Angela Pusztai-Pasternak BaltACD Angela Pusztai-Pasternak Hi, everybody: Can we please try to have a civil discussion? I hate to delete a thread that has as many pages as this one. I don't like to upset those who have valid points to share. If you continue attack each other, I will be forced to do so. C'mon, don't make me go there. We're all adults. Thanks, Ang Never been in a crew room have you? This BS is mild among men and their testosterone bumps. BaltACD, I've received several complaints from forum users about this thread. Ang
BaltACD Angela Pusztai-Pasternak Hi, everybody: Can we please try to have a civil discussion? I hate to delete a thread that has as many pages as this one. I don't like to upset those who have valid points to share. If you continue attack each other, I will be forced to do so. C'mon, don't make me go there. We're all adults. Thanks, Ang Never been in a crew room have you? This BS is mild among men and their testosterone bumps.
Angela Pusztai-Pasternak Hi, everybody: Can we please try to have a civil discussion? I hate to delete a thread that has as many pages as this one. I don't like to upset those who have valid points to share. If you continue attack each other, I will be forced to do so. C'mon, don't make me go there. We're all adults. Thanks, Ang
Hi, everybody:
Can we please try to have a civil discussion? I hate to delete a thread that has as many pages as this one. I don't like to upset those who have valid points to share. If you continue attack each other, I will be forced to do so. C'mon, don't make me go there. We're all adults.
Thanks,
Ang
Never been in a crew room have you? This BS is mild among men and their testosterone bumps.
BaltACD,
I've received several complaints from forum users about this thread.
Big boys don't complain - they deal with it.
That is why there is Private Messaging! Have a beef with someone - take it to PM's (not PMS)
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schlimm Sorry but I'm not going to play your or Murray's old and tired games or name-calling.
schlimm Lake schlimm Wow! A response of more than three words given by someone who contributes little but name-calling. "Kettle, meet pot." Wow, schlimm, that is even a low for you! Sorry but I'm not going to play your or Murray's old and tired games or name-calling.
Lake schlimm Wow! A response of more than three words given by someone who contributes little but name-calling. "Kettle, meet pot." Wow, schlimm, that is even a low for you!
schlimm Wow! A response of more than three words given by someone who contributes little but name-calling. "Kettle, meet pot."
Wow! A response of more than three words given by someone who contributes little but name-calling. "Kettle, meet pot."
Wow, schlimm, that is even a low for you!
Oh but Schlimm, you obviously forgot your prior post of treating people with respect. Your past posts of the last two pages suggest that you are hypocritical.
Are you hypocritical Schlimm?
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Murray The dear Professor is free to go to another forum site since he obviously feels so unloved here.
The dear Professor is free to go to another forum site since he obviously feels so unloved here.
No one said he was unloved. However, I am sure Kim Jung Un is more popular.
RRKen Murray schlimmI would hope that we can not only be civil in our posts but also tolerant of disagreements with each other and neither make personal attacks nor take criticism personally. Please Schlimm, you are the LAST person who should be preaching on this forum to any active poster here about being polite, not to mention making personal attacks. Many of your own comment are just downright acerbic. Spare us. The perfessor forgets his past history. Those of us who have memories (mine grows ever so short every day) do recall those wonderful words that were less than encouraging.
Murray schlimmI would hope that we can not only be civil in our posts but also tolerant of disagreements with each other and neither make personal attacks nor take criticism personally. Please Schlimm, you are the LAST person who should be preaching on this forum to any active poster here about being polite, not to mention making personal attacks. Many of your own comment are just downright acerbic. Spare us.
schlimmI would hope that we can not only be civil in our posts but also tolerant of disagreements with each other and neither make personal attacks nor take criticism personally.
Please Schlimm, you are the LAST person who should be preaching on this forum to any active poster here about being polite, not to mention making personal attacks.
Many of your own comment are just downright acerbic.
Spare us.
The perfessor forgets his past history. Those of us who have memories (mine grows ever so short every day) do recall those wonderful words that were less than encouraging.
tree68 gardendance You're welcome. And by the way, I don't expect anyone to respect me any more just because I'm a microsoft access visual basic and sql server programmer. With past experience with Basic, Qbasic, Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, and large routers under my belt (and fluent in a couple of them - or I was), you've got my respect...
gardendance You're welcome. And by the way, I don't expect anyone to respect me any more just because I'm a microsoft access visual basic and sql server programmer.
You're welcome. And by the way, I don't expect anyone to respect me any more just because I'm a microsoft access visual basic and sql server programmer.
With past experience with Basic, Qbasic, Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, and large routers under my belt (and fluent in a couple of them - or I was), you've got my respect...
I have a large router under by bed, does that count?
Also, I do not have any monitors in the trunk of my Caddilac.
BigJim EuclidI was told by the moderator that I should, “just let them play in the traffic until they do themselves in.” The only person that did themself in was you.
EuclidI was told by the moderator that I should, “just let them play in the traffic until they do themselves in.”
The only person that did themself in was you.
Hear Hear!!!!!!
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Security+ here........You both have my respect........
Many of your own comments are just downright acerbic.
Convicted One If one happens to be a moderator who is responsible for maintaining order here, then situationally if they project an image of NOT being in control, potentially they might lose their bright shiny tin star. So control has value, is such a scenario. Especially if he harbors concern that a favored group might get in a snit and pack up and leave on your watch. He might even tolerate their ad hominem attacks on others, while protecting that favored group from like kind treatment
If one happens to be a moderator who is responsible for maintaining order here, then situationally if they project an image of NOT being in control, potentially they might lose their bright shiny tin star.
So control has value, is such a scenario. Especially if he harbors concern that a favored group might get in a snit and pack up and leave on your watch.
He might even tolerate their ad hominem attacks on others, while protecting that favored group from like kind treatment
As I recall, that was the way things usually played out.
edblysardIf so, wanting to have control of this forum should be an indication of someone or some group having very little life outside of their laptop.
edblysardOh, and by the way, pick zugman, Water long over the dam, I'm afraid.
edblysardOh, and by the way, pick zugman,
Water long over the dam, I'm afraid.
Norm48327 Euclid Norm, There is no need to apologize. You are free to look at it any way you want. I do not take your comments as constructive criticism because I believe you are wrong on all points. As I said before, there were no posts removed from that thread by the moderator that were not off topic, nonsense, gibberish. There are examples of posts there today where people expressed strong disagreement with me. No posts of that nature were removed. Most of this removal of nonsense posts happened toward the end of the thread. This is what the moderator said on the forum during that phase: “OK guys, today alone I removed ten off topic posts from this thread and despite having been advised several times to keep the thread on topic. It's the same people every time (you know who you are) that are making the off topic postings. Now I'm telling you again, keep the thread on topic as per the subject title.” We have agreed to disagree. (Clink)
Euclid Norm, There is no need to apologize. You are free to look at it any way you want. I do not take your comments as constructive criticism because I believe you are wrong on all points. As I said before, there were no posts removed from that thread by the moderator that were not off topic, nonsense, gibberish. There are examples of posts there today where people expressed strong disagreement with me. No posts of that nature were removed. Most of this removal of nonsense posts happened toward the end of the thread. This is what the moderator said on the forum during that phase: “OK guys, today alone I removed ten off topic posts from this thread and despite having been advised several times to keep the thread on topic. It's the same people every time (you know who you are) that are making the off topic postings. Now I'm telling you again, keep the thread on topic as per the subject title.”
Norm,
There is no need to apologize. You are free to look at it any way you want. I do not take your comments as constructive criticism because I believe you are wrong on all points.
As I said before, there were no posts removed from that thread by the moderator that were not off topic, nonsense, gibberish. There are examples of posts there today where people expressed strong disagreement with me. No posts of that nature were removed. Most of this removal of nonsense posts happened toward the end of the thread. This is what the moderator said on the forum during that phase:
“OK guys, today alone I removed ten off topic posts from this thread and despite having been advised several times to keep the thread on topic. It's the same people every time (you know who you are) that are making the off topic postings. Now I'm telling you again, keep the thread on topic as per the subject title.”
We have agreed to disagree. (Clink)
Who give a rats patoot about threads wandering 'off topic' - that is the beauty of the net - it can take you places you would never have thought of. People and life are funny like that!
Wild zontargs couldn't make me go back and reread this thread.
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Just to see how much this thread has deteriorated, I went back to re-read Murphy's original post. It's amazing how a straightforward and sensible statement and request could trigger so much animosity. There was nothing controversial there in my opinion.
Something I heard many years ago stuck in my mind. (And no, it didn't die of loneliness.) If you let someone make you mad, you are letting him/her control you. If he or she is controlling how you think and act, they win.
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Dear God, people. Imagine how this would read to an outsider.
EuclidWhether the opposite is true, I have no way of knowing. But I am very surprised that Norm mentioned it as being a fact, and am astounded that Murphy Siding confirmed it.
There seems to be an attempt to alter what happened with that thread, but the record is clear. One railroader expressed disgust with the moderator's actions in placing some on moderation and removed many/most of his own posts. But later he returned. And the thread was locked and the juvenile, off-topic posts by the railroaders were removed.
And let's not pretend. The sarcastic references to "yes, but" refer not to Convicted One, nor to generic posters, but to Bucyrus/Bucky/Euclid. Whether based on history or not, they are rude.
Ed,
Yes I know you are speaking obliquely. This seems to have begun when Murphy Siding confirmed what Norm had said about moderators being told to favor the railroaders when they engaged in disputes with non-railroaders. I do not know if that is true, but I am very surprised if it is true. Then you said something to the effect that you felt it was just the opposite. As an example, you brought up a “dust up” where you felt that a non-railroader was given favoritism over the railroaders by a moderator.
You continued speaking obliquely, but several points you made about that dust up let me to believe you were referring to the one over the Lac Megantic thread last September. In any case, whatever dust up you are referring to, your reference to the “instigator” going unpunished while unjustly punishing the railroaders is exactly what you claimed had happened in your letter to Jim Wrinn which you posted after you and others had been placed on moderation for disruptive posting in the Lac Megantic thread. So all together, it seemed to me that you were referring to that dust up.
But if you are referring to some other dust up and instigator, so be it. I can’t guess what you are referring to. Perhaps it was the waving dust up or the fog dust up. In any case, I see no evidence that moderators have ever given preferential treatment to non-railroaders when they disagree with railroaders, as you say you have seen. It certainly did not happen during the Lac Megantic thread dust up.
Whether the opposite is true, I have no way of knowing. But I am very surprised that Norm mentioned it as being a fact, and am astounded that Murphy Siding confirmed it.
I am not so much surprised if it is true, but surprised that those two mentioned it.
Norm
Euclid,
I guess this means you are “coming out” and publicly admitting you are the former Bucyrus?
Great, but I am wondering…
If you are so proud of your former self’s actions, why didn’t you simply come back as Bucyrus?
That’s said, you are, by your own words, assuming.
I was speaking/replying to Convicted One, and speaking in generalities, using the “Yes but” threads only as an example of some posters actions, but if you think you resemble said poster and wish to take ownership of those examples, by all means, enjoy.
Larry, exactly, I see you grasped the last three paragraphs of my last post.
Lac Megantic, outside the rail industry, fits right about the level you said, for a oil related accident on a 10 scale, 3 maybe 4, but inside the industry, it is like Graniteville and the Californias UP/Metrolink accidents, it has become somewhat of a event horizon, in that the rules and regs that followed are truly the point of no return, in that they will not be rescinded but only added to, there is no going back from them, so we might as well embrace them and make them fit what we do.
Euclid, again….
Since there is no way to debate with you, and, as a side note, you slipped into a dance you were not invited to, and as you seem intent on turning everything into an argument, with yourself as the center of attention, I will retire from the floor, and leave you to joust with yourself, once again, enjoy.
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edblysard So, if Kalmbach as a company doesn’t gain anything from this conspiracy, then the moderators must have gotten something, right? Not sure what that would be, seeing as how Murphy had already quit being a mod, and Jeff Wimberley quit over this, as did another mod, so I doubt they “won” anything other than heartburn and headaches….and the folks who were moderated, most of whom were railroaders, I don’t see where we won anything either. So, again, if there is a conspiracy or a bias, who wins, and what do they win?
So, if Kalmbach as a company doesn’t gain anything from this conspiracy, then the moderators must have gotten something, right?
Not sure what that would be, seeing as how Murphy had already quit being a mod, and Jeff Wimberley quit over this, as did another mod, so I doubt they “won” anything other than heartburn and headaches….and the folks who were moderated, most of whom were railroaders, I don’t see where we won anything either.
So, again, if there is a conspiracy or a bias, who wins, and what do they win?
There appears to be some revisionist history in all the verbiage of exchanges. 1. The person who suggested a conspiracy was the former moderator who generally sides with a subset of the railroaders, not an outsider. 2. Jeff Wimberly, the moderator, was quite aware of the various disruptive tactics used by this subset of railroaders to get threads locked where they apparently did not like criticism of railroads, whether implicit or direct.
I would hope that we can not only be civil in our posts but also tolerant of disagreements with each other and neither make personal attacks nor take criticism personally.
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