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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:30 AM

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 Bucyrus:
All I am asking is this:  Do we have a military defense system that will, with certainty, detect a foreign submarine 35 miles off of our coast?  And if such a submarine fired a missile, 35 miles off of our coast, would our defense system detect that?  If so, how would our military react?
Anyone ever see/read "The Hunt for Red October"? 

And /or the following, also by Tom Clancy:

Red Storm Rising; The Sum of All FearsDebt of Honor; and perhaps others.

Short answer - yes.  Penn State at State College, PA used to offer courses in sonar design and analysis - though I have no idea why there, since it was so far inland - except that it really involves electrical signals and the processing of same to differentiate the true 'signal' from the spurious 'noise', and the physical oceanographic conditions that promote or degrade the transmission of sound waves in water, such as thermocline layers, 'covergence zones', and the like - which is way beyond anything I really understand.

- Paul North. 

P.S. As for the UFO theory, as one of Clancy's characters - Capt. Robby Jackson - said in Patriot Games "That ain't even clever, boy." - PDN. 

"This Fascinating Railroad Business" (title of 1943 book by Robert Selph Henry of the AAR)
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:15 AM

The most obvious culprit is China.  They wanted us to see the missile launch, and see how close to California they could pull it off.  They are very irritated over our new QE2 fed monetary policy.   It will basically rip them off as holders of our debt.  A few years ago, they threatened to nuke Los Angeles over some other much less significant little issue they were unhappy about.  So when they saber-rattle, they seem to think of California. 

 

Our officials got the message, but they don’t want to tell us, because if our public finds out, it will intensify China’s message.  More importantly, it would raise a call for some kind of response to China.  Moreover, if our country publicly called China on the launch, they could just deny it.  Or, if we recovered pieces of a Chinese missile, they could say that we staged it to make China look bad.   

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Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:16 AM

When does a missile launch off a railroad car in Western Nebraska and our military claims no knowledge?

Stealth containers from Asia. Top load only.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:12 AM

      Maybe, it's the work of those folks that are messing with our precious bodily fluids? Mischief

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:37 AM

Looking at the video, I don’t think that was a jet.  It had a rocket trajectory, and one massive contrail.  It looked like every rocket launch I have ever seen.  It is laughable to conclude that it could have been the work of a rocket hobbyist, as has been suggested by some experts. 

 

It is possible that the U.S. military could have launched a missile for some reason that they want to keep secret from the public.  But, if so, one might have expected them to do it in a way that the public would not have been able to see it.

 

No, that was a message to us, or a test of our response by either Russia, China, or Iran.  Our military got the message, but they don’t want to share it with the public.

 

I am surprised that the authorities have not yet told us that it was simply a UFO sighting.

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:09 AM

Bucyrus
All I am asking is this:  Do we have a military defense system that will, with certainty, detect a foreign submarine 35 miles off of our coast?  And if such a submarine fired a missile, 35 miles off of our coast, would our defense system detect that?  If so, how would our military react?

Anyone ever see/read "The Hunt for Red October"?

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Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:07 AM

"The new searches are done with screeners' hands sliding over a passenger's body. However, the searches require screeners to touch passengers' breasts and genitals. And that's prompting some fliers and the American Civil Liberties Union to question the policy's intrusiveness and effectiveness."

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/2010-10-29-tsa-pat-downs_N.htm

A pilot enraged over treatment at LAX getting to altitude ASAP?

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:59 AM

     On our local, 10 o'clock news last night, the feed from the network ended with a pronouncement that the authorities didn't know what it was. but that it wasn't a national security issue.  They  cut directly to the local anchor, who had his head cocked to the side and a quizical look on his face.  He said " How do they know it's not a national security risk, if they don't know what it is?"  Indeed.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:52 AM

Now they are saying that is was an optical illusion, in order to explain why a jet contrail would look like the jet flew up out of the ocean. 

 

All I am asking is this:  Do we have a military defense system that will, with certainty, detect a foreign submarine 35 miles off of our coast?  And if such a submarine fired a missile, 35 miles off of our coast, would our defense system detect that?  If so, how would our military react?

 

The strangest part of this story is the way the authorities are doing contortions in order to convince the public that this did not happen.  How can they tell us that it is nothing to worry about if they can’t explain what it was?

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Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:30 AM

"In the deputy secretary’s telling, Project Laffarenz involved using U-boats to tow a battery of V-2s across the Atlantic on submersible barges. “Once within striking distance of the East Coast, the V-2 carrying containers would be flooded with water, righting launch tubes,” he said. “The Germans got as far as building a carrying container at the Baltic port at Elbing before the allied assault stopped any deployment.”

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/03/danger-room-mythbuster-nazi-rocket-barge-sunk/

This would have spoiled Eleanor's day.

It was probably not one of these launched off Los Angeles.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 8:55 PM

I have been following the story of the mystery missile fired yesterday off the coast of California.  I am struck by the fact that the story seems to be shrinking hour by hour.  It started out as a confident report of a missile firing.  However, I detect a concerted effort to backpedal the story almost to the point that it never even happened.  Now they are saying that it was a jet contrail, or that it was the work of a missile hobbyist.

 

So I have a question for you military experts.  Could a foreign submarine have gotten that close to the U.S. and fired a missile without our military detecting the submarine or the firing of the missile?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 6, 2010 10:48 AM

Have a downright-upright Eleanor Roosevewlt Saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fUNSBvNur4&feature=related

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:47 PM

Eleanor does not care for NIMBYs...

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:44 PM

Barrington continues to try to put toothpaste back into the tube through the oriface from which it came out. 

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:57 AM

Hope you all are enjoying a fine "Eleanor Roosevelt" Halloween weekend.........

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Posted by Victrola1 on Monday, October 18, 2010 7:17 AM

Beaver and Wally were such nice boys. They never left logs, or steel pipes across  the railroad tracks. June and Ward Cleaver were good parents.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:05 PM

"Ward...What did the Beaver mean when he said "Hi Mom?"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by RRKen on Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:26 PM

How sad, another example of decency gone.  

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:19 PM
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 16, 2010 6:17 PM

Breaking News!!!!

This Just in....Actress Barbara Billingsley of "Leave It To Beaver" and "Airplane" fame) has died at the age of 94:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/arts/television/17billingsley.html?_r=1&hp

 

 

 

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Monday, September 20, 2010 4:55 PM

Victrola1

Lend Lease HSR.

Eleanor and Franklin extended lend lease to "backward" China. China need the tools of war to fight Japan. Will China extend lend lease to "backward" California in their fight against gridlock. California wants high speed rail.

Apparently California "wants" (or is obligated to pay for) a lot of things it can no longer afford.  And Illinois is not far behind. 

Would Cal. or any other state want/need HST between L.A. and S.F. badly enough to let a foreign company from a foreign country design the eqiupment, then build and/or operate the line?  It has happened elsewhere. 

 

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Posted by Victrola1 on Monday, September 20, 2010 7:44 AM

Lend Lease HSR.

Eleanor and Franklin extended lend lease to "backward" China. China need the tools of war to fight Japan. Will China extend lend lease to "backward" California in their fight against gridlock. California wants high speed rail.

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Posted by Convicted One on Friday, September 17, 2010 9:08 PM

schlimm

Who is actually getting hurt by this?   

 

Well, since you ask, I'll paint a hypothetical scenario, suppose the city was Covington KY, and intended to use the carbon credits proceeds to pay Washington Lobbyists to pester the powers that be to make CSX paint their bridges. Broken Heart

Here would be a situation where the funds would be totally immune from political pressure that any pro railroad forces might otherwise try to muster  intending to cut the  source of funding off,

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 17, 2010 3:16 PM
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Posted by Victrola1 on Friday, September 17, 2010 2:06 PM

Did Aunt Minnie file a rate increase protest?

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, September 17, 2010 1:42 PM

      "Is my aunt Minnie in there?" --

The stateroom scene was very funny, a classic. It was in the Marx Bros.'  A Night at the Opera

 

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Posted by Victrola1 on Friday, September 17, 2010 11:51 AM

The state room scene is an interesting analogy to regulation. You pile more and more on until the recipient is unable to function. 

Given the general quality of sequels, is the proposed 21st Century remake of the I. C. C. liable to be worse than Nightmare on Elm Street XXXIII?

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:06 PM

No, that would be  "The Coacoanuts" (lol) 

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:04 PM

No, that would be "A Day at the Races" (lol). 

 

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