passengerfan wrote: I believe the Hummingbird terminated in New Orleans,Al - in - Stockton
I believe the Hummingbird terminated in New Orleans,
Al - in - Stockton
Bingo! One train and route identified only three more to get. The runs of other three were much shorter than that of the Hummingbird - on the order of only 1/3 as long.
Mark
al-in-chgo wrote: KCSfan wrote: Nope Al the Hummingbird didn't run to Florida although it's route took it about 50 miles from the Sunshine State.MarkMobile? Gulfport?
KCSfan wrote: Nope Al the Hummingbird didn't run to Florida although it's route took it about 50 miles from the Sunshine State.Mark
Nope Al the Hummingbird didn't run to Florida although it's route took it about 50 miles from the Sunshine State.
Mobile? Gulfport?
The Hummingbird did run through both Mobile and Gulfport but neither of these was its end point city. I checked a map and found that one point on its route was actually within a mile or two of Florida rather than the 50 miles I mentioned in my prior reply.
Where's Al-in-Sacramento he should be able to answer most if not all of this question?
KCSfan wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: Well, MoPac had Eagles, but I don't think they used the C&EI to get into Chicago. Would the "Dixie Humming Bird" count? I think that was the name. Al, You're right about the Eagles, none of them ran to Chicago. St. Louis was the closest any of them came to the Windy City. The Hummingbird (no Dixie in its name) was one of the trains which ran over the C&EI to Evansville then beyond over the L&N. What was its southern terminus? (emphasis added) Uhhh, some city in Florida? Probably not Orlando. Mark
al-in-chgo wrote: Well, MoPac had Eagles, but I don't think they used the C&EI to get into Chicago. Would the "Dixie Humming Bird" count? I think that was the name.
Well, MoPac had Eagles, but I don't think they used the C&EI to get into Chicago. Would the "Dixie Humming Bird" count? I think that was the name.
Al,
You're right about the Eagles, none of them ran to Chicago. St. Louis was the closest any of them came to the Windy City. The Hummingbird (no Dixie in its name) was one of the trains which ran over the C&EI to Evansville then beyond over the L&N. What was its southern terminus? (emphasis added)
Uhhh, some city in Florida? Probably not Orlando.
CShaveRR wrote: There was a rare species of bird named the Dixie Flagler, probably before your time. Now extinct, unfortunately, it's where the expression "Whistlin' Dixie" came from. Had a plaintive hooting sound--two longs, a short, and a long. I don't know the other three (or four!)
There was a rare species of bird named the Dixie Flagler, probably before your time. Now extinct, unfortunately, it's where the expression "Whistlin' Dixie" came from. Had a plaintive hooting sound--two longs, a short, and a long.
I don't know the other three (or four!)
Carl,
I take it this was a tongue in cheek reply. The Dixie Flagler was named for Henry Flagler, Florida land developer and major domo of the FEC, under whose regime the overseas railroad to Key West was built. Incidentally the bird you mentioned only called two longs, a short, and a long when he was approaching a grade crossing.
You're right about the Eagles, none of them ran to Chicago. St. Louis was the closest any of them came to the Windy City. The Hummingbird (no Dixie in its name) was one of the trains which ran over the C&EI to Evansville then beyond over the L&N. What was its southern terminus?
al-in-chgo wrote: KCSfan wrote: OK, here's a passenger train question. Over the years four (that I know of, could be more) trains with bird names ran over the Chicago & Eastern Illinois from Chicago. What were their names and end point destinations (other than Chicago)? MarkWell, MoPac had Eagles, but I don't think they used the C&EI to get into Chicago. Would the "Dixie Humming Bird" count? I think that was the name.
KCSfan wrote: OK, here's a passenger train question. Over the years four (that I know of, could be more) trains with bird names ran over the Chicago & Eastern Illinois from Chicago. What were their names and end point destinations (other than Chicago)? Mark
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KCSfan wrote: OK, here's a passenger train question. Over the years four (that I know of, could be more) trains with bird names ran over the Chicago & Eastern Illinois from Chicago. What were their names and end point destinations (other than Chicago)?Mark
OK, here's a passenger train question. Over the years four (that I know of, could be more) trains with bird names ran over the Chicago & Eastern Illinois from Chicago. What were their names and end point destinations (other than Chicago)?
rrnut282 wrote: I was really hoping some of the other Hoosiers on the board would chime in on this one like MP173, Modelcar, Gabe, ValleyX...Well, I guess you're close enough for government work. Besides, I'll be travelling home tomorrow and I don't want everyone waiting for me to respond.The 4,311 foot Edwardsville Tunnel was completed in 1881 at a cost of $1Million. Which was a huge sum in the day. As KCS said, it is on Southern's, now NS's, line from SDF to STL. It's really just outside of Louisville, not in the middle of the state where you might expect it.
I was really hoping some of the other Hoosiers on the board would chime in on this one like MP173, Modelcar, Gabe, ValleyX...
Well, I guess you're close enough for government work. Besides, I'll be travelling home tomorrow and I don't want everyone waiting for me to respond.
The 4,311 foot Edwardsville Tunnel was completed in 1881 at a cost of $1Million. Which was a huge sum in the day. As KCS said, it is on Southern's, now NS's, line from SDF to STL. It's really just outside of Louisville, not in the middle of the state where you might expect it.
Mark, looks like you're up! - a. s.
rrnut282 wrote: You're very very warm.
You're very very warm.
Sorry but I'd have to do some research (which is forbidden) to come up with the tunnels location. I only know it is in far southern Indiana on the line that I mentioned in my prior reply.
Good question. When it comes to tunnels Indiana is not exactly the first state that comes to my mind as a likely place to find one. I know part of the answer only because not long ago I saw a picture of the tunnel and I was surprised by the caption which gave its length as something over 4,000 ft. The caption also gave the location but I can't remember the spot and someone else will have to answer that.
The tunnel is on the former Southern Railway line between Louisville and St. Louis which today is a busy route of the Norfolk Southern.
Sorry, Al, that's not it. Please feel free to guess again.
I believe that is the 2nd longest tunnel in Indiana.
rrnut282 wrote: Dang. Guessing is fun. Coming up with a question isn't as much fun. Since I'm not that good, I'll steal borrow a question I had trouble answering.Where is and who first used the longest rail tunnel in the state of Indiana?
Dang. Guessing is fun. Coming up with a question isn't as much fun. Since I'm not that good, I'll steal borrow a question I had trouble answering.
Where is and who first used the longest rail tunnel in the state of Indiana?
I'll start with a WAG, same answer for both: French Lick?
KCSfan wrote: rrnut282 wrote: 1. Cincinatti and New Orleans2. Southern3. Southern, Cincincatti Southern, and C,NO&Prrnut,Good start, you've got 1 and 2 right and you're close with CNO&P so I'll give you credit for that part of the answer to 3. It actually was CNO&TP (Cincinatti, New Orleans & Texas Pacific) which was the Cincinatti - Chattanoga portion of the Queen and Crescent's Route. While the train did run over the Cincinatti Southern, it was a very short line and I was looking for the two other much longer roads that became major parts of the SR System. One of these was the Q&C route between Chatanooga and Meridian, MS and the other ran from Meridian to New Orleans. Keep trying and see if you (or someone else) can identify these latter two railroads.FYI the train was named for the Queen City (Cincinatti) and the Crescent City (New Orleans). I'm not sure why Cincinatti is called the Queen City but the Crescent City name for NO comes from the large crescent shaped bend in the Mississippi River on which the the city sits.Mark
rrnut282 wrote: 1. Cincinatti and New Orleans2. Southern3. Southern, Cincincatti Southern, and C,NO&P
1. Cincinatti and New Orleans
2. Southern
3. Southern, Cincincatti Southern, and C,NO&P
rrnut,
Good start, you've got 1 and 2 right and you're close with CNO&P so I'll give you credit for that part of the answer to 3. It actually was CNO&TP (Cincinatti, New Orleans & Texas Pacific) which was the Cincinatti - Chattanoga portion of the Queen and Crescent's Route. While the train did run over the Cincinatti Southern, it was a very short line and I was looking for the two other much longer roads that became major parts of the SR System. One of these was the Q&C route between Chatanooga and Meridian, MS and the other ran from Meridian to New Orleans. Keep trying and see if you (or someone else) can identify these latter two railroads.
FYI the train was named for the Queen City (Cincinatti) and the Crescent City (New Orleans). I'm not sure why Cincinatti is called the Queen City but the Crescent City name for NO comes from the large crescent shaped bend in the Mississippi River on which the the city sits.
AGS
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
I guess the question was harder than I thought it would be and rather than let this thread bog down I'll supply the remaining answers. The other two segments of the Southern Railway System over which the Queen and Crescent ran were the former Alabama Great Southern RR (Chatanooga - Meridian) and the New Orleans & Northeastern RR (Meridian - New Orleans).
rrnut answered most of the original question so it's his turn to post the next one.
rrnut282 wrote: Yes there was SUPPOSED to be a T in C,NO&TP. The rr map in my head gets very muddy South of the Mason-Dixon Line. I'll veture a guess with the Chatanooga & Meridian and Meridian and New Orleans.IIRC, Cincinatti was called the Queen City because it was the crown-jewel (best looking) city on the Ohio River and not for all the hog barns it once had.
Yes there was SUPPOSED to be a T in C,NO&TP. The rr map in my head gets very muddy South of the Mason-Dixon Line. I'll veture a guess with the Chatanooga & Meridian and Meridian and New Orleans.
IIRC, Cincinatti was called the Queen City because it was the crown-jewel (best looking) city on the Ohio River and not for all the hog barns it once had.
Sorry but no cigar yet rrnut. The Q&C route between Chatanooga and Meridian had a state as part of its name and the RR between Meridian and NO did have New Orleans in its name but it wasn't Meridian and New Orleans. Maybe these hints will help - keep trying.
OK here's the next question. It's 60 or so years ago and you're a passenger riding the Queen and Crescent over its entire route.
1. Between what cities are you traveling? 2. What's the name of the railroad on your ticket?
3. What three former major railroads were components of this route?
Well, we finally have a three-question winner! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Check this out:
http://www.marquetterail.com/about.htm
Your question, Mark! (Or should I say "Marq"?)
CShaveRR wrote: Getting closer!1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. No!The name of the company is Marquette Rail; it runs from Grand Rapids north to Ludington and Manistee. Most of this is originally Pere Marquette trackage, but I'm led to believe that some at the very end of the line is former Manistee & Northeastern (it was all C&O after the 1955 M&NE merger, anyway).PM's logo was a simple rectangle with the words "Pere Marquette" therein.As for my "There is no municipality currently named Marquette along the line." clue, the name of Ludington was originally "Pere Marquette", and that is in fact where the name of the original railroad came from.Think of another one-word M railroad, whose tracks didn't reach Michigan (the state, anyway). If that doesn't give it away...
Getting closer!
1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. No!
The name of the company is Marquette Rail; it runs from Grand Rapids north to Ludington and Manistee. Most of this is originally Pere Marquette trackage, but I'm led to believe that some at the very end of the line is former Manistee & Northeastern (it was all C&O after the 1955 M&NE merger, anyway).
PM's logo was a simple rectangle with the words "Pere Marquette" therein.
As for my "There is no municipality currently named Marquette along the line." clue, the name of Ludington was originally "Pere Marquette", and that is in fact where the name of the original railroad came from.
Think of another one-word M railroad, whose tracks didn't reach Michigan (the state, anyway). If that doesn't give it away...
From your hint I'd guess the MQT logo is similar to that of the Monon which didn't reach the state of Michigan but did go to Michigan City, IN.
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