Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, <huff puff> Thought I'd nevAH make it this mornin' <phew> Overslept a bit - too much fun ‘n "stuff" ovAH at Phil's! <grin> What a TERRIFIC game as my JINTS WON! They are on a roll ‘n I HOPE, HOPE, HOPE the "Boys" are on a downer - we NEED to beat ‘me BADLY!
Boris, I see you've been doing quite a job with the crittAHs - keep up the good work! A LARGE jar of PPF for YOU - 'n drinks on the Larsman - Ruth, set 'em up if you please! Ding the Gong, Boris!
Where was I Oh yeah, my deAH, a mugga steaming hot Joe with a double jolt to chase the "foggies" from my aging, bald BUT beautiful <grin> head!
LOVE the DoNut MOSHEEN from Da Bossman! Just the way it SHOULD look! <grin> Now, let's see what can be found for that Road Kill contrapSHUN . . . <uh oh> LOVE the wintAH scene with the B&M freght. Top drawer, mate!
What's THIS ME with a Scandinavian accent!! Are YOUSE kiddin' You want dat I shud get Guido after youse Oh yeah, right now he's munchin' on a SANG-WHICH . . . <NE US for . . . .>
Quite the turn out on Sunday from Da Boyz ‘n kinda rekindles some thoughts about not that long ago. Really a fine outpouring. Mike with a narrative!?!?!?!! I mean how LONG has it been!?!?!? . . . Allan with a round on HIS Monday but our Sunday! <oh this world of ours ) . . . Rob continues on with his support, WARPED is so much bettAH than "that thing" you came up with! <grin> Ya sure <in Scanadinavian accent> I'd like a trip to the northland for an outdoor hockey game. Ya sure <again> the coooooooooooooolder the bettAH! Yeah, right.
Shane ‘n Jan provided us with some mornin' "stuff" ‘n of course Da Bossman came through <what's new?> with all kinds of things to entertain the crew. So LIFE IS GOOD here at the Watering Hole by the Wayside!
All we need is JAN to establish that off-line email account so he can be included in our exchanges away from the bar - then he'd be ELIGIBLE for full-fledged "customership" - or something like that! NevAH quite understood what in the world your hang-up with off-line email is . . . your loss, mate. <puzzled>
Glad the Alaska "stuff" met with approval - here's some others from The Larsman Mobile . . . .
Alaska RR 1999 Poster
Alaska RR 1996 Poster
Alaska RR 1992 Poster
Alaska RR 1998 Print
Alaska RR 1994 Poster
Alaska RR route map
Ruth, I really miss our <ahem> admin work sessions! <blush>
G'day Gents!
Always a pleasure having Jan 'n CM3 Shane aboard to jump start the morning!
A mid-morning treat for the gang in the form of a foto of:
DoNut MoSheen - Greasel Doughcomotive, built by EMD (eat more donuts)
<idea from Sven - create a name from Rob - named by Mike>
<image from: donutmachines.net>
Now to find an image for our Roadkill 'n Sausage MoSheen! <ugh>
And THIS for our Classic Trains Theme!
Boston & Maine 4-8-2 with a mail train heading into Mechanicville, N.Y.
(Courtesy 'n Permission of Artist: Gilbert Bennett - www.xmission.com)
Boris, ring the bell - drinks on the house!
Enjoy!
Tom
Greetings Tom and fellow bar inhabitants...
May I please have dozen extra cold Guinness please...? I've got a bit of catching up to do here... Also, I've payed the bar bill and to my surprise there's plenty left... I thought that prohibition was long gone or have you all gone sober?? Anyhoo, I leave it to Da Larsman and Ruth to decide what to do with the leftovers on one of their many...eeerrmmm..."meetings"...
Tom, I know what you mean mate. Should it occur that I'd have to leave for sometime I'll let you all know in good time. On the other hand, you can turn around today without bumping into a computer somewhere, eh?
Da Larsman, Not to worry mate, you won't get rid of me that easy.... Great Alaskan theme!
Gunneral, I'll do my best to avoid that mate, thanks!
wanswheel, I am so very sorry mate...! Here....*digs in his bag*...take this single malt whisky as a peace offering....and HAPPY NEW YEAR mate!
trolleyboy, The more I think about it, I begin to wonder if our place has built their own dest...well, you know...*nudge...nudge*
See you around the corner chaps!
I hope that I haven't missed anyone.....
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. NOTE: No "splash" today as it has warmed up. It' supposed to get to around 60 degrees today which had turned our nice frozen ground to mud. Gas holds at $3.25/gal. Well, let's look through the stack of stuff.
Pete stopped by with comments and some nice steam photographs as well. You mentioned passenger train speeds on the NYC. Most of the time they did it through "steady" running rather than trying to set speed records between stations. You can see for yourself by digging up a timetable from the mid 50s for example and calculating some average speeds.
DD1 - Good to hear from you and I am glad to hear you're sorta up and around. Magazine prices - ouch - BTW, that material is not all that rare. Go to a local train show and you'll do much better. I can go into a rant about "collectors" and what they did to the sports memorabilia market as well as toy trains, etc., etc., but Boris is getting the chains out, so I'd better stop. I enjoyed the NYC electric piece that you sent along.
Rob was by with comments and observations.
Mike - Congratulations. The "Coast-to-Coaster" ad you posted is somewhat similar to the one in the ORG that I described in my post. The big difference is that the ad you posted had a photocut of GCT. I liked the picture of Winchell; My grandfather used to call him "Windy" Winchell. He was truly a piece of work (both of them, actually).
Eric - Thanks for the kind words and the "get out and get under" pictures of the braking system(s). I like that kind of stuff.
Jan Olov - Glad to see you back with us.
Allan - Good to hear from you as well, sir.
Lars - Da Boyz survived to play another day. The key to it, as always, is health and momentum. I understand (as we have discussed before) that all Giants fans wonder which Eli will show up. I suggest that there is also a question as to which Dallas team will show up. Well, Lars, that's why they play, right?
OSP has been by with some good 20th Century material. The book you posted is excellent. Also, the EP5 picture brought back some fine memories of riding behind those beasts back in the early 60s. A porcupine? Hmm....I have already placed a double secret dispatch to the heights of Majestic Mount Mentor about a possible "Secret weapon" for the next darts tournament. BTW, you had better clean the doors to Boris shed as them porky's'll eat anything.
Last, I came up with my own Yogism abt. contemporary railroading. "Some day they'll reminisce about today."
Work safe
<personal foto>
A smile to begin the week!
If you ask me a question I don't know, I'm not going to answer.
<A Yogi-ism!>
Comments from the Proprietor:
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Saturday - Jan 5th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 11:11 AM ‘n 11:48 AM: A two-fer from Da Manager down in warm<er> FLA!
Good to hear from you so soon after your 1st of the year . . . really like those Snow MoSheens - beasts fer sure, fer sure! Makes one wondAH if winter's can be like "that' again . . . Well, according to a recent foto sent to me by a good friend in Sackville, New Brunswick, Canada - they ARE. They were "swacked" with at least 5 feet of it, ‘n then got "hit" again with MORE. Now that's what I call WINTER!
Thought maybe you'd be trying to get up to Tampa Bay for ‘the game,' but then realized how much of a drive that would be from where you are. Best view is on the tube right there at home, eh Hope your Giants do well . . . However, the Super Bowl will "belong" to the AFC. Remember: you read it here! <grin>
Nice gesture via you from Phil. Please pass along our regards as well. Tell him that we have TOO MANY "browsers" ‘round here. So have him at least SAY SOMETHNG now ‘n then when he's checking us out. Good Gawd Gertie, how difficult is it to establish a "freebie" account ‘n at least have some fun with it Ain't asking for anything other than an every now ‘n then visit . . . It ALL helps!
I see you've figured out the ‘diet' for our new mascot, Spike the Porcupine! Tree bark, eh Whyyyyyyyyyyyy not! Our bent, twisted ‘n very over the top WARPED mind of trolleyRIDESTER Rob! <grin>
Eric (EricX2000) at 12:16 PM: Man oh man, that foto of the UP snow MoSheen appears to be a ‘carbon copy' of my own. We must've been standing in the same spot . . . I Posted it over on "my other Thread" yesterday.
Pete (pwolfe) at 12:34 PM: Even in Germany the "hourly" passenger train has been reduced to a one-car self-powered unit. Sign of the times, eh Nice shot though as are the other six! Love those larger steam MoSheens!
Convey our appreciation to your mate, Alan - SAME comments <above for Phil> apply to HIM! <double geesh>
Well my goodness it's been a fairly busy closed Sunday , Oh well all the "mail" in the slots will give Boris something to do in the morning.perhaps he can use some of Spikes spikes too pick all the bits of paper up.
Mike-Yes a good name and a well deserved prize to the master namer !
Tom-Okay guilty as charged I guess I am warped .( I still prefer to be refered to as linearly challenged ) Some great shots of the tube and some great shots of the preserved PCC A couple intersting movies for the emporium as well
So if it's going to be a TO-Montreal outdoor game I guarantee that I'll freeze my posterior off right next to you. perhaps we can drag Lars along as well,wouldn't that be a hoot
Pete-Allan spread some more magic pics again love the steam on the high iron even if it's European, it's steam and it's live good enough for me.Tell me exactly how you feel about the vandles, I'm not sure I was quite got it.
Jan-Nice to see you again,I'm glad that you liked the TTC article as always more to follow Glad we didn't completely drain your saving account as well.
Allan-Yup vandles just really P me off. A good spiking would be a good thing, alas Vlad the Impalor isn't employed by the Ontario Youth justice system and unfortunatly they have not been found ( doubt they will be unfortunatly ).
Lars-Some cool equipment shots , loved em ,nice to hear that you and Phil enjoyed the game in style Try not to get to sunburnt while your away,coarse if you do come home with a bad burn I'm sure that we can find someone to nurse you bach to health and it won't be H&H A few fine pictures from North North of the boarder as well .
Eric-Loved all the ICE shots, amazing how uncluttered the control cab is. I have heard from a couple ex-train and current train employees over on the Trains forum, that the nice desk top type controls aren't all that well liked by the crews, most prefer the old control stand types, apparently CN and UP and soem of teh others are starting to order new locmotives with control stands again ( it is cheaper than the desktop ) but money savings aside apparently the egonomics are better on long shifts than the desk tops.
1326 is a beaut ,but realistically it's just as nice that she's preserved and makes one fine sattic display as well. We've changes focus the last couple of years, at one point it was lets get everything running , now we are taking the tack that , we have a remarkable collection of preserved history whats wrong with having a good proportion of the collection as static but cosmetically restored equipment.We are a museum ,and cosmetic restorations are not as expensive,things can always be made runable latter on as funds are available. still the 12 staples and ten once in a while runners are not all that bad.
Rob
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the crew please Leon.
Lars. Great to see you on board from the Key`s! Was really missing your Lars Mobile selections mate, nice varied Alaska RR covers and snowplough pics you posted, Tom will love those! Hope it`s getting warmer for you down there now?
Rob. Looking forward to your next lot of TTC articles, enjoyed all your trolley pics here and on the other thread, hope they have caught those vandals there now, totally mindless MORONS in my opinion, they could do with a good "spikeing" by Spike and a lot more as well!
Eric. Thanks for your website address, have been on and really enjoyed all the info, much more comprehensive than that Train`s book! Thanks for verifying that date of that pic of X2000 in Chigago, and for all the great pics you`ve posted! Hang in there, the date of your op is fast approaching now, stay well!
CM3. Nice info on the NYC, always liked the NYC steamlined steam loco`s and pics of the 20th Century Ltd.
Ron. Nice to hear you are feeling a bit better now, nice crop of pics from you and the very interesting info on the AM103. Those old magazine prices are really amazing! Hope things improve for your sons business venture from now on.
Pete. Well remember seeing that pic of the King George and the HST taken at Paddington, a real classic like the St Pancras one. It will be great to see a Stanier Pacific in the Coronation Scot streamlining again I prefer the LMS red colour to the blue one, thanks for that link to the UK streamliners! A nice crop of photo`s from Alan, some of the one`s he took in the Hartz mountains are very familier as we used to go there once a year for a month`s compulsory ski training at a place called Usseln near Winterberg.
Fergie. Great pic of the steam loco on your mess RR, nice looker, careful of that Tsunami sound rocking the boat mate! Rug up and stay warm.
Chris. Like you i`ve picked up a lot of different English phrases in my travels around the globe, especially in Australia and New Zealand, where they have a total disregard for pronouncing the vowels properly. How much did that drum kit that was destroyed on the U tube clip COST mate?
Mike. Congratulations on winning the Do-nut machine contest, really cool name you picked!
Jan. Nice to see you back on board, don`t burn too much midnight oil mate!
Tom. I totally agree with all your comments on the situation in the old country, that was the main reason we migrated in 1969, as the old song goes "Thing`s are`nt what they used to be" so I voted with the feet! Caught up with all your posts now, great Alaska RR pics, model RR covers, Classic Train Books #1 and NYC 20th Century Ltd info and pics which fitted in with Shanes post as well, underground RR pics and selection of pics at Mentor Theatre. That DVD on Canada by Rail sounds great, will have to conduct a search for it over here, got a five disc set for Xmas called The Vanishing Age of Steam , have only had time to play two of them so far! Hope you`ve GOT SNOW!
See ya, Allan
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers waitin' for the bar to open!
Preparing this at Phil's home as we await the "big game" on the "big screen" on this Sunday in the keys!
Did my "good deed" by redirecting a few to the proper forums . . . getting a bit routine to see TOY or MODEL trains posts from guys on our forum . . . what is that about one "can't fix . . . ." <grin> Actually it's more like "not taking the time" . . . dontchathink
Not a bad Saturday at the bar with some fine movie selections from Da Bossman - really like those Bourne flicks. NevAH saw that first one though. A movie from a play - should be interesting. There's been a bunch of "OK corral" movies over the years. Doc Holliday was one of my favorite characters - I think Val Kilmer "did him" the BEST!
Also a nice spate of pix from Cap'n Tom ‘n Pete ‘n Eric! Nice way to keep our Saturdays rollin' along!
A GREAT catch-up from Jan in Scotland! NevAH figured you bailed out on us - but we've missed your participation ‘round here. All those "freebies" didn't hurt a thing, though . . .
By the way, Phil sez "Hi ‘n thanks" for the kind woIds. Sez he just may "do that" . . . .
Ok, really just wanted to drop off some "stuff," then skedaddle . . . .
Alaska RR herald
Alaska RR at Mt. McKinley(mousepad)
Alaska RR 2003 print
Alaska RR 2004 print
Alaska RR 2006 print
Ok - that's it for awhile . . . LET'S GO JINTS!
Until the next time!
Lars
Greetings Tom and gentlemen....
First of all my most sincere and heartfelt apologies for my slightly longer than expected AWOL from our place. But do to all the work that we had before and around Christmas and New Year, there was a lack of decent sleep. I feel that I can take part now as per usual as I feel well rested and relaxed. So, how about get down to business right away, eh?
Before that though, I hope that you all had a great New Year and a just as great start on 2008. I hope that this year will be much better for you all!
Gunneral 01-01-2008, 12:24 AM: Happy New Year mate!
trolleyboy 01-01-2008, 2:05 AM: Happy New Year mate! Not to worry. I left a blank check, so it should cover all the costs at the bar...
Fergmiester 01-01-2008, 4:51 AM: Happy New Year mate!
Tom 01-01-2008, 3:01 PM: Happy New Year mate! To be honest the work did get us ALL down, 12 hours shift every single night exept two....they were just 10 hours. Don't you just LOVE the old CN paint scheme....??
MopacBarrettTunnel 01-01-2008, 9:39 PM: Happy New Year mate! Not to worry about the figures at the bar mate, we all get carried away during Christmas and New Year Holidays. H*ck, they only comes around once a year....we need to let our guard sometimes...:lol: Pleased to meet you btw!
Tom 01-01-2008, 11:17 PM: I see that we have three birthday's coming up in january...maybe put them all together and make a BIG one? On the other hand, could we or the bar handle that, this soon after New Year?
DD1 01-01-2008, 11:35 PM: Happy New Year mate! I'm really sorry to hear about your situation and you being unable to celibrate it. Get well soon and I'll keep your bar tap topped up until you're recovered...
MopacBarrettTunnel 01-02-2008, 8:27 AM: Great pics mate! Really enjoyed the first and the last of the set.
coalminer3 01-02-2008, 2:36 PM: Happy New Year mate!
Sven 01-02-2008, 5:41 PM: Happy New Year mate! I'm sorry to see that you leave us and us Tom say hope that you'll reconsider but respect your decision. I do hope that you'll find the time to visit now and again to help us work on our Gevalia stash. All the best for 2008!
Tom 01-02-2008, 5:54 PM: I second that!
pwolfe 01-02-2008, 7:54 PM: Happy New Year mate!
Tom 01-02-2008, 8:42 PM: I LOVE those old ads! Today's agencies should learn from them!
trolleyboy 01-02-2008, 9:09 PM: Great post mate, a good read indeed! Enjoyed the pics!
pwolfe 01-02-2008, 11:45 PM: My New Year wasn't too bad thanks, I hope that yours went down well too.
Gunneral 01-03-2008, 1:55 AM: Anything to please us all mate...I have to admit that I have soft spot for those Cab Forwards....
EricX2000 01-03-2008, 6:24 AM: Happy New Year mate! Anytime mate! Great pic as always!
Tom 01-03-2008, 4:17 PM: Great selection of books mate, I'll have one of each of the last four thanks...
DD1 01-03-2008, 5:04 PM: A repeat is always welcome, especially if it's good pics!
MopacBarrettTunnel 01-04-2008, 8:23 AM: Great pics, keep 'em coming mate!
coalminer3 01-04-2008, 3:16 PM: A very imformative post!
Tom 01-04-2008, 9:00 PM: Aaah, the 20th Century Limited! I'm still reading my Steam, Steel & Limiteds, and all I can say is, D*RN! I wish that it was a way to travel back in time....
Tom 01-04-2008, 10:16 PM: I wish that I could paint like that!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a ham sandwich would be great. An ice cold Keith's to drink, please.
I had to stop by again to see what is going on. Not too much at this late hour, but still some interesting photos to check!
Tom – A bunch of interesting photos! From the Tube in London to a PCC in Kansas City! The San Diego trolley reminds me that I promised someone to look for my photos from San Diego.Good movies at the Emporium again! I haven’t seen Outride the Devil but would like to. Includes the gunfight at OK Corral in Tombstone! Never heard about the Bourne Identity but it seems like a good one too.
First day in revenue service, 02/01/93. Stopped in Baltimore.
Eric
ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!
at "Our" Place!
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . January 6th thru 12th: Outride the Devil (2005) Starring: Kit Hussey - and - The Bourne Identity (2002) Starring: Matt Damon, Franka Potente, Chris Cooper, Clive Owen & Brian Cox. SHORT: The Three Stooges - Idle Roomers (1944).
Outride the Devil (2005)
PLOT SUMMARY: Outride the Devil was filmed at the Creative Arts Theatre in Arlington, Texas. The play presents highlights from the last fourteen years of Doc Holliday's life and culminates with a reenactment of the gunfight at the OK Corral in Tombstone, Arizona.
Outride the Devil was filmed at the Creative Arts Theatre in Arlington, Texas. The play presents highlights from the last fourteen years of Doc Holliday's life and culminates with a reenactment of the gunfight at the OK Corral in Tombstone, Arizona.
<from: amazon.com>
The Bourne Identity (2002)
PLOT SUMMARY: Freely adapted from Robert Ludlum's 1980 bestseller, The Bourne Identity starts fast and never slows down. The twisting plot revs up in Zurich, where amnesiac CIA assassin Jason Bourne (Matt Damon), with no memory of his name, profession, or recent activities, recruits a penniless German traveler (Run Lola Run's Franka Potente) to assist in solving the puzzle of his missing identity. While his CIA superior (Chris Cooper) dispatches assassins to kill Bourne and thus cover up his failed mission, Bourne exercises his lethal training to leave a trail of bodies from Switzerland to Paris. Director Doug Liman (Go) infuses Ludlum's intricate plotting with a maverick's eye for character detail, matching breathtaking action with the humorous, thrill-seeking chemistry of Damon and Potente. Previously made as a 1988 TV movie starring Richard Chamberlain, The Bourne Identity benefits from the sharp talent of rising stars, offering intelligent, crowd-pleasing excitement from start to finish. --Jeff Shannon
Freely adapted from Robert Ludlum's 1980 bestseller, The Bourne Identity starts fast and never slows down. The twisting plot revs up in Zurich, where amnesiac CIA assassin Jason Bourne (Matt Damon), with no memory of his name, profession, or recent activities, recruits a penniless German traveler (Run Lola Run's Franka Potente) to assist in solving the puzzle of his missing identity. While his CIA superior (Chris Cooper) dispatches assassins to kill Bourne and thus cover up his failed mission, Bourne exercises his lethal training to leave a trail of bodies from Switzerland to Paris. Director Doug Liman (Go) infuses Ludlum's intricate plotting with a maverick's eye for character detail, matching breathtaking action with the humorous, thrill-seeking chemistry of Damon and Potente. Previously made as a 1988 TV movie starring Richard Chamberlain, The Bourne Identity benefits from the sharp talent of rising stars, offering intelligent, crowd-pleasing excitement from start to finish. --Jeff Shannon
SHORT: The Three Stooges - Idle Roomers (1944)
PLOT SUMMARY: The Stooges are bellhops at the Hotel Snazzy Plaza, where a vaudeville couple, Mr. and Mrs. Leander, are staying. They bring with them a carnival attraction called Lupe the Wolf Man. The beast is tame, unless it hears music, which makes him go berserk. The Stooges don't know this, until Curly plays the trombone and the Wolf Man chases the boys. They soon jump into an elevator which is occupied by (who else?) Lupe the Wolf Man, who blows the elevator into the sky.
The Stooges are bellhops at the Hotel Snazzy Plaza, where a vaudeville couple, Mr. and Mrs. Leander, are staying. They bring with them a carnival attraction called Lupe the Wolf Man. The beast is tame, unless it hears music, which makes him go berserk. The Stooges don't know this, until Curly plays the trombone and the Wolf Man chases the boys. They soon jump into an elevator which is occupied by (who else?) Lupe the Wolf Man, who blows the elevator into the sky.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the weekend! Tom
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
Really nice to see some activity 'round here today with Lars (twice) - Eric (twice) 'n Pete swingin' by!
Something to exercise the 'visuals' on this ENCORE 'n Foto Posting Saturday!
The Tube - London (Public Domain - Wikipedia.com)
Tube Trains - large \'n small - (foto credit: Chris McKenna - Wikipedia.com/GNU Free Documentation)
The San Diego trolley at downtown's America Plaza station (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)
2005 accident - The train on the right was approaching the station, and should have yielded. (foto credit: Garrett Fitzgerald - Public Domain)
Traction on display at KCity's Union Station <personal fotos>
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Hello again all present!
Cindy, I'm back. No, just a cup of coffee, please. Keep the change!
Pete – The chance we ever will see a Big Boy in steam again is pretty slim I guess. But we can always hope for the best! I have aso seen three of the saved ones. Very nice photos from Alan and Germany! Thank you, Alan! I especially like the photos of Class 44, 3 cyl. 2-10-0 and the “Kriegslok” Class 52, 2 cyl. 2-10-0. Class 52 is basically a lighter version oc Class 44.Lars – Best regards to Phil! I forgot to include that in my previous post. Since Chris mentioned the ICE train the other day I thought I should show some ICE1 photos.
Union Station, Washington D.C. 1993.
Altoona, Germany 1990.
The cab. ICE1 1990.
Traction motor.
Power car disc brakes.
Passenger car disc brakes.
ICE mug 1993.
Hi Tom and all.
A cup of your ‘famous' coffee please CINDY.
RON Glad you are feeling better and I hope your son has better luck with his vehicle real soon.
Many thanks for the history on the AM 103. Mention of ‘The Flying Hamburger' reminded me that in the 1930 the LNER railway of Britain was thinking of going with diesel for its express trains and they studied the Flying Hamburger, the chief engineer of the LNER said "I will design a steam locomotive that will be better". The locomotives he designed were the famous A4s, with a streamlined front similar to the Am103.
The prices wanted for those magazines are amazing.
I will be very interested on any information you can find on that interesting Pennsy 446.
Many thanks for the very interesting link to the NYC ‘Old Maude' and her sisters. It is great #6000 was saved. The change over from electrics to the steam locomotives at Harman New York was very well described, what a sight it must have been. Thanks for sharing.
ROB Glad you like the links to the Streamlined ‘Coronation'.
Unfortunately there is vandalism on preserved sites in the UK, it breaks my heart to read of the good work by volunteers ruined by people who, in my opinion, are a complete waste of space and the world would be a better place without them. I may be thick but I cannot understand how, when they are caught,why at the very least they are not made to pay for the damage done. It is a real shame that money put aside for restoration projects may have to be diverted to security.
ERIC Many thanks for that good looking tram in Norway and the UP rotary snowplow..
It is great that there are quite a few Big Boys saved, I have seen three of them so far. Although it would cost a great deal of money it would be wonderful to see one in steam hauling specials, I guess the only chance is if Hollywood wanted one for a film.
LARS Great to see you in the bar and can you thank PHIL for his greetings and pass on my regards.
At least SPIKE will be cheap to feed, only hope he does not find his way into the Penthouse Suite, those spikes could be very painful.
I agree the NH painting is great I have always loved the railways in the snow; it must be a memory from my early days. It was great to go to the Kirkwood museum with Tom and see the snow on the ground..
Many thanks for the photos of the Rotary Steam Snowplows, they certainly are impressive machines.
TOM Glad you liked the links, I am always worried about copyrights so if any doubt I put the link in.
Perhaps you can help me when they mention the Western Hemisphere, I guess it starts at the Greenwich Meriden in England but where does it ends, I guess Australia, but our Western would be their Eastern. OOH my brain hurts.
I did have a cheap fishing rod as a kid and used to go a little with a friend, but the only time I enjoyed fishing was on the canal where I could watch trains.
Still think it is best to steer clear of BORIS's inflatables.
I have some photos and notes from Alan taken in Germany in October 2007 on the narrow and standard
Good afternoon Captain Tom and gentlemen!!
Hello Cindy, I haven't seen you for a long time. I think you should work all Saturday evenings. It's kind of early, but I'll have that juicy Filet Mignon and mushrooms! Steak fries and a cold Keith's, please!
Just a brief stop to get something in my stomach and see how things are going here at "Our" Place.
Tom – I guess the downward spiral of the Amtrak facility in St. Louis can be blamed on certain politicians in Washington D.C. Lars – Honestly, do you really want to return to the winter? It is okay to check the snow from a safe distance (>1,000 miles), but being in the middle of it? Nice photos of the rotary snowplows! I guess both NP’s #10 and O.S.L.’s rotary plows had to be pushed by a few locomotives. Just like this one.
UP’s 900081, now on display at St. Louis Museum of Transportation.
I'll be back with some more photos.
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Cindy my sweet, set up again on Da Larsman! Boris, ring it!! <gong - baaaaaawong!> <uh oh>
Here's something to enjoy - a subject we've been having fun with over on Da Bossman's "other site."
WHICH BY THE WAY, any of YOUSE can participate it. C'mon - what's the PROBLEM???? HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED to attract customAHs IF we all don't TRY???? (Shane 'n Rob are pretty much the only guys who regularly swing by. It only takes ONE pix - I mean HOW HARD IS THAT?????) <bratsafratz - a woId from Da Bossman's lingo!>
Northern Pacific Rotary 10 steam snowplow (GNU Free Documentation/wikipedia.com)
A rotary snowplow from the Oregon Short Line on display at the Mid Continent Railway Museum in North Freedom, WI. (Photo: Sean Lamb - wikipedia.com/ShareAlike)
See y'all soon . . . GO JINTS!
Cindy my sweet, it can only be Saturday when the radiance around here is oh so brilliant! ‘tis the Larsman with a hankerin' for some strong Joe with a jolt if you please!
Boris, WHAT is THAT THING you are hugging <ouch> <ouch> <yikes> It's a PORCUPINE! <Good Grief Charlie Brown!> Dontchaknow NOT to hug those things Poor thing's eyes are about to "pop" at that . . . . <grin>
So now we've got "another mouth to feed" ‘round here. WHO in the world do we get to THANK for that, do you suppose??? Yeah, right - the trolleyBRAT, that's WHO! <grin> Just what this place needed . . . prickly little fella <gitchee gitchee> <ouch> <ouch> <damn!> We're still not quite "accepting" of those hulks women called H&H, now this . . <groan>
Ok Boris - feed the gang wudja please Awk the parrot gets the seeds, Frostbite the penguin the bucket of cubes, Tex the armadillo the saucer of brine, Artie the owl the field mouse <outback PLEASE!>, Juneau the Siberian husky the chew bone - and now - Spike the Porcupine gets the tree bark <didjaknow babies are called "Porcupettes"??> Anyway, <phew> feed ‘em ‘n that LARGE jar of PPF is YOURS! <triple phew>
Good to see youse since my last (Jan 3rd) goes to:
Shane (3rd) - Fergie (3rd x 2) - Rob (3rd x 2) - Pete (3rd) - Eric (4th) - Chris (4th) - Shane (4th) - Pete (4th) - Ron (4th) - Rob (5th) ‘n Eric (5th). <phew> Sorry ‘bout the missing "narrative," but these dayz, "we takes what we gets," huh
Of course, I MUST make mention of the ongoing contributions from Da Bossman to keep this joint rockin' along. From the DAILY morning summaries to the ‘special' submissions, it just goes on ‘n on. REALLY like those "features," especially the 20th Century Ltd. A terrific compliment to the "stuff" we've been treated to from Shane!
By the way, one FINE looking painting of the New Haven in the snow. Man, makes me want to return to the wintAH . . . <wellllllllllll, maybe NOT really!> Sure is a well-done piece of art work ‘n brings back some fine thoughts of days long gone . . .
So, the MoSheen has a name - good choice from the "committee." Some mighty fine entries along the way - NOT as many as I wudda thunk, but for those who participated, not bad. Hey! I LIKE my inflatable "by Boris!" <uh oh>
Should make mention that Phil has asked to convey his "greetings" to the gang at "Our" Place. NO, he isn't gonna join us - but does "peek in" from time to time. He's just not on-line that often <so he says!> but when it comes to mind, he remembers the fun we have ‘round here ‘n likes to check things out. Said we have a few guys who should be "bottled" for their energy ‘n innovativeness <did I spell that right?!?> Anyway, regards to all from Plattsburgh Phil!
I KNOW this is our Encore day along with photos - but I'm a bit behind the curve. So, let me see if I can get back later on. Ok??
And by the way, you ARE warped Rob, not only WARPED, but DISTORTED! <uh oh>
Best to all . . . and GO JINTS!
Saturday ‘n time to enjoy the weekend! Kick back with us as you enjoy our fresh coffee ‘n pastries! Hungry? Order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast!
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Friday - Jan 4th:
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:16 AM: Gotta tell ya that having you back in your "slot" really, really HELPS ‘round here. As our numbers of "regulars" has fallen off, the amount of TIME needed to keep this place "up on the Page" has increased for Moi. Not good. For example, we had about a 7 hour stretch on Friday during daylite where NO ONE came in . . . . Anyway, since we don't know when or if the Larsman will be able to resume his "regular" pattern - yours in the AM means a lot!
Petrol is at $2.98 (rounded) . . . expect them to continue "up" as the world prices go bezerk.
Gotta laff at the "smoke" test comment!
Most enjoyable piece on the NYC transcontinental sleeper service . . . keep ‘em coming. I know it's work - but it's the kinda stuff this place is geared up for!
Fast forward to 40 years from now, there's NO WAY that the reminiscing about TODAYs railroading will even come close to what we discuss regarding OUR memories of "back in the day." <bitter> <sweet>
Much appreciation for the fine Post, dialogue, quarters ‘n round! <noticed you didn't order a ‘splash' this time!>
Pete (Pwolfe) at 5:45 PM: Two fine links to peruse . . . noted that the "text" is copyrighted, leaving me to conjecture that the images may not be. Hmmmmm, would like to use ‘em for my magazine "series." I'll communicate with Mr. Pipes . . .
That write-up regarding the "longest <RR> tunnel in north America" is from other sources - not me. I doubted it just as soon as I read it . . . anyway, that particular tunnel beneath Mt. MacDonald is 9.1 miles long (14,723 metres) and is Canada's longest. For, in the States we have the Henderson Tunnel through the Ute Mountains (Colorado) at 9.8 miles (15,800 metres)
Two things I've never gotten "into" - fishing ‘n waiting for trains to pass by. Just not my "thing." Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching the trains passing - just am not "into" waiting ‘n waiting ‘n waiting . . . . <grin> Fishing Boring . . . if I need one I'll head for the market!
Not pleased with your "prize" for participating, eh <geesh> Just like Rob <see below> can't please ‘em all . . .
Thanx for the great conversation ‘n visit!
Ron (DD1) at 6:59 PM: Quite a bit of material from our part-time Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi!
FINALLY got the "skinny" on the AM-103 - and it took an inquiry from Chris to spring it loose - "Lawd" knows how many times others h
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, the time is right for an early breakfast! The usual, coffee and a Cheese Danish. No, make it two! A large OJ, spiked!
Congratulations Mike!!! You won the DoNut Machine Contest! The Greasel Doughcomotive!! I have to try one of those doughnuts. Tom – You are right about the poor condition of the platform in St. Louis. It was very similar last May to what can be seen in that photo from 1993. Nice book covers and I do have the first book, Amtrak! Hmm, RDC, how did that cover end up here? Hmm. Good choice!X2000 in that building in Chicago? It needed some maintenance work done (most likely some new brake pads). You are right, at least for the moment, the number of Swedes is decreasing. But.... Thanks for the 20th Century Limited info! Perfect complement to CM3’s NYC’s sleeper service info!Very nice picture of New Haven’s EP-5 running towards New York City! CM3 – I am doing fine, thank you! 15° F seems way too cold for me. $3.25 for gas? Wow, you can still get it for $2.89 here. Nice photos from Prince! Interesting observation car! It looks much better than the regular Amtrak cars!Thanks for part 2 of the Transcontinental sleeper service! Quite a few connections coast-to-coast with New York Central at the east end. Ron – A 22” monitor? That is a nice size! I have a 19” and that feels kind of small sometimes. Hope your son has been able to drive his truck again, or is it still raining? Nice photos! Including the thermos... sorry, the fireless locomotive on top! It looks kind of German including the name, Käthe, on the front. I like the last photo the most!Hope your back will get better soon!
Interesting to read about the German AM103 in Chile. Kind of surprised that it was a diesel-electric train. Most German diesels are diesel-hydraulic. I am not the guy in the picture of the cab of Class Ra locomotive. It’s a good friend of mine who sent some photos to me last fall and he is the engineer in that photo. The “steering wheel” is the controller (throttle). It has 27 notches. Lars – Cold weather in Florida? It will probably get a little bit warmer later in the spring. Maybe. I heard they are sending an icebreaker to the Keys! At least we are back in the 70’s here now. Good to hear from you! Fergie – Cold in your part of the world too! Interesting video you linked to! It seems like they were very, very close. Or does it look worse than it was? Very nice photo from MESS! It certainly would be nice to hear the sound of 3100. Bad news about the flatbed loaded with Keith’s! Or did it finally show up?Rob – 12+10 operational cars! I would say that is pretty good. More than I expected. One day I’ll make it to Toronto again and then the museum is a must. Thanks for the info on 1326! Wood frame? I can understand that it will take some rework to get it back in perfect condition.
Outside Trondheim, Norway.
Pete – I am feeling better again. thank you! When we visited St. Louis with the X2000 there was a number of private cars sitting on those four tracks that still excisted at Union Station. Benny Anderson 61? Just a kid. Big Boy! That is what it looked like to me. I kind of recognized some controls from the Big Boy in Pomona, CA. Chris – Thanks for the info on the “Mystery Buffalo”! The reason the ICE train was pulled by the two F69’s was that the electric equipment in them came from Siemens, who brought the ICE to the US. But the Siemens people didn’t like when visitors thought the F69 was part of the ICE train. The F69’s front is kind of streamlined, especially if you compare with the F40. The F69’s were painted in the same colors as the ICE. The only thing I found out about CRIP’s #621 was the it had its original ALCO engines replaced with two EM
Good evening Leon , I think a spiked coffee would be wonderfull to end the ole day with No Boris I don't want spike to put his tail in my coffee There are days that i wonder how and why , Doug and Nick spent sooo much time teaching Boris english
Tom-Yes I think I did rememnber that the first outdoor game in Edmonton was a CBC carried game only. Hopefully going forward that if they keep the outdoor game as a new years day tradition that they keep it available on both side of the boarder. Maybe next year could be a real, NHL old time rivalry game Toronto and Montreal , I can't think of two better natural enemies. that or the could have Ottawa play someone on the frozen surface of eh Rideau canal
I prefer to think of my mind as a little bent not twisted or warped thank-you. still nice to see "spike" in the ah flesh.
A great New York central piece sir I would ahve loved to have ridden that train back in the day
I'm not sure I like the participation prize either , and you think have a warped mind , that's just wrong Tom
Shane CM3- Wow , great info on the NYC dovetailed nicly with the good Sounds like your writting is as readable as mine ,<uh oh>I let Heather do the Christmas Card writing ,better that way , no one needs a translation key that way Thnaks for teh info on the Union railway as well ,certainly one of those interesting let little know lines ( to those outside of the area )
Eric- Actually 1326 is operational , it was however last rebuilt in 1956-57 by our museum staff adn then run regularlt throughout teh 70's and 80's. The car as built was a convertable in that the right side could be removed and it was used as a summer open car, the openning side was permanently sealed on it and it's sisters in 1915 after the banning of the open style cars.The car now needs a full underframe resto and it's electricals need reworking , therefore we only use it in servcie on really speacial occations. The last official run with the general public on board was in 2005 at the 50th aniversary. The car is all wood underframe included which makes it that much more difficult to work on. it will get a rebuild , and it certainly is one of the most important exhibits at the museum as it is car #1 in our collection
Pete-Those are a couple of intersting sites for the Brit steam thank-you. I really don't think the new years party would have been thant shocking for a man from the old country
Thanks for the outrage over the "tagging" of the Gloster cars It's a known fact that teh young offenders act here in Ontario would just slap their hands should they even be caught which is unfortunatly highly unlikely I'm not even sure if they would make Mom and Dad pay for a paint jobIt's annoying to think that we may have to hire round the clock security people to patrol the sight,something we certainly don't want to have to budget for, as that will put a real damper on the restoration and operational budgets.
Ron-Holy cow, I must be sitting on a fortune of magazines, those prices are nuts, most of my hard covered railroad books didn't cost that much to buy.I've not ever heard of that outfit , but from my experiance , anytime one mentions '"antique" as a descriptor for anything, it tends to drive the prices up to the atmospheric levels they have listed. Heck we sell old copies of rail magazines at the museum for a donation.
The read on the AM 103 was quite interesting as well
Chris-Ah so I came that close. It came to me yesterday when I was leafing throughmy copy of Greg Mac donnels Heartland. there was a shot of two Escanaba and Lake Erie Baldwins and the bodies were a dead ringer for your critter other than the EMD style rebuild cab that was on it.I was fairly certain after looking at the picture for a while that it was Either an FM or a Baldwin by the wierd tri-mount truck . Still good workout for the grey matter thank-you Loved today's pictures though I have to say a sneeze wasn't the first thing that came to mind when I look at the photo of the U-boatI'm glad that you like W4 but all I can say is that the other museum can't have it,I love running that car, the only drawback is that it still has cast iron wheels and since we use it infrequently you should see the sparks the wheels through when you first power her up.
Good day Tom and all at Our place. Jan has picked up the tab, but let me contribute to the fund.
Chris: You asked about the AM103 shovel nose diesel electric shown in the following picture.
A description follows: Note: This is a translation from the Spanish, but you should have no trouble understanding it.
With attention it was observed in Chile the successes achieved by the railroads German in the posteiores years world-wide the economic crisis, mainly in the creation of new fast services between the cities of greater importance. These services, taken care of by automotive of electrical diesel traction, managed to arrive at a high degree of efficiency after a period of test that covered the route Berlin - Hamburg as of 1930 what it even gave the name them of "Automotive Train Hamburg type". Finally in 1938 technicians could occur by settled the previous studies as much as financiers and he was ordered to the German industry represented in Chile by the Ferrostaal company the manufacture of 6 diesel trains automotive - electrical of two cars, on watch express, modified type Hamburg, each one for 124 passengers of first class. Two motors MAN of 600HP, each one had to print to the convoy a terminal velocity of 130 Km/h. The electrical part of traction came from company AEG. Finally, in 1946, the pens of the steam "Rosalino Pilo" loaded those red-silverplate wagons that soon had to be the pride of Chilean rails but Chile not yet left the fuel shortage, so that only with the beginning of the itinerary of summer 1947/48 beginning could be given the normal service fast Santiago - Port Montt and Santiago - Conception with three frequencies semalanes in winter and six in summer. Few years the technology lasted the life utility of the Arrow of the South Already had advanced, his reduced capacity of passengers resulted in a little economic operation and, apparent lack of spare parts, did necessary to resort more of once, to the inventive talent of the mantención personnel. From 1954 part of the services taken care of by the automotive ones of the Hamburg type they began to be taken care of by new trains dragged by locomotives disel of type 7.000 (16.000), while red-silverplated, the prides of the Chilean rail, were relegated to secondary services as some frequencies between Santiago and Talca. until the branch to Cartagena had the honor to see in and a other opportunity one of those trains that had caused sense of expectancy between the travelling public. More than one vesz repaired one of the automotive ones completely classified by the administration of the Railroads of the State like type AM-100, to give it again to the service. But everything was in vain, in 1960 decreed the aim of which proudly they had been called "Arrow of the South". Reason: lack of vital spare parts for his mantencion, and stop operational cost. In 1988, in a visit to the Arsenal San Eugene, were enormous drawers with a legend in German who nobody understood. After cleaning the drawers of a heavy accumulated earth layer during decades of storage, they appeared complete spare parts, motors, conditioned air commandos, equipment and more and more parts and pieces pertaining to already the exiled Arrows in South the Too much Afternoon. Dietrich Angerstein.
The AM103 was designed following principals developed in Germany by Man in 1930 which created the world's first streamlined train set. It ran between Berlin and Hamburg and was dubbed "the Hamburger Express".As you can see from the write-up, the AM103 wasn't a big success.
Pete: I'm still researching the trackless locomotives ie: Pennsy 446.. I saw one up close when I was very young, I think in Union City or Newark, N.J.
Tom: I came across the following, that might be of interest to you and others. Go to this site: http://alfredbarten.com/oldmaude0.html. It is the history of the first NYC T class engine in 1900. Very interesting, even for Pennsy fans.
For all: I came across this site for back issues of magazines. I can't believe the prices being asked. I'm sure many issues of "Trains" you and others already have. I've included samples of some of the issues and their prices.
http://www.antiqbook.com/bbox/nort/768a9697.shtml
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Trains - The Magazine of Railroading: September, 1963USA, Kalmbach. 1963, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, Features: Railroad News Photos; Steam News Photos; The Southern Pacific's 'Daylights', 4-8-4s; Have you looked at the Guide Recently? - a veteran train rider finds all is not lost; CN's island railroad on Prince Edward Island (PEI); Photo Section; The Baldwins of Hokkaido - 1 - Far from home, but built in USA - great article with photos; and more. Average wear. Sound copy. Good.CAD 99.95 = appr. US$ 99.3503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2359See more books from our catalog: Americana
Trains - The Magazine of Railroading: February 1963USA, Kalmbach. 1963, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, Features: The BIG story - how to fill empty cars - unless rates are revised, the industry may expire - long article; Winter over White Pass; America's Success Railroad; Railroad News Photos; Steam News Photos; Trains Go to Alaska - 1 - Super photos, text and map; Stuart Saunders and his money making machine - 4 years at the throttle of Norfold & Western (N&W) - long article with photos; and more. Unmarked with average wear. A sound copy. Good.CAD 99.95 = appr. US$ 99.3503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2355Railroad Magazine, February 1974 - Vol. 95, No. 4USA, Popular Publications. 1974. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, 64 pages. Features: Chihuahua & Pacific Roster; Anniversary of California Zephyr; Interesting Railfans No. 134 - William c. Kessel; Passenger Train Survey; San Francisco's Railroad; and more. Two small date stamps upon front cover. Average wear. Sound copy. Good.CAD 48.95 = appr. US$ 48.6563 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 768a9769See more books from our catalog: Magazine Back IssuesSee more books from our catalog: AmericanaTrains - The Magazine of Railroading: March 1977USA, Kalmbach. 1977, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Features: John W. Barriger III, 1899-1976; Derailment and accident photos; Steam's last chance - Pennsylvania Railroad gambles - and loses - on the steam-powered T1-class for passenger power after World War II; "Fireboy, know something? We don't fit through that bridge"; How to build a DL109 - great photos; Rio Grande's Monarch Branch Revisited - an exercise in the use of the 26-C automatic brake valve, F-3 retainers, and COBRA brake shoes; Colur centerfold of the Katy Pacific 401 (Lima 1920) in 1945; The Iris G, et al - much of Canadian Pacific's history has been written upon the water, perhaps most poignantly by this tug, its train-on-a-barge, and their ancestors; and more. Moderate wear. Unmarked. Quality copy. Good.CAD 49.95 = appr. US$ 49.6503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2321
Based on the above prices, we all have a fortune in back issue train magazines. I have some dating back to the 60's. This is a Canadian outfit. Maybe some of our Canadian friends know something about this site?
I'm feeling better and as a result, have been able to spend more time at the computer, as it's too cold to work in the shop, Maybe I'll try tomorrow to hit the shop.
My son started hauling dirt today and was able to move 3 loads (60 yards) until his ram pump quit. He replaced it and then his front tire blew out. A wasted day, but he will try again tomorrow. It has not been easy for him.
Eric: As I was browsing back through the posts, I came across a picture of you in the cab of a class Ra locomotive (09-30-2007). It shows a steering wheel. I don't understand the use of a steering wheel in a vehicle that is guided by steel rails. Can you explain?
A pint of Bathams XXX please RUTH.
ERIC Yes the photo is in the cab the Big-Boy at the Museum of Transport in Kirkwood.
I think there may be some UP slug units in use in Kansas City although I have yet to see one, but I did see one of the KCS locomotives painted in the old KCS passenger colours.
I find the locomotives on the local freight here are interesting as they are of the smaller classes some of which were from some of the Companies that UP took over like the Rio Grande I believe.
CHRIS So Rob nearly got it right, thanks for the link to the Buffalo story.
My friend back in England has recently been to Germany and he has sent me his photos, I will post some more tomorrow.
I believe Duchess 6233 is correct in that livery but very few can. I must explain a bit. The Duchess's or to give them their official name Princess Coronation, were introduced in 1938 streamlined. The first 5 6220-6224 were in Caledonian Blue with white stripes the next 5 in red with gold stripes.6229 changed numbers and name with 6220 Coronation to attend the New York World Fair and there is a lot of similarity with the GG1 livery I think.
A link to some magazine covers that show the Streamliners, although I think the red is too dark.
http://www.geocities.com/fredpipes/trains/coronation2.html
a link to 6229(6220) visit to New York.
http://www.geocities.com/fredpipes/trains/coronation3.html
The next 5 locos 6230 to 6234 were built without the streamline casing in LMS Maroon originally with a single chimney later a double chimney was fitted making a very handsome loco. A problem with drifting smoke led to the fitting of the smoke deflectors. The next batch 6235 to 6248 were streamlined, then the last of the original Duchesses 6249 to 6255 were not. After the war in 1946 the streamlining was removed. During the war they were painted black and for a short time afterwards in lined black. With the nationalization of British Railways in 1948 some Duchesses were painted in Caledonian Blue although it is said this paint scheme did not wear well, the locos were then all painted Brunswick Green. In the late 1950s some Duchesses were painted in maroon although the ones allocated to the Scottish shed at Polmadie, Glasgow stayed in Green and so did most of those allocated to Crewe.
There were two more Duchesses built in 1947 which was an Ivatt development of Stanier's original design
I will have a look at the Google map site thanks.
Great selection in the Random Rampage. Loved the GG1 in silver and the UP # 5037 certainly looks different. Even with CM3's clue I have no idea on the quiz. Thanks for sharing.
If I see anything out of the usual through here I will let you know.
Did not know you were a Who fan, great video of Mitch Mitchell.
CM3 Thanks for the kind words.
Many thanks for the history of the Union and the details on Chris's photos.
Enjoyed the Transcontinental sleeping car services that the NYC handed over in Chicago. I see the 20th Century Limited took about 3 hours shorter to get to Chicago then NYC 19.
Very good words of wisdom heard in the workshop.
TOM I think the Law of the Result applies to my computer, I think it just doesn't like me.
That sounds a really great DVD set you got for Christmas. Do you know how long that tunnel is mentioned in the first DVD.
Yes I noticed how close the US Southern and the UK Southern color is on their locomotives. The LNER done a poster which was a parody of the Southern one for the Flying Scotsman train, in sort of art deco style, with the driver of an LNER pacific so high up in the engine cab he is speaking to the youngster on the platform through a loudhailer.
Train Watching can be catching; during the bad weather here the bride took the bus to work and took great delight in telling me she had seen a locomotive in SP livery.
Many thanks for the Back in the Day # 9 on the NYC 20th Century Limited which ties in very well with CM3's post. A 60 MPH average over nearly 1,000 miles with steam power really is a great achievement
A bit o' news for our crew . . .
Winner of the DoNut Machine CONTEST is Mike (wanswheel) with Greasel Doughcomotive as the name for our DoNut MoSheen!
Many thanx to all who participated - you may pick up your miniature inflatable doll <by Boris> as our token of appreciation for your efforts! <grin> As for Mike, well you are welcome to ALL of those greased do-nut holes you can handle - anytime, all the time!
And yet ANOTHER mascot has arrived at the bar - this time from the warped mind of trolleyMAN Rob - a critter called Spike the Porcupine! <uh oh>
Drinks on Da Bossman! Boris - ring the ding . . .
Looks like the first Feast or Famine Day in 2008 here at the Tavern by the Tracks . . . so FEAST on this!
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Back in the Day
# Nine - The NYC Twentieth Century Limited
The 20th Century Limited was an express passenger train operated by the New York Central Railroad from 1902 to 1967, during which time it would become known as a "National Institution" and the "Most Famous Train in the World." In the year of its last run, The New York Times said that it "...was known to railroad buffs for 65 years as the world's greatest train." The train traveled between Grand Central Terminal in New York City and LaSalle Street Station in Chicago, Illinois along the railroad's famed "Water Level Route". The NYC inaugurated this train as direct competition to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited, both lines intended for upper class as well as business travelers between the two cities. Making few station stops along the way and as few breaks for water and coal as possible, trains on this route routinely could make the 960.7-mile journey in as little as 15 1/2 hours (but usually in 16 hours): about 60 mph.
Known for its style as well as for its speed, passengers walked to and from the train on a plush, crimson carpet which was rolled out in New York and Chicago and was specially designed for the 20th Century Limited; thus, the "red carpet treatment" was born. <from: wikipedia.com>
In 1938 the noted industrial designer, Henry Dreyfuss, was commissioned by the New York Central to design the streamlined train sets in Art Deco style, with the locomotive and passenger cars rendered in blues and grays (the colors of the New York Central). The streamlined sets were inaugurated on June 15, 1938. His design was extremely famous, and probably the most famous American passenger train of all time. All were destroyed and used as scrap metal. <from: wikipedia.com>
Missed any
#1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102
#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103
#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116
#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126
#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126
#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133
#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140
#8 The Broadway Ltd of the PRR . . . Page 148
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. A bit warmer this a.m. (18 degrees) and folks went back to school albeit on a 2-hour delay. The K9 Korps is enjoying the weather, we had to literally drag him into the house last night. Well, the butterfly burped and gas is now $3.25 this a.m. when I filled up on the way to work.
Lots of interesting posts since yesterday.
Pete was here with wide-ranging comments. Good to hear from you.
Eric - See my gasoline comments above - hope you are doing o.k.
Fergie stopped by twice with words and ‘pichers. Hijacked truck, indeed. The Greater Mentor Chamber of Commerce (Missing Loads Division) will hear of this.
Mopac sent along some more material and pictures. I knew it was a Buffalo, but, as I said, I couldn't enlarge the picture to "see" the logo. The Union Railroad was (and is) an interesting (although elusive) operation.
Sorting out the railroads around Pittsburgh was, until recently, kind of like trying to arrange a plate of spaghetti. So here's a little history of the Union.
In 1950, it operated between North Bessemer and "J" Tower where it split into several branches. The Union's Monongahela Southern Division had two parts; the Main Line between J Tower and Mifflin Jct. and the Clairton Branch which ran between Clairton Jct. and Wylie.
Steel and materials related to its manufacture was the reason for the Union's existence.
It connected with a variety of roads such as the P Company, P&LE, B&O, B&LE, P&WV, Montour, and the Unity Ry.
Most of these lines are pretty well known except for the Unity which operated approx 4 miles between Unity Jct. and Renton, PA. They had freight connections with the B&LE at Unity Jct. and with the PRR at Renton Jct.
Oh, we have more pictures.
C&O 4523, a r/p ex Pere Marquette E7. The cars are all C&O as well - a good choice, sir!
Then we have one of, IIRC, three silver-painted G motors. This scheme did not last long as it was impossible to keep clean.
I will have tor recuse myself from the quiz re RI 621. "Ugly Christine," indeed. Hint - she was "around" long before Stephen King.
The C&O 7300s frequented the Russell, KY area.
Oh, there's a NH DL109 at Readville. A few got the McGinnis paint - I remember them well.
OSP - Thanks for posting my pictures. Handwriting? Although naturally left-handed, my school system made everyone write right handed. Yes, Boris, there was punishment administered if we did not do so. That explains why the writing leans so bad. I learned to type (now there's a forgotten skill for the museum) at an early age and never looked back. I pounded out many a story on old Underwood uprights as a stringer for a newspaper when I was in high school (and later on as well). It made it quite easy to compose on the screen when the computers came into use in the workplace. In fact, most of my posts are done "on the fly." Anyway, I'll dig out my notes and provide a legible explanation.
Here are some more words of wisdom from mechanics I've worked with over the years - triggered by your machinery quotation.
"Jeez, it's not supposed to do that."
"Never seen it bend like that - ever."
And my all time favorite
"Let's run a smoke test and see what happens."
What follows is the second part of the transcontinental sleeper series we began awhile back. The first installment covered the PRR. Today we look at the NYC. Again this was put together from public timetables and ORG. Enjoy.
Part 2: New York Central
New York Central advertising copy in March, 1950 boasted about the railroad's "Coast -to-Coasters" which afforded passengers, "Five Scenic Routes Between New York and California."
The first of these Pullman lines operated via the NYC and the Santa Fe on the "20th Century Limited" and the "Chief." Westbound passengers had a choice of a 4 compartment/4 double bedroom/2 drawing room car or a 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car between New York and Los Angeles. Similar service was available eastbound.
The "20th Century" departed Grand Central at 6:00 p.m., with a 9:00 a.m. arrival at La Salle St Station, Chicago the next morning. The cars were switched from La Salle St. to Dearborn Station and added to the Chief which left at 1:30 p.m. with an 830 a.m. arrival in Los Angeles two days later.
Eastbound passengers left Los Angeles on the "Chief" at 12:30 p.m. and arrived at Dearborn Station at 11:30 a.m. two days later. The cars were switched to La Salle St. and the eastbound "Century" departed at 5:00 p.m. with a 9:30 a.m. arrival the next morning in New York.
NYC Train 19, the westbound "Lake Shore Limited," was a workhorse that handled through sleepers from New York and Boston to Chicago, set out Pullmans at Cleveland and Toledo, carried a car from Toronto to Cleveland (picked up at Buffalo), worked a Chesapeake and Ohio Pullman from Toledo to Chicago, and carried a westbound transcontinental Pullman from New York to Chicago, as well as a full complement of coaches and a diner.
Passengers wishing to travel to San Francisco on the "California Zephyr" boarded a 10 roomette/6 double bedroom Pullman on NYC 19 at 6:15 p.m. in New York. They arrived at LaSalle St. Station at 11:59 a.m. the next morning. The car was switched to Union Station where it departed on the CB&Q at 3:30 p.m. After a trip via the CB&Q, D&RGW and WP, arrival in San Francisco was ay 4:50 p.m. the second day out from Chicago.
NYC 22, the eastbound "Lake Shore Limited," handled New York-bound transcontinental Pullmans from several routes. On certain days 22 left Chicago with 10 Pullmans, coaches, a sleeper lounge and a diner. Train 22 left Chicago at 6:15 p.m. with an 11:59 a.m. next day arrival in New York.
Eastbound passengers on the "San Francisco Overland" departed San Francisco at 9:00 a.m. Pullman accommodations were in a 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car which arrived two days later at 1:00 p.m. at Northwestern Station in Chicago after traveling via the SP and C&NW. This car was switched to LaSalle St. where it was added to NYC 22 for the trip east.
NYC 22 also carried the eastbound 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car from the "California Zephyr" which departed San Francisco at 9:00 a.m. and pulled into Union Station, Chicago at 1:30 p.m. two days later. This car was switched to LaSalle St. to continue east on NYC 22.
Last, NYC 22 handled Los Angeles-New York sleeper which originated on the "Los Angeles Limited." This 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car left LA at 12:01 p.m. with a 2:00 p.m. arrival at Northwestern Station two days later. The car was then switched to LaSalle St. and left on NYC 22.
Westbound, NYC train 65, the "Advance Commodore Vanderbilt," carried the 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car which was handed off at Chicago to the "Los Angeles Limited." 65 left New York at 3:30 p.m. reaching LaSalle St. at 7:30 a.m. The car was switched to Northwestern Station for a 12:01 p.m. departure with a two day later arrival in Los Angeles at 10:40 a.m.
NYC 59, the "Chicagoan" handled transcontinental sleepers from New York to a pair of routes departing Chicago. This train departed New York at 11:00 p.m. with a 3:00 p.m. arrival the next afternoon in Chicago.
The train carried the westbound New York San Francisco 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car which ran on the "San Francisco Overland" west out of Chicago. The "Overland" left C&NW Station at 8:00 p.m. with a two-day later arrival in San Francisco at 6:50 p.m.
The "Chicagoan" also carried the 4 compartment/4 double bedroom/2 drawing room car which operated west of Chicago via the RI/SP "Golden State" Route. At least this car did not have to be switched in Chicago as the "Golden State" ran out of LaSalle St. The westbound "Golden State" left at 10:15 p.m. with an arrival at 5:15 p.m. (as always two days later) in Los Angeles.
The eastbound "Golden State" departed Los Angeles at 12:30 p.m. and arrived in Chicago (two days out) at 11:30 a.m. The 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car left Chicago an hour later on NYC 6, the "Fifth avenue Special" which arrived in New York at 11:59 a.m. the next day.
Reason "things" happen!
Law of the Result:
When you try to prove to someone that a machine won't work, it will.
The first Friday of 2008 is upon us - which of course all who worked <even some> of this shortened week, now have a weekend to look forward to!
Siddle up to the bar, draw a mugga Joe - grab a few pastries ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to kick start the day!
Time to REMIND a few to use the REFRESH feature on your browser BEFORE ‘n AFTER Posting . . . it's the ONLY way to ensure that you are seeing the MOST CURRENT INFO at the bar.
Name the DoNut Machine CONTEST underway!
<closes TODAY at NOON (CST)>
Lars . . . . GreeseMeister (27 Dec)
Sven . . . . The Halo Creator (27 Dec)
Pete . . . Holey-Moley (27 Dec)
Rob . . . . Track Greeser (27 Dec)
Mike . . . . Greasel Doughcomotive, built by EMD (eat more donuts) (29 Dec)
<Contest Participants may "vote" for any of the above by sending me an "offline" Email - NOT via the Forums pu-leeze!>
Reminder: Drinks are "on" Jan thru tomorrow . . .
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:47 AM: "They" say there's a first time for everything - did I hear you say you wanted a "splash"???? Really!! Now that's gotta be a FIRST! I KNEW we'd eventually CORRUPT you! <grin>
I did enjoy Mizzou winning their bowl game - happy about WVA too - just think the entire "thing" is outta whack. Don't know what in the world they were thinking with the "finalists" for this year's National Championship. Oh well, what do I know I wasn't asked . . . <grin>
Used to know a funny "potato" joke - but not baked. Hmmmmm, come Rendezvous III, I'll remember it!
With the early AM temps in the single digits latetly, Juneau has been one pulling sled dog. I mean he LOVES this stuff <recall that scene in Major League with the manager in the hospital listening to the ball game??>
Ron (DD1) at 11:04 AM: Another visit from our part-time Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi!
Down but not out - now that's a GOOD sign! Some fine fotos - perhaps more than we're accustomed to at one shot - but nice anyway! I NEVER did find the info I was looking for on that AM-103 . . . <groan>
Lars (LoveDomes) at 12:20 PM: Our Manager has returned! Good to hear from you again, Lars ‘n really appreciate your taking the time to hoist a couple with us!
Said it before ‘n will repeat it again - we've NEVER had a m
Evening, Gents!!!Leon, a pitcher of porch-climbers, please. Boris looks SO cute cuddling his "Spike," although I think I'm going to have a word with him later about "hugging" until one's eyes bulge out.....General note, All - things are getting mighty busy for me, so there might be times in the near future where I might "disappear" at odd times. My blog will keep all informed, if I can't leave word here directly - just a "heads-up" for future reference.So, shall we?Rob - well, since you got 95% of it anyway, Good Show!!!! Our "Mystery Buffalo" is indeed a Baldwin; Union Railroad DRS 6-6-1500m #617, to be precise. She was repowered at EMD in 1959, and had her nose chopped around 1970. She's very similar to the C&NW's "GP-6-6-1500" rebuilds, and the Katy's AS-16m rebuilds {which wound up on the C&NW}. The Buffalo's story {which is where I got the pic from} can be found here:
http://www.rmrrc.net/Newsletter/back_issues/February,%202003_newsletter_print_res.PDFGREAT photos; I'm especially taken with the 1904 flat motor W-4. Wouldn't it look purty, parked alongside Yakima Valley Transportation's line-car "A?"Pete - thankee kindly for the compliments!!! To date, the bulk of my overseas pics are of German subjects {my brother did two tours there; 1988-92, and 1999-2002}, but I'm not done "going abroad" just yet!! I'll take you up on your kind offer with an easy one to start off: is the Duchess's gorgeous "Tuscan-Red" {word-up, Cap'n!} garb original-issue, or was it applied post-retirement? As for your Jeff City exploits, I'll rely on you as my "down-the-line" eyes from now on - holler if you see any SP "patched" C44's, if you would? One thing I forgot to mention earlier - for fun, download Google Earth {or any other GPS-based program}, and use it to "trace" rail lines. You'd be surprised how many abandoned/original routes you can find with it - which I've done myself on our Sedalia Sub for many enjoyable hours. West-to-east, Gray's Summit, Pacific, Eureka, Glencoe, Kirkwood, and St. Louis proper all have traces of the original MoP main line. Just a happy suggestion, Mate.
Allan - happy to be of service!!! I've been having a blast with both rooting in my personal photo collection, and digging online goodies up. TONS of great material will be forthcoming, trust me. On a side note - I'm sure both you and Pete {along with our Cap'n, among many others} have noticed the way I lace my writings with "English mannerisms" {"Mate," "spot-on" "me poor head/brain" etc.}. This is my long-standing magpie-habit. As I entered adulthood - especially when I started to travel with the band - I developed the habit of picking up/falling into local dialect, mannerisms, and in most cases accents {which I've done in Kentucky, Tennessee, England, and Germany, among others}. It's my interpretation of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," if you will. Even though I'm a true Missouri native, my deepest lineage traces back to England, Scotland, and Ireland!! That, plus the fact that I've frequented various The Who and Cream forums for a good decade now ought to fill in the rest of the details. "Just shakin' the bushes er, roots, Boss!"Eric - well this particular Nocturnal Steward's brain must be fritzed up; I totally forgot about the ICE demo going on in the same time-frame. all I know is that I remember seeing the F69's pulling something lightweight down the west side of Kirkwood Hill!! Thanks for the link, BTW - I bookmarked it already, so I can savor at length and leisure........... And thanks for what you said in yesterday's post, too - plenty more where all you mentioned came from!!!Cap'n Tom - point made and taken, won't 'appen agan, Guv'nor!! As for the "transience" of forum members here, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. It happens all the time everywhere else, but you hit the crux of the matter in the fine compliment you paid to me about my MySpace thing: "it ain't braggin' if you can do "it," and YOU DID!" Same goes for posters here, and elsewhere - those who want to, will. As long as you have a "hard-core" you're good to go, and this place clearly has a hard-core element. Despite my efforts and enthusiasm, I won't consider myself hard-core until this time next year. Several sets of wonderful ads and book covers you've shared with us the last two days, Cap'n - I don't know where to start. For now I'll cop out without mentioning particulars - they're ALL good!!!! {And I'm lazy.}
Shane - no worries, Mate; the link above tells all about the Buffalo, I'll just note that your post is filed under "great minds think alike," and we'll move on. Don't let the workload overwhelm you, my Friend. This place is ideal for frequent breaks, so you know you've got at least one "pop-valve cluster" to lean on if need be..............DD1 - fine set of pics indeed!!! I'm most taken with the b&w shot of the AM-103; I k
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, it is time for my weekly Rumpsteak Café de Paris! The usual, yes.
Catching up a little bit more tonight. Should be all done by tomorrow.Chris – Interesting locomotive! Old, kind of strange asymmetrical trucks. I don’t recognize the logo. Looking forward to more info.Some very interesting pictures! A Genesis in PRR livery! That would be something else. And PRR G.5! Never seen a picture of one before. I am sure it did not win any design award.Very interesting paint scheme! Bet it was some kind of test of different kind of paint to see what kind best could stand the heat from the locomotive and the sun. The Swedish State Railways had one of their electrics painted in a number of different colors years ago for that purpose. Ron – Sorry to hear about your back problem. Arthritis of the spine doesn’t sound good at all. I have Arthritis in my hands and I think that is bad enough. Hope you get well, or at least pain free (without pain killers) soon. CM3 – I noticed that the gas price jumped to $2.99 today. Someone on TV said the price is expected to reach $4.00 in 5-6 weeks! Something to look forward to. Sven – Sad news! I can understand why, but it is still sad. Hopefully we will see you whenever you have some time. Tom – Some classic RR ads from yesteryear! I remember the top one, Florida East Coast, from an earlier post and it is still one of my favorites. Rob – Toronto Railway Company is a very interesting company. I read an article not long ago. But it did not mention anything about TRC building over 600 cars and work equipment in their own carbarns! Is Double Trucker #1326 operational? I have a feeling it is not but is awaiting full restoration. Pete – Thanks for the info on the cow and calf. I did not expect them to still be in service, but you never know. I think Engineer Tom is about to operate a Big Boy. I like that headlight switch in the ceiling! Allan – Part time retirement makes me long for my full time retirement next December! But it is nice not to have to work every weekday. Photo of X2000 at Union Station, Chicago, was probably taken June 26, 1993, when it was on static display. Roughly 3,500 people came to have a look at it.
X2000 in Chicago, June 1993. Eric
Still on catch up RUTH so keep the Bathams coming please.
CHRIS Many thanks for the great photos. I had not seen a photo of the G5 before or know very little about it. It looks like a terrible way to treat a GG1, a bit like Thompson's re-build of Gresleys first pacific for the LNER, Allan would know about this.
I think that Pennsy livery does wonders for the Amtrak Genesis unit. I read recently that the Freightliner company in the UK has ordered 30 Co-Co 3,700 HP GE Genesis locomotives, the locos will have a driving cab at each end as usual on BR. They will be the first mainline GE locomotives to run in the UK, although the EMD locomotives are very successful there.
Really enjoying the ‘green' loco quiz between Rob and you.
RON Real sorry to hear about the pain you are in with your back, try and stay in the warm.
Many thanks for the very interesting photos. From the London horse tram, domes streetcars and model subway cars. It would be good to know more about that Pennsylvania 446 vehicle.
ROB It is a real shame I Missed the Our Place New Year's party although some of the antics by H&H would probably be too much for a delicate soul as me.
Really sorry to read about that act of vandalism at the museum it makes one wonder what is in the mind of those creatures, as you say even if caught it is doubtful the punishment will fit the crime. At the very least them, or their parents should be made to pay for the cost of the re-paint.
Yes since we got those specially strengthened Army surplus barrels there is some of BORIS's Lager still about, but even the track gang are wary of trying it, so it seems I got back just in time.
Many thanks for the early days of the TTC in the Classic Juice, I see the introduction of the Lifeguards are mentioned and it always great to see No 327.
Thanks for the info on L&PS #8, I will have a look to see if I have a photo of the cars at Delson, it would be good to see a photo of #8's interior I bet it is the Pullman of the Streetcars.
As you say Copperkettle is the main Zeppelin pilot nowadays as H&H are now full time in the kitchen in-between their other pursuits. Yes if SPIKE gets to near to BORIS's ‘friends' it could be the end of a short but beautiful friendship.
CM3 Thanks for the info on the G5 as you say it must have been quite a sight to see one switching.
Many thanks for the ACL ads to sunny Florida and looking forward to the NYC transcontinental sleeper services.
SVEN I was sad to read you won't be able to come to the bar as often as you would like to. It has been great to have you along if only for a short while and AWK was getting very attached to you. I know and I am sure I speak for the regulars, when I say you will be very welcome to call in and see us anytime you can. Very Best Wishes for 2008.
ALLAN Thanks for the kind words. If I remember right, there was a similar scene at Paddington Station when the Great Western No 6000 King George V was the first steam to leave the station in preservation days when a HST set left Paddington alongside the ‘King', not quite the same as the Scotsman and the Deltic.
Tom and I had a great time at the Museum there were not many visitors at the time and I think locomotives look great in the snow.
ERIC Hope you are feeling better than the last few days.
It was good to have look at your X2000 web-site again. I see there is
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