Good evening Leon, I see that you have the taps closed for maintenance oh well a bottle of Keith's then if you please. Bit of a slower one today but still some good material all the same
Tom-Sounds like a bit of work still needs to be done to get your trip all squared away,I'm sure you can get something worked out.The YT is indeed a wild place, I haev a friend that was a field geologist for a good ten years most of which was spent in the wilds of the YT and Northern BC's interior , he's told many an interesting story . few places left in North America where one can't just jump into a car or fly into without difficulty,makes it all the more reason to go I figure.
Thanks for all the dome names and info, neat to know how different everyone's descriptions can be for the same thing.
I got a happy shock last night.We went down to St Catharines to see my folks, and on those trips on a friday night I always take about an hour and swing by the Hobby shop down town, to see my old modelling freinds. Anyway what to my wonder Ray the owner had just brought in a huge shipment of stuff from Bachman mostly On30 he has a huge group of On30ers in St Kitts, anyway on a whim he brought in a new product from Bachman's spectrum line, an honest to god Small Peter Witt streetcar, just like the one's you rode at the musuem, they are undecorated but have full lights are DCC compatible if you are of that stripe and they haev a small underframe type motor with flywheels and a full interior.Needless to say I bought one and put another on hold. Painted one's are comming out in the next few month's. Brooklyn , Chicago, Baltimore and Cleveland are the first painted one's. The TTC opperated over two hundred of them so hopefully they will eventually be offered as well,I have some CDS dry transfers for TTC Witt's but factory painted one's will be nice as well.only $100 CDN as well
Allan-Thanks for your kind words. It is disheartenning seeing hardwork get destroyed by some ungratefull Yuppie larve,but we shall perservere and make the G's better than ever. the biggest kicker is that we have got them operational and fitted with an overhead pole so we can run them on the museum's trackage ( we don't use third rail at all )They will be back.
eric-great info on the x2000 and some neat pictures. thanks for last nights shot of ebven more bigboy plumbing. If you want I think H&H have aquired the services of a certain Brunette,come to Molly's and you amy yet meet her
Rob
Good evening Captain Tom and all present!!
A ham sandwich would be great, Leon! A cold Keith's, please!
A very quiet Saturday at "Our" Place this Saturday! I guess people are busy taking care of whatever is on their "to do" list.
Tom – "put up or...", hmm wonder what that could mean? Put up or... ahh, I know, put up or come up (to the Penthouse Suite)! That's it! Let me just find the brunette and we'll be there shortly!
Thanks for the dome car lists! I have copied them for future reference!
Allan – It will be nice to get it (the surgery) done so I can start eating things I like again. Glad you liked the photos.
Here is a short info on
X2000 in Revenue ServiceWhen Amtrak leased the Swedish X2000 in 1992-93 they wanted to test it to find out if it was a train that could be used as a base for their future high speed trains. Testing was not enough, they also wanted to use it in revenue service to find out how their passengers would like a train like X2000. 02/01/93 was the date for the first run with paying passengers. X2000 operated from Washington D.C. (WAS) 12:00 PM as Metroliner 112 to Penn Station, New York City (NYP). Media was on the platform already at 7 in the morning! The train was almost full at departure time. We arrived to Penn Station 10 minutes early.
Time for the first departure in revenue service, Washington D.C. 02/01/93
Train 112.
Timetable.
Before departure a bottle of champagne was smashed against the coupler. As shown on TV. The return trip was as Express Metroliner 223. Departure from NYP, at 4:30 PM. 02/15/93 we changed to train 114, departure WAS 1:00 PM. Stopped in Baltimore, Wilmington, Philadelphia, Metropark and Newark.Back to Washington as train 125, departure NYP 6:00 PM arriving WAS 9:00 PM. Stopped in Newark, Philadelphia, Wilmington, Baltimore, BWI Airport, and New Carrollton. Starting 03/22/93 the X2000 operated as Express Metroliner 202. Departure time from WAS 6:50 AM. Only one stop at New Carrollton and then straight to New York. From NYP as train 223 leaving 4:30 PM stopping in Baltimore and New Carrollton. Arrival time WAS 7:10 PM. According to the conductors the number of passengers on train 223 after a couple of weeks had increased from 40-60 to 175-200.
Penn Station, the crew is ready for the return trip to WashingtonAccording to Amtrak’s marketing they saw a 10% increase of passengers on all Metroliners two weeks after the X2000 was put into service thanks to the big interest from media. Beginning with the April, 1993 timetable, the X2000 operated in Metroliner Service between Washington and New Haven (NVH). Departure WAS 6:50 AM as train 202. Arriving NYP 9:25 AM. 202 was extended to NHV where it arrived 11:15 AM. Returned as train 223, departure NVH 2:30 PM, departure NYP 4:30 and arriving WAS at 7:10 PM. The trains between New York and New Haven were never officially announced/advertised so the number of passengers were small. Last day of revenue service for this period was May 7. After arriving to New Haven as train 202 we continued to Boston with help of two RTL’sMonday May 10 the Western New York Demo started. The X2000 was then on tour around the country with just a few short breaks until July 22. The Canadian Tour started July 25 and we came back to Washington 9:53 PM August 1. August 5 period 2 of revenue service started. Now as train 106, departure WAS 9:00 AM. Returned as train 117. The last day of revenue service for the X2000 was September 29, 1993.After that the ICE train was operated in revenue service until November/December 1993. I am not sure about the dates for the ICE. It was very interesting to listen and talk to the passengers riding the X2000 during these periods of revenue service. They were very enthusiastic about the train. People came from all over the country to get a chance to ride the X2000. When the train was operated from the cab car, we had the door to the cab open and let people come in and have a look when the train was running. That was very much appreciated.
Eric
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the crew please Leon.
Rob. The mindless always lack respect for anyone and any properties, you guys deserve a medal for all the hard work you put in to your restoration work, and to have to do it again must be really disheartening. Enjoyed all your great trolley pics and info and the TTC Part 2.
Chris. Nice lot of Frisco pics and story of your Linwood Yard trip way back when, nice shot of you on 4006, that "smoking" diesel looked as if it needed a "stoker" on board! Nice write up and pics on Mopac and the "cabeese". Was that the Johnny Carson video you asked the Sir question on? for some reason it would`nt load fully on my PC, am on dial up service and some u-tube video`s won`t play sometimes.
Eric. Great to read you have your surgery date now, it`ll soon be here. Thanks for the link to the Council Bluffs museum, great site, and all those nice pics of the engineer`s area`s.
Dan. Nice to see you back again, nice link to the Bluebell Railway, thanks.
Pete. What a great sight those two streamliners will make at the NRM at York, I wish they had saved Silver Link as well, it would have made a great exhibit in it`s silver paint job! Thanks for the Backtrack magazine links and those great pics of Alan`s. Hope your winter weather has improved a bit now?
CM3. Very interesting write up on the B&O pullmans and the New Colombian as well, thanks for that.
Mike. Thanks for those links and great pics and that u-tube link was great.
Lars. Thanks for the really great varied selection of covers from the Larsman Mobile, hope you are having lots of SUN down there on the Key`s?
Tom. Sorry to read about that tourists bad experience on that NZ rail trip, did they mention any specific train? The TranzAlpine has a very good reputation, although the Overlander from Auckland to Wellington leaves a lot to be desired as the rolling stock stems from the late 1930`s, they`ve been rebuilt numerous times and are to be replaced with refurbished BR Mk2 coaches, and the whole rail network was run down and asset stripped over time, here are some links that explain what occured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_New_Zealand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranz_Rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Richwhite
Sorry to read that your Alaska trip is on the back burner at the moment, you would have been really looking forward to all the snow as well as your favourite mode of travel! Thanks for all the great posts, the Montreal Central station and pics, link to the White Pass and Yukon RR, great Capitol Ltd info and pics, that breakfast menu was an eye opener, look at the price`s! and such a big selection of Dome car name`s as well!
See ya, Allan
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
G'day Gents!
Here's something initially Posted on 21 Apr 2006, page 310 over on the Original Thread!
DOME NAMES
Ever wonder about the different names applied to passenger cars with domes I have! Check out this list found on www.trainweb.org
These are "generic" names listed in two parts - 1st by name; 2nd by railroad:
BY NAME
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"Astra Domes" - General Motors
"Astra Domes" - UP
"Big Domes" - ATSF full domes
"Big Domes" - Auto Train ex ATSF cars
"Colorados" - Holland America Colorado Railcar "Ultra Domes"
"Dome Cars" - Amtrak
"Dome Cars" - N&W
"Dome Cars" - Southern
"Domeliners" - UP trains with dome cars (generic)
"Domes" - Holland America (generic to differentiate from 'Colorados')
"Goldleaf Domes" - Rocky Mountaineer (honorary)
"Great Domes" - GN
"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - ATSF "El Cap" lounges (honorary)
"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - Amtrak ex-ATSF lounges (honorary)
"Lounge in the Sky" - NP rebuilt sleepers
"Luxury Domes" - Transcisco
"Maxi Domes" - Ferrovias Mexicanas ex US baggage cars cars
"Maxi Domes" - Auto Train ex UP cars
"Mini Domes" - Auto Train ex WP cars
"Park" cars - CP Rail observation domes
"Park" cars - VIA Rail observation domes
"Planetarium" dome - IGN
"Planetarium" domes - MP
"Planetarium" dome - T&P
"Pleasure Domes" - ATSF short domes
"Princess Domes" - Amtrak ex Princess Tours cars
"Princess Domes" - Princess Tours ex-MILW cars
"Scenadomes" - Holland America Westours
"Sceneramic Domes" - CN
"Scenic Domes" - CP Rail (all)
"Sightseer Lounges" - Amtrak Superliner lounges (honorary)
"Skyline" cars - CP Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skyline" cars - VIA Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skytops" - Milwaukee Road observations (honorary)
"Stairway to the Stars" - SP
"Strata Domes" - B&O
"Sun Lounges" - SAL (honorary)
"Super Domes" - Milwaukee Road
"Turbo Domes" - Amtrak for their UA Turbos
"Turbo Domes" - PC/USDOT (honorary)
"Turquoise Domes" - ATSF short domes (not official)
"Ultra Domes" - Princess Tours ex SP bi-levels
"Vista Domes" - Alaska RR
"Vista Domes" - C&O
"Vista Domes" - CB&Q (originator of the term)
"Vista Domes" - D&RGW
"Vista Domes" - GN short domes
"Vista Domes" - IC
"Vista Domes" - NP short domes
"Vista Domes" - SCL
"Vista Domes" - SP&S
"Vista Domes" - Wabash
"Vista Domes" - WP
BY RAILROAD
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R'nR time has arrived on this day called SATURDAY! Alls' ready for ya - so let's get a move on with the coffee - pastries ‘n breakfasts!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Friday - Jan 11th:
Rob (trolleyboy) at 10:12 AM: Oh without a doubt <doot in your parlance!> TOs Union Station is a "going concern." Love the joint - just have found facets of the other "temples" equally impressive. Can't say one is better, all ‘round, than any other. BUT as stated, the outside appearance of TOs Union Station just can't be beat - terrific!
Your humor IS appreciated - always! Just having a bit of trouble figuring out YOUR use of the language (one of two "oh-fish-ul" ones, that is!). <grin>
Thanx for the "Mungo" explanation . . . makes sense now!
Spent a bit of time chatting with a fellow up in the Yukon Territory (YT) today. Looking pretty promising for a trip - just have to work out the air itinerary to ensure we can squeeze in everything we want to do in the rather brief time allotted.
The White Pass & Yukon RR provides a most scenic run (6 hours) from Skagway, Alaska to a place called Carcross, YT. We'd spend a few days in the YT before heading back to Skagway by train . . . Huge "issue" is getting to Skagway from Juneau - no highway, no scheduled air, ferry sked not out yet. Stay tuned.
Many thanx for the $$$$ ‘n visit - Enjoy your weekend, Mate!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 11:32 AM: "Happens" from time to time - hate it when my fingers get stuck between the keys! <grin>
Lars (LoveDomes) at 11:47 AM: Another 6-pack of splendid book covers from our Manager!
Received your Email ‘n responded - thanx!
Here's the "deal" regarding Pete, Rob ‘n Eric: Pete's "earned' the promotion - Rob has been "drafted" ‘n Eric has been called to "put up, or . . . ." <grin> Figure it out! I'd not spend too much time fretting about the ‘sanctity' of the Penthouse Suite! <grin>
Many thanx for your dedication to the bar, and of course the ROUND! Have a great weekend!
Dan (DL-UK) at 12:30 PM: When the "wander lust" strikes me, it ALWAYS involves trains. Alaska holds as a most special place for me - and given the opportunity, it's just at the top of my list to visit again <and again>.
And of course there's absolutely no way one could compare the railroading going on in the UK, lower-48 in the U.S. or Canada with our 49th state as so much of it is true wilderness, rugged and inaccessible. But for what IS available by rail - well, one just has to experience it to believe it. ‘nuf said . . .
Another factor that has come into play is the PPoor value of the U.S. dollar. For what we can arrange in the U.S. ‘n Canada compared to many places in Europe these days - staying home makes more financial sense. Canada's buck is just about the same as ours - so no big deal.
We DID explore the air fares to the UK - but couldn't believe the prices for 1st class. Unbelievable - staggering is another word. I'm NOT flying long distances crammed into a coach seat unless handcuffed ‘n under arrest! <grin>
Two visits to the bar in two days! That hasn't been experienced in quite awhile - thanx for the chat ‘n visit! Bon weekend, Mate!
Page 167 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 3:51 PM: A 3rd visit from our Resident WVA Connection - I don't recall the last time that occurred! AND rounds ‘n quarters with each! <double wow>
B&O material is ALWAYS appreciated ‘n is about as CLASSIC as it gets, eh
Good morning Captain Tom and all present!!
Leon, I think I'll just have a triple hamburger with raw onions, mushrooms and curly fries! A super-sized coke to drink!
A little bit too much activities here today. The 3,333rd post ended up in the wrong place. I am deeply depressed.
Chris – Yeah, you are right about us Night-Loons, always into something. At least almost always. Thanks for the info on that beheaded U30c! Glad to hear it got a cab later.Interesting MoP-photos! The 1720-class had the booster engine on the rear truck. That was kind of unusual, wasn’t it? Thanks for the photo of the Mopac caboose! Here is another one.Atchison, KS. May 2007.Interesting story about engines #7000 and 7001! Good looking locomotives!Mike – Interesting Big Boy videos! Something else, that is for sure. Amtrak’s problems with their Missouri line are well known here at the Bar after Tom’s and Pete’s reports from their trips to Kansas City. Glad to see that the state is trying to do something to help Amtrak.
CM3 – Thanks for part III of the sleeper service report. They certainly had a lot of trains to choose from years ago! Three days across the country. Sounds like a good way to spend some time!If you need cheaper gas, come to Phoenix. Today $2.90 (rounded), going down. I know Tom mentioned the Collusion center has the same price, but it is a little bit warmer here. The Strata Dome Car, is that the one where the interior picture was taken seen in Tom’s post? I agree, B&O’s ad Strata-Dome_car ad is pretty good! Tom – FYI, I did not have any wide page phenomen checking Pete’s post. I would love to visit Montréal’s Central Station. I guess most people speak French there. I probably know 5-6 words in French so that should not be a problem though. Capitol Limited was obviously the train to ride! Nothing like it at all today. The dome car looked different. Can’t you make sure that the brunette takes next flight to Phoenix, I’ll pick her up at the airport! I will never forget how my chance to see her was ruined by too many posts earlier today. As you can see, Pete’s post was actually my post but his computer screwed up. Rob – Yes, there are a lot of stuff crammed into a locomotive cab. Here is another picture from the Big Boy cab.
Lars – Don’t worry, Pete got post #3,333, so I will remain outside the Penthouse Suite. I never had a chance, did I? Nice book covers, as always! I’ll go for the New Haven Railroad book!DL – Thank you for the nice words! I like my retirement so far even though I have promised to work part time until mid December this year. But it is still much better than full time. Nen Valley, okay I’ll will check them. Thanks!Pete – I missed the 3,333th post and guess who claimed it? So I also missed the brunette! Disaster, disaster!! Nice photos of good looking German steam locomotives! As I mentioned earlier, class 44 and 52 are impressive locomotives! The Russiam diesel looks very Russian to me. Thank you, Alan!
I'll be back later!
Good evening Leon , another great day here north of the boarder ( tongue in cheek ) at least the winds were only gusting to 70kph and the rain and hail bits were only slightly blowing sideways, then it got warmer and the sun actually came out for a few seconds,oh well january in southwestern Ontario gotta love it sort of.Well Leon a Keith's and a bit o steak if there is some left medium with lots of fried onions and mushrooms.
Lars-Good to see you again sir, it made Ruth stop weeping for a couple of minutes. Mind you Boris has been attentive and has been making sure that she has lots of kleenex.Go away a couple of days (daze) and everyone seems to be getting onto the payroll.That just proves how big of shoes you have to be filled Great book covah's as always
Dl-Good to see you again, thanks for providing the info on the G cars to Pete I hadn't yet dug up the info.
The G cars they day they arrived at the museum.
Pete-Evening again sir.Some good german steam shots lots of detail in that picture of the Russian deisel as well.W28 was indeed a conversion car as built in 1917 she would have looked exactly the same as sister 55.All the metal cladding and bus windows make her hard to convert back to a passenger car so it was decided to leave her in the work car format. When converted to the rail grinder she also became single ended and was upgraded to air brakes. 55 remains double ended and still has handbrakes only !
I hope you make it to Molly's choc pudding wrestling / tupperware party tomorrow night. H&H have bought new matching evening wrerstling wear in coodinating red and black leather
Tom- Great info and pics on the B&O passenger stuff, loved it
Shane-Some good follow up B&O passenger stuff as well , dovetailed nicly with the bossman's
Hi Tom and all A quick Bathams please RUTH
CM3 Just caught your post..
Many thanks for the great ad on the Columbian Strata Dome. It indeed must have been a wonderful sight to see those steam hauled coal trains in the night from the dome car.
Looking forward to the KCS/MP material.
TOM owing to a computer glitch my last post,the 3,333 th one I believe, was really done by ERIC.
At least I tried Eric.
This just in from our Zeppelin mail service Oh Eric, how could you! And here I finally FOUND you, but alas, you've passed up an opportunity for 3,333!
Oh Eric, how could you! And here I finally FOUND you, but alas, you've passed up an opportunity for 3,333!
Oh well, whatchagonnado Guess Wolfman Pete gets the 'stale ale' for this most "significant" of Posts . . . <grin>
Classic Trains Yeah buddy - how 'bout this one!!
Train #5; The Capitol Limited; 10 cars. Photographed: Chicago, Ill., August 11, 1939. <Foto: Otto Perry>
See y'all in the 'morrow!
Tom
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ROB The weather sounds real bad in your area hope you all OK with those high winds about.
I agree Mentis does look very good in the CN paint scheme, it would have been interesting to know where the car was going too, on that Kansas City to Chicago via St Louis Amtrak train.
Many thanks for the TCR,TSR and the TYRR histories. Good to see the photos of some of the saved cars in your museum. TCR #55 looks great in that livery and I guess W28 was a rebuild from a service car we were talking about. Great to see #416 being restored to her former glory, it certainly is a good looking car and many thanks for the info on 416's restoration it shows how much work and money goes into the resturation.
Enjoyed the info on Mungo and I like the new avatar.
ERIC Real glad you have got the date for your surgery and you will soon be back to full fitness.
I can't think of a Swedish locomotive at the Blue Bell railway I hope DL is able to help.
Yes it could be today that the 3,333th post is made., I see Tom has warned my off giving you any help in winning the contest.
The other photo was taken at Kirkwood after I had arrived on Amtrak, I was doing a ‘Steathy Pete' while Tom was looking for me.
Many thanks for the cab photos of the SF and the JS 8419.
CHRIS I had another look at your photos from yesterday and it was lucky chance to get the old ‘Eagle Merchandise' boxcar in the photo, as we were talking to Rob about old cars being used in departmental use long after other cars of the same type had long disappeared. Many thanks for the history of the boxcar. I have noticed here that some of the boxcars that pass through here still have names of railroad companies that are no longer in operation.
Thanks for the kind words on the museum photo in the snow, I thought it was one of my better photos, as Tom will tell you I do not have a lot of luck with cameras.
Many thanks for the photos around Kirkwood Hill, as you say, Oh for a time machine to see and hear those helpers in full cry in on the hill. Interesting history of E-3sw # 7000 and 7001.
MIKE Many thanks for the link to that great U-Tube site had great enjoyment looking at some of the videos and I will return to the site again, what great locos those Big Boys are.
I think the only way to relieve the line between here and Kansas City is to double the track although I doubt that will happen.
Great NYC photos and posters, thanks for sharing.
CM3 Many thanks for adding the great details on Mike and Chris's photos. That locomotive on the NYC Empire State Express looks immaculate and fits so well with the train cars. I bet those wheels took a lot of cleaning work to keep white.
Thanks for the B&O sleeping car service to the West Coast, it seems the cars spent a fair while in Chicago.
LARS Great to see you in the bar. See what happens when you are away, a new assistant, promotion for me and a chance Eric will get to get inside the Penthouse Suite, although you will glad to know I still am not allowed near the Suite.
Another great selection of covers from the Larsman Mobile. I guess the Vintage rails magazine was the forerunner of Classic Trains
DL I see in the Backtrack magazine it gives this e-mail address for the editor
mike.blakemore@virgin.net
Yes the Bluebell do a really great job of c
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. I just stopped by for a minute and saw all of that B&O material. Here's some 1950 era ad material about the "Strata-Dome" car.
"The New Columbian
B&O's Diesel-electric Strta-Dome Coach Streamliner between
Chicago-Akron-Pittsburgh-Washington-Baltimore-Philadelphia-New York (Strata-dome car in service between Chicago and Washington)
Thrilling Strata-Dome! High above the rails, you enjoy sights at every point of the compass; rippling rivers, shadowy hills, the twinkling lights of tiny towns, the flashingfires ot great steel mills. And overhead, the bright, quiet beauty of the moon and stars."
"Those who Know...Use B&O!"
Pretty good, I think.
As a scheduling note train 5, the westbound Columbian would have been oiperating in the dark hours (depending on the time of year) from about Cumberland to around Garrett. Yikes, going oer Sand Patch in the dark in a dome car with steam engines on coal trains all around. Quick, Boris, let's fire up the time machine. Eastbound you would be in the dark hours fraom about Garrett to Cumberland.
I'd better get out of here as it is dark and abt. time to strike the tent. BTW, I am working on KCS material as promised. KCS heads into MP service as well which makes it even more interesting. This'll will have to appear in parts as it will otherwise become a data dump (lol).
I know, Boris, you have been busy sharpening quill pens for me and I appreciate your work, but did you have to drink up a gallon of our best ink? Indelible, indeed!
Have a good weekend and see y'all on Monday - Go Giants!
work safe
Another interesting day at "Our" Place as we've seen a spate of activity all geared to keeping things rollin' along! Thanx to all . . .
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Back in the Day
# Ten - Baltimore & Ohio Railroad's Capitol Limited
Caveat: All narrative, fotos & graphics from wikipedia.com with their authority. Material NOT corroborated.
The Capitol Limited was an American passenger train run by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, originally between New York City and Grand Central Station in Chicago, Illinois via Union Station, Washington, D. C. and Pittsburgh. For almost 48 years, it was the B&O's flagship passenger train, noted for personalized service and innovation. At the time of its discontinuation on May 1, 1971, when Amtrak took over most rail passenger service in the U.S., the Capitol Limited operated between Washington and Chicago.
B&O Capitol Ltd <Public Domain>
The Capitol Limited, in common with most name trains in the U.S. by the late 1950s, suffered steadily declining patronage as the traveling public abandoned trains in favor of airplanes and the automobile. The B&O gave up on competing with the Pennsylvania Railroad into New York, discontinuing all passenger service north of Baltimore on April 26, 1958. Thereafter, the Capitol Limited operated between Washington and Chicago as a through train, with a few cars originating in Baltimore, until 1966. Other B&O passenger trains were combined with the Capitol Limited: the Ambassador to Detroit and the formerly all-coach Columbian to Chicago.
Capitol Ltd - Dome car interior - <Public Domain>
With the advent of Amtrak on May 1, 1971, the Capitol Limited was discontinued by the B&O, along with all of its other passenger trains (except for local commuter services). For the final run of the old Capitol Limited on April 29, 1971, the B&O ran the entire trainset from Baltimore's Camden Station, including the dome car. The B&O printed special commemorative tickets and returned its bottled Deer Park spring water and B&O's signature, "all-you-can-eat" giant salad bowls to the final run's dining car, some of the Capitol Limited 's amenities from more prosperous times. A 31-year veteran dining car waiter on the last run of the Capitol Limited recalled to a Baltimore Sun reporter that, "all the vegetables we served were freshly cooked on board - no frozen or canned food at all."
Capitol Ltd pamphlet <Public Domain>
Hello Tom and all in
I'll have a pint of Holden's please.
Nice pics of Montréal Tom, brings back memories from my visits to the station there.
Tom - as for your tongue in cheek comments all I can say is it looks like Alaska has won out over this side of the pond - we can't compete (bet we've got more miles of railway and more steam locos in operating order than the state of Alaska though....). Enjoy your holiday planning whatever!
Greetings to MoPac (sorry not sure of your name) - thanks for the welcome and I must say I've enjoyed your pictures from the late 1970s and early 1980s. Although as you will see I'm UK based, my father lived in Tennessee in 79 and 80 so pics from that period bring back memories for me as we would visit with my mum during school holidays (giving away my age again!). Funny how pics kind of look ‘of the era' - just the way the slides from 50s and 60s that Mike often posts or links too look the period (great pics in that recent post Mike) - just through the style of the colour image (not just what's IN the picture).
Pete - thanks for your expansion on the Silver Princess - maybe I should give the ref for the 1963 Trains Illustrated I was reading that had the picture to Backtrack - what do you think? Is there an e-mail to send it in to?
On the subject of the Metropolitan Carriages I've seen the ones at the KWVR and they are interesting too - I see they are later (1920 ish) and are longer bogie carriages compared with the ‘Quad Art' set I was in. Like you say, Bluebell know how to do the business. It was a family trip with my father, brother, his two nippers (5 and 2) and the brides. 5 Year old was pretty keen to check out the sheds and take a good look at the running gear of some of the SR locos too.
Thanks for the links to the articles - War memorials interesting - the Euston one is still there (I had a good look at it last year) outside the modern station. Paddington one is good (the Jagger Statue? of the soldier is very impressive, it is outside the first class waiting room which I use if I take the night sleeper to Penzance.). I walk past the Derby one fairly often, did not know it was Lutyens, I'll take another look. Many memorial tablets from various parts of the old closed Derby works and goods yards have been collected together and mounted on the wall of Derby Station platform 1. They seem to be kept in good order by the staff their today - which is nice.
On the subject of the original TTC subway cars I think they were made by Metro Cammel in Birmingham - Rob may have mentioned this in his piece (sorry Rob if I've duplicated this, did not have time to read your interesting TTC post in full).
Eric - a long and happy retirement to you! Bluebell do not seem to have a Swedish loco now, but may once have done. However I think the Nene Valley Railway in Cambridgeshire do have Swedish stuff - so it may have been moved there.
Lars - Ahoy! Love that Vintage Rails cover!
Have a good weekend all!
DL
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, ‘tis the Larsman "in" for only a brief respite from reality! And you are precisely what the doctor orderAHd! <blush> I'll take a frosty mug of Schaefer it you please along with my "staple of life," a hero sanGwich of ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two extra large ‘n crunchy pickles from the barrel!
A round for the house - treats for the crittAHs ‘n a LARGE jar of PPF for Boris!
In reviewing the activities of late it surely appears that the bar is moving along quite nicely! Would like to simply say "Ahoy" to the gang: Shane - Pete - Rob - Chris - Mike - Eric ‘n Dan! Surely a fine sight to see youse guyz coming through with all sorts of "stuff" to keep our interest level "up."! I think our Bossman has said it so many times - we're NOT about quantity - it's quality that mattAHs - that PLUS timing. Yeah, timing - by NOT posting on top of one another then facing looooooooooooong gaps, we do ourselves a great service and it surely helps to keep us "up" on that page Cap'n Tom reminds us about!
Thanks Cap'n Tom for those great drumheads AND the Montreal train station "stuff"! What's going on regarding the private "thing" between you ‘n Pete??? Also, how in the world does he "rate" becoming the Senior Bar Chandler??? And trolleyMAN is MY assistant too??? All too much to handle for this bald headed squarehead! <grin> Moved Wolfman up a "notch" with the dippers, too! And what's this about Eric maybe getting into the Penthouse Suite! <arrrrggggghhhhh>
Wish I had time to comment directly to each of youse, but that's just not possible . . . let me just tell ya that the pix are great - comments top drawer ‘n Urls very DISTRACTING! <grin> Far too much for me to digest in one session - but I know they are there when I can get back.
Not sure about my next visit . . . but you gotta know I'll TRY to make it soonAH rathAH than latAH! <grin>
Time again for the Larsman Mobile ‘n another installment of book covAHs for the crew!
Kansas City Southern - Color Pictorial
New Haven Railroad
Chicago and North Western Passenger Service - The Postwar Years
New York Central - In Color
Nickel Plate Magazine - Feb 1957
Vintage Rails - May/June 1999
Ruth, I'll miss ya 'til the next time! <blush>
Until the next time!
Lars
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
$ 2.19 - I wish. It is $3.19; must have been the rope ends Boris put in the donuts this a.m.
Morning Ruth , your looking well concidering your true love freind has flown south for the winter or is it "wintah" at any rate I think i'll partake in a number three and a BK splash herer's a bit extra to keep the whistles wet for the rest of the afternoon.
Tom- Apparently my humour on fish night didn't go over so well oh well, it could be worse, at least we have H&H to help heal the wounds tehy create in the mud tank <uh oh >
I've never been to "Vans" station, but I hear you about Toronto. The great upper hall is almost always empty except at train time , now the Go train and subway concoarses and their never ending supply of fried food and beer (we did find that bar on the Go level remember) are always humming, and teeming with life. You gotta love the fact that streetcars and subway trains enter right into the basement of the Toronto union as well
The White Pass has always intrigued me as well, but to even get to the Yukon side of the operation takes some doing,some of the most beautiful but unforgiving regions in both our countries.
Mungo was a large cartoon ape that was on the CBC when I was a kid, the onl;y thing he ever said was MUNGO SMASH right before he broke something. I always forget that some of the little things like that from my youth never filter south of the boarder.
Thanks for the museum link I intend to peruse that this evening.I'm glad you like the new avatar - thing took a ton of time to load up for whatever reason. Kinda fits a one off oddball like me as it's the one and only MLW built RSD17,thankfully preserved in a museum though now it sports a chopped low nose.
Eric-As always loved the interior shots of the steam engine cabs. I've always been amazed by the amount of stuff that is crammed into a locomotive cab.Good news about getting your date. Soon you shall be free, digestivly anyway.
Chris=-Some more fine photo's my friend. Dying to see the shots of your triumphal return to the museum armed with miodern tech no less. Should be an extravaganza should I wag my tail and beg now The lads from the track gangs have quite the throwing arms don't they. Spike must have been sleeping on one of the barstools again before his little incident<uh oh>
Pink cobble stones I would have expected that from California but not MO Funny that you mention surfacing streetcar rails. Two years ago Brantford was doing some work down town here and puled out a grand union and about two miles of track that had been burried in 1940 when streetcar services ended here in the city, burried treasure to be sure.
Great photo's of that E and an interesting history, too bad one wasn't saved.
Mike-great to see you semi-regularly again keep up the good info sir
Shane-Thanks for the part three of the sleeper info good stuff. I hope that teh Amtrak strike dosen't happen, they already have too amny enemies in Washington,something like this could really cook their goose, which would be tragic for everyone.
416 is unique. they were built by the Ottawa Car Company in 1912.We've ahd a heck of a time with the restorations so far read expence. The interior vestibules were amde from Elm can you say cha-ching !All the interior pannelling is cherry wood as well. Bullet proof once installed but man the price will gag a healthy maggot to use a "Tomism" The car was also used as a house for about 40 years as well , so all teh aluminum wiring needs to go.WE have to amnufacture ourselves all four doors and the door hardware as they are long gone,but are well on their way to being finished. We figure in about a year and a half first full power trail runs will commence not bad concidering,once in service by 2010 we figure itwill ahve been 7 years of restoration. One things for sure ity will run on it's 100th birthday !
Reason "things" happen!
Law of Biomechanics:
The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the reach.
Friday has a nice "ring" to it - so why not order up a <light> or <traditional> breakfast - grab a mugga Joe ‘n check out The Mentor Village Bakery case while you're at it
Getting colder ‘round here with things rather gloomy on Thursday as it rained ‘n rained ‘n rained. Puts one in the "cabin fever" frame of mind! <uh oh>
Petrol still holding below the $3 level - last time I checked it was $2.90 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner."
Thursday - Jan 10th:
Page 166 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 9:19 AM: Okay - that's IT! YOU, Sir are permanently enrolled in Molly Throttlebottom's Adult Learning Centre ‘n Mud Wrestling Emporium for the King's English Course! A quote: change is good for the sole Are you saying that CHANGE is good for shoes OR fish <geesh> Well, it IS Fish ‘n Chips Nite here at "Our" Place!
change is good for the sole
I see your avatar has returned after an absence of a few days - changed it
Here's a link to the StL Museum of Transportation <Kirkwood, MO>
http://www.transportmuseumassociation.org/index.html
MUNGO SMASH is a new one on me! Say what <grin>
Many thanx for taking on the job of Assistant Manager! With the Larsman's "situation" these daze, he can use your most able assistance! Just keep H&H away from ME!!! <grrrrrrrr>
Sack o' coins ‘n visit most welcome!
Page 166 - Dan (DL-UK) at 11:45 AM: Is that a "new guy" or someone we vaguely remember Hmmmmmm, I seem to recall the "accent" - akin to that of Pete's, methinks!
Quite a link to become immersed in - I'll make a "deal" - you get caught up, ‘n I'll read every word! Thanx, really . . .
Round ‘n return visit appreciated!
Page 166 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 12:57 PM: Back with an inclusive, interesting ‘n informative Post <I3>!
Couldn't agree more about trip planning - especially with the "tools" available these daze. HOWEVER, disappoint looms ‘round the bend when the best of those plans gets sidetracked as mine did. <groan> Infinite amount of places to go, finite amount of time ‘n resources to accomplish those ideas.
Nice amplifying stuff regarding the KCS Flying Crow, et al . . .
Thanx for the visit, round ‘n quarters!
Page 166 - Chris (MoPacBarrettTunnel) at 3:04 PM: That's a mighty fine looking shot of the National Ltd - too bad it's Amtrak! With that MoPac "Eagle" herald it surely fooled me. A mixed consist of passenger cars - would love to see ‘em in color. Nicely done ‘n thanx!
Don't know if you are aware, but the agreement between Amtrak ‘n Union Pacific has provisions for a 3rd train per day <round trip> along the StL-KCity corridor. Been that way for decades when it was first written up. However, to reinstitute a mid-day train it takes MONEY ‘n the state subsidy surely isn't there, much less anything forthcoming from the "Feds." Sooooooooooooo . . . <groan> Actually doubt whether there's ridership - regardless of the "data." With years of PPP <figure it out!>, thanx to the seemingly never-ending "maintenance" on the route, the traveling few have pretty much given up on reliability insofar as OTP (on time performance) is concerned. <arrrrgggghhhh>
Alaska Yeah, I'm disappointed. It isn't as if I've not been there - as mentioned - spent 18 months there in 1959-60 ‘n we traveled by rail in 2006 from Anchorage to Denali to Fairbanks to Anchorage. But I'm just one of those guyz who NEVER gets enuf dome travel - NEVER! <grin>
Your mention of the
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Lots of wind and rain here today but we missed all of the bad stuff off to the south and west. Gas went down to $2.19/gal.
Pete stopped in with notes and comments
Rob was by with more Toronto history. The TTc 400 series is indeed a beautiful car. At least you saved one.
Eric was by with comments and pictures.
Mike stopped in with some NYC material. The Empire State Express shot was made at Breakneck (along the Hudson) - the photographer was about standing in the river to get the picture. Incidentally, the Boston Globe has its knickers in a twist about a possible ATK strike. They did mention, however, in the midst of everything else, that folks had been working w/o a contract for 8 yrs. It'll be interesting to see what happens both there and expecially in NY re commuter service, much of which operates on ATK trackage. Stay tuned, I guess...
Mopac was by with some most interesting vintage material. The National Limited is a train, IMHO that could have been (and should have been) saved. There was a truly eclectic collection of cars behind the pair of MP Es. I also enjoyed the steam pictures as well. MP steam is a never-ending study as the more you look, the more you find out about all kinds of changes, r/b's mechanical stuff, etc. The pair of early Es made for a nice picture as well.
OSP was by with a nice write-up on Montreal's Central Station.
Here's another installment relating to "cross-country" Pullmans. This one features the B&O's share of the service. It was nowhere as complicated as that operated by the PRR and the NYC.
Part III: Baltimore and Ohio
The Baltimore and Ohio operated transcontinental sleeping car service between Washington and Los Angeles. This service was coordinated between the B&O's "Capitol Limited" and the Santa Fe's "Chief." A 6 section/6 roomette/4 double bedroom car was used on this line in both directions.
B&O train 5 was the westbound "Capitol." It departed Washington at 5:50 p.m. and arrived at Chicago's Grand Central Station at 8:05 a.m. The sleeper was switched to Dearborn Station and added to the Chief which left at 1:30 p.m. with an 830 a.m. arrival in Los Angeles two days later.
Eastbound passengers left Los Angeles on the "Chief" at 12:30 p.m. and arrived at Dearborn Station at 11:30 a.m. two days later. The car was switched to Grand Central Station for a 4:30 p.m. departure on B&O Train 6, the eastbound "Capitol" which arrived at Washington at 8:55 a.m. the next morning.
Work safe
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Mopac Chris, wow! keep up the blue ink. Did you rename the UP Unipac yet?
Funny video clip, Big Boys On TV. And a bunch of commercials
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?p=r&user=pentrexvideos&page=2
Googled for news about the possible Amtrak strike at the end of January. Nothing new there but the Kansas City Star says: Remedies sought to unclog Missouri rail line and help Amtrak heal
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/439783.html
If a strike happens it will coincide with the 40th anniversary of the end of the Classic Trains Era.
There is no Classic Trains Era without the PRR and the NYC. I read about the merger in the Stars & Stripes newspaper, days after getting shelled in the Tet Offensive, which is why Allan always seems to remind me of Incoming.
Mike
Good Evening, Friends! Leon, a pitcher of porch-climbers, please. What? You did? Well, there's more where that came from, Mate - the band has been booked for the 23rd next month, so keep an eye on the blog for the "gory" OK? Say!!! Who threw the bulls-eye on the dart board - with Spike??? Good shot......
{Gently plucks the 'pine from the board} Sshhhhh - it's okay little {ouch!} buddy. Nap next to me while I type, there's a good lad. Time to dive right in:Cap'n Tom - picking up on something you mentioned earlier, while it's true I'm very familiar with the MOT and all the exhibits, the last time I was there was before they started the Mopac RS-3 restoration - about 3 years ago. I'm making plans to finally return in the near future {with my new 3-gig camera in tow}, so I'll fully accept the "expert" title then; my pending visit will be my "re-certification," if you will. I've got to admit - those Ocean cars {the expatriate Brits} are growing on me; when I first saw them I thought "LRC-wannabe," but now, especially in that wonderful livery, they look just fine to me. How do they ride, I wonder?Pete - Well, I've always been a big fan of colorful locomotives, and the "classic" British rail systems certainly qualified!! Blue, green, red, fancy lettering jobs, perhaps some tasteful gilding here and there - yeah, that gets my attention! Glad you like the photos, Mate. Actually Pete, in looking at them cosely again, I didn't realize how lucky we were to see those cars - take a good look at the first boxcar just behind the tanker. Notice how much smaller it is, compared to it's companions. For me though, it's underframe was a dead giveaway. I did some spot-checking this morning, and it turns out that that particular MoW boxcar was one of the last surviving "Eagle Merchandise" boxcars!!!! Those cars have a fascinating history; built in the early 1950's upon the stripped frames of old wood/composite cars originally delivered by ACF in the 1920's. The all-steel rebuilds kept the compact dimensions of the originals, and lasted only a few short years in merchandise service; after the service expired in the mid '50's, the cars were retained for company use, although a small group was placed in the general-sevice pool. The general-service ones were the first to go, and the company cars thinned out through the 60's and '70's. By the time of my pic, I'd say that there were less than 10 still on the books, out of a fleet of nearly 500. Not bad for a 10-year-old kid, with a Polaroid Instamatic, no? Super snow-shot of the MOT, BTW - makes that UP rotary look right t'home!!!Rob - Pup.Seriously though - glad you liked my modest effort. Future plans call for some shots from the 100th-Anniversary bash for the Kirkwood station I attended with my late Dad - got some fair shots of Frisco 1552 "storming the Hill" among other goodies - stay tuned..... Your interesting info on the TCR jogged loose yet another memory from that summer of '78 - the Kirkwood DOT was having a hell of a time keeping up with the street repairs {the three consecutive winters of '77-79 were the worst on record to that date}, and in more than a few places around the city {Clay Avenue leaps to mind}, the old Muni streetcar rails were clearly visible, still intact!!! And the centers were still paved with pink cobblestones, which came from none other than local quarries served by the original St. Louis, Iron Mountain & Southern!!
Eric - Now you tell me? TEASING!!! You know us Night-Loons, always into "something," eh? That U30 was actually pressed into service due to a serious power-shortage; it always ran as a B-unit {for obvious reasons}, but only for about 3 weeks or so. N. Little Rock didn't have all the cab components they needed, so they simply removed the whole structure, slapped on temporary cladding to seal the hood, and let her loose. I'll have to check, but it's quite possible that the 3319 was one of the GE's given an EMD cab, when it was finally repaired. Love the cab shots you've been posting, Mate - and your conjecture about the Santa Fe shot of the fireman-side seatbox with the pipes along the floor was spot-on; those pipes were steam-feeds, purposely routed to provide ad-hoc "radiant heat!"Since we're on the subject, tonight's Rampage will focus on my beloved MoP - kicking off logically enough:
And, with all due respect to #635 at the MOT, my all-time favorite Iron Mountain engine was "Old Molly" #4000; seen here on, you guessed it, Kirkwood Hill in 1941 {can you imagine this beast squeezing through the Barrett tunnels? Oh, for a time-machine........}:
Another view from roughly the same time-frame shows a more-orthodox Kirkwood Hill helper; a 1720-class heavy 2-10-2 {look carefully at the tender's rear truck, and you'll see the rods for the booster engine!}:
Here's one for Eric - a shot of a crummy assigned to Jeff City, circa 1980:This next one I love, because I saw this same engine many, many times on The Hill; it retained the paint scheme and hybrid herald until it was retired {albeit with i
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Hi Leon, I know, I am early tonight! That gives me plenty of time for my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris! Ice cold Keith's, please.
Tomorrow morning I will be happy i could go to bed early tonight! Did finally get a date for my surgery, January 25.
Chris – You better be careful when you get here during after-hours. A shakedown run with the ICE, that makes sense. We started the test runs with the X2000 in August 1989, 13 months before it entered revenue service.It was very busy 13 months! Thanks for the Kirkwood information! Interesting photo of that “headless” U30c! I guess it was in multiple with one or several other locos. Probably used for switching. CM3 – Hope you had a great day in the rain and mud today! You are right, “The Flying Crow” was obviously a very “complicated” train! Or trains. Tom – A night in the Penthouse Suite with that brunette? Wow, did you find her? Thanks for the Montreal’s Central Station article! As we discussed a number of months ago, we never made it to the Central Station with the X2000 while in Montreal. It looks like a nice station. Nice photo of the VIA observation dome car! Rob – Thanks for the info on the S37 sweeper! So it was built for that purpose. Four man crew. I guess that was what it took to operate it. I must say that Toronto has a very interesting history when it comes to streetcars and interurbans! Thanks for the round!DL – Good to see you again, Sir! Thanks for the link to the Bluebell Railway! I thought they used to have a steam locomotive from Sweden, but I could not find anything that verified that. Do you know anything about it? Pete – Post #3,333 is coming up pretty soon. I am curious to see if Tom really found that brunette from Hooters. Thanks for the photo from the Museum of Transportation! Looks different with snow on the ground. I guess the other photo is from Jeff City?
Santa Fe, Class 3450, 4-6-4. Pomona, CA.
Same locomotive, the fireman's side. At least he could keep his feet warm!
Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad's JS 8419.
Good evening again Leon , I think another Keith's would be most wonderfull and here's a bit o cash for a round for Chris and the rest of the late night pub crawlers. As promised here's part 2 of the pre-history of the TTC.
THE PRE HISTORY OF THE TTC PART 2
THE TORONTO CIVIC RAILWAY 1911-1921
Because of the refusal by the TRC to expand into the new regions of the city that were outside of it's original charter,the city felt something had to be done to promote developement in it's newly annexed areas.The Toronto Civic Railway was created in 1911 to achieve this, and lines were constructed on St Clair,Lansdowne,and Danforth Avenues and on Gerrard and Bloor streets.There was a fare of two cents cahrged with six tickets for ten cents ( cheaper than the five cent six for fifteen that the TRC was charging )and transfer privilages were also allowed between casr on the Lansdowne and St Clair routes ( the only ones of the company that actually touched each other ).No tranfer arrangements were made with connecting lines of the TRC.
The Civic Lines did not utilize turning loops on any lines so all their cars and equipment were double ended.The Civic ran unabated until 1921, when it ws melded into the TTC .Today all teh St Clair and Lansdowne routes and the Danforth are still run as connected TTC lines, Bloor was converted to a subway in the 1960's and the surface lines were removed.The gerrard trackage was pulled up and replaced by trolley buses in the 1970's and is now a diesel bus route. the Gerrard and Danforth carbarns are still used as bus barns today.The St Clair barns have been greatly increased in size and are still streetcar barns.
Toronto Civic #55 in full TCR reagalia at our museum. Car #2 in our museum collection.She currently awaits electrical rebuild,but at one point was one of the main runners in the museum's daily service. Two of her sisters are also at the msueum both run but both were heavily modified into work equipment by the TTC and have been left in the work car set up.
rail grinder W28 formerly Toronto Civic # 57
THE TORONTO SUBURBAN RR
The TSR, which operated radial ( interurban lines ) out of Toronto,( to Guelph and all parts in between ) provided transportation over some in city routes as well.These services ran from the junction area of Dundas and Keele streets to the western and northern city limits and along Davenport road ending at Bathhurst street.
After the TTC operations began in 1921, the TSR continued to operate these services separte of the TTC as well as their interurban runs north and west.The city lines were run in trust by the TSR until they were finally brought into the TTC fold in 1923. The TSR was also a McKenzie and Mann road like the TRC and once the Canadian Northern went under they fell to the control of the CNR as one of it's electric lines.The services weer out of business by 1931. today the only part of the TSR still in daily use is part of the TTC's Harbourfront extention. The only part of the TSR's interurban lines to Guelph still running is the mainline at our Museum.
THE TORONTO AND YORK RADIAL RAILWAYS
The T.Y.R.R also operatedseveral radial lines from Toronto amongst these were separate fare services offered to residents of Toronto.These services ran along Kingston road from Queen street to Victoria Park Avenue,Lakeshore road from the Humber river to Roncessvalles Ave and the North Yonge railway above Woodlawn ave.Thes lines all began in 1912 and continued out of town as radials into what would eventually become the northern and western suburbs of Toronto.
The T&Y lines that were in the city limits were purcahased by the city in 1920 and handed over to the TTC on it's formation in 1921. all remain in servcie except the Yonge street line which was converted to the TTC's first subway in 1954. After a period of operation by the Ontario Hydro Elelctric Power commison until 1927 they were then sold to the TTC. the Lakeshore line was the first retired but for the stretch that makes up the exhibition grounds loop . The last to go was the North Yonge portion to Richmond hill which lasted until 1947 and then and remains a deisel bus route.
Late 40's shot of the TTC 400 series interurban car used exclusivly on the ex T&Y lines
The 416 today undergoing complete to servcie restoration at the museum teh only one of these twelve beautifull double ended cars still existing.
enjoy
Rob.
Good evening Leon , another keith's from the "free" stash if you will ( now the prize is metted out I'll buy again from now on )Any fish n chips left oh extra mushy peas for Boris he's developed a taste for them as long as a lot of mustard is added Best it's his digestive tract not sure anything could mess it up.
CM3 Shane- Oh I'd love to see pictures of S37 as built I hope you can find them
Dan-Nice to see you back , hopefully bright eyed and bushy-tailed ( no Boris I don't need you to go out and catch some rabbits for the sausage press )Interesting Link thanks for sharing it mate
Pete-Nice shot of the Mentis, looking at it makes me think that it is one of the old IC cars that they converted and repainted a good looker though We're supposed to have a sloppy night here lots of wind 70+ mph ( we've had two days of that ) warm temps and rain mixed with slush by the sounds of it just awfull weather.
There are alot of examples of pieces of railway equipment that has been saved thanks to it's being used as work equipment once they were deemed obsolete in thier original guises.In fact we have many such examples at our museum. in some cases we put them back to passenger car set up others we have left in their as -converted state. More variety that way.
Chris-Interesting pic from the year of my birth Neat to see what was new when it was new.
Tom-Not to bad a day here today. it's kept pretty steady. We may keep our most posted travelled spot for a bit yet.Nice to read and see the Montreal Statuion piece again. I still think I like Toronto's Union better, now that I have had first hand experiance with both. always nice to see photo's of the equipment at the platform too.
Hi Tom and all
FERGIE Looking forward to see photos of your new "steamer". If asked "Is that a new loco" reply "No I have had it ages" and hope.
CHRIS Great to see you in. I think the red on the magazine cover as come out a lot deeper than it was, the Duchess which is being re streamlined and should be finished soon, is having the paint scheme copied from an original LMS panel so will be accurate. It will be great to see photos of her when she is done.
Yes I think the more you learn about locomotives on foreign railways the more you get to appreciate them. I know a guy in England who was a fireman on BR just can't get enough of the large American steamers especially the Big -Boys. I think it helped in the UK that some of the early main line diesel locomotives had an American look about them and model American diesels were very popular from a British model train maker.
Many thanks for those great photos from 1978 and 1980.It is great when a trip starts well like seeing that bay window caboose at the grade crossing. The Frisco equipment looks in clean condition. It is good to see those ex works cars from Sedalia shops what a shame the works were to close soon after your photos. Enjoyed the photos from Kirkwood museum from nearly 30 years ago now.
ERIC Having seen the prize, I will try to help you reach the 3,333th post.
Many thanks for the link to the UP museum in Council Bluffs it is not too far from here.
I think the DD40 AX is in the same position at the museum although I think there may have been something in front of the it that as moved, I could not remember being able to take the photo from where I did before but I could be wrong.
Great locomotive cab photos.
ALLAN From the photos I have seen the LMS Streamliners were not in the best condition paint wise after the war until they were de-streamlined, I think they were in plain black. I too am looking forward to see Duchess and Hamilton when she is completed. I have heard that when she if finished she is going to be along side the A4 Mallard in York museum, with both locomotives looking as they were in the late 1930s it should be quite a sight.
Glad you enjoyed the photos; it was a great day with Tom at the Museum of Transport in Kirkwood.
ROB I am not surprised the Work Equipment is so popular on the days that feature them. It is really great that the examples of work equipment was saved, often they have a great history as they were converted from early vehicles. In the UK many old cars, which have been saved and put back into their former glory, owe their existence to being used for Department use after their normal service was over.
It has settled down to rain and fairly cold here again. I was listening to the Internet radio on a football (soccer) match from England and the wind was blowing so hard the goalkeeper took a goal kick, the wind caught it and it went out for a corner. The one thing I noticed about the weather in the UK was the increase of the wind there.
Who built those G subway cars made in England do you know.
A bigger basement sounds a great idea and many thanks for the S37 info.
Photo from Kirkwood Museum on Tom and my visit
DL Happy New Year and great to see you in the bar.
I bet it was a great time at the Bluebell in those vintage Metropolitan line carriages, hauled by a locomotive from the same period. I have been in some that run on the Keighly & Worth Valley Railway on special occasions. As you say great photos in that link.
Afternoon, All!!Ruth, I'll have my usual bacon-double cheeseburger, fries, and a Michelob draught, please. Taking a multi-tasking lunch break! I do wish the weather here would make up it's mind - like our Cap'n, I want some SNOW!!!!!!Right - down to business:Cap'n Tom - yeah, I tried to be quiet, but I didn't realize what a klutz Boris is! Put the damages on me tab, if you would? Don't get me started with the penguins; I've had that vid for years - classic!!! Sorry to hear your jaunt to the Land of the Midnight Sun has been postponed; I've long had a desire to get to that corner of the globe myself. I'd probably ride the cruise trains the whole time, though - either that, or hang out on the White Pass & Yukon!! Loving the pics you put up, especially the Ocean pics - seeing a genuine Budd obs still in daily service warms the heart, you know? Rob - happy to be of service, and thanks for the tips! I'll kow better, next time. The Cap'n has been bringing me up to speed with all the "security critters," so there should be no problems in the future.A friendly wave to DL/Dan!! {change "Welcome" to "Hello, Mate!!"}Shane - glad you like the SLSF stuff - I've got a small quantity of it, but not nearly enough. More goodies will be coming in the future though; that much I can promise! As always, you have interesting info on the passenger trains - it's obvious I'm not the only "road-rat" around here!!
Now then, after posting the Kirkwood vignette, I did some spot-research, and came across this:It's a 1971 pic of Amtrak #40, the National Limited. What's interesting about the pic is the construction going on in the lower right of the shot. The land is being re-graded in preparation for turning the tract back into "greenspace" {in this case, the lawn of the then-new Municipal Hall}. The "third main" and remaining team tracks had already been cut back {to the east side of Kirkwood Road/Lindbergh, the main drag in the pic}, and the clock was still ticking for what was left. I have dim recollection of The National behind Jenk's blue E's, so this find was a real treat for me.My last bit for this post {much more on the night shift} is on the silly side - you know the old joke "Want to lose 20 pounds of ugly fat quick? Cut your head off!" Well, my beloved MoP actually did someting similar to one of their U30c's!!
Until next - Salut!!!!
Rainy 'n chilly here in mid-continent USA where I surely wish the precip was in form of SNOW - lots 'n lots of it! <grin>
Good to see visits by Rob - Dan (DL-UK) 'n CM3 Shane (2nd time today!) . . . appreciate the support Gents!
Kinda <blah>, so thought you'd enjoy a "pick us up" in the form of something along the lines of Classic Trains - a REAL train operating railroad station!
Railroad Stations - Terminals & Depots Number Three - Montreal's Central Station
<A form of this initially appeared on Page 370 of the Original Thread on Jul 5th, 2006>
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Material NOT substantiated.Central Station (Montreal) Gare Centrale is the primary railway station in Montreal. It is most commonly known by its French name, however the title is officially bilingual and is also frequently referred to by its English name Central Station. The station is owned by CN and is situated in the heart of downtown Montreal at 895 De La Gauchetière St. W. (45°30#8242;0.30#8243;N, 73°33#8242;59.50#8243;W), in the borough of Ville-Marie. With the closure of Windsor Station, Gare Centrale is the main passenger railway hub in Montreal. Embarqument area
History Gare Centrale sits above and next to the old Canadian Northern Railway's now-demolished Tunnel Terminal. CNR plans for terminal consolidation At the end of the 1920s, the newly formed Canadian National Railways struggled with disparate Montréal terminals (Bonaventure station, Tunnel Terminal, Moreau Street Station, and McGill Street) and sought to consolidate them. The solution chosen was to take advantage of the Mount-Royal tunnel and bring all western trains through the tunnel to a big electrified central station, which would then allow the development of air-rights, exactly like for Grand Central Terminal in New York City. Construction started at the end of the 1920s, but was halted during the Great Depression. Construction resumed during World War II and the new station finally opened on July 14, 1943 as the first of a series of large-scale urban redevelopment projects undertaken by CNR and the federal government in downtown Montreal. The opening of a 'central' station was part of a consolidation project undertaken by CNR since 1929 with the enactment of the Canadian National Montreal Terminals Act, 1929 by Parliament; this saw the closure of former temporary stations operated by CNR predecessors Grand Trunk (Bonaventure Station) and Canadian Northern. Gare Centrale was an important CN passenger station from 1943 until the creation of VIA Rail in 1978. Following VIA's full absorption of CP's passenger trains in 1979, intercity rail traffic from Windsor Station was consolidated at Gare Centrale. Intercity transport VIA Rail runs trains from Gare Centrale along the Windsor-Québec corridor to Toronto, Ottawa, and Quebec City, as well as long-distance services to Saguenay, Senneterre, Gaspé, and Halifax. Amtrak offers daily service to New York City. Preceding station . . . . . . . . VIA Rail Lines . . . . . . Following station Dorval . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Toronto - Montréal . . . . . . . . . . . . Terminus Dorval . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ottawa - Montréal. . . . . . . . . . . . . Terminus Terminus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Montréal - Québec . . . . . . . . . . . . Saint-Lambert Terminus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Montréal - Halifax. . . . . . . . . . . . . Saint-Lambert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ocean Terminus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Montréal - Gaspé . . . . . . . . . . . . .Saint-Lambert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Chaleur . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terminus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Montréal - Jonquière. . . . . . . . . . . Anhuntsic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Saguenay . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terminus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Montréal - Senneterre. . . . . . . . . . Anhuntsic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Abitibi . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Amtrak Lines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Saint-Lambert . . . . . . . . . . . . New York - Montréal . . . . . . . . . . . Terminus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Adirondack . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Commuter rail Gare Centrale also serves passengers using Montreal's commuter rail service known as AMT. The station is a hub for the Deux-Montagnes and Mont-Saint-Hilaire lines. Gare Centrale is in Fare Zone 1. It is one of the two downtown terminals for Montreal commuter trains, the other being Lucien L'Allier
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Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. To paraphrase Hemingway, “It is well and truly raining here today,” which is why we got to spend some time outside. Temp is in the upper 30s so it’s not at all bad as long as you keep moving.
Rob was by with comments and pichers. Somewhere I think I have a photo of that sweeper when it was in Boston. Hmmm...we must see where it might be.
Lars visited with another fine set of book covers. For those who have not read it, Doughty’s New Haven book (one of several) is a good one as it gets into car design and use, other historical items and some first hand experiences as well.
Pete – Pretty CN office car on the back of that train.
Fergie – New power and you blame the other shift for your downfall? I’m waiting for a New Haven GP9 which should be here sooner than later.
Mopac visited with some reminiscences and some fine Frisco fotos. I especially enjoyed the MP MOW shots as well as the picture of SR&N 908 which is surrounded by some most interesting equipment. Thanks for sharing!
DL stopped by – Good to hear from you. Also good to see that Allan is with us.
OSP – Remember planning is half of any travel ideas. I always just liked having a fistful of tickets with my name on them and realizing that we were going be underway soon. Thanks for the drumheads. Alouette is a good one – there is a picture of the drumhead itself on the rear car (buffet-parlor-obs) in Steam, Steel and Limiteds. I dug that book out about 10 days ago after not having looked at it in a long time – well, I’ve shot several evenings rereading it.
Eric – The “Flying Crow” did operate to Port Arthur. The confusing part about all of this is that the KCS used the “Flying Crow” name on trains 5 and 6 and on trains 15 and 16. The latter numbers ran to Port Arthur. It wasn’t much as the consist says “Chair cars: between Kansas City and Port Arthur.” The “Southern Belle” also handled cars to and from Port Arthur and Kansas City. I can see we’ll have to do something on this as it is getting complicated.
The SP also served Port Arthur, but with freight trains only (1950). Passengers could ride the bus between Beaumont and Port Arthur.
Happy New Year.
I'll have a pint of Harvey's Bitter and here's enough for a round for the house. Back from the Xmas and New year vacations which involved a fair amount of driving round the country.
Was able at least to pay a family visit to the superb Bluebell Railway on Boxing Day (Pete has posted pictures from there in the past). Haulage by Edwardian steam locos constructed pre 1914, and carried in recently restored Metropolitan Line carriages from a similar historical period. You'll see some great photographs here:
http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/bash/index.html
Had chance to read through the posts on this page, and obviously some interesting topics of conversation have been going on. I shall try and engage in a bit of catch up as and when
Pete: Just spotted this on my perusal back through the pages (there's plenty posted by you all I must say)
"If you get the chance to have a look at the December issue of ‘Backtrack' Magazine there are some photos of the BUDD built ‘Silver Princess" car near the back of the magazine."
I expect this is out of the shops now so I missed it, although I'll check - do you subscribe to that mag? Is that the car built for the LMS / BR by Budd that we discussed some time ago and wondered what had happened to it? Did the magazine give any clues / further information?
All the best to one and all!
DL - UK
A quick good morning Ruth just a coffee and a number three to go work calls Here's a sack of odd coin to be used towards rounds for this afternoon ( haven't had a chance to use the bath tub converter yet )
Tom-You know what they say change is good for the sole or $%@#& fine print or something to that nature. I'm sure that you will end up with a very enjoyable and relaxing trip.
I'm supprised that you didn't get yourself hired on by the CEO of the KCS sounds like you guys were almost two peas in a pod or at least a locomotive crew
So railroaded again as an assistant manager no less where have a heard that before at work and at play oh well I accept,small dipper in the large tub
I imagine that the transpo museum is likely more into preservation and cosmetic's than running, having running equipmnet that gives rides etc is a whole "nuther" level of insurance ( the kind that gives great pains tonether regions if you catch the meaning )
Yup the weather here can be changable although ny part of Southwestern Ontario Brantford to London has soem tornado history more so than the rest of the province. Mind you if I build another deeper basement I coulod get a much bigger layout space hmmmm oh Heather SMASH -THUMP apparently i've been out voted
Chris- Some great pictrues my lad really good stuff. Work equipment really is the cats um behind yah that's it One word of warning boris is not the most fleet of foot or dainty of footfall at any time of day but at night his ability to "MUNGO SMASH" is magnified on the order of the power of ten.
Bye the way H&H can likely "whip" up some cooling salve for the porcupine quills.
Eric-Somemore interesting cab shots thank-you sir S37 was purpose built as a snowsweeper. It was part of a class of ten bought from Russell snowplow in 1927 by Boston's transiit system. The whole lot were sold to NYC's Third AVE railway in the late 40's approx then they went on third habd to the TTC in 1953 where they remained until retirement in 1970-74.We recieved two of them in 1973 S37 and S40 .The 40 was for parts only it had had a misshap about ten years before.We pulled what we thought we needed off og it to keep S37 going and then sold it to herritage park in Edmontond they wanted it for it's trucks and motors,I imagine they scrapped the rest of the body.
The extra contoller you see in the photo is for teh sweep brooms there's one at each end teh pulley's and cranks for both wing plows also hang in the interior. In service they used a four man crew. Opertator . and conductor extra motorman for the sweepers and a crew chief that oversaw and operated the wings when needed.
A hitch in the giddy-up for our Alaska trip as what we had hoped to be our itinerary is now in question. Seems that the remote section of Denali Park where we had planned to stay doesn't open ‘til early June, right around when we HAVE to be back home. That just may force CHANGE <my favorite word>. Well, it's a BIG state ‘n other parts to visit - perhaps southeast (Juneau - Ketchikan). Stay tuned. <grin>
So it's Thursday at the Saloon by the Siding with freshly brewed coffee - freshly baked pastries ‘n breakfasts ready to order. Well
Wednesday - Jan 9th:
Page 165 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:25 AM: LOVED that link to the model RR. The major "thing" about that hobby is enjoying the creativity each of us comes up with in depicting that which is in one's "mind's eye," if you follow my drift. Just wonderful stuff . . .
Many thanx for the KCS material too - rounds ‘n quarters too! [tuip]
Page 166 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 8:23 AM: An earlier-than-usual-visit from our Manager, -BUT very much appreciated! Many thanx for those continuing book covers - something I'm sure the guyz really look forward to on a daily basis. You've "spoiled" us, Mate!
Hope all goes well ‘n not to worry ‘bout the bar. As you can see, the "nucleus" is healthy!
Thanx for the covers, round ‘n chat!
Page 166 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:34 AM ‘n 8:47 AM: Told my bride about the tornado warnings "blaring away" in your part of the world ‘n she really was surprised. Ontario is her "home" Province, although she really didn't live there very long as her RCAF father was posted pretty much everywhere but . . . including NATO assignments in Europe for years at a time. Anyway, it's a changing world - one can run, but one can't hide, eh Dig a DEEEEEEEEEEP basement, Mate! <grin>
Some time back I had the opportunity to attend a meeting where the CEO <owner?> of the Kansas City Southern was a guest. I found him to be a most engaging sort of guy with a profound sense of REALITY. Really enjoyed my chat with him. He was <at the time> most supportive of passenger rail and didn't "hedge" on what this country needs to do in order to provide that alternative travel mode. Sure wish we had more like him . . .
See my comments <below> regarding the Stl Museum of Transportation <Kirkwood, MO> . . . .
Appreciate the AM visit, chat ‘n fotos!
Page 166 - Pete (pwolfe) at 2:53 PM: Another long inclusive Post from our Bar Chandler ‘n good friend of the Bar by the Ballast! Kinda long time between customers, eh
That's a fine shot of the CN open-ended obs car at Kirkwood! Looks like "the one" we saw out in KCity on one of our trips to Union Station. Gonna have to compare your foto with mine . . . Nicely done!
For those wondering, the fotos were taken on Dec 18th when Pete ‘n I got together for our visit to the museum ‘n the next day at the TrainWreck Saloon.
Why oh why do I even bother with your "quizzes? <grin> Come up with some obscure lyrics ‘n then expect someone to "jump" all over ‘em. You, Sir, should be <tweeted> - consider yourself forewarned. <arrrrrrgggggghhhhhh>
Many thanx for another fine contribution, fotos AND the round!
Page 166 - Fergie (Fergmiester) at 3:01 PM: Yeah BLAME it on the LHS owner-operator- booooooo
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