Railroad History Quiz Game (Come on in and play)

[KCSfan]

WAG    the Land 'O Corn?

Sorry but no the train in question didn't run on the Iowa Div. For that matter it didn't run on the Illinois Div or on the Chicago - New Orleans main line either.

Mark 

[J. Edgar]

WAG    the Land 'O Corn?

[CShaveRR]

You guys go on without me--I'll be in the Land Where the Trains Have Disappeared for a day or two (a train called the Mercury used to go up that way, sort of).

[KCSfan]

Carl was the first to name the JWRiley as one of the trains which ran behind streamlined steam over 54 miles of ICRR trackage between Kankakee and Central Station from the time it was inagurated until early in WW2. However both he and later Al-in-Stockton identified the engine as a 4-6-4 when it was actually No. 4917 a Big Four (NYC) K-5b 4-6-2.

Al metioned the Mercury which I am embarassed to say I completely forgot about when I originally asked the question. This Michigan Central (NYC) train did, for a time, in fact run behind streamlined steam over the IC for the final 13 miles from 115th St to Central Station.

2 down and one to go. No one has yet mentioned the train headed by a semi-streamlined steam locomotive. Hint: It was an IC train and engine.

Al-in-Chicago, I owe you an apology. I thought your question about the price of the insulator had been answered or I wouldn't have jumped in with this current question.

Mark

 

 

 

[Anonymous]

Only a limited number of railroads Portland - Seattle. So I took a shot in the dark.

having fun as always.

Rgds IGN

IGN

Inspite of its name the Spokane Portland and Seattle did not serve Seattle as the two roads that owned the SP&S the Great Northern and Northern Pacific both served Portland from Seattle. The GN transcontinental trains Portland sections were forwarded to Portland from Spokane by the SP&S and the NP transcontinental trains Portland sections were forwarded from Pasco to Portland by the SP&S.

Al - in - Stockton

Like I said a shot in the dark. I think the end of the barrel was pointed down.

Getting shot in the foot is supposed to hurt.

Thx & Rgds IGN

[passengerfan]

Here's the next question and it's passenger related but maybe one that may make even Al-in-Stockton ponder on for a bit.

Only two streamlined steam locomotives ever ran regularly on the Illinois Central. One was fully streamlined and the other semi-streamlined. What were their wheel arrangements and what trains did they head?

Mark

Mark I am going to guess the NYC Mercury using 4-6-2 streamlined Pacifics initially and the James Whitcomb Riley using streamlined 4-6-4 streamlined Hudson.

Al - in - Stockton 

[CShaveRR]

Mark,

Were they NYC 4-6-4s on the James Whitcomb Riley?

[passengerfan]

Only a limited number of railroads Portland - Seattle. So I took a shot in the dark.

having fun as always.

Rgds IGN

IGN

Inspite of its name the Spokane Portland and Seattle did not serve Seattle as the two roads that owned the SP&S the Great Northern and Northern Pacific both served Portland from Seattle. The GN transcontinental trains Portland sections were forwarded to Portland from Spokane by the SP&S and the NP transcontinental trains Portland sections were forwarded from Pasco to Portland by the SP&S.

Al - in - Stockton

[Anonymous]

Only a limited number of railroads Portland - Seattle. So I took a shot in the dark.

having fun as always.

Rgds IGN

[al-in-chgo]

FWIW a railroad insulator type 154 , dark cornflower blue and made by Dominion, is worth hundreds in mint condition. - a.s.

al-in-chgo

 

[KCSfan]

Here's the next question and it's passenger related but maybe one that may make even Al-in-Stockton ponder on for a bit.

Only two streamlined steam locomotives ever ran regularly on the Illinois Central. One was fully streamlined and the other semi-streamlined. What were their wheel arrangements and what trains did they head?

Mark

[Wyonate]

FEC?

Nate

[railroadnut675]

What is the most awesome railroad in the southeast ?

No, this is not a matter of opinion. It is FACT!!!

[passengerfan]

Very Good Mark.

The four SP sleeping cars from the Cascade were coupled just ahead of the UP Dome Lounge Observation for the trip from Portland to Seattle. Upon arrival at Union Station the four SP cars were switched out and set out under the 4th Ave Viaduct that separated Union Station and King St. Station by a UP switcher. Later an NP or GN switcher would pull the four cars from under the 4th Ave Viaduct and take the cars to the wye about five miles south of King St. Station then bring them back to the Holgate coach yard where they were washed and cleaned for the next days trip south on the rear of the NP Pool train to Portland. Upon arrival the four cars were coupled to the SP train by an SP switcher that had the rear end car from the Cascade already coupled on. I would never call the rear end car on the SP Cascade an Observation as it was simply a 10-6 with a finished end and a single window located in the emergency exit door. It did give a finished appearance to the train though. I should mention that the only two 10-6s owned by the NP were painted in the Cascade colors for that train. After those two cars were returned to the NP January 9, 1966 when through service to Seattle was discontinued the NP repainted them in NP colors and assigned them to business car use as they had no other assignments where the cars would fit in.

Your question Mark.

Al - in - Stockton 

[KCSfan]

Mark You got the question half right the NP brought the cars sothbound to Portland each day.

Al - in - Stockton

Al, they must have run northbound to Seattle on a Union Pacific train then.

Mark

[passengerfan]

Mark You got the question half right the NP brought the cars sothbound to Portland each day.

Al - in - Stockton

[KCSfan]

Al if it's not the SP&S or the GN how about the Northern Pacific?

Mark

[passengerfan]

Sorry no cigar for the Great Northern guess.

Al - in - Stockton

[CShaveRR]

Hey, Al!  (Bodayez)

I'll guess $25-100 on the insulator, and Great Northern on the railroad.

[passengerfan]

No cigar IGN.

Al - in - Stockton

[Anonymous]

Seattle Portland & Spokane?

Rgds IGN

[passengerfan]

When the Cascade operated through sleeping cars to Seattle what railroads passenger train carried the four Cascade Sleepers to Seattle and which railroads passenger train returned the cars to Portland the following day?

Al - in - Stockton

[Anonymous]

The 1950-51 Super Chief was assigned the following new cars

PALM series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

PINE series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleepers

The earlier VISTA series cars were assigned

600-606 series 36 seat Dining cars

500-505 series Turquoise Room Dome Lounge Cars

and the 1390-1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

Next Question anyone?

Al - in - Stockton

Al-in-Stockton, as usual you amaze me.  Am I correct in understanding that the dorms for the crew were on the back car underneath the rear-end obs. dome?  I think Amtrak generally puts theirs up front near the baggage car but there would be a certain logic in putting the crew beneath the dome, as they might be less likely to be disturbed by the pitter-patter of folks going up the stairs and into the dome. 

Also, what happened to the original postwar equipment -- you said the VISTA series stayed in service but what happened to the rest when the consist was modernized only two to three years later?  Put on some other kind of "Chief," original Chief, San Francisco Chief, Texas Chief?? Just wondering. 

I'm going to spruce up my prior question a little.  As some of you know, collecting glass insulators has become a true collector's hobby and passion.  Glass insulators are those jarlike objects holding up the wires on (mostly) wooden telephone or telegraph poles and were churned out literally in the billions during the middle part of the 20th Century.  Today, they are  not as commonly found as in the past, but many still exist, doing their protective job connecting what today are more commonly called communications posts or poles. The hobby now has its own enthuasiasts' websites, a national organization, some local clubs in larger metro areas, a nationwide schedule of exhibits and swap meets, even standard books of prices. 

My question concerns one of the commonest styles of insulators produced in the mid-twentieth century both here and in Canada, the type 42, also known as a "CD 154" under standardized nomenclature.  How much would you expect to pay for an insulator stamped "DOMINION" in mint condition, in a dark cornflower shade of blue?  This is at retail, not including shipping or handling?  Let's stick to U.S. dollar prices (small hint).

Would you expect to pay: 

$1-5 _________________

$5-10 ________________

$10-25 _______________

$25 to 100 _____________

Over $100  ____________.

In the event of a tie, first poster wins. 

No research, please. 

Good luck!    -- al

    Is Dominion CD154 a railcar?    If so more than $15.

thx ign

 

OK I guessed way wrong.

Rgds IGN

[passengerfan]

Al

Just a WAG at your question $10 - $25. I have seen them on the tables at some of the west coast shows but honestly never paid any attention to them.

Al - in - Stockton

 

[al-in-chgo]

From prior post:  "Al To clear up any confusion the Dorm Club Lounge cars were next to the RPO Baggage cars in the Super Chief consists, only the dining car crew and lounge car attendants were housed in the dormitory area as each sleeping car had a spot for the sleeping car porter. The Sleeping car conductor and the Ding Car boss were each generally assigned a bedroom each in one of the sleeping cars usually next to the dining car. There was no Dome lounge Observation but a mid train dome next to the dining cars. Beneath the dome was a bar lounge area. The older sleepers were used to modernize the CHIEF, TEXAS CHIEF, and later the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF. The VISTA series 4 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom Sleeper Lounge Observations were assigned to both the first daily SUPER CHIEFS and also the second daily SUPER CHIEFS. When the round end VISTA Observations lost favor they were squared off and assigned to the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF and were operated mid-train."

Thanks, Stockton Al!  Those were the days, eh?  I remember the last few years of it and sure wish I had been able to take the Super Chief or El Cap somewhere! 

Now, does anyone want to take a stab at my li'l old glass RR insulator question up above? 

[passengerfan]

The Super Chief became daily in 1947 1948 using the following new cars.

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4- Double Bedroom Sleepers

BLUE series 10 Roomette 2 Compartment 3 Double Bedroom Sleepers

VISTA series 4 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom Lounge Observations

1390 - 1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

The Dining cars were 36 seat prewar diners.

The 1950-51 Super Chief was assigned the following new cars

PALM series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

PINE series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleepers

The earlier VISTA series cars were assigned

600-606 series 36 seat Dining cars

500-505 series Turquoise Room Dome Lounge Cars

and the 1390-1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

Next Question anyone?

Al - in - Stockton

Al-in-Stockton, as usual you amaze me.  Am I correct in understanding that the dorms for the crew were on the back car underneath the rear-end obs. dome?  I think Amtrak generally puts theirs up front near the baggage car but there would be a certain logic in putting the crew beneath the dome, as they might be less likely to be disturbed by the pitter-patter of folks going up the stairs and into the dome. 

Also, what happened to the original postwar equipment -- you said the VISTA series stayed in service but what happened to the rest when the consist was modernized only two to three years later?  Put on some other kind of "Chief," original Chief, San Francisco Chief, Texas Chief?? Just wondering. 

I'm going to spruce up my prior question a little.  As some of you know, collecting glass insulators has become a true collector's hobby and passion.  Glass insulators are those jarlike objects holding up the wires on (mostly) wooden telephone or telegraph poles and were churned out literally in the billions during the middle part of the 20th Century.  Today, they are  not as commonly found as in the past, but many still exist, doing their protective job connecting what today are more commonly called communications posts or poles. The hobby now has its own enthuasiasts' websites, a national organization, some local clubs in larger metro areas, a nationwide schedule of exhibits and swap meets, even standard books of prices. 

My question concerns one of the commonest styles of insulators produced in the mid-twentieth century both here and in Canada, the type 42, also known as a "CD 154" under standardized nomenclature.  How much would you expect to pay for an insulator stamped "DOMINION" in mint condition, in a dark cornflower shade of blue?  This is at retail, not including shipping or handling?  Let's stick to U.S. dollar prices (small hint).

Would you expect to pay: 

$1-5 _________________

$5-10 ________________

$10-25 _______________

$25 to 100 _____________

Over $100  ____________.

In the event of a tie, first poster wins. 

No research, please. 

Good luck!    -- al

 

Al To clear up any confusion the Dorm Club Lounge cars were next to the RPO Baggage cars in the Super Chief consists, only the dining car crew and lounge car attendants were housed in the dormitory area as each sleeping car had a spot for the sleeping car porter. The Sleeping car conductor and the Ding Car boss were each generally assigned a bedroom each in one of the sleeping cars usually next to the dining car. There was no Dome lounge Observation but a mid train dome next to the dining cars. Beneath the dome was a bar lounge area. The older sleepers were used to modernize the CHIEF, TEXAS CHIEF, and later the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF. The VISTA series 4 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom Sleeper Lounge Observations were assigned to both the first daily SUPER CHIEFS and also the second daily SUPER CHIEFS. When the round end VISTA Observations lost favor they were squared off and assigned to the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF and were operated mid-train.

Al - in - Stockton

[al-in-chgo]

The Super Chief became daily in 1947 1948 using the following new cars.

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4- Double Bedroom Sleepers

BLUE series 10 Roomette 2 Compartment 3 Double Bedroom Sleepers

VISTA series 4 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom Lounge Observations

1390 - 1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

The Dining cars were 36 seat prewar diners.

The 1950-51 Super Chief was assigned the following new cars

PALM series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

PINE series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleepers

The earlier VISTA series cars were assigned

600-606 series 36 seat Dining cars

500-505 series Turquoise Room Dome Lounge Cars

and the 1390-1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

Next Question anyone?

Al - in - Stockton

Al-in-Stockton, as usual you amaze me.  Am I correct in understanding that the dorms for the crew were on the back car underneath the rear-end obs. dome?  I think Amtrak generally puts theirs up front near the baggage car but there would be a certain logic in putting the crew beneath the dome, as they might be less likely to be disturbed by the pitter-patter of folks going up the stairs and into the dome. 

Also, what happened to the original postwar equipment -- you said the VISTA series stayed in service but what happened to the rest when the consist was modernized only two to three years later?  Put on some other kind of "Chief," original Chief, San Francisco Chief, Texas Chief?? Just wondering. 

I'm going to spruce up my prior question a little.  As some of you know, collecting glass insulators has become a true collector's hobby and passion.  Glass insulators are those jarlike objects holding up the wires on (mostly) wooden telephone or telegraph poles and were churned out literally in the billions during the middle part of the 20th Century.  Today, they are  not as commonly found as in the past, but many still exist, doing their protective job connecting what today are more commonly called communications posts or poles. The hobby now has its own enthuasiasts' websites, a national organization, some local clubs in larger metro areas, a nationwide schedule of exhibits and swap meets, even standard books of prices. 

My question concerns one of the commonest styles of insulators produced in the mid-twentieth century both here and in Canada, the type 42, also known as a "CD 154" under standardized nomenclature.  How much would you expect to pay for an insulator stamped "DOMINION" in mint condition, in a dark cornflower shade of blue?  This is at retail, not including shipping or handling?  Let's stick to U.S. dollar prices (small hint).

Would you expect to pay: 

$1-5 _________________

$5-10 ________________

$10-25 _______________

$25 to 100 _____________

Over $100  ____________.

In the event of a tie, first poster wins. 

No research, please. 

Good luck!    -- al

 

[passengerfan]

The Super Chief became daily in 1947 1948 using the following new cars.

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4- Double Bedroom Sleepers

BLUE series 10 Roomette 2 Compartment 3 Double Bedroom Sleepers

VISTA series 4 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom Lounge Observations

1390 - 1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

The Dining cars were 36 seat prewar diners.

The 1950-51 Super Chief was assigned the following new cars

PALM series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

PINE series 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleepers

REGAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleepers

The earlier VISTA series cars were assigned

600-606 series 36 seat Dining cars

500-505 series Turquoise Room Dome Lounge Cars

and the 1390-1395 series Dormitory Club Lounge Cars

Next Question anyone?

Al - in - Stockton

[passengerfan]

I will settle for the car types used in the two consists. Hint Walthers listed one when they recently came out with there HO Super Chief.

Al - in - Stockton

[al-in-chgo]

Well if know one else has a question how about this. In 1947-48 the Santa Fe Super Chief became a daily train what was the consist of these trains and again in 1950-51 the Super Chief was again reequipped and what was the make up of those consists?

Al - in - Stockton

Looks like we're stalled out again, West Coast Al. 

Two Santa Fe trains -- complete consists?  Give us a hint, anyway.  Total no. of passenger cars, that sort of thing? 

Maybe?