Murray,
That one '68 that was highlighted was a Rambler "American", the lower priced model to the Ambassador. I don't know what AMC did with that "American" model name and body.
Bruce
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AgentKidI've often thought that if a guy could find and restore a '68 Rambler Ambassador, it might actually be worth real money. Bruce
Every once in a while you can find one on eBay. In the past I've come across some nice '65 Ambassador 990 sedans and convertables.
Even found some Rambler Marlin's:
http://tinyurl.com/3hjzvlk
AgentKid Murray: On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's. That was the continuation of how it was before AMC was formed, for those three years, until AMC could get its' act together. Rambler was a model name of Nash cars, like Impala is to Chevrolet. Rambler was the model name under AMC. Hornet was a model of Hudson. Those Hornets of the '60's, '70's, '80's, and '90's are in a category unto themselves. They are the only model sold under three different brand names. The first year that body was built was in '68, and sold as a Rambler Ambassador, the last year the Rambler name was used. Then of course it was the AMC Hornet. Finally, after Chrysler bought AMC, it was sold for a couple of years as an Eagle something or other. I've often thought that if a guy could find and restore a '68 Rambler Ambassador, it might actually be worth real money. Bruce
Murray: On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's.
On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's.
That was the continuation of how it was before AMC was formed, for those three years, until AMC could get its' act together. Rambler was a model name of Nash cars, like Impala is to Chevrolet. Rambler was the model name under AMC. Hornet was a model of Hudson.
Those Hornets of the '60's, '70's, '80's, and '90's are in a category unto themselves. They are the only model sold under three different brand names. The first year that body was built was in '68, and sold as a Rambler Ambassador, the last year the Rambler name was used. Then of course it was the AMC Hornet. Finally, after Chrysler bought AMC, it was sold for a couple of years as an Eagle something or other.
I've often thought that if a guy could find and restore a '68 Rambler Ambassador, it might actually be worth real money.
Bruce, I have some friends down here that restore Hudson's. Hudson collectors will tell you that that(AMC) Rambler cars built by Hudson and badged (for example the 1955 Custom) as such are referred to as "Hash's".
Murray On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's.
Murray Murray: Modelcar: ....Another incident that mixed things up in automobiles....The distruction by fire of the Hydra-matic plant in Mi., back about 1953 Pontiacs with Powerglade trainsmissions....Believe it even extended to Oldsmobile's using Dynaflow transmissions as well, and perhaps a few other different combinations in GM cars. Can't remember if it spread to others like Kaiser / Frazier....and a few others using the Hydra-matic transmission. Morning Quentin: Both Nash and Hudson used Hydramatic's in their respective models. Ramblers of the newly created American Motors Corporation (AMC), formed from the merger of Nash and Hudson, also used Hydramatic's, I believe, through 1956 or 1957. On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's. I believe Packard may also have used the Hydramatic as well for a time. I do know that by the mid-50's Packard was calling their automatic transmission the "Ultramatic". Actually, I stand corrected...The Ultramatic was a uniquely Packard product. Here is some backgorund information on it: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,2495513 And here is background information on the Hydramatic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydramatic
Murray: Modelcar: ....Another incident that mixed things up in automobiles....The distruction by fire of the Hydra-matic plant in Mi., back about 1953 Pontiacs with Powerglade trainsmissions....Believe it even extended to Oldsmobile's using Dynaflow transmissions as well, and perhaps a few other different combinations in GM cars. Can't remember if it spread to others like Kaiser / Frazier....and a few others using the Hydra-matic transmission. Morning Quentin: Both Nash and Hudson used Hydramatic's in their respective models. Ramblers of the newly created American Motors Corporation (AMC), formed from the merger of Nash and Hudson, also used Hydramatic's, I believe, through 1956 or 1957. On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's. I believe Packard may also have used the Hydramatic as well for a time. I do know that by the mid-50's Packard was calling their automatic transmission the "Ultramatic".
Modelcar: ....Another incident that mixed things up in automobiles....The distruction by fire of the Hydra-matic plant in Mi., back about 1953 Pontiacs with Powerglade trainsmissions....Believe it even extended to Oldsmobile's using Dynaflow transmissions as well, and perhaps a few other different combinations in GM cars. Can't remember if it spread to others like Kaiser / Frazier....and a few others using the Hydra-matic transmission.
....Another incident that mixed things up in automobiles....The distruction by fire of the Hydra-matic plant in Mi., back about 1953
Pontiacs with Powerglade trainsmissions....Believe it even extended to Oldsmobile's using Dynaflow transmissions as well, and perhaps a few other different combinations in GM cars.
Can't remember if it spread to others like Kaiser / Frazier....and a few others using the Hydra-matic transmission.
Morning Quentin:
Both Nash and Hudson used Hydramatic's in their respective models. Ramblers of the newly created American Motors Corporation (AMC), formed from the merger of Nash and Hudson, also used Hydramatic's, I believe, through 1956 or 1957.
I believe Packard may also have used the Hydramatic as well for a time. I do know that by the mid-50's Packard was calling their automatic transmission the "Ultramatic".
Actually, I stand corrected...The Ultramatic was a uniquely Packard product.
Here is some backgorund information on it:
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,2495513
And here is background information on the Hydramatic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydramatic
Yes.........and after the Hydra-matics, AMC came to Warner Gear of BWA to use our automatics. I worked in the Lab that developed them. That was the Lab the Warner Gear Over Drive {for a manual transmission} originated and was developed from. Also the WG T-10 manual 4-speed trany.
And on Packard's Ultramatic and Twin Ultramatic units of their own...Future Chevrolet General Mgr., John DeLoren back then, helped develop those Ultramatic units. They operated some what similar to Buick's Dynaflow units....Multiple turbine units in the torque converter multiplied torque, and effectively made an infinite higher ratio as speed increased. Could also be put in "Low" to use a gearset to provide a low ratio for "rapid" starts.
Quentin
tree68The problem was that the car had been used for "cold start" tests. In order to simulate what would happen to an engine if the owner only drove it short distances all the time, they would start it up and drive it until the "Cold" light (remember them?) went out. It would then be parked for a period of time and the same thing done over.
Larry...I remember the green "Cold" LIght in the Pontiacs we had in the family.
Ford also had a blue "Cold" light...from '65 until (I think) '67.
Murray Modelcar: ....Another incident that mixed things up in automobiles....The distruction by fire of the Hydra-matic plant in Mi., back about 1953 Pontiacs with Powerglade trainsmissions....Believe it even extended to Oldsmobile's using Dynaflow transmissions as well, and perhaps a few other different combinations in GM cars. Can't remember if it spread to others like Kaiser / Frazier....and a few others using the Hydra-matic transmission. Morning Quentin: Both Nash and Hudson used Hydramatic's in their respective models. Ramblers of the newly created American Motors Corporation (AMC), formed from the merger of Nash and Hudson, also used Hydramatic's, I believe, through 1956 or 1957. On a side note, Ramblers were built by AMC, but between 1955 through the 1957 model year, they were badged as either Nash's or Hudson's. I believe Packard may also have used the Hydramatic as well for a time. I do know that by the mid-50's Packard was calling their automatic transmission the "Ultramatic".
Here is some background information on it:
Modelcar ....Another incident that mixed things up in automobiles....The distruction by fire of the Hydra-matic plant in Mi., back about 1953 Pontiacs with Powerglade trainsmissions....Believe it even extended to Oldsmobile's using Dynaflow transmissions as well, and perhaps a few other different combinations in GM cars. Can't remember if it spread to others like Kaiser / Frazier....and a few others using the Hydra-matic transmission.
Both Nash and Hudson used Hydramatics' in their respective models. Ramblers of the newly created American Motors Corporation (AMC), formed from the merger of Nash and Hudson, also used Hydramatic's, I believe, through 1956 or 1957.
Cars and engines -
When my father worked at GM's proving grounds in Michigan they had a program under which employees could purchase some of the test cars when GM was done with them.
Dad was able to purchase a '63 Olds.
The problem was that the car had been used for "cold start" tests. In order to simulate what would happen to an engine if the owner only drove it short distances all the time, they would start it up and drive it until the "Cold" light (remember them?) went out. It would then be parked for a period of time and the same thing done over.
When they got done, they decided to keep the engine itself for further inspection.
Since they were going to sell the car, they had to put a motor back in it, but they didn't have another '63 Olds motor available. They did, however, have a '64 engine on hand, so they installed that.
In those days, not only the styling but many of the parts changed from year to year, which caused no end of trouble when buying parts for maintenance...
"Yeah - it's a '63, but it's got a '64 motor in it..."
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Modelcar Murray........The Corvette Jean and I had fun with, is the one pic. as my Avatar. That was our first trip down to Florida. Back in 1959.
Murray........The Corvette Jean and I had fun with, is the one pic. as my Avatar. That was our first trip down to Florida. Back in 1959.
That's a mighty nice looking car there Quentin.....
Modelcar Hmmm.....A couple of car guys here....Interesting. Yes, remembering back decades ago, occasionally we'd see {in Pennsylvania}, some Canadian "Fords", and note the details of difference. And on the confussion of GM engines and court cases years ago....Isn't it ironic between then and now, referring to Cadillac with the "Chevrolet engines" back roughly in the '70's....Now, Cadillac advertises "the fastest 4-dr. sedan", and it uses the 556 hp supercharged engine {similar to}, the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1...{of course, it's not called Chevrolet engine, no doubt referring to it as a GM engine}. One other bit of trivia: Referring to the "blue & green" engines of 400 ci....GM. Back in the 70's Chevrolet offered two "400 ci." V8 engines of different design. The 400 small block......and the 400 big block. Actually the big block was 402 ci. but it was "ID'd", right on the car as a 400. Mouse motor & Rat motor. That caused us a problem many years ago down in Florida when a fan belt failed, and trying to explain "what engine" we needed it for.....I had the Rat motor.
Hmmm.....A couple of car guys here....Interesting.
Yes, remembering back decades ago, occasionally we'd see {in Pennsylvania}, some Canadian "Fords", and note the details of difference.
And on the confussion of GM engines and court cases years ago....Isn't it ironic between then and now, referring to Cadillac with the "Chevrolet engines" back roughly in the '70's....Now, Cadillac advertises "the fastest 4-dr. sedan", and it uses the 556 hp supercharged engine {similar to}, the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1...{of course, it's not called Chevrolet engine, no doubt referring to it as a GM engine}.
One other bit of trivia: Referring to the "blue & green" engines of 400 ci....GM. Back in the 70's Chevrolet offered two "400 ci." V8 engines of different design. The 400 small block......and the 400 big block. Actually the big block was 402 ci. but it was "ID'd", right on the car as a 400. Mouse motor & Rat motor.
That caused us a problem many years ago down in Florida when a fan belt failed, and trying to explain "what engine" we needed it for.....I had the Rat motor.
Quentin, I have a friend out here who has a '71 Corvette. Its been a real "labor of love" for him.
He's always joking..."sure I can take her out...but I have to be sure "AAA" is close by"
It is a nice looking car though.
Eleanor Roosevelt would like to extend to all the fathers out there a most pleasant safe and Happy Fathers Day!
Murray, that changed at various times over the years. The nicest car my dad every owned IMO was a 1974 Pontiac Parisienne Brougham. It may have been built on a Chevrolet frame, but that car was a bearcat to get fixed. It was built after GM lost that case about their engines being brand specific, and then had to call them all "GM Engines". In our case this car had US 'spec" Buick running gear. From the fan blade through the transmission to the muffler to the exhaust tip. From the first time my Dad had the oil and filter changed, and it took 5 Imperial quarts. of oil instead of four, he had to make sure the mechanics knew what they were dealing with. He didn't deal with the dealership. Eventually, it became generally know there were two types of 400 CID engines, "orange" and "blue". Ours was a blue.
We had a hardtop tent trailer then, and that car handled it like there was nothing there compared to the 1965 Pontiac we had before, with a 283. That car was all Chev all the way.
Good Morning Bruce:
Yes, you're right about the Canadian built Pontiacs. GM made them by placing the Pontiac body over a Chevrolet frame and provided them with a Chevrolet V8 and Power-Glide transmission.
If you parked a Pontiac Laurentian next to a Pontiac Catalina, you can see the difference, especially in the wheelbase.
At one time we had a Canadian-built Pontiac... a 1970 Tempest... good little car.
$90.33 for an AM Radio in the Riviera. Oh My!
Actually I'm not sure we saw 1964 Riviera's until some years later. The Canada/US Autopact wasn't in force until 1965. Before then there were definite differences in the Big 3 products between the two countries. Some large, some smaller.
There were Avanti's from the get-go I think.
Quentin mentioned on another thread about owning a '62 Chevrolet SuperSport. In Canada, to compete against that model Pontiac had the Parisienne Custom Sport, which I found out later was sort of a cross between a US only Bonneville and a GTO.
I bought a series of US carmaker history books about ten years ago and was showing them to my Mother. As I had suspected, the taillight treatment on our 1953 Pontiac Laurentiene was completely different than what was done in the US.
Actually, I always thought it would be funny to own a house in a US suburb with a big front driveway and have a Meteor Rideau 500, a Mercury pickup, and a Fargo pickup parked out there and watch the neighbours reactions trying to figure out what was going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61mG5xD8HY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pYlen4PaA
Liked the film. The Roadmaster at Irricana, AB bought a 1960 Studebaker Lark new and kept it when he left in late 1964. My Dad thought it was a strange thing at the time, but told me later it must have been a good car because as far as he knew it started every time that fellow went out to use it Year round in Canadian winters. Nearest dealership was in Calgary, 45 miles away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEDAMwkcxo&feature=related
http://www.mediafetcher.com/v/115043
.....An interesting column and well {and clearly}, written.
Isn't the LIbyan desert where the "Lady Be Good" WWII aircraft was found about a decade or so ago...and almost intact, from it's landing....
She wrote a column about Libya in 1955.
http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/myday/displaydoc.cfm?_y=1955&_f=md003172
Murray I can't help but wonder if the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt is at the UN today watching the debate over Libya........
I can't help but wonder if the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt is at the UN today watching the debate over Libya........
I wonder what she would have thought about what they will decide.
Lou Hoover....
Edith Wilson Day?
Eleanor Roosevelt wishes you all a very happy President's Day!
I will keep looking for a link to such a war effort comment concerning an at the time ally.
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