Thank you MidlandMike... interesting that the ground appears to have been plowed in 2007 and 2014 based on the rows of vegetation, yet the locations of the radial tracks still show on the ground in later years.
I will try to get the on-line files updated in a week or so.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Fairport Harbor/Painesville, OH, 41°45'17.05"N 81°16'1.83"W Former TT&RH
On Google Earth it can best be seen on early 2000s images.
Link to topo map:
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.7549&lon=-81.26615&z=16
New Town, ND; already in the list. Thanks, anyway.
Found a turntable in the town of New Town ND. It does not show on the USGS Topo Quad. It is at the end of a Soo Line Branch serving Grain Elevators. Looks like there might be the remains of a foundation of a small Engine House.
N 47 58' 42" W 102 29' 45" http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=47.97842,-102.49588&z=15&t=T
Steve
MidlandMike I saw MI, Petoskey on the Excel spreadsheet, but not on the PDF for USA.
The PDF's are printed from Excel, so it should be there unless you have an old PDF file. Try downloading it again.
I wish I could tie the Google Earth Places files (KMZ) to the Excel data directly, but they are maintained totally separately and errors/omissions could be in either that are not in the other, but the PDF's should track exactly with the Excel files.
1. I too wonder how long it takes to "process" these posts 2. I have watched your postings and enjoyed looking at the ones that are close by. 3. One of yours really has been a mystery to me (will detail later). 4. Wanna tease? 5. I know of a roundhouse that presently does not exist (but has a funny story associated w/it's past) 6. Can you find where it was in Malden MO? 7. Anxious to chat mike ....endmrw0807162127....
The ONE the ONLY/ Paragould, Arkansas/ None other, NOWHERE in the world/ Est. 1883 / formerly called The Crossing/ a portmanteau/ JW Paramore (Cotton Belt RR) Jay Gould (MoPac)/crossed at our town
I saw MI, Petoskey on the Excel spreadsheet, but not on the PDF for USA.
Two orders of business here:
1) I added the new items listed since the last update. Only the U.S. data were udated.
2) I have compressed all 5 files into one ZIP file so MAYBE everybody can download them all in one swell foop. No one answered as to whether they were able to download the KMZ files, but because it now seems to be broken (I am certain it used to work) because the hosting service is filtering out allowing that file extension to be downloaded, I thought I'd try the ZIP format.
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/RR%20Roundhouses.zip
That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP. I'll try the link myself to test it as soon as I post this missive.
Here are links to the individual files:
Excel file of all the data:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls
PDF of the Non-U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
KMZ of the Non-U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non-U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz
PDF of the U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
KMZ of the U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz
I found some more.... I found this page of BN yard maps
http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/maps.htm
and google earth'd all of them. That, and some blind luck and here you go.
ID, Avery, RH location 47°14'57.12"N 115°49'15.89"WSupporting document... supporting doc http://www.railroads-of-montana.com/Milwaukee_Road_Connections_Book.htm
IL, Centralia, TT and RH foundations - 2 38°32'36.90"N 89° 8'8.09"W
NV, Wadsworth, TT and RH foundation 39°37'58.28"N 119°17'15.52"W
MO, Chaffee, TT and RH foundations 37°11'7.86"N 89°38'55.58"WSupporting docs: http://www.semissourian.com/blogs/flynch/entry/62732
MT, Billings, RH Foundation 45°46'36.67"N 108°30'40.70"WSupporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/billings3.htm
MO, Hannibal, RH Foundation 39°42'20.62"N 91°20'57.38"WSupporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/hannibal.htm
MO, St. Joseph, TT foundation 39°44'14.68"N 94°51'13.15"WSupporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/stjoseph1.htm
WA, Centralia, TT and RH Foundations 2009 46°44'13.30"N 122°56'44.34"WSupporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/centrailia.htm
Semper Vaporo Norm48327 External hard drives are not expensive, and when your c drive takes a dump you don't lose them. Sure, but external drives can die just as a built-in one... besides, I have a laptop PC and the whole idea there is to have everything built-in to one compact unit and no "extra" (and attendant power and cabling) to have to drag along with it. Best is to have all files stored in at least 2 places and the automatic Back-up built-in to Windows 10 was SUPPOSED to do it for me on a periodic basis (I would plug in the external drive whenever I was at home and it would run for a while to make the copies)... unfortunately, it didn't backup ALL variable files, just some of them... I'm MAD!
Norm48327 External hard drives are not expensive, and when your c drive takes a dump you don't lose them.
External hard drives are not expensive, and when your c drive takes a dump you don't lose them.
Sure, but external drives can die just as a built-in one... besides, I have a laptop PC and the whole idea there is to have everything built-in to one compact unit and no "extra" (and attendant power and cabling) to have to drag along with it.
Best is to have all files stored in at least 2 places and the automatic Back-up built-in to Windows 10 was SUPPOSED to do it for me on a periodic basis (I would plug in the external drive whenever I was at home and it would run for a while to make the copies)... unfortunately, it didn't backup ALL variable files, just some of them... I'm MAD!
I feel for you. I was in I.T. for 25+ years. I quit and became a maintenance mechanic! Anyhow, yes, you should always have your files in two physical places. The hard drive on your computer, and an external drive that you back up regularly to. Cloud offers a 3rd cheap alternative. And a couple time a year, I back up my external drive to another external drive and keep that off-site (not in my house) for extra protection. Just be aware that you can redundancy yourself into the poorhouse.
Petoskey, MI, turntable (removed) CSX
45.3760832 -84.962858
Unfortunatly the site is now covered in condos. The turntable itself still exists; it was moved to Greenfield Village and shows on the list for Dearborn, MI
I visited the site in the 1970s when the turntable was still in its original position. The location was documented in a topo map:
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=45.3767&lon=-84.96331&z=16
I have quite a lot of time wrapped up in my .kml files on Google Earth, and save them to the 'My Documents' folder often to help avoid loss. I'm sure that you probably use the same method I do to allow you to upload them to your website, but if desired I can tell you how I save my files.
Norm
ACK!
My PC went floozie and I had to revert to the factory Windows 8.1 (which destroyed ALL my files!), then re-update to Windows 10, then copy back to the HDD all the backup files...
BUT... the backup software didn't do what I expected. It copied ALL files in my C:\USER... folders when I set it up back in January...
BUT... Only the "Documents" folder had changed files copied to the backup after the initial creation of the backup, so any changes I made that got stored in other folders were not backed-up!
Google Earth stores the "Places" info in the "appdata" folder, not in the "Documents" folder... thus I lost all of the updates and "setups" I made after January. All that work by MossRoad I'd have to re-copy to my files!
Not to worry... I had copied the Roundhouse Places data to my webspace so others could download it, so I figured I'd just download it myself and re-integrate it into the Places data...
OH NO! I can't get the system to FIND the file! When I click on the links "I have been providing" in this thread, I get the message "File not found!"... I can see the file when I log-in to my webspace, but again, when I try to fetch the file, "Not found!"...
I managed to mount the webspace to my Windows 10 PC as a remote drive and then I could download it, so I am back "close" to where I was (there were other Places folders that I had changed in the intervening months that I had not copied elsewhere, so I lost that stuff... not a big loss).
Anyway, this brings into question whether anyone has ever attempted to download the Google Earth "Places" (.kml) files from my webspace.
Has it ever worked for anybody? I thought I had tried it once and it worked, but my memory is not what it never was to begin with.
Please respond, yea or nay. Maybe it is still a problem with my latest installation of Winders that I need to fix.
If others have run into this problem I think I have a way to rename the files to something else (maybe ".txt") that my WebSpace provider will not filter out, and I can provide instructions on how to rename the files back to end in ".kml" so they can be merged with anyone's Places folder.
Here's a yard map of the Appleyard in Wenatcheehttp://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/appleyard.htm
Semper Vaporo MossRoad WA, Wenatchee, Roundhouse and turntable foundations 47°23'35.22"N 120°17'33.77"W Do you have any other evidence of this one? I see just an arc on the ground in images since 2002, but in the 2 previous images ('90 and '98) the arc is not nearly as curved (granted the resolution is much worse that could be masking the curve). However! In the 1990 images I see a vague outline of two concentric circular areas (light ring around a dark dot in the center) North of your coords, at: 47°23'48.77"N 120°17'33.16"W Still not enough for me to add that one either, but corraborating evidence would be helpful in either spot! Oh yeah... maybe I should have begun with, "He's baaa-ack!"
MossRoad WA, Wenatchee, Roundhouse and turntable foundations 47°23'35.22"N 120°17'33.77"W
WA, Wenatchee, Roundhouse and turntable foundations
47°23'35.22"N 120°17'33.77"W
Glad you are back! Thanks for adding all those, I appreciate it.
The Wenatchee is also referred to as South Wenatchee and sometimes as Appleyard.
I found three more yesterday....
ND, Devils Lake RH location visible well in 1997 view. 48° 7'6.18"N 98°52'19.14"WIts in an area now called Roundhouse Park and there's several references to it in google searches. There's another circle to the south/east a few hundred feet away. Almost looks like a turntable site. Can't prove it, yet, though.
ND, Overly, RH foundation and TT 48°40'46.64"N 100° 9'7.93"WFound this one while looking over a PDF of the Great Northern Railway system track charts. Its located here, but its a huge PDF, about 36M in size. Neat document.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjap_3q54POAhVi6YMKHXG9DtUQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmultimodalways.org%2Fdocs%2Frailroads%2Fcompanies%2FGN%2FGN%25201909-67%2520SYSTEM%2520TRACK%2520CHARTS.pdf&usg=AFQjCNG8rSLjOw7yTvfiu7g9r_MEjPD5CQ&bvm=bv.127521224,d.amc
Last one for tonight is in Minot, ND.ND, Minot, RH foundation 48°14'19.67"N 101°17'36.26"WIts outer ring is visible in that parking lot in several years, some not in others. Apparently its an EPA cleanup site...
https://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/fii_query_detail.disp_program_facility?p_registry_id=110056220147
Here's a yard map as proof of location.http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/minot1.htm
The other end of the Cascade Tunnel electrification was at Skykomish, where the electric to steam engine change took place. Here is a photo of the roundhouse:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/skinnydip2014/23727128126
Unfortunatly the RH burned down on 1939, and there does not seem to be any trace left. The link has both topo map and satellite view:
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=47.7087&lon=-121.3579&z=16
Wenatchee was where the engine change from steam to electric was done, at the base of the Cascade Tunnel grade.
Files updated and posted... same URL links as before, but I'll repeat them here.
Note the Non-U.S. files have not changed this time.
Excel spreadsheet file (XML). This contains all the data in 2 sheets in one file. Click the tab at the bottom of the Excel window to select U.S. or non-U.S. data:
The Non-U.S. data is duplicated in two files. One is a printable PDF text file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.)
The other is a Google Earth KMZ file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.)
The U.S. data is also duplicated in two files. One is a printable PDF text file:
The other is a Google Earth KMZ file:
Use them as you see fit.
Norm48327 I found this: "BNR officials said 71 freight cars near the blast site were destroyed and 101 others were damaged. In addition, six buildings inside the rail yard were demolished. A large disused roundhouse, less than 100 yards from the blast, absorbed the much of the concussion and protected many nearby homes from heavy damage. The rail yard was soon repaired and switching operations resumed within days of the disaster. " Link to whole article: http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8154 Yep, there WAS a roundhouse there.
I found this:
"BNR officials said 71 freight cars near the blast site were destroyed and 101 others were damaged. In addition, six buildings inside the rail yard were demolished. A large disused roundhouse, less than 100 yards from the blast, absorbed the much of the concussion and protected many nearby homes from heavy damage. The rail yard was soon repaired and switching operations resumed within days of the disaster. "
Link to whole article: http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8154
Yep, there WAS a roundhouse there.
Yes... apparenty there WAS one there someplace! Your coords make more sense as to the building location that may have protected some other homes. I am going to add it.
MossRoad OK, Enid, TT and RH foundations 36°24'20.85"N 97°53'12.48"W Just looked like a big hole in OK that should have a roundhouse. hahaha
OK, Enid, TT and RH foundations
36°24'20.85"N 97°53'12.48"W
Just looked like a big hole in OK that should have a roundhouse. hahaha
Yes, that just looks like where one should be... and in the 9/26/2011 image there is evidence of half of the TT ring and a small arc foundation opposite that which looks like part of a corresponding RH.
This one I will add.
MO, Thayer, RH foundation 36°31'33.91"N 91°32'15.28"W
MO, Chaffee, TT and RH foundations 37°11'7.86"N 89°38'55.58"W
MO, Bismarck, TT and RH foundations 37°45'52.71"N 90°37'21.63"W
ND, Harvey, TT and RH visible 1995 47°46'10.33"N 99°55'45.38"W
ND, Wishek, TT and RH foundations 46°15'44.03"N 99°33'49.67"W
ND, Hankinson, RH and TT visible 1990 46° 4'20.47"N 96°54'25.13"W
Came across mention of this one while reading about others, so I didn't find it.
It may be called Pearl, but I can't find it on the list.
OR, Portland, TT and RH foundation visible 1990 45°31'52.19"N 122°40'50.77"W
Apparently there were was one on the east side of the Truckee river, and they moved it to this location.
A busy night... hope everyone enjoyed the 4th.
KY, Princeton, RH foundation37° 6'50.55"N 87°53'45.94"W
MO, Newburg, TT and RH foundations37°54'42.94"N 91°54'14.75"W
WA, Lamont, RH and TT foundations47°11'54.84"N 117°55'1.92"W
OR, La Grande, TT and RH foundations45°19'52.62"N 118° 5'34.86"W
OR, Huntington, TT and RH foundations44°21'10.04"N 117°16'16.75"W
WY, Greybull, RH foundation 1994
44°29'8.16"N 108° 3'28.37"W
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