KCSfan wrote: CShaveRR wrote:To unload their ferry boats?Right on Carl. The IC had a small bit of trackage at a car ferry landing in Ark and so did the MOPac in Miss. Now name the locations in the two states and you're the winner.Mark
CShaveRR wrote:To unload their ferry boats?
Right on Carl. The IC had a small bit of trackage at a car ferry landing in Ark and so did the MOPac in Miss. Now name the locations in the two states and you're the winner.
Mark
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Dude, you are getting just too curlicue'd. You should let Carl research this if he wants. If he gets it closed-book you should appoint him RR Quiz Game Life Master and let him post questions in times of drought. Despite the jocularity I don't impress easily and I am impressed by his vast knowledge. (Carl, hope you too are reading this.) - al
Or transload barge/freight car?
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
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Al,
I just looked it up and found I was way off on the dates I posted previously. IC operations in Arkansas ended in 1972 and the MP operations in Mississippi ended in 1982.
Time for another hint. The IC and MP operations in the two states existed for exactly the same reason.
KCSfan wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: Did these two examples of "encroachment," if that's the word, take place at the same time? If so, how'd you like to tell us in what decade these events took place? - a.s. Al,I don't have the dates at my finger tips but I know these operations lasted at least into the 1960's and maybe even until some time in the 70's.Mark
al-in-chgo wrote: Did these two examples of "encroachment," if that's the word, take place at the same time? If so, how'd you like to tell us in what decade these events took place? - a.s.
Did these two examples of "encroachment," if that's the word, take place at the same time?
If so, how'd you like to tell us in what decade these events took place? - a.s.
I don't have the dates at my finger tips but I know these operations lasted at least into the 1960's and maybe even until some time in the 70's.
To be honest, I'm not asking for myself because I lack the knowledge base. But maybe others reading this will be helped. - a.s.
KCSfan wrote: We all know that the Missouri Pacific was the major railroad serving Arkansas with more miles of trackage in that state than any other road. The same was true of the Illinois Central in Mississippi. Each of them made a minor incursion into the others "turf". Where and what was the nature of the MoPac's operations in Mississippi and the IC's operations in Arkansas?Mark
We all know that the Missouri Pacific was the major railroad serving Arkansas with more miles of trackage in that state than any other road. The same was true of the Illinois Central in Mississippi. Each of them made a minor incursion into the others "turf". Where and what was the nature of the MoPac's operations in Mississippi and the IC's operations in Arkansas?
New Orleans & Lower West Point? I don't think so, Tim...I mean, Al!
I'd better quit giving these hints!
Oops, I just saw that Mark came up with the correct answer. That takes care of my Saturday night entertainment and punny hints segment.
Carl,
I've ruled out two names but I'm still stuck with two possibilities, NO & Lower Delta and NO & Lower Coast. I've come to an answer by a very scientific method. I wrote down both names on slips of paper, closed my eyes, shuffled them up a bit and pulled out New Orleans & Lower Coast so that's my final answer (unless it's wrong in which case I'll be back at you with the other one).
CShaveRR wrote: KCSfan wrote: As I lay in bed last night the question kept nagging me. All I could think of was New Orleans and North Eastern which of course I knew wasn't right because the NO&NE was part of the Southern Railway's Washington-New Orleans main line. When I awoke this am the name New Orleans & Lower Mississippi popped into my head but that doesn't seem quite right either. If that wasn't the name maybe it was the NO & Lower Gulf or NO & Lower Coast. I just can't remember for sure. MarkP.S. Another possibility came to mind later; NO & Lower Delta. Not being able to remember exactly is beginning to frustrate me.It's in your response somewhere, fer shore! Just keep drifting and you'll stumble on it.
KCSfan wrote: As I lay in bed last night the question kept nagging me. All I could think of was New Orleans and North Eastern which of course I knew wasn't right because the NO&NE was part of the Southern Railway's Washington-New Orleans main line. When I awoke this am the name New Orleans & Lower Mississippi popped into my head but that doesn't seem quite right either. If that wasn't the name maybe it was the NO & Lower Gulf or NO & Lower Coast. I just can't remember for sure. MarkP.S. Another possibility came to mind later; NO & Lower Delta. Not being able to remember exactly is beginning to frustrate me.
P.S. Another possibility came to mind later; NO & Lower Delta. Not being able to remember exactly is beginning to frustrate me.
It's in your response somewhere, fer shore! Just keep drifting and you'll stumble on it.
Does the geographic description "West Point" figure into the name of the answer? (I mean the southern one, of course, not the military academy on the Hudson.)
As I lay in bed last night the question kept nagging me. All I could think of was New Orleans and North Eastern which of course I knew wasn't right because the NO&NE was part of the Southern Railway's Washington-New Orleans main line. When I awoke this am the name New Orleans & Lower Mississippi popped into my head but that doesn't seem quite right either. If that wasn't the name maybe it was the NO & Lower Gulf or NO & Lower Coast. I just can't remember for sure.
Tuned in late today. But I believe it was the International Great Northern.
Al - in - Stockton
CShaveRR wrote: Hmmm.Natchez...Vicksburg...I guess I need a reorientation trip down that way.Meantime, what was the name of the MP subsidiary that went down the Louisiana delta, and which town did it ultimately reach?
Hmmm.
Natchez...Vicksburg...I guess I need a reorientation trip down that way.
Meantime, what was the name of the MP subsidiary that went down the Louisiana delta, and which town did it ultimately reach?
The railroad went as far as Buras deep in the Mississippi Delta some 60 miles south of New Orleans but its name eludes me. I'll think on it and maybe the name of the road will come back to me in a brainstorm.
It's time for another question anyway so since you got the two railroads correct I'll declare you the winner.
Actually there never was a railroad bridge across the Mississippi River at Natchez so the Miss Central and L&A were not physically connected. Rail cars were carried across the river between Natchez and Vidalia, LA on a ferry. Until 1930 when the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley (IC) bridge at Vicksburg was completed there wasn't a RR bridge south of the Frisco's at Memphis. With the opening of the bridge at Vicksburg most of the Natchez Route's through traffic was lost to the Y&MV/IC which effectively ended its days as a through route connecting the IC, Southern and GM&N at Hattiesburg to the KCS, T&P, T&NO and Cotton Belt at Shreveport.
Let's have another question Carl.
CShaveRR wrote:Louisiana & Arkansas/Mississippi Central?
Very good Carl it was the L&A and the Miss Central. How about taking a stab at the other parts of the question: How were the two roads physically connected and what were the end points of the Natchez Route? It was promoted as a bridge route between the southeast and west but was doomed to fail because of the answer to one of these two remaining questions.
Sorry Al but not the GM&O which didn't serve Natchez. I remember a trip on US84 (hint) in 1966 when I was lucky enough to see an ancient IC steam pile driver rebuilding a trestle on the old Natchez Route in Mississippi.
KCSfan wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: Re: KCS and IC, junction in LA connecting to Natchez (IOW, a wild guess). Al,You're warm, very warm. It wasn't the IC or the KCS but one of the roads later became a part of the IC and the other one became a part of the KCS.Mark
al-in-chgo wrote: Re: KCS and IC, junction in LA connecting to Natchez (IOW, a wild guess).
Re: KCS and IC, junction in LA connecting to Natchez (IOW, a wild guess).
You're warm, very warm. It wasn't the IC or the KCS but one of the roads later became a part of the IC and the other one became a part of the KCS.
Well, Mark, the one that later became part of the IC would be the Gulf, Mobile and Ohio but I can't off the top of my head think of any predecessor lines to KCS, except for a couple in Texas.
Once again, half a point???
chad thomas wrote: KCSfan wrote: Al,A very interesting arrangement of which I had no idea. That would put the Q in competetion with the RI for Colorado Springs passengers. How did the Chi - Colo Spgs time of the DZ compare with that of the Rocky Mtn Rocket?Here's the next question for all to ponder. What two railroads comprised the "Natchez Route", how were the two physically connected and what were the two end points of the Natchez Route?MarkGreat Northern and Milwakee Road, Spokane and Seattle (just a shot in the dark)
KCSfan wrote: Al,A very interesting arrangement of which I had no idea. That would put the Q in competetion with the RI for Colorado Springs passengers. How did the Chi - Colo Spgs time of the DZ compare with that of the Rocky Mtn Rocket?Here's the next question for all to ponder. What two railroads comprised the "Natchez Route", how were the two physically connected and what were the two end points of the Natchez Route?Mark
A very interesting arrangement of which I had no idea. That would put the Q in competetion with the RI for Colorado Springs passengers. How did the Chi - Colo Spgs time of the DZ compare with that of the Rocky Mtn Rocket?
Here's the next question for all to ponder. What two railroads comprised the "Natchez Route", how were the two physically connected and what were the two end points of the Natchez Route?
Great Northern and Milwakee Road, Spokane and Seattle (just a shot in the dark)
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