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Elliot's Trackside Diner, March 2013

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, March 22, 2013 3:55 AM

Burlington Northern #24

come on payday this BN nut wants those amtrak cars, and some wood for his layout!

This sounds like some of my musician friends...got cash, will buy...Laugh...that includes me as well...Laugh

Good Really Early Morning...for moi at leastWhistling

Yeah...it is one of those mornings wherein one doth not sleepeth very well...so I be up and mucking about with a project railcar..converting an old caboose of indeterminate origin into a transfer caboose thingee...

currently snowing...still...and only 15F out here right now...sighBlindfold

Heading off to work soon for the morning meeting and then off to check my FLHS to see what goodies they have....

Have a good'un!!

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Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Friday, March 22, 2013 6:03 AM

Good morning. Much the same for today as far as plans go, but have some work tonight ('bout time! Need some money here!).

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, March 22, 2013 6:53 AM

Good morning. It's 59° with 100% humidity. The high will be 75° and we might get wet today.


Hopefully I'll be able to work on the layout today with no interruptions. I have no additional plans except to stay dry.



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Posted by TMarsh on Friday, March 22, 2013 6:57 AM

Good Morning!!!

Coffee and oh…..a garden omelet please, thanks.

Mostly sunny, with a high near 45. Now that’s more like it…IndifferentOh you’ve got to be kidding me!!! Really?!! They’re calling for 4 to 8 inches of sn*w from Saturday night to Sunday night. Big Easter Egg Hunt is Saturday the 30th. Temps may not be warm enough to melt that much sn*w and if so, may be a muddy sloppy mess.Grumpy Groundhogs.....hate 'em.Grumpy

Karl- Sad about your friends wife

Chris- Have you tried just like, Krylon clear gloss?

Flip- Glad there’s nothing serious, but prayers for the wife anyway. Never hurts.

(spits coffee…cough cough hack cough) IndifferentAbby? Hotter than Ziva? Not according to me OR a TV Guide poll. Actually Ziva, or Cote De Pablo rather, was voted #1 Hottest Women on TelevisionStick out tongue. I REST my case. Now, let’s not confuse the facts by bringing in other polls as it took me a few to find the one with results I greed with.Whistling

JP- Good for you!!! I wish I’d started a bit smaller for the learning curve myself. Looking forward to the pictures. You know we’re a nosey bunch and just loooove pictures. By the way, how’s the…..girlfriend (?) and the living arrangements going? Still thinking of keeping her?

(if he looks at me funny it’s because I got confused with someone else. It’s been awhile you know)

After listening to Ken all this time, I’m beginning to think away that DCC switch and stick with DC. Probably never run moren one thing at a time anyway. His luck is like mine.Sigh

Welp, today in celebration of the SECOND day of spring and being one day away from potentially the LARGEST SN*Wfall of the year…… I hope to utilize the light in the trainroom I turned on yesterday only to receive a phone call just as I didConfused. You know the rest. I left the light on just like Motel 6. They're CFL. Takes more energy to turn them back on than just to leave them on. Juries out on just how long they have to be on before it evens outHmm. Aaaanyway, gotta w**k tonight so I won’t be getting too involved in things today.

Ya’ll have a good day, ya hear!!!!

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Posted by kbkchooch on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:41 AM

Mornin Gang!! Cowboy

Flo dear, can I get 2 eggs over easy, toast and bacon and a big mug o coffee!

Weather report confusing today. It's written that it is 28 degrees right now, going for a high of 39, but the graph shows a high of 44! They can't get their stories straight!!! Surprise

Of course, a major event happened, as the chief weather prognosticator (I didn't know they traveled in tribes) made a major admission this week.Wink

So much for that!Tongue Tied

Yes, Ziva is hot, Abbey is hot too, in her own funky way. Still those of us who grew up with Wonder Woman will ever get past Lynda Carter. Hottest ever on the TV screen.Stick out tongue

Chris. Get to a craft store, pick up some Krylon Workable Fixatif (Yeah, that's how it's spelled). Goes on really smooth and glossy. I use it on top of Floquil finishes for a nice gloss to decal over, then Dullcoat from there. Works great!!Big Smile

Todd. Yes it is sad, it's hard to see , especially for her kids, but it go weird for me last night. They are postponing  the viewings til Wednesday and services until Thursday on next week! 10 days on ice? I didn't think that was normal. I can only guess at this point they are doing it so that the one son who was in the car with her should be out of the hospital by then and can attend the funeral.

Ken. Your SD9 is the very reason why I hate" Plug & Play" setups. The manufacturers boards are cheap, flimsy or a waste of space. I say chuck em all! Yeah they save time, but if you have to rip it apart later, what have you saved??

I'm off to decal engines today, maybe I'll have the triplets done by the weekend!Sigh

Ulrich?? Anybody?

Cya!

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Posted by JPowell on Friday, March 22, 2013 8:20 AM

Goooood Friday Morning Coffeeshoppers!!!!!!!!! Big Smile  Angel to those that need them.

Flo - Coffee and a frittata w/ swiss cheese and wheat toast, along wiht a side of bacon. We all know everything is better with bacon! I'll be over in the corner booth writing down my Lowe's shopping list so I can get started on my layout. Thanks!

Todd - Yes, still with the girlfriend and yes she and her kid are still living with me. However, not so sure for how much longer though. They're both starting to get on my nerves and upset me. Long list of reasons but to make it short, the g/f and I really don't have anything in common other than firefighting and Boston Red Sox baseball. So, I don't see this lasting through the summer.

Anyways, off to get my Lowe's list going. Hope everone has a good day!

Take care!
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Posted by JPowell on Friday, March 22, 2013 8:21 AM

Oh... almost forgot to ask the 'shop.... is anyone thinking of purchasing the MR Video Plus package?

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Posted by Curt Webb on Friday, March 22, 2013 8:22 AM

Morning All,

Still in the midst of a cold trying to get rid of it. Need to vacuum today and crawl under the layout to try to find the sneak wire that prevents me from isolating the area I want to. I tried the F8 method but when I cycle layout power I have to go back and do F8 individually again. I also want to paint the milk station and milk jugs.

kbkchooch- I laughed at that picture.

Jeff- Nice lighting effect on the rails.

Ulrich- Where are you buddy? I am worried about you.

Hope everybody has a good day and prayers for those in need.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, March 22, 2013 8:39 AM

JPowell
Oh... almost forgot to ask the 'shop.... is anyone thinking of purchasing the MR Video Plus package?

In a word - No.

*

Curt Webb
Jeff- Nice lighting effect on the rails.

Thanks. That's no added effect. I set the camera on 'Night', turned off the room lights, snapped the shot. That's how it came out, no editing whatsoever.

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Posted by cudaken on Friday, March 22, 2013 9:33 AM

 Morning

 Flo, Diet Dew Pleases.

 Back to work, man 2 days off go fast!

 Karl, has a whole I don't care for Plug and Play boards. My normal problem is bad connections for the lights. If they where to solder the wires and not use the plastic caps I be fine with them.

 Todd, as far as sticking with DC, at this point I wonder my self if it was worth it. With that being said, I love it when it works right, problem is when it does not! Bang Head

 Vince's I just tried the SD 9 with it DC plug installed, it runs. So it is the PC Board. By the way the GP 20 is still working! Big Smile You might be off the hook on that one!

 Ulrich, where are you buddy!

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Posted by howmus on Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 AM

Mornin' everyone!

Zoe, a big bowl of hot oatmeal with brown sugar and lots of dark roast coffee along side in my R&GV RR mug might warm me up on this sn*wy gray, dark morning here in the Finger Lakes.

Currently 28°F with lots of little white thingies blowing around outside.  Looked outside when I got up this morning, and everything had turned white.  Wouldn't be bad except i have to drive to Canandaigua in it this afternoon.

I went to the Museum meeting last night in Rochester.  Had an excellent slide program on the Hojack Bridge that was removed last fall.  The first part was a series of photos made in the 1970's by a good friend of mine.  He had fantastic close ups of gears and other workings of the swing bridge.  The second part of the program was by the gentleman who documented on an almost daily basis the demolition and removal of the structure.

Got home well after 10PM and found a message on my phone machine from an old teacher friend of mine *Worked with her at the Middle School) to please call her.  She started by telling me her husband and she were OK but there was some bad news she had to tell me.  I called back this morning and sit here now waiting for her to call me back (phone tag).  I did find out who died though as it will be in tonight's local paper.  It was the daughter of another person who taught in the Fine and Practical Arts dept. at the Middle School (my dept.).  Have no idea what happened, and there are no clues in the Obituary.  She was 55.

I need to haul in some firewood and get the wood stove going...

Later!

73

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, March 22, 2013 10:31 AM

cudaken
I just tried the SD 9 with it DC plug installed, it runs. So it is the PC Board.

Ken: Disconnect the motor wires from the pc board and connect them directly to the decoder. That should solve your motor issue.

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Posted by cudaken on Friday, March 22, 2013 11:16 AM

 Boy I was confused this morning. With my work hours changing on a daily bases I got ready for work a hour to early!

 

jeffrey-wimberly
Ken: Disconnect the motor wires from the pc board and connect them directly to the decoder. That should solve your motor issue.

 So Jeffery, that all I need to do? Boy that sounds way to simple. Wire the LED's the PC board or to the decoder? What about the resistors on the board, they get pretty hot.

  Time for work for real this time! Whistling

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Posted by AmanaMedic on Friday, March 22, 2013 11:42 AM

Good morning!

OK, THAT's two recommendations for Krylon. Thanks guys! Big SmileNext time I'm in Wally-World, I'll grab a can, or might send the Wife into the crafty crap store some evening after she gets off w**k. She's already in Cedar cRapids, I'm not, so makes more sense for her to make a slight detour than for me to make a long haul for a can or two.  Plus, I got dragged into one of those crafty crap stores a few months ago...terrible thing. My man card started to incinerate itself, certain "parts" felt as though they were shrinking. Couldn't get back out the door quick enough, and THAT was even after hanging out in the aisle with drafting tools as long as possible! Seeing grown men fawining over po-pour-ee stuff Hmm...with others drooling over wicker, Lord, get me the heck outta there!

I knew there was a flat spray from Krylon THAT guys like JEFFREY have had good luck with, shoulda figured they'd make a gloss too. Huh?  I'm doing some experimenting with THAT bottle of floor polish. It looks like maybe if I was to slap on several coats, several very heavy coats, it might do the job. It's a little too thick for THAT! I'm also testing out a theory on making paper paintable without having it curl up like a cinnamon stick. Eventually, I may get around to using the polish for its designated purpose: polishing up the nasty, crappy vinyl floor in the kitchen. 

Oh what a surprise THAT would be for the Wife: first, seeing the crappy floor SHINE, and second, slipping and sliding around like a 5'-4" tornado when her socks hit the gloss!Mischief

JP: Man, your situation sounds familiar. Add two more kids, make it EMS/paramedic school instead of firefighting (although she was a Chief's daughter and I was a Captain when the disaster started)... Seems to me, it either "is," or it "isn't." Sounds like it isn't. THAT said, I hope things w**k out for the best for all involved.

In other news, views and opinionated opinions, I'm with TODD, the choo choo set will stay DC based on the chronic P.I.T.A guys are having with THAT DCC stuff. I'm also looking at only one train moving at any given time, any other trains would be stuck waiting for a shot on the single track anyway, and a simple little switch THAT can turn the power to the track off will do the job just fine, thank you very much! No programming, nothing "fried," no re-setting, no speed matching, just a little "click," and the train goes or doesn't.

Simple is GOOD!

Have a good, simple, SAFE day!

Chris (in Iowa, where yet another blizzard is heading our way. Spring? HA!) 

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Friday, March 22, 2013 11:58 AM

hahahahaha, I'll join the crowd and stick with DC. with my luck my trains probably wouldn't move, too many buttons on them controllers!

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, March 22, 2013 12:02 PM

Howdy ....

Flip .... You said it was not serious, but I hope Mrs. Flip is okay. Prayers for her. .... Ocala was where Shelley's sister lived until a few years ago. We moved her here to help with many problems she had. Sadly, she passed away about a year later.

Todd ..... A garden omelete? ..... I hope the cook pulled the weeds first. Whistling ..... Was it Barry-sized?

Ken in Maryland ..... Glad you stopped in the Diner. Please feel free to stop in again and talk with us about your layout.

Cuda Ken .... Beofre doing too much with the SD9, I would make sure the lights don't need resistors. I'm not sure. I have 6 of the SD7's and SD9's and they still have the circuit boards with no problems.

JP ... Good to see you and keep us informed about the layout you will build.

Chris .... That's a funny name, craft crapo store ...... Actually, I have found good stuff for layout construction in some of those stores. Hobby Lobby had HO trains until about a year ago. They were a good source for Woodland Scenics materials too. If that stuff was on the clearance table, the prices were great.

Ray .... Sorry to hear about your friend's daughter.

Barry .... Feel free to tell more about the transfer caboose thingee.

Ulrich ..... Where are you?

Cheers, everybody

GARRY

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, March 22, 2013 12:08 PM

cudaken
So Jeffery, that all I need to do? Boy that sounds way to simple. Wire the LED's the PC board or to the decoder? What about the resistors on the board, they get pretty hot.

If the LED's are working on the board leave them hooked up there. The main job of the resistors on the board is to cut the amount of power going to the motor so it doesn't start turning until the lights come on in DC mode. Hooking the motor direct to the decoder isn't going to hurt the motor. Take my word on this. I do it all the time. If anything the loco will be faster and will have more power. So leave the lights connected as they are. Disconnect the motor wires from the board and connect them to the orange and gray wires of the decoder. It'll work. If you can't do it send it to me and I'll do it.

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Posted by AmanaMedic on Friday, March 22, 2013 1:08 PM

GARRY: I think there is a Hobby Lobby in the Quad Cities, THAT's about as far as driving to Cedar cRapids. It was a, "Michael's," I think, THAT I was dragged into kicking and screaming. It may as well have been a "Michelle's" instead!! Needed a testosterone infusion after being in there! Thankfully there was a Harbor Freight nearby where I was able to be in the presence of manly tools, "Man Land," if you will,  for a period of recovery!

Chris (in Iowa, enjoying a day of rest before a packed Saturday for THAT Editor) 

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Posted by galaxy on Friday, March 22, 2013 2:45 PM

well

what a tiring day.

Went to the dermatologist. Fungal infection explains why it wouldn't clear up. GOt a script for it.

Went to turn in bottle and cans..got $26 and change will be spent for toiletries at WAlly World tomorrow.

went and go the new insert for my CPAP machine.

Wen to the pharmacy and got secveral scripts.

Made several calls thins AM too, both Me ANd MOH.

MOH preparing for the Volunteeer orientation next monday and Drs. appt earlier, then blood work at the hospital before the orientation. GO tthe catalog for LPN this afternoon.

SO now tired of running.

Pork loin roast in the oven for diner.

I think nap is in order!

Geeked

 

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Posted by Cederstrand on Friday, March 22, 2013 3:05 PM

Columbian coffee in an UNDECORATED mug, please.

Looks like the T1 4-4-4-4 has shipped. YIKES, really need to get busy working on the new benchwork. Farm stuff keeps absorbing what little energy I have, inspite of having 2 hired hands at the moment. Got a fair amount done on the farm today. Now I have a stack of wood to split (oak, poplar, hickory, etc...) all of which is ready to burn. With rain coming, will go work on that for a bit, but have little left in the tank (my tank, not the splitter).

Hope everyone is having a good day.

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Posted by fec153 on Friday, March 22, 2013 4:37 PM

TODD and GARRY- Thanks for the prayers. CARPAL TUNNEL-Release. Wrist gift wrapped with a four inch diameter bandage.

B N 24- I agree. D C works fine for me. Atlas switches and controllers for block control do the job. Train goes thru turnout onto siding, push button, train stops. Now other train passes by. Negative perspiration.

Some of you will smile at the next-  The older we get, the fewer things seem worthwhile waiting in line for.

Prayers and Blessings to all.

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Posted by chochowillie on Friday, March 22, 2013 5:24 PM

jeffrey-wimberly
LED's are working on the board leave them hooked up there. The main job of the resistors on the board is to cut the amount of power going to the motor so it doesn't start turning until the lights come on in DC mode. Hooking the motor direct to the decoder isn't going to hurt the motor. Take my word on this. I do it all the time.

I just tore down my Bachmann GP35 Loco with DCC on board decoder. The idea was to change out the decoder because I think it's fried to a Digitrax DZ123 decoder. and put in my own led's

The idea was to get rid of the Bachmann decoder board totally. Does this sound like a reasonable approach to you? All this talk about leaving the board in for the lights is ah.... confusing me. Mind you it doesn't take much to do that some daysHuh?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, March 22, 2013 5:36 PM

chochowillie

I just tore down my Bachmann GP35 Loco with DCC on board decoder. The idea was to change out the decoder because I think it's fried to a Digitrax DZ123 decoder. and put in my own led's

The idea was to get rid of the Bachmann decoder board totally. Does this sound like a reasonable approach to you? All this talk about leaving the board in for the lights is ah.... confusing me. Mind you it doesn't take much to do that some daysHuh?

If you want to put in a different decoder and install your own LED's and resistors just go ahead. There's nothing to it. Connect the right rail pickups to the red wire, left rail pickups to the black wire. Gray wire connects to wire from the bottom of the motor and orange wire connects to wire from the top of the motor. Blue wire is your common + for the lights. White wire - for front light, yellow wire - for rear light. Like I said, nothing to it. After you've done a couple you'll be able to do it in your sleep.

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Friday, March 22, 2013 6:13 PM

fec153

TODD and GARRY- Thanks for the prayers. CARPAL TUNNEL-Release. Wrist gift wrapped with a four inch diameter bandage.

B N 24- I agree. D C works fine for me. Atlas switches and controllers for block control do the job. Train goes thru turnout onto siding, push button, train stops. Now other train passes by. Negative perspiration.

Some of you will smile at the next-  The older we get, the fewer things seem worthwhile waiting in line for.

Prayers and Blessings to all.

Phil   aka Flip

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However, to each their own pain.

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Posted by Packer on Friday, March 22, 2013 6:39 PM

Evening guys.

Just got back from trying to sell stuff in pensacola. I didn't sell any of my extra stuff, but I had a bunch of people asking about it. Maybe tomorrow someone will have the money. And I should be able to go to harbour frieght too, so I can get a plier and an air eraser.

Ken, If I recall right those boards are set up for 1.5v. I don't think LEDs will work with them. Personally on mine, I mill the frames a little bit and and some metal in other places to get me a flat surface. Then I install an ALB decoder.

anyways, my head is hurting. I'll be back in later...

Vincent

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Posted by chochowillie on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:24 PM

jeffrey-wimberly
Like I said, nothing to it. After you've done a couple you'll be able to do it in your sleep.

And get rid of the Bachmann decoder... Right?

Thanks as always Jeffrey

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:29 PM

chochowillie
And get rid of the Bachmann decoder... Right?

Oh but of course. On the other hand you could set it up as some strange artifact an archeologist just dug up.Blindfold

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  • Member since
    December 2011
  • From: Bradford County, PA
  • 1,319 posts
Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:30 PM

Hello. Nice to finally get on today.

Not a whole lot to do today. Did some more body work on the ol' P-38J. Still plenty of body work to do on it, but I'm going to be able to do some more painting on it soon.

The Lehigh Valley Railroad, the Route of the Black Diamond Express, John Wilkes and Maple Leaf.

-Jake, modeling the Barclay, Towanda & Susquehanna.

  • Member since
    June 2012
  • 2,297 posts
Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Friday, March 22, 2013 7:51 PM

hmmmm, was at the hardware store today looking around with my dad. saw a bunch of wire, switches and all this other stuff. I wish I knew how to wire so I can figure out, how to wire my layout.

SP&S modeler, 1960's give or take a decade or two for some equipment.

 http://www.youtube.com/user/SGTDUPREY?feature=guide 

Gary DuPrey

N scale model railroader 

  • Member since
    January 2011
  • From: Alberta, Canada
  • 624 posts
Posted by chochowillie on Friday, March 22, 2013 8:04 PM

jeffrey-wimberly
On the other hand you could set it up as some strange artifact an archeologist just dug up.Blindfold

Right or maybe Lion would have some obscure use for it.Big Smile What do you think about that Lion?

Dennis

CDN Dennis 

Modeling the HO scale something or other RR in the shadow of the Canadian Rockies Alberta, Canada

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