we have an alternative plan{s}.
We COULD put a deeded doublewide on slab 28x40 or 42', leave 6' on one side, and 12-14' on the other side to the property lines ON ONE LOT {hter are two and later build plan #1 on the other lot, wiht a 23x30 garage attached, 9 foot form the other side,and the obligatory 6' on the other, then rent out the doublewide to pay the taxes on both properties. {there are two 60' x 150' lots to the property.}.
We should be able to get the property cheaper as it DOESN'T have Nat. gas as advertised. That is a big draw back to us. whne i informed the RE agent the zoning dept told me no nat gas, he asked e if "it is a deal breaker" for us. I played "good cop" and said not so muchfor me, and played "bad cop" for MOH saying It is for MOH. {who has a certain price, I am willing to go $1k higher than MOH, but I think we can split the $1k at $500 above MOH's and $500 below mine.} we shall see.
The double wide route is the less expensive and probably the quickest. so it is an alternative. we have a 28x40 plan we like and a 28x42 plan IF the town allows us to put them on the property.
The Zoning guy actually gave me this idea, as he said :you might wnat to sell one lot: sometime later, and making it one big lot would negate that ability. He is also the one who told me 30' front and back and 6' and 9' on each side for zoning. we could also sell off the double wide.
-G .
Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.
HO and N Scale.
After long and careful thought, they have convinced me. I have come to the conclusion that they are right. The aliens did it.
Evening Dinners
Flo, Beer Please
Sort Of Work Front. God it was slow, only 3 customers on a Saturday? Did get a lot of reading done. I have read 93 books in the last 2 years I have been with my company, good thing I like reading.
Fence Front On the way home I stopped at Lowes with my New VA ID Card and bought a few iteams. Bought 4 Concrete Blocks (for bracing up the gravel and a 4X4X6 foot fence post. Got 40 shovels of gravel out and then I was beat. I am to the point I really need to find out how to brace the gravel and still be able to dig. I have a few ideas on how to brace and still be able to dig. But right now they are just ideas.
When I was done, I placed a concrete and wedge the new post in it, then strung the construction fence back in places. This way the neighbor's will know I am working on the problem.
Galaxy, my self I like # 1 the best. I l so like the flag stone patio of number 2 as well. If my wife and I lived in one, it would have to have a enclosed kitchen, she hates doing dishes as much as I hate cutting the yard. Ours is big with 16 feet of counter top yet there is only 4 feet of spaces that can used. Most of it is covered with crap that my wife thinks Looks Pretty?
Latter, Ken
I hate Rust
Good Afternoon,
A nice sunny day here, not too hot or cold, just right.
Galaxy, I too think #3 is the best. I like it for the following reasons:
1) The high ceiling in the living room will make a small space seem far larger. Our first house had a 10' ceiling in the living and dining room and people always thought it was a larger house than it was.
2) It is good to have the bedrooms seperate from the other living space.
3) The front entrance isn't directly into the living room which is a good idea in snowy climes.
The only potential downside to that plan is that it might be more expensive to build but I'm sure YGW could give you some advice on that score.
Nothing new here today. We plan on having a pizza and watching the 2nd best marigold hotel movie tonight. The first one was great and we have high hopes for the sequel.
I was at the eye doc this week for a followup on that laser surgery I had a couple of weeks ago. It was a success as the pressure in that eye is right back down to normal range. Now if my ear issue can just clear up I will be 100%. It is a little better with meds I'm on so hears hoping those tubes clear out and stay that way.
Well maybe I'll go downstairs and run a train around for a little while. I'm liking the mike I bought quite a bit.
See you soon,
CN Charlie
3) The front entrance isn't directly into the living room. An important consideration for those who live in snowy climes.
Yeah, small kitchens are known to us. I have exactly 16" of counter top to work on that is't taken up by Microwave, coffee maker and toaster!
ANd HALF the 16" is taken up with stuff I "don't have a place for", and accessories {like a can opener}.
So, small kitchens are not unknown to us.
i don't knwo as we NEED to pic a floorplan NOW< but it helps to envision what you wnat on the property when you go to buy it!
The one property we liked, is actually 2 60'x 150' lots, so we COULD conceivably build on one and sell the other. CAn't buy just one. I don't get the zoning though, must have 30' set back in fornt and in back, but need only 6 {yeah SIX} whole feet on one side and 9 {yeah NINE} feet on the other side? Gees, talk about sticking your arm out o the window and asking for a cup of sugar!!!
We of course, would NOT be able to even get this far without the very low payment loan. SO now we dream.
later
galaxyThats how, we are not sure which we like, RAY, so that is why I am taking a poll, i think we like the LOOKS of the drawing in the first house, but the floor plan of #3.
Cool! Personally I like #3 the best and #1 second best. I like the open large area (Kitchen, dining, and living area) rather than the very, very small enclosed kitchen of #2. I think you may touch 3 counters at the same time (with no hands...) in there. The kitchen in #2 is the same size as the tiny area I have for my office:
The rectangle made by the back edge of the desks and over to the white table are almost the same size as that kitchen. Small is fine, but I would want some openess to it so I can set up to use more space when needed. Look for options when you have such a tiny total area.
Just my 2¢.
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Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
galaxy. . .i think we like the LOOKS of the drawing in the first house, but the floor plan of #3.
You will see the looks every time you drive up to the house. You will experience the floor plan everytime you walk down the hall. I am a practical person; function trumps form.
Richard
RAy:
Yes, we have a "long term, very low payment" loan to get the property,
It will be up to us to figure out how to finagle the house on top.
Or,we can put the loaned amount to work on a serious down payment for an exising house, but it, too, maycome wiht inherant problems.
If you look at the properties, they are at/under $20k, and could be had for less, I am sure/hoping. so the "loan" with "seriously low payments" is a "small amoutnt' so to speak, enough to get a small lot or two. Land is not moving arund here, but some existing houses at/above $100k are. We would qualify for at least a matching amount of the "low payment" loan f we bouht existing right now, I am hoping to improve our finanaces in a year or two and get a better loan for the CU to build the house, or in the case of the one property, get a deeded double wide on it.
so we now haave options opened up to us that we didn't have before the "seriously low payment" loan.
Thats how,
we are not sure which we like, RAY, so that is why I am taking a poll, i think we like the LOOKS of the drawing in the first house, but the floor plan of #3.
Good morning ...
Galaxy ... All 3 look good.... I'll say #3.
We built the house we now live in. The construction process was a nightmare.... An absolute nightmare.
Ulrich .... Thanks for the video..... I saw the part where you say it is your .
hometown. I imagine you have plenty of memories of that town.
Happy model railroading
GARRY
HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR
EVERYWHERE LOST; WE HUSTLE OUR CABOOSE FOR YOU
Mornin' everyone!
Zoe, I'll have a breakfast muffin with egg sausage and cheese, please. A large pot of Organic, Fair Traded, Marrakesh Express Dark Roast Coffee to keep my R&GVRR Mug filled for a while. Oh bring over the half and half as well as my Stevia. Thank you Ma'am!
Galaxy, I think the only really important question is: Which design do you folks like best! I don't care for any of them compared to a few you linked to a while back..... (I liked one that had the bedroom as a loft above the kitchen, but I know that wouldn't work for you. Climbing the ladder to get there might be difficult! LOL) Did you suddenly come into a pile of $$$? How are you going to be able to pay for this? Rhetorical question by the way. I would sure hate to see you go this route and then end up losing what little you have. I wish you the best of luck with all of this!
I have been steadily continuing the clean out, sort, and recycle/throw away routine here. Yesterday I found a carefully preserved box containing a processor for my old G3 Mac. I bought that in 1993! Wonder what I will find today? I also took my huge Easter Cactus outside and repotted it into a larger vase. The ancient pottery one has been crumbling for the last year. By the time I got it outside to the picnic table it had pretty much completely fallen apart. Made it easier to get it out and into the new pot though.
Currently 71°F under hazy skies here in the Finger Lakes Region this morning. Got down to 55°F last night but stayed very comfortable in the house. High today will be around 78°F maybe.
Quote for the day: "By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth." George Carlin
Have a good one out there!
Afternoon!
Seems to be a slow day in here!
Found this video on the web - at 1.30 min you can see that steam loco pulling out of my home town´s station:
I am casting my vote for #3. (My previous post was more of a vote against #2, than a vote for #1.) The layout is simple, but functional. Washer and dryer are not in the bathroom. More versatile great room. A nook is better than a dining room.
One more thing. Sixteen years ago, my wife and I built a home. Ours was a custom home--I designed the house, including the elevation, and hired a journeyman draftsman to draw up the blueprints. (You think figuring out a MRR layout is a challenge...) As we started the process, someone told us the secret to success was to hire a marriage counselor and a general contractor, in that order. It definitely stressed our relationship, but we survived. Once you decide on the plans, the real fun begins--flooring, paint, fixtures, and the list goes on.
Good Morning!
What a night! At about 2am, we had a big thunderstorm, the lightning made it as bright as daylight! Now it´s all wet & humid, making you feel sticky and icky the moment you step out of the shower.
Galaxy - you know I like the Whidbey´s interior, but I think your option #1 is the best bet in terms of outside looks and interier arrangement, as well as economy. So I´ll still vote for this option.
Thanks to all who provided input on the hosuing situation.
still looking for poll results: which one do you like? now have 3:
#1:
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-11455
#2:
http://www.houseplans.com/plan/557-square-feet-2-bedroom-1-bathroom-0-garage-cottage-39331
#3:
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-2993&ArchStyle=Tudor#staystill
so...which one do you like?
Today's word:
Today's quotes:
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars. -Garrison Keillor, radio host of Prairie Home Companion {home of Lake WoeBeGone} and author (b. 7 Aug 1942)
You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.
Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
***When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.
GM, MEN!
Todya is Saturday, August 8th, 2015!
WHy is it summer goes by so quick, but winter lags soooo loooooong?
Flo, Beer Please.
I also found #3 house contender: it's a tudor style we liked in a 1BR model, but wanted a 2 br minimum...so now i found the 2BR 1 Ba model:
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-2993&ArchStyle=Tudor
So, to those who Liked #1, do you like this one better? it is 775 sqft instead of 757 sqft and the GR is 14+'x25+', much bigger than the 12x15 GR of number 1.
we shall see..
Maybe YGW could take a long vacation and come build it for us...lol
Ulrich, Ride On Road, Johnboy, UP831, Thanks for your imput!
House #1 seems to be in the lead. It IS the "cuter" house.
Both MOH and I like the English tudor, but we'd really LIKE a Tudor/craftsman liek this;
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-52094&ArchStyle=Tudor
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-36628&ArchStyle=Tudor
but I'd have to have 3 maids to take care of 4,000{+} sqft of the last one!!!
This one is nice too:
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-39883&ArchStyle=Tudor
This one mOH would liek as it has a porte-cochere! {5,300++ sqft}
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-36273&ArchStyle=Tudor
ah well, YGW could build he larger homes!
Evening all!
Flo a cold one please.
Hope all are well tonight.
Beautiful day here today Gents. Perfect weather for being outside. The wife and I treated ourselves to some steamed shrimp in Old Bay and a pizza on the deck at one of our favorite local haunts. Afterwards I managed to get most of my N scale grain elevator completed. I still need to add some dust and a wash to complete the weathering. The scene itself is far from completed but its getting there.
Well, Flo has my coldie here so allow me to sit, sip, and listen.
Happy modeling and a GREAT weekend to all!!
Regards,
Don.
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that both engines have failed, and we will be stuck here for some time. The good news is that you decided to take the train and not fly."
RideOnRoad Galaxy: I have to wonder what the person was thinking who designed #2. Bedroom off of the entry way? Seven foot wide bedroom? Where do you eat? Where do you put a washer/dryer? The first plan definitely seems like a more intelligent layout; more feng shui, so to speak.
Galaxy: I have to wonder what the person was thinking who designed #2. Bedroom off of the entry way? Seven foot wide bedroom? Where do you eat? Where do you put a washer/dryer? The first plan definitely seems like a more intelligent layout; more feng shui, so to speak.
The second house is what you call an exercise in "minimalistic" housing. There is a WHOLE lot of several floorplans of "minimalistic" on the site below {I have to find it first}, It is larger than a TIny House, but smaller than a larger house. here is the site:
http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/pages/cottages#ad-image-6
The #2 house is a variant of the Whidbey house, with a closed kitchen and larger Great Room. Originally designed to be a mere 461-557 SQft {depending on 1 or 2 BRs} it is minimalist, we'd expand it to about 650-700sqft with the changes I'd like to make.
House #1 is only 757 sqft as it sits, we'd like to stretch the Great Roo there too, os it'd be about 841 sqft.
The odd thing is a stick built 841 sqft annual taxes vs a deeded double wide of 960sqft is onky $100/year school, town, county.... @$3100 and $3200, respectively. Must keep taxes about no more than the $3000 they would be.
Happy Lunch Hour Diners,
Flo, I'll have a giant up of coffee with lots of cream, please.
Galaxy: of the two plans, I prefer #1. The only feature I like about #2 is the loft space. I like the layout of #1 much better. It flows better. Personally, I like having the bedroom area somewhat separated from the primary living space, but that's just me.
The kitchen in #2 is going to be a very cozy space. One thing that is not good in either plan is that the refrigerator is adjacent to the range in both plans. I would prefer the fridge on the other end. In the first plan, it would expose the fridge to the living space a bit, but you would have better flow from fridge to prep zone (the island) to cleanup zone (the sink). And the island could be lengthened a foot or two into the living space. I could go on, but you get the idea. Also, be advised that both of these plans allow for only a 30" wide fridge. So, if you had your heart set on the big 36" French door bottom freezer ice maker behemoth, you'll be out of luck in the current location.
One thingies that the second plan kitchen is not easily expandable should you want to at a later date.
Also, on the first plan, the water closet is on the opposite side of the shower, which I prefer, but again that's my personal taste.
Like I said in my previous post, I'd be happy to answer any questions or advise when you actually start to do this.
gotta,go.
Jim (with a nod to Mies Van Der Rohe)
Hi galaxy,
Put me down for the first one as well.
Very nice looking home.
I wish you well on this adventure.
Johnboy out....................And thanks for the good health wishes.
from Saskatchewan, in the Great White North..
We have met the enemy, and he is us............ (Pogo)
galaxyUlrich, Thank you!I am surprised you didn't go for the WHidbey, that was the one you liked from before.
... and I still do, just didn´t recognize it from that picture. I wouldn´t want the enclosed kitchen, though, keeping it as an "open" kitchen would certainly add to a more roomy feeling.
This is the one and only issue Petra and I cannot agree upon. She doesn´t like open kitchens, but I do.
Sir Madog Galaxy - I´ll vote for option #1! Looks nice!
Galaxy - I´ll vote for option #1! Looks nice!
Ulrich, Thank you!I am surprised you didn't go for the WHidbey, that was the one you liked from before.
we'll see, it PROBABLY will be the one we do, as it will b the one to most keep MOH happy!
Both properties have all city services [nat. gas, water , sewer and elecetric} to them,
but we foudn the Apalachin property {the .42 acres property} will beTHE ONE, it seemed a "happy property" and the existing garage is SOLID thick brick, well built. it can serve as a garage now, and then later as a shed.
we will see what the zone office has to say in the TOwn of OWego.
Zoe, I'll have the breakfast Bagel with egg and cheese this morning. A large pot of Marrakesh Express Dark Roast coffee would be wonderful as well.
Sir MadogI think the same applies to UK, Canada, USA and both of the OzLands.
Ja das ist korrekt! Eh!
We are currently having a massive Solar Spill going on here in the Finger Lakes Region of NYS! Need to put on some sunscreen before venturing out the door... Yep! A nice day out there. Currently 72°F with a high around 78°F later this afternoon. I may head down cellar and watch the dial spin down there for a while.... Actually I will be continueing the massive cleanup of the house for most of the day.
Todd, I have around 35 years of National Geographic sitting on shelves in one of the bedrooms.... I guess they aren't worth anything either these days. I probably should put them up for sale and see what I could get for them. Most likely would be much easier just to recycle them.....
My "Quote for the day": "I believe in equality for everyone, except reporters and photographers." - Mahatma Gandhi
Have a good one! Later...
up831Ulrich: Yikes!! Somehow I had Brunhilda pictured as looking more like the St. Pauli girl than that. (St. Pauli is a beer mfr. for those who may not know).
up831 - things are getting even worse now! St. Pauli is the red light district of Hamburg, so I would not want to know what a St. Pauli girl looks like
Todd - you know that German is not only spoken in Germany , but also in Switzerland, Austria and parts of Denmark, The Netherlands and Belgium, even France. The only thing that separates these countries (or parts of them) from Germany is the common language ...
I think the same applies to UK, Canada, USA and both of the OzLands.
Foo. The thunderstorms Wednesday took out my computer. I have to find the original Windows disk to recover it. I tried making a "boot disk" on this ancient (2000 vintage) Dell, but it appears that the CD drive will no longer write disks. So, back to cleaning my office (it needed it anyway) to find that stupid disk.
This old machine is very slow. It seems even worse now with the newer, faster cable modem Comcast sent. This computer has an old network card, too, and I'm guessing there's too much traffic for it to handle.
Back when I was like 25 years old, I had a girlfriend who was a physical therapist. I had no injuries or ailments back then, but, well, let's just say she was very skilful.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
Todd
Central Illinoyz
In order to keep my position as Master and Supreme Ruler of the House, I don't argue with my wife.
I'm a small town boy. A product of two people from even smaller towns. I don’t talk on topic….. I just talk.
up831 Ray: Your near death experience by tractor was a harrowing one. Very glad you had the presence of mind to react the way you did.
Ray: Your near death experience by tractor was a harrowing one. Very glad you had the presence of mind to react the way you did.
I had a actually full death exereince, nothing to it, but I'd rather NOt go through it again until the 'final time' it comes.
ANaphylactic shock is no fun that way.
Maybe I should ask for an epi-pen. Someone is bound to give me the wrong med again, assuredly as I stand {sit} here.