of these deterrent devices you people are dreaming up, the cost would be staggering.
When you realize how many locomotives would have to be equipped with any of these deterrent devices you people are dreaming up, the cost would be staggering.
It would only be installed on a few. Mostly, only the locomotives that really attract idiots. Plus a few ordinary locomotives. Between rubber bullets and water cannons, only the completely stupid idiots would get hit. Might save a few not as stupid idiots.
You do realise that every single thing you've suggested will never happen right? You live in a country where guns are accessible to everyone, what's going to happen when someone cops a rubber bullet to the head? Litigation will abound so maybe instead of proposing crackpot theories show your true intelligence (unless this is all a front) and come up with something a bit less out there. Or, alternatively, just stop trying to be Darwinism Incarnate.
I still think my first suggestion about Darwinism is the best idea. However, some people think I am too cruel in allowing the idiots to do what they want, and kill themselves. So, I suggested giving the idiots less severe punishments, by deterring them from their stupidity. For the record, I proposed having water cannons with dye blast them, and if that doesn't help, and they are stupid enough to stay on the tracks, then you use rubber bullets as a last resort before they get hit. Any sane person will say getting hit by a rubber bullet is better than getting hit by a train. If they only get hit by rubber bullets, then maybe they will learn some common sense. If they don't, they'll still end up getting hit.
Again, rubber bullets are a last resort, ideally only the water cannons would be used. The rubber bullets are hopefully a substitute for getting hit, if it has gotten that far.
Maybe for special events like this, RRs could run a few cops ahead to make sure the track is clear, and maybe a few more to stay with the move. All the police in the tender when they could be out giving these idiots ticket. Anyone within five feet of the tracks gets a ticket, five to ten feet gets a warning. Maybe also coordinate with local news channels to instruct the public to stay at least ten feet away. Maybe hang another banner on the side of the move promoting safety, possibly an "I pack a punch" banner.
Educate te public on general safety around RRs. Team up with the state police to run a safety campaign on radio and TV like the drunk driving and click it or ticket campaigns.
Kyle {Snip} ... For the record, I proposed having water cannons with dye blast them, ... {Snip}
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... For the record, I proposed having water cannons with dye blast them, ...
Uh... 'scuse me... For the record: "I" proposed the dye to mark the offenders. This thread, 2nd page, Tue, May 13 2014 12:56 AM, I just used the term "sprayer" instead of "cannon" (Cannon just seems too violent for my purposes!). Please do not claim ownership of MY stupid ideas... People might think you are me or vice versa and, either way, that would be an insult to the BOTH of us!
I also suggested the possibility of adding a "fragrance" to the dye . That might get more people to watch out for the absent minded railfan that is putting himself in harms way and thus possibly exposing them to the need to carry a gas mask as part of the railfan's personal gear.
As an adjunct, I propose giving the Engineer and Conductor a rubber stamp that marks the shape of a "railfan with camera" so they can stamp the side of the cab every time they nail someone with the dye. Limit the aim of the sprayer/cannon to only the width of the track and ties so they can't accidently on purpose nail those of us fools that only stand beside the track.
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K. P. Harrier Wow! Clueless fools are somewhat understandable, especially young ones. But since when are relatively new SD70ACe’s used as remotes control units?
Wow!
Clueless fools are somewhat understandable, especially young ones.
But since when are relatively new SD70ACe’s used as remotes control units?
Plenty of older morons out there as well; there's no monopoly on stupidity. Amazing to me how people are always so quick to find a way to say "there's no way that I'D be stupid enough to do that, it's those other people over there!"
Semper Vaporo Limit the aim of the sprayer/cannon to only the width of the track and ties so they can't accidently on purpose nail those of us fools that only stand beside the track.
Limit the aim of the sprayer/cannon to only the width of the track and ties so they can't accidently on purpose nail those of us fools that only stand beside the track.
The water cannon would be controled by the crew, so they are able to blast idiots within five feet of the tracks. This way, you have a more direct stream delievering higher pressure, and you save water by only turinng it on when there is an idiot on the tracks. You can also get cars that are running through the grade crossing when the lights are activated. Maybe add some foam (like whats used on fire trucks), oil, sticky liquid, etc.
Kyle The water cannon would be controled by the crew, so they are able to blast idiots within five feet of the tracks. This way, you have a more direct stream delievering higher pressure, and you save water by only turinng it on when there is an idiot on the tracks. You can also get cars that are running through the grade crossing when the lights are activated. Maybe add some foam (like whats used on fire trucks), oil, sticky liquid, etc.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
KyleThe water cannon would be controled by the crew,
Curiously, steam engines already have such a feature (although not for the reason being discussed here...), and I'm sure it's occasionally used for exactly the purpose being discussed here.
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Murphy Siding Kyle The water cannon would be controled by the crew, so they are able to blast idiots within five feet of the tracks. This way, you have a more direct stream delievering higher pressure, and you save water by only turinng it on when there is an idiot on the tracks. You can also get cars that are running through the grade crossing when the lights are activated. Maybe add some foam (like whats used on fire trucks), oil, sticky liquid, etc. You're not too far from gas chambers there slick.
None of the ideas I suggested are dangerous. They just deliever enough force to make the person aware of their surroundings and the train coming. The other ingredients added to the water make the person never stand on active tracks again. Getting hit by a water cannon is at least hundred times less deadly than getting hit by the train. These ideas save lives, and make idiots smarter.
Yes, live steam coming towards you (or a cow) could be disconcerting. Of course, anyone or thing that was actually fouling the track could be hit before he/it realized what was coming.
Incidentally, last month, as I was going up to Oklahoma City from San Antonio, I noticed the reaction of stock that was in the fields by the track--the older stock continued grazing and the young stock ran away from near the track.
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Kyle Murphy Siding Kyle The water cannon would be controled by the crew, so they are able to blast idiots within five feet of the tracks. This way, you have a more direct stream delievering higher pressure, and you save water by only turinng it on when there is an idiot on the tracks. You can also get cars that are running through the grade crossing when the lights are activated. Maybe add some foam (like whats used on fire trucks), oil, sticky liquid, etc. You're not too far from gas chambers there slick. None of the ideas I suggested are dangerous. They just deliever enough force to make the person aware of their surroundings and the train coming. The other ingredients added to the water make the person never stand on active tracks again. Getting hit by a water cannon is at least hundred times less deadly than getting hit by the train. These ideas save lives, and make idiots smarter.
Your use of the words 'cannon' and 'blast' conjure up something more than just a 'squirt' or 'spray'... enough force to "shoot" a few yards and the implied (by the use of those words) 'volume' could very possibly knock a person down and ensure they become Solent Green . That is still unacceptable in this society, AS IT SHOULD BE.
I would not disagree with the on/off 'control' in the hands of the crew (probably could not carry enough juice to have it on all the time, anyway) but the aim would have be limited to a predetermined point in front of the engine. No fair squirting those that are behaving in a more appropriate manner!
Squirting a car that has 'run the gates' could only happen if they were really late getting around them and the dye on the car (had hopefully the driver because the had the window down) would also need to be admissible in traffic court as evidence that the driver is not intelligent enough to be allowed to drive.
Adding the cologne of Pepe le Pew (TM, Warner Bros) would provide a tremendous impetus to the other railfans in the area to encourage any offender to GET OFF THE *^%#@ TRACKS, YOU #&^@*! !!
But, all in all, you really should get off this kick of advocating letting people kill themselves, you are coming mighty close to encouraging the idiots to do so... I seriously doubt if you have ever known someone that did... nor have you the unfortunate experience of causing another's death, either deliberately (in war) or because they put themselves in harm's way before YOU.
When I say water cannon, I mean like the ones they have on crash trucks, or the firefighting boats. The spray pattern can be changed for distance or up close while still delievering a noticable spray to the offender. When used properly (special crews would be trained on this) it wouldn't knock anyone down. The locomotives will only carry so much water, so crews would have to turn it on and off, not to mention if you add things to the water, enviromemtalist will scream bloodly murder if you constantly run it.
I have simply advocated letting the idiots do whatever they want, if they get killed, they have personal responsibility. People today need to take more responsibility.
I have only one comment: 2 man crew running train. What railroad/union is going to allow any of these "ideas" - and I use the term loosely - be used?
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Kyle I have simply advocated letting the idiots do whatever they want, if they get killed, they have personal responsibility. People today need to take more responsibility.
It would appear that Kyle has never lost a family member, relative or friend to an accidental death, no matter how it happened. He also seems to have little use for the legal concept of "attractive nuisance".
Mookie I have only one comment: 2 man crew running train. What railroad/union is going to allow any of these "ideas" - and I use the term loosely - be used?
These ideas help the RRs because A) saves time, when and idiot gets killed, the train has to stop, have an investigation done, clean up the body, B) Saves money, don't have to have people clean up the body, and repair minor damages/scratches to the locomotive, and C) saves them from having a legal battle because of the screwed up legal system.
I still think that we should just let the idiots do what they want and not care. But that would lead to a lot of time wasted cleaning up of what remains of the idiots. Plus, it could scratch the paint job.
There are a lot of people in this world. Your standard of an I-dot aside, why stop with trains?
Kyle I still think that we should just let the idiots do what they want and not care. But that would lead to a lot of time wasted cleaning up of what remains of the idiots. Plus, it could scratch the paint job.
And just how long have you been a misanthrope?
Kyle, where is your tolerance? It sounds like you are filled with hate.
Remember there are only 3 kinds of people in the World -
1. Yourself2. Idiots3. A..holes
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I was told there are 10 kinds of people in this world... those that understand binary and those that don't.
Semper Vaporo I was told there are 10 kinds of people in this world... those that understand binary and those that don't.
Binary in a Hexadecimal world
What really hurts is that I have been a computer designer and programmer for nearly 45 years and I had to have that explained to me!
I would suggest we all ignore the rather sick postings of Troller Kyle..
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Have you seen the pattern? Drop a subject line that is sure to get some replies. As the subject gets more attention - the troll gets more obnoxious. Then when the whole forum is in an uproar and calling for him/her to be drawn and quartered, they drop out of sight.
Kyle pulled this same stunt a few years ago. He surfaces every so often under this name. He may even be a lot of other memorable names.
Mookie There are a lot of people in this world. Your standard of an I-dot aside, why stop with trains?
By overhauling the legal system so that idiots are held responsible for their own actions, it will apply to almost everything (I am using RR as examples for my point since this is the trains forum). Have you ever googled "dumbest lawsuits" or "stupid lawsuits"? If not you should, you'll get a few good laughs and a few that are so dumb, it doesn't make sense how the idiot was able to sue. There was one were a lady walked through soap suds. What happened? She slipped, then sued the city. And then she won the case. A perfect example of how the legal system is screwed up.
KyleMookie There are a lot of people in this world. Your standard of an I-dot aside, why stop with trains? By overhauling the legal system so that idiots are held responsible for their own actions, it will apply to almost everything (I am using RR as examples for my point since this is the trains forum). Have you ever googled "dumbest lawsuits" or "stupid lawsuits"? If not you should, you'll get a few good laughs and a few that are so dumb, it doesn't make sense how the idiot was able to sue. There was one were a lady walked through soap suds. What happened? She slipped, then sued the city. And then she won the case. A perfect example of how the legal system is screwed up.
Euclid Kyle, where is your tolerance? It sounds like you are filled with hate.
If the idiots did no harm, and could sue, I wouldn't care. But because they can sue, they cause great harm. First to who they sued, and then to the people who have common sense. What do I mean by that, idiots get our privileges taken away. Railroads are tough on trespassers, and even those that aren't trespassing. Idiots can cause things to get shut down.
In Hawaii, there are many places that are said to be beautiful, and there are cool stories about places. But because people can't take responsibility, the state has closed those places so you can't see them. All because of an idiot who could sue. I cannot see those places because of idiots, so yes I am frustrated at them.
Murphy SidingKyle Mookie There are a lot of people in this world. Your standard of an I-dot aside, why stop with trains? By overhauling the legal system so that idiots are held responsible for their own actions, it will apply to almost everything (I am using RR as examples for my point since this is the trains forum). Have you ever googled "dumbest lawsuits" or "stupid lawsuits"? If not you should, you'll get a few good laughs and a few that are so dumb, it doesn't make sense how the idiot was able to sue. There was one were a lady walked through soap suds. What happened? She slipped, then sued the city. And then she won the case. A perfect example of how the legal system is screwed up. So your idea of ridding the world of what you feel are *undesirables* would sort of constitute your plan for a *final solution*?
Kyle Mookie There are a lot of people in this world. Your standard of an I-dot aside, why stop with trains? By overhauling the legal system so that idiots are held responsible for their own actions, it will apply to almost everything (I am using RR as examples for my point since this is the trains forum). Have you ever googled "dumbest lawsuits" or "stupid lawsuits"? If not you should, you'll get a few good laughs and a few that are so dumb, it doesn't make sense how the idiot was able to sue. There was one were a lady walked through soap suds. What happened? She slipped, then sued the city. And then she won the case. A perfect example of how the legal system is screwed up.
I do not chose who is a undersirable, nor is it my solution. I didn't even come up with most of the plan. Mother Nature came up with the plan of natural selection. Nature is the one who is deciding the undesirables, and is creating a "final solution" as you would say. Fate chooses. Nature has done this for billions of years, before humans existed. It is the same as a weak animal dying. The animal is unable to get food so it dies. Just like an idiot isn't able to realize they are in a deadly situation, so they are killed.
All that we are doing is letting the idiots do what they want to. Most would support more "freedoms", to them, it is like saying "You can't drive your car, or ride a bike". The reason is they don't see the things they do as deadly.
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