I noticed on the lateat PDF of the US that there is now a column for source, however, I can no longer see notes about TT or RH
I have uploaded new files.
Unfortunately, the KMZ files will still not download from my webserver, so I have left those links out of this posting. You will get those files in the ZIP file if you want them.
I have compressed all 5 files into one ZIP file so MAYBE everybody can download them all in one swell foop.
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/RR%20Roundhouses.zip
That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP. There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.). And one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).
Here are links to the 3 individual files that will download:
Excel file of all the data: (Note: it is now saved as an "XLSX" file instead of a "XLS"... if this causes a problem for anyone, let me know and I will see if I can resave it in the older "XLS" format).
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xlsx
PDF of the Non-U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
PDF of the U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
Come and get'em if'n ya wants 'em. I suspect they may not exist at these locations in the not too distant future.
I also may not be updating them anymore. I want to thank all the individuals that have contributed to these lists (both publicly here and privately in several different backchannels).
If anyone wants to take over the maintanence of these files, please post here what you are doing so others can keep their lists up-to-date with your efforts.
Again, thank you all for your participation in this endeavour. :-)
Semper Vaporo
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NY Kingston 41.9526N 73.9920W TT & RH Removed Ex-NYC
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.9526&lon=-73.99200&z=16
There was also a U&D TT & RH at Rondout (SE of Kingston) in the area where the NY Trolley Museum is located but unsure of exact location.
Sometimes strange circumstances as to how I find these things...
Watching Iowa Public TV, "As Time Goes By" (British Comedy) and one of the characters mentioned getting a post card from 2 other characters that had traveled to someplace in Mongolia that was named Ooland Batar (as best as I could figure they said)... I wondered if such a place exists so I looked on Google Earth... found Ulaanbaatar is how it should be spelled and "BINGO"... looky der!
A turntable at: 47°54'27.15"N, 106°54'41.81"E
Followed the tracks South for quite a ways and there is another one, but this time
in Ulanqab, China at: 41° 2'40.86"N, 113° 5'16.77"E
I'll update the on-line files soon... maybe... when I get a round tuit.
In Washington, DC there use to be double turntables west of the present one listed. You can see them in Historic Aerials. In 1963 both were still there; In 1980 just one still was there and you could see the other's fan; In 2002 both of the old TTs were gone, an the present TT was installed to the east. The point where the two old TTs almost touched was 38° 55' 01.35" N 76° 59' 08.04" W
https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer
Unfortunately, the KMZ files will still not download from my webserver, so I have left those links out of this posting. You will get the files in the ZIP file.
That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP. There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.) now 20 pages each! And one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).
Semper Vaporo JustWonderin' Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN. Good info! Thanks. Corrections made. The online files will be updates "soon" (but don't go holdin' yer breath!).
JustWonderin' Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.
Good info! Thanks. Corrections made. The online files will be updates "soon" (but don't go holdin' yer breath!).
Confirming location. I checked out the boundaries of the cities involved. That yard is so big that it actually has parts in Flat Rock, Woodhaven and Brownstown Township, Michigan. The turntable and main service shops are all within Flat Rock. Woodhaven and Brownstown just have track.
JustWonderin'Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.
Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.
@ J Daniel...
Nice photos on the Wabash site.
Bluffs, IL. I think I see the spot you mean, but your coordinates are 22 miles southeast of Bluffs. ???
Stanberry, MO. I see where a RR yard might have been, South of Railroad St and West of Alanthus Ave., but not near enough evidence in the photo or on the ground to pick a spot to enter in the database.
Springfield, IL. Your coordinates put me just outside of an interchange of I-55 and Toronto Rd, south of Springfield. I do have a Roundhouse marked at:
39°47'29.11"N, 89°38'35.26"W
and that is marked as the Mass Transit facility (G.E. image from 4/13/1998 shows the RH).
Have at least 2 additions (possibly 3).
All are former Wabash and photos of the first 2 show at www.wabashrhs.org/p/historical-photos_24.html
Bluffs, Il 39.4506N -90.3225W located north side of west end of yard near where branch goes towards Meredosia. Couldn't find filled pit but the rubble leading to trees was the RH.
Stansberry, Mo Could not find evidence of where the RH and TT were located. RR has been gone for some time. Old Moberly Division "High Line" from Kelly to Council Bluffs.
Springfield, Il - 39.71053N -89.642964W TT and RH were located where Springfield Mass Transit District has their service facilities. They mwere still using several stalls of the old RH in the 70's.
Yeah, got that one, but you did add a second one in Brattleboro. Thanks.
Hi - The below link from Google Maps should open in a direct overhead shot of the facility. Off the top of my head I believe its lineage to be; B&M - Rutland - Central Vermont. If you aleready have this and it's a duplicate ... Mea Culpa.
Regards, Bob
https://www.google.com/maps/place/North+Walpole,+Walpole,+NH+03609/@43.1350057,-72.4390107,102m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e1a48a600e3c25:0x443c04678f099750!8m2!3d43.1390125!4d-72.447601
Thanks... but some questions...
I initially thought you were duplicating a couple of entries I already have... but I decided to try to verify them... found that the Brattleboro, VT site is a new one to the list, though not at all visible on G.E. (it would be underwater now!).
But I don't seen any evidence for another one in Nort Walpole, NH. Do you have any further info on that one?
Add to previous posting by me: Brattleboro, Vermont. (see: > http://vhist.com/calendars/railwindham/comments-more-on-the-pics/ <
I may be late to the races on this since admittedly I didn't take the time read every post. With that qualifer being said...... North Walpole, New Hampshire on the east side of the Connecticut River directly opposite Bellows Falls, Vermont.
tree68 MidlandMike What would you have used as an alternative to Google Earth? I like mapper.acme.com. It uses the Google satellite images, but you can flip over to topo maps, which can be very handy for figuring the lineage of a rail line, as some of the maps used are somewhat dated. And for railroad archeology, that's a good thing. Sometimes old RR structures, yards, etc, are still shown, and oftimes an old RR ROW is labelled as an old RR bed.
MidlandMike What would you have used as an alternative to Google Earth?
I like mapper.acme.com. It uses the Google satellite images, but you can flip over to topo maps, which can be very handy for figuring the lineage of a rail line, as some of the maps used are somewhat dated. And for railroad archeology, that's a good thing. Sometimes old RR structures, yards, etc, are still shown, and oftimes an old RR ROW is labelled as an old RR bed.
I use MyTopo which is similar to Acme Mapper, to change back and forth between satellite and topo.
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/
But I still use Google Earth because it has a lot more features for images. For RR archeology I use the USGS site:
https://nationalmap.gov/historical/index.html
and then select TopoView
It has all editions of all US topo maps ever made, although it is a little cumbersome to use. Suggest start with 1:62,000 scale
MidlandMikeWhat would you have used as an alternative to Google Earth?
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What would you have used as an alternative to Google Earth?
Thank you... that has returned the old G.E. to my PC... at least for the moment. I wonder if/when it will decide to update me again.
I think that you can download the old versions here:
https://support.google.com/earth/answer/168344?vid=0-362284356341-1503674462434
Not sure if that would fix your issue.
I knew they had updated the program because everytime they do it, my desktop icon is deleted from where I keep it, and recreated someplace else.
When I ran it, it would start but never got far enough to show the earth or load my KML files... it just stops with a black window where the earth is normally shown.
I decided to attempt to re-install the non-Pro version and went to the website. All it would do is install the Pro version and on the site it states "REQUIRES Chrome to operate" and would not download the Pro version without first installing Chrome.
BLAM BLAM... I hope they don't miss the toes they just shot off, I am sure they won't miss me.
Semper, looks like your computer updated to version 7.3.0 from 7.1.8 (which I have not yet, so I can't comment on that) which does involve going to Google Earth Pro as the standard version is apparently no longer supported. I've been running pro since it became free and there is no difference other than a few added features such as KML circles. It should theoretically still run as its own program according to the release notes. It looks like the earliest supported operating system is now Windows 7, so that might be your issue? I don't have Chrome either.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/opv-ok9poRI
I did likewise. Ditto Photobucket, altho' was never really happy with the latter, but it WAS FREE!
Thank You.
Well... Google has just shot themselves in the foot as far as I am concerned.
1st they forced the install of "Google Earth Pro" on my PC, then they just updated it again and it will only run using "Chrome" as the browser.
Protectionist NIH stupidity. I won't install Chrome, so I guess I am done ever using Google Earth ever again. I just uninstalled it from my PC. Couldn't even sent feedback to them to tell 'em goodbye!
If someone would like to take over this Roundhouse/Turntable database I HAD compiled, please volunteer here and enjoy yer self. I'm done!
BYE-BYE! (Well... just to this thread, not Trains.com!)
Thanks MidlandMike. I had a few minutes this morning so I updated the files and uploaded them to the server... the links above will still work to get these latest files. (No other changes).
ME Mattawamkeag 45°31'0.16"N 68°21'1.81"W TT gone No RH
I saw the TT when it was still there in the mid 1980s. The topo map shows the TT location. The outline is very faint in sat. image.
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=45.5157&lon=-68.35036&z=16
Also in Maine on your list, Yanceboro should be Vanceboro.
WHOOOO BOY! I am bleary-eyed now!
Spent most of yesterday playing catch-up on all the postings since my last update after I finished the Non-U.S. additions.
Special thanks to LokshuppenGER for his excellant list of Non-U.S. sites! Lots of hours in that list! From his list I added 465 to my list (I found 6 others on my own by accident... some were something I saw to the side while adding a site from his list!) Many of his were already in my list so that part went fast, but some of the others were a bear to prove (and a couple I just accepted on faith that what was listed was really a site to include!)
I must point out that LokshuppenGER has many more items in his list that I did not add to mine. He also lists general shop buildings, whereas my focus was on "Roundhouses". My list also combines Turntable and Roundhouse locations into one entry whereas his keeps them separate.
He also used a different symbol for each type of site (turntables are marked with a circle, buildings are marked with a engine in a portal and transfer tables are marked with a square... mine are all just yellow pushpins). I was torn as to whether I should go back and redo my list the same way but opted to convert all of his to my simpleton method (I'm lazy!).
There are 471 new Non-U.S. sites and 36 new U.S. sites (Thanks to MossRoad and Paul D. North Jr for most of those U.S. sites... I hope I have not left out thanking anybody... this has very much become a group effort!).
I also made a few corrections to both lists where someone contacted me that I had a name misspelled or even a wrong name applied (I stumbled upon a few all by myself!).
If anyone finds other mistakes in my list, I will correct them as they are pointed out to me. I have tried to proof-read the lists, but as bleary-eyed as I am now, I am sure I have missed a typo or two and there may be other mistakes.
I have uploaded new files for others to use.
That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP. There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.) and one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).
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